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This card can execute homebrew on a mikro SD (TF card).

Is there a Chance to get run libfat for this card (to write a io-driver for it). A readonly driver would be useful too if there is no chance for write support.

I'm sure Date has not developed this card itself, it is maybe the same like any known card.

Has any I/O source been released?
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OOPMan wrote:

Has any I/O source been released?

In this case it would be easy. No but Hoebrew runs ...

I fear it is a complicate job with reverse engineering work. first dump card code with a homebrew and disassemble ...

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I'm sure Date has not developed this card itself, it is maybe the same like any known card.

Same here, i thinked too but somebody post a picture of the PCB :

http://www.imgplace.net/files/212/GnM-PCB1.jpg

As you can see the chipset is a Datel NDSAR, the same of Action Replay DS..

So the device is actually shipping now? Hmm...
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Let's see how long until we see a commercial ROM loader for it that magically appears from a completely unknown release group.

Lynx wrote:

So the device is actually shipping now? Hmm...

Yes, I have one. Nice part and cheap. video support is very fast and easy to use. But I'm missing FAT support ...

I just made an interesting discovery about the Games N Music card. It can be used as a passthrough device (to boot slot-2). Here's how:

Download the V1.23A upgrade for MK5 from neoflash. Included in the package is a file called MK5_PassMe.nds. Put this file on your microSD card, and run it with the Games N Music card and presto - instant passthrough!

KeithE wrote:

I just made an interesting discovery about the Games N Music card. It can be used as a passthrough device (to boot slot-2). Here's how:

Download the V1.23A upgrade for MK5 from neoflash. Included in the package is a file called MK5_PassMe.nds. Put this file on your microSD card, and run it with the Games N Music card and presto - instant passthrough!

cool, it works! also with the DS Linker card. maybe with any slot 1 device?

I think it can run any homebrew who don't need external file but there is a limitation of file size ( no real loader for rom$ h?h?.. ).
Homebrew card without DLDI support is dead : no multimedia, no emulators, no futur browser etc.. filesystem is the key.. ;o)

Well, if you really want DLDI support, you could always buy an extra and send it to Chishm. If he has time to play with it, I'm sure he would do his best to add it.
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Lynx wrote:

Well, if you really want DLDI support, you could always buy an extra and send it to Chishm. If he has time to play with it, I'm sure he would do his best to add it.

would be no problem. if chishm has time for this I will send him the card.

I have the card and multiple devices, I WOULD be willing to dump it and hand it off to a hacker or something BUT I can't find a dumper worth s***.

For the datel ds devices, dump the first 16 megabytes or so. What should actually happen, is that due to the way datel, and most other third parties design their devices, You will get the same megabyte repeated over the entire dump, save for the first megabyte. So, what you do, is you dump the card, you chop off the first megabyte, and you chop off the remaining 14, and you will have a complete dump of the firmware and all.

Also, chishm has a full rom dumper that will work for actually dumping the firmware of the game and music card, if he gets one on hand.

Lack of DLDI is the only thing stopping me getting on of these cards.
Could really expand the homebrew community.
Cheap & Easy with no flashing = more people willing to give it a go.
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Plus, Datel has the ability to make it into major retail stores which can also broaden the homebrew user base.
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any updates on the Games N' Music? Or should we abandon all hope and just buy an R4?

R4 is much better in moment. datel won't have real homebrew support wit DLDI or any other write access.

It's been a while since I did any proper DS coding, and with the Dev-Fr.org compo on it's way I figured it'd be as good a time as any to get back into the swing of things.

Since I last coded my "I finally got it saving, Thankyou Chishm for your DLDI!" Max Media Dock has decided to crap out on me. So I'm stuck with the Games'n'Music cart. (Boooo!)

So, um.. Yeah.
Any progress reports on DLDI -> Games'n'Music stuff, or should I just go ahead and make some silly non-load/saving minigames, or something?
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I emailed datel a while ago but no reply. It won't hurt to ask again but I doubt they will release I/O code. You could try running their launcher in an emulator and see what it tries to send to the hardware. I don't own a GnM card. Can you post the launcher somewhere or is it part of the firmware? I know MMD uses bootme.nds, does GnM run that file?

edit:

I fired off some more emails (to another address) and this time received quick replies:

Damon wrote:

We are a little busy at the moment but will compile the sources for the SD IO for you, it will not be until at least early next week though.

Sektor wrote:

I didn't expect a reply so quickly. Sounds good. Do you mind if I post your message on gbadev.org forum?

Damon wrote:

Of course you may, I want to help the dev scene as much as I can. It would be nice for someone to port ScummVM over to our device.

I know it's a delay but the Wii has squashed any time for anything else at the moment.

Sektor wrote:

Can you clarify what you meant by compiled SD IO sources? Will you release source or just a binary? A compiled DLDI driver would be great, source would be even better. If you release a DLDI driver, ScummVM should work without being recompiled, users could just patch it with the DLDI patch tool.

Damon wrote:

I guess we will have to give you the source and let one of you build it into a compatible lib.

I know this might be a little pain but I really don't have the time at the moment, sorry...

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Sektor wrote:

I emailed datel a while ago but no reply. It won't hurt to ask again but I doubt they will release I/O code. You could try running their launcher in an emulator and see what it tries to send to the hardware. I don't own a GnM card. Can you post the launcher somewhere or is it part of the firmware? I know MMD uses bootme.nds, does GnM run that file?

edit:

I fired off some more emails (to another address) and this time received quick replies:

Damon wrote:

We are a little busy at the moment but will compile the sources for the SD IO for you, it will not be until at least early next week though.

Sektor wrote:

I didn't expect a reply so quickly. Sounds good. Do you mind if I post your message on gbadev.org forum?

Damon wrote:

Of course you may, I want to help the dev scene as much as I can. It would be nice for someone to port ScummVM over to our device.

I know it's a delay but the Wii has squashed any time for anything else at the moment.

Sektor wrote:

Can you clarify what you meant by compiled SD IO sources? Will you release source or just a binary? A compiled DLDI driver would be great, source would be even better. If you release a DLDI driver, ScummVM should work without being recompiled, users could just patch it with the DLDI patch tool.

Damon wrote:

I guess we will have to give you the source and let one of you build it into a compatible lib.

I know this might be a little pain but I really don't have the time at the moment, sorry...

:O

So Datel doesn't have a stick up their collective ass? I guess I owe a lot of people a lot of money...

XD

Well, seeing is believing.. so don't start handing that money out just yet.. ;)
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Are Datel aware that April Fool is only for the first day of the month?

(Woohoo!)
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James: thats not very nice...

I have always been honest with you, haven't I?

As I said, we are all a bit busy around here at the moment, we will get something out for you all very soon.

Of course I could always wait until next April...(not really, Just a late April Fool)

Haha, good stuff, lazy, but good. ^_^

You've been honest, sure, but.. Where's the "GBA Homebrew, too!" already ;)

So..busy with Wii, eh! Hmm.. What could it be? (Any clues?)
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I'd like to see a USB Bluetooth receiver that can use the Wii Remote's accelerometers and pointer and translate them into USB HID analog joystick protocol like the Adaptoid does for the N64 controller that I test all my GBA games with. Or is that more of a Nyko thing than a Datel thing?
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Nice to see someone from datel taking an interest.

Damon: Can you tell my why my application (DSOrganize, http://www.dragonminded.com/?loc=ndsdev/DSOrganize) does not boot on MMD or PMP without being named bootme.nds?

(Hopefully the wii stuff is a homebrew device allowing wii access)
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damon wrote:

James: thats not very nice...

I have always been honest with you, haven't I?

As I said, we are all a bit busy around here at the moment, we will get something out for you all very soon.

Of course I could always wait until next April...(not really, Just a late April Fool)

Uh oh.. Damon.. I don't think you know what you have gotten yourself into yet.. :)

But, it's like the boy who cried wolf. It's not that we don't want to believe you, but Datel doesn't have a good track record for homebrew compatibility. We aren't saying you don't try.. Maybe just not hard enough?

I'd love to see good homebrew compatiblity as I think Datel has the ability to make it into large retailers giving homebrew the ability to reach a larger market that it might not otherwise have access to. But, it's all on Datel to allow the homebrew community that kind of access to it's hardware.
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When I first heard about Datel's homebrew capable devices I was excited that finally someone was gonna be more focused on homebrew than piracy, and that it was gonna be available at retail stores. Now of course, when someone asks what device they should get for homebrew we have to say "not Datel" and suggest something like Supercard or M3, who both distribute software for piracy on their website.

If the next Datel DS product were to focus on all homebrew compatibility, not just moonshell, and maybe also describe the concept of homebrew and some popular pieces of software on the box, this new device would be praised to the heavens ;)

tepples wrote:

I'd like to see a USB Bluetooth receiver that can use the Wii Remote's accelerometers and pointer and translate them into USB HID analog joystick protocol like the Adaptoid does for the N64 controller that I test all my GBA games with. Or is that more of a Nyko thing than a Datel thing?

That would be awesome. But GlovePIE does the job for now...

The problem with that idea is that homebrewers are an extremely small market when compared to pirates. The Games N Music could have been a great homebrew device if they would have just engineered it to be compatible, or allowed someone to make a DLDI driver for it. At that point, it will not be any worse of a choice than any other DLDI supported device. That is, if the DLDI driver works as expected.

Saying "BUY THIS, it's for homebrew" won't sell product. But, "BUY THIS, it plays music and movies" has a better shot. But, why not "BUY THIS, it plays music and movies.. oh.. and a hole crap load of free games you can download off the internet" would be even better.
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It's like selling a DVD burner for "you can use it to make DVDs of your home movies and stuff you find on YouTube" vs "you can use it to copy DVD movies".
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You've got a point lynx, but thats why I said explain the concept of homebrew rather than just say homebrew. (heck maybe datel can strike a deal with some people here for some screenshots on the back...)

HyperHacker wrote:

It's like selling a DVD burner for "you can use it to make DVDs of your home movies and stuff you find on YouTube" vs "you can use it to copy DVD movies".

(off topic)
How many impulsive buyers do you know that know how to rip and convert flv files off youtube? xD

When they ran the "Make a Game" compo, a while back, all winners got their games included in the "Games 'n' Music" package.
Unfortunately, they were dumped in a zip file on the included CD, instead of being pre-installed on the cart. If they were pre-installed, then people would've instantly figured out the whole Homebrew concept. Instead, it's left up to people to figure out themselves, which I think is a terrible shame.

In fact, whilst we're on the subject, it really wouldn't hurt to have a better menu system than the basic icons thing. Or if you're determined to stick with the icons, then at least have "Extra Info" pop up on the topscreen when an icon is clicked. Maybe let us design little Amiga style .info files with our homebrew, or something like that.
Maybe have a Homebrew Catalogue on the Datel site. One that gets frequently updated. And maybe a little bit of software, PC side, that can quietly sit in the background downloading new games/updates and then easily transfer them over to the cart when you want to play them. All neatly catagorised, and all that. That'd be nice.

But I'm just fussing for the heck of it. Quite frankly, the fact that I can nip into a store, buy a cart, and shove my games on it.. It's exactly the type of product we need. And it's more than enough for me. Just gotta get the DLDI going, and I'll be happy.
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(heck maybe datel can strike a deal with some people here for some screenshots on the back...)

Why do you think Datel's 'competition' was for? They asked us winners to state that we permit them to include the 'entry' in their card. ToD is included I think. (or was it for another 'classic game cart'...

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When they ran the "Make a Game" compo, a while back, all winners got their games included in the "Games 'n' Music" package.

I didn't get it, so not 'all' winners.
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Really? Why not?
I honestly thought it was 'all' of the winners..
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I have a directory listing of the original CD and TalesOfDagur.nds is there. The winners could pick $180 worth of prizes from the Datel store, GnM wasn't on the store at the time but some people requested it anyway and received it. I didn't know it was an option at the time.
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GnM wasn't available at the time, true, but by the time damon got round to sending the stuff out, it was available! ;)

I sent an email to him asking if there was a possibility of getting a GnM and he was kind enough to jumble my ?100 (for UK winners) order about a bit to include two of the things.

Luvly :)

Thanks again, Damon!
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Dood77 wrote:

How many impulsive buyers do you know that know how to rip and convert flv files off youtube? xD

I imagine it would include a program to do it automatically.

Has anyone even dumped this card?
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It really wasn't all my fault that it took so long for the prizes to go out...

I had to wait for people to send their final versions and some people wanted longer time to dev.

Then we had some stock issues after Xmas...

I will try and make it better next time, it was my first compo!.

As for why they went on a disc... this was due to some shops not wanting this game or that and it being easier to master a disc than keep reprogramming cards for people.

Also made it a little easier when we had to recall the product as one of the games was not for the correct age group the product was set at.

DragonMinded: As for you DSOrganize only booting using bootme.... I will have to look into this, I didn't make the product but I will check for sure.

So, um..
Any DLDI-based news yet?
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No DLDI news that I have heard of, but I am happy to report it runs the DS wifi demos fine off the card.

Better than nothing, I suppose.

Jedijoe9 wrote:

but I am happy to report it runs the DS wifi demos fine off the card.

That is because it was designed to work with those.. ;)
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... Anything?
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Not providing DLDI or code in the first place is bad enough, but then promising to do it, and then not keeping their word? This makes Datel look even worse than they already do (if that's even possible).

Isnt it possibly Datel is merely forgetful?

Giving us the ability to make drivers so we can save in homebrew would be nice, but its not something they have to do. They arnt evil or nasty for not doing it.

How many of the people asking have actually sent an email off?
Companies normally respond to demand.
One person in a company can easily forget things. (that's if they even understand what is being requested, the person answering the email seldom does!)

damon ~ any news?

I might send off an email saying I'll buy the card if they let DLDI support be developed for it (which is true), if a few others do the same it could sway them.
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I sent a eMail to Datel many weeks ago and I wrote in their support page. No answer neither yes nor no ...

Does anyone know what email address I should write to to send a letter to Datel about this? I tried looking on their website but I could not find anything.

I'm quite interested in buying this card, but I will not until they provide what we need to have DLDI drivers for it.

Darkflame wrote:

Isnt it possibly Datel is merely forgetful?

Very forgetful maybe.. you don't get a reputation for nothing.
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Datel is veeeery slooooow. It can take them 6 months to receive a device in the mail, update the firmware, and send it back.
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I emailed Damon yesterday but no reply yet. He's probably just busy.

Tepple's moved the offtopic chat to http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13178
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I've sent at least 3 e-mails to datel about DLDI patching.

I figure the more e-mails we send, the greater chance we have that they actually do it.

Any developments in the situation yet?

It's pretty safe to say this dude was a flake and we have to hack this card ourselves.
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DragonMinded wrote:

It's pretty safe to say this dude was a flake and we have to hack this card ourselves.

and how would we go about doing that? The card is basically based off their Action Replay.
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I see a few of ways. One, ask one of the DLDI driver authors if they would be willing to reverse it, and then send them one. Two, Beg Chishm to make time to reverse it, and send him one. Three, send Chishm so much money that he can't pass on giving it some time.. and send him one.. And last case, create a bounty, donate tons of money, and see what happens.
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Lynx wrote:

I see a few of ways. One, ask one of the DLDI driver authors if they would be willing to reverse it, and then send them one. Two, Beg Chishm to make time to reverse it, and send him one. Three, send Chishm so much money that he can't pass on giving it some time.. and send him one.. And last case, create a bounty, donate tons of money, and see what happens.

5th way: Send Chishm on a holiday to the USA where he will eventually come across one of these cards in a store and have to buy it for himself. Once it's in his hands, he won't be able to resist REing it.

Lynx:
Only 12 more posts until your 1337th post. You'll have to go out for drinks when that milestone happens.
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how much is a plane trip to the US? I could chip in.
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I'll chip in if it's a 6 months boat trip...
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Wait.. Did Chishm just say.. if he had one in his possession.. that he couldn't resist REing it?!?!?!

PR just purchased one from a major retailer chain in his area.. (none to be found by me yet) for $30 with 128MB MicroSD and games PRE-Loaded. As well as a Shrek preview.
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No, Chishm suggested you buy him a flight to the US ;)

Heck if I could afford a flight to the US, I wouldn't be so p'dof about my cheap-ass Games'n'Music cart needing DLDI support!!
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I just got a Games n' Music card, and overall I like it, but the lack of DLDI is horrible!

Luckily, I had bought a GBA MP v2 CF right after I got my DS, but after finding the video quality to be poor and having to convert to .gba/.gbm and stuff, it gathered some dust. I pulled it out, flashed it with Chism's utility, and I'm now using it for my filesystem. It works, booting the .nds from the GnM's microSD, then accessing files from the CF, but it would be a lot easier if the GnM would just have its own filesystem.

I'll email Datel, even if it doesn't help, it will at least show them we want DLDI for the GnM.

Also, should DLDI become available on the GnM, will apps such as DSLinux be able to mount both the microSD AND the CF (such as /gbamp and /gnm or w/e?) Or is this a question for the DSLinux devs?
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

libfat can mount both slots at once, although only one can use a DLDI. The library has to already have a driver for the other card but most SLOT-2 cards (including the GBAMP) are natively supported.

DSLinux doesn't use libfat, so you'll need to ask a DSLinux dev about supporting both slots at once.
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chishm wrote:

libfat can mount both slots at once, although only one can use a DLDI. The library has to already have a driver for the other card but most SLOT-2 cards (including the GBAMP) are natively supported.

Unless you are using a SuperCard and your SD card is one of those that happens to need scsd_moon.dldi.
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I found out that the GnM card works as a PassMe when you don't have the MicroSD card in it. I installed Moonshell to my GBAMP and just use the GnM as an (expensive) PassMe, but Moonshell plays MP3's better than the GnM's built in player, and same with videos. Moonshell also boots DSOrganize, so both apps work.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

DSOrganize is designed around GBAMP, so of course it would work...
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Seriously guys, how hard is it to simply TRY something yourself?

You say that as if it's his responsibility to do something. Either buy him a card and donate, or ask Datel yourself.
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DragonMinded wrote:

You say that as if it's his responsibility to do something. Either buy him a card and donate, or ask Datel yourself.

Well, to the young and impressionable. Chismh is the Code God and Source of all DLDI Goodness :-)

Bleh, Datel most likely don't really care that their device doesn't support homebrew and I can only say that I feel sorry for people who are suckered into buying their rather shoddy devices...
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EsCa wrote:

Please i know theres gotta be a way

Can someone give me instructions on how to crack it.

Unless you are good at one of the two following things, you're screwed:

1: Can you reverse engineer hardware without any documentation?
2: Can you persuade Datel to release hardware details?

If you can't do either of the above, then there'll be no cracking it for you, I'm afraid...
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EsCa wrote:

Can someone give me instructions on how to crack it.

One way of cracking it would be to find a way of dumping the firmware, and reverse engineering that to see how the interface works.

That is awesome.. If we could give you instructions on how to crack it, it would mean that someone has aready went through the process of cracking it to create the instructions.

So, if you were going to crack it, you'd be creating the instructions as you went.

How many people asking for GnM DLDI support has sent Chishm a GnM card? Or to any of the other DLDI authors?

You can't crack what you don't have. So.. at this rate, it will never be available.
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I have heard reports that other DLDIs like the NinjaDS one work for some stuff on the Games'n'Music card. Would that provide a foothold for getting a fully working driver?

...word is bondage...

Sweater Fish Deluxe wrote:

I have heard reports that other DLDIs like the NinjaDS one work for some stuff on the Games'n'Music card. Would that provide a foothold for getting a fully working driver?

...word is bondage...

I havea feeling that guy on Maxconsole was full of s***, if that's who you're referring to.

Yeah I tried the NinjaDS patch for whatever was mentioned, and did NOTHING! So, I use my good ol' GBAMP, which works nicely, and leave the stupid GnM as a passme with an empty (and useless) microSD slot.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

Its alright for us, but a DLDI for this device would really be usefull for the homebrew community, imho.

The Game and Music card is very cheap, and has the brand power to make it into retail shops.

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How many people asking for GnM DLDI support has sent Chishm a GnM card? Or to any of the other DLDI authors?

You can't crack what you don't have. So.. at this rate, it will never be available.

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You say that as if it's his responsibility to do something. Either buy him a card and donate, or ask Datel

True.
I sent Datel a note of why I'm not buying their product, but just got a generic response.

Moaning is not really much good any more.
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Yeah, the GnM is different from the other devices because it can and has made it into stores, I got mine at Best Buy. I had to get my GBAMP from either Lik-Sang (now closed, stupid idiotic no-brained Sony) and shipped from China, or buy on eBay (from some guy in Canada), I chose eBay because Canada is closer to the USA, but it still took a while to ship.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

Would it be possible to write a dumping program for the GBAMP? If so, I could boot the dumper on the GBAMP, dump the GnM onto the GBAMP's CF, and then upload the file for examination and DLDI creation. The only dumping app I found was a .ds.gba, and nothing runs these (not Moonshell or DSOrganize anyways). If there was a way to dump it, I'd be happy to help.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

calcprogrammer1 wrote:

Would it be possible to write a dumping program for the GBAMP? If so, I could boot the dumper on the GBAMP, dump the GnM onto the GBAMP's CF, and then upload the file for examination and DLDI creation. The only dumping app I found was a .ds.gba, and nothing runs these (not Moonshell or DSOrganize anyways). If there was a way to dump it, I'd be happy to help.

Uh.... DSOrganize is SPECIFICALLY made to boot .ds.gba on the gbamp using mighty max loader.
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Seriously guys, how hard is it to simply TRY something yourself?

calcprogrammer1 wrote:

Would it be possible to write a dumping program for the GBAMP?

Yes it would be possible. One exists for the GBAMP CF, but 1. it's only for GBAMP and not any other card, 2. it erases the entire CF card, 3. it's a ds.gba so you'll need a second SLOT-2 card to get it to work, and 4. it's primarily discussed on sites that cannot be linked from this domain.
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I got a reply from Datel:

RE: We are currently looking into this issue further and apologize for the
delay. As soon as more information is available, we will contact you
again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Lentz [mailto:catfishmoon23@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:54 PM
To: Tech Support
Subject: STILL NEED HELP

I was wondering if you could release the sources for the SD IO for the
DS
Games N Music player. It would be nice to have it so a DLDI driver could
be
made since the majority of homebrew requires it to work. Thanks in
advance.

Sincerely,

Julian Lentz

Hmm, no telling how long that will take or if it will happen. If it does happen, I might buy one.

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As soon as more information is available, we will contact you
again.

You know what that means.
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Ok, I think Chishm could vouch for this.. How long would it take a company to release DLDI drivers for a device they have FULL SPECS for? Hmmm? If they were actually going to do it, they would have by now. It's not like we are asking them to release something that is top secret!
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Lynx wrote:

Ok, I think Chishm could vouch for this.. How long would it take a company to release DLDI drivers for a device they have FULL SPECS for? Hmmm? If they were actually going to do it, they would have by now. It's not like we are asking them to release something that is top secret!

Its not upto Datel to write the drivers, they just have to make certain information public so that Chishm (or any other member of the homebrew community with enough skills) could make one themselfs.

We really arnt asking much from them.
They dont have to make anything, just release some information they already have.
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my guess is that they are just distributers of this and have no idea about the I/O.
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tondopie wrote:

my guess is that they are just distributers of this and have no idea about the I/O.

If so, then how did Datel get the boot sector compiled with Datel's logo?
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the manufacter
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Datel did indeed make this product. It has their logo, their name, and it has the same interface as the MMD, another Datel product that does have DLDI/libfat support.
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tondopie wrote:

the manufacter

Manufacturers produce what you supply. If a manufacturer was providing a device they internally designed and created, they would not provide it only for Datel, it would be sold under as many names as possible. Even if Datel wasn't manufacturing it, they would still have to design it.
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calcprogrammer1 wrote:

Datel did indeed make this product. It has their logo, their name, and it has the same interface as the MMD, another Datel product that does have DLDI/libfat support.

The only reason this has DLDI is that is a rip of the GBAMP hardware, so only a few lines had to be changed. And it shows as the DLDI for MMD is pretty finicky.
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Seriously guys, how hard is it to simply TRY something yourself?

Yes, what DragonMinded said above reveals something about the "R&D" process going on at Datel, something which should make one very wary of buying their shoddy products.

Alas, I have no sympathy for people who've bought Datel's crap. Consumer awareness involves being pro-active and taking in interest in the market that one is buying into (Hence, buy crap and you have only yourself to blame...).
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OOPMan wrote:

I have no sympathy for people who've bought Datel's crap. Consumer awareness involves being pro-active and taking in interest in the market that one is buying into (Hence, buy crap and you have only yourself to blame...).

Then what should somebody who finished saving up an allowance or just got a wad of cash for his birthday but is still too young to have a bank account buy?
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I guess it depends on how you look at it.. I see the Games N Music card bringing homebrew to the masses. Sure, it might not be the 'leet' piece of hardware everyone 'should' buy, but it is in the major retail chains. It's sitting right there for ANYONE with a DS to purchase. Instead of fighting the hardware, we should be embracing it.
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Maybe this is the time to re-evaluate the dependencies on DLDI-support for some homebrew projects?

kusma wrote:

Maybe this is the time to re-evaluate the dependencies on DLDI-support for some homebrew projects?

in what way?
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I think kusma means homebrew developers should embrace the 3 MB limit and use password save, like many Super NES games.
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OOPMan wrote:

Yes, what DragonMinded said above reveals something about the "R&D" process going on at Datel, something which should make one very wary of buying their shoddy products.

It reveals nothing in particular. There are only so many ways of implementing a CF interface and it's hardly surprising that similarities can be found. In all honesty I'd be more shocked if there weren't.

Unfortunately Datel chose to take the cheap option and have a bare CF interface rather than providing on board ROM. It's a valid choice but does require a slot 1 boot device.

Quote:

Alas, I have no sympathy for people who've bought Datel's crap. Consumer awareness involves being pro-active and taking in interest in the market that one is buying into (Hence, buy crap and you have only yourself to blame...).

Datel's "crap" is more available to the average consumer than devices made by other manufacturers. Not all homebrewers have access to PayPal, credit cards or other means to enable online shopping.

More could be done to allow their devices to be more useful to homebrewers but the fact remains that the MMD & Games n Music devices have done more to legitimise homebrew than any other product on the market.
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tepples wrote:

I think kusma means homebrew developers should embrace the 3 MB limit and use password save, like many Super NES games.

Exactly. If the GnM-cards become wide-spread, DLDI-dependence will limit your user-group. Sure, stuff like Moonshell and so on will depend on this due to it's nature, but for small games among other things it's convenience might not be worth it. On GBA a lot of developers made multiboot-applications since the size-restriction made the cheaper to run (no need for a flash-cart). This might be feasible for NDS, since the size-limit is bumped quite a bit.

What could be done, is an embedded read-only file system (like GBFS) integrated with deviotab (already done, see this thread) with a compile-time option to switch between it and libfat. Or perhaps libfat already have similar functionality? Anyway, it shouldn't be too hard, but it puts restrictions on the size.

For many applications, the size restriction isn't as bad as the lack of saving. But if I were making a simulation game, how would I fit an entire simulated environment into a password? Animal Crossing for GameCube barely fits a single item into a 28-character password, and forget about SimCity. Or should I expect the player to sleep the DS instead of turning it off and have it communicate with a server running on a PC?
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kusma wrote:

What could be done, is an embedded read-only file system (like GBFS) integrated with deviotab (already done, see this thread) with a compile-time option to switch between it and libfat. Or perhaps libfat already have similar functionality? Anyway, it shouldn't be too hard, but it puts restrictions on the size.

unless I'm mistaking or your update changes it from only working on slot2 cards that support GBA ROM space this won't work, my romdiskfs port even with the newlib/libfat updates still won't work on slot1 cards or gbamp unless embedded in the .nds

Troy(GPF)

GPFerror wrote:

unless I'm mistaking or your update changes it from only working on slot2 cards that support GBA ROM space this won't work, my romdiskfs port even with the newlib/libfat updates still won't work on slot1 cards or gbamp unless embedded in the .nds

Might be true. I haven't tested anything else than GBA-functionality, since that's what I needed it for. But I doubt that it should be too troublesome to set it up to work from Slot-1 devices, at least if the symbol where the data resides is known. I could give it a go tomorrow.

DLDI is not a dependency, it is a tool that allows more freedom. Before FAT support, you had to hope appended filesystems worked with your cart, which for me it didn't (GBAMP). On top of that, the only thing embedded filesystems are useful for are small games and internet-only applications. Anything large scale that doesn't want to overwrite the SRAM contents needs a FAT driver.

I am not just talking about DSOrganize, which wouldn't be a possibility without FAT support, nor am I moonshell, which seems to mysteriously get FAT drivers for un-hacked devices, but for ANY application or game out there that wants to have user customizable settings, data over 4 MB minus the size of the executable, or any application that expects to deal with external files such as emulators, music/video players/editors, picture editors/viewers, etc.

So when you say we should go away from DLDI dependency, that's like telling a windows or linux programmer that they can't read data files from the disc or save to the hard drive and that their software should be completely live off of the CD. If the GnM device is to be any good for developers at all, it NEEDS to have DLDI support for it. I only hope Datel gives a shit.
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DragonMinded wrote:

So when you say we should go away from DLDI dependency, that's like telling a windows or linux programmer that they can't read data files from the disc

Did you even read my posts? It's not only this quote from your post that smells like you didn't...

kusma: by un-limiting your user-group, you're actually limiting your software.

Personally I find FAT access godlike.
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Quote:

nor am I moonshell, which seems to mysteriously get FAT drivers for un-hacked devices

Which is a good thing, no? being that it's source is available, these mysterious FAT driver can be provided to all, right?
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kusma wrote:

DragonMinded wrote:

So when you say we should go away from DLDI dependency, that's like telling a windows or linux programmer that they can't read data files from the disc

Did you even read my posts? It's not only this quote from your post that smells like you didn't...

I'm going to have to agree with DM on this one, he's right. Maybe you misunderstood what he said. DLDI lets us read and write files from storage. It's very analogous to the HDD on a PC. In fact you even use the same function calls to access it. (fopen, fread, fwrite).

Lynx wrote:

Quote:

nor am I moonshell, which seems to mysteriously get FAT drivers for un-hacked devices

Which is a good thing, no? being that it's source is available, these mysterious FAT driver can be provided to all, right?

Probably either the moonshell author himself is doing the hacking, but not talking about it (in english anyway), or the manufacturers are doing it, just so they can get moonshell running on their device (lets them claim mp3/video/etc support on their device)

I would guess the latter, as MoonShell seems to be one of the more included apps with comercial devices. Either way, as long as the source is available, everything it supports should be supportable by everyone else, right?
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Until one of the mfrs starts violating the crap out of the GPL on MoonShell.
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hey guys, dunno if this helps but there's a link for firmware on the new games n music site http://us.codejunkies.com/gamesnmusic/index.asp but I cant get it to work. . . just get an error page

The DSLiveWeather on that site is patched with a SCSD driver. Does it work on a GnM card?
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josath wrote:

I'm going to have to agree with DM on this one, he's right. Maybe you misunderstood what he said. DLDI lets us read and write files from storage. It's very analogous to the HDD on a PC. In fact you even use the same function calls to access it. (fopen, fread, fwrite).

I never suggested dropping libfat/DLDI/filesystem-support. I suggested supplying alternatives when companies doesn't supply drivers. In fact, I suggested having multiple mechanisms doing what you want (apart from fwrite).

kusma wrote:

josath wrote:

I'm going to have to agree with DM on this one, he's right. Maybe you misunderstood what he said. DLDI lets us read and write files from storage. It's very analogous to the HDD on a PC. In fact you even use the same function calls to access it. (fopen, fread, fwrite).

I never suggested dropping libfat/DLDI/filesystem-support. I suggested supplying alternatives when companies doesn't supply drivers.

I guess for example you could make your game such that if you don't have FS support, then it can only play a single level, without background music. But this is a lot of extra work on the programmer's side, just to support a device they probably don't even own, from a homebrew-unfriendly manufacturer. This is probably why there wont be a lot of support for this idea.

Some apps wouldn't even work at all without FS access (any note-taking, drawing, organizing, media-playing apps).

kusma wrote:

In fact, I suggested having multiple mechanisms doing what you want (apart from fwrite).

You're underestimating the power of write-access.
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kusma wrote:

josath wrote:

I'm going to have to agree with DM on this one, he's right. Maybe you misunderstood what he said. DLDI lets us read and write files from storage. It's very analogous to the HDD on a PC. In fact you even use the same function calls to access it. (fopen, fread, fwrite).

I never suggested dropping libfat/DLDI/filesystem-support. I suggested supplying alternatives when companies doesn't supply drivers. In fact, I suggested having multiple mechanisms doing what you want (apart from fwrite).

And I stated that this is just NOT practical in my case. I have a feeling YOU didn't read MY post.
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DragonMinded wrote:

And I stated that this is just NOT practical in my case. I have a feeling YOU didn't read MY post.

And again, I never told you to do anything. I specificly mentioned that non-DLDI would be impractical for applications like Moonshell. I kind of assumed people would understand that this would include among other things DSOrganize. And apart from that, my postings were only suggestions, not directions. Take it or leave it, people.

seckscow wrote:

hey guys, dunno if this helps but there's a link for firmware on the new games n music site http://us.codejunkies.com/gamesnmusic/index.asp but I cant get it to work. . . just get an error page

Well, thats a step in the right direction..kinda of :p
Probably a precompiled update though, Id guess.
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Isn't that just the MMP/MMD firmware? The download link doesn't work anyway. I don't think they have released any update for the GnM. I wonder what happened to Damon, he stopped replying to my emails.
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max media player has it's own site which is why I asked http://us.codejunkies.com/mpds/index.htm doesnt games n music use max media player? looks like the same interface as GnM.

http://us.codejunkies.com/images/US_product_images/big/MediaPlayer.jpg

like in the bottom corner, thought it was their universal "Media Application"

Same interface but they would have had to change the code so it supports reading from GnM. I think it's also built-in (firmware), so no need for a menu on your microSD (if their built-in menu didn't suck). I don't think we can download their built-in menu for GnM, you'll need to dump the firmware.

I don't own a GnM, so I can't test if the MMP bootme.nds works on GnM but I assume it's incompatible since it was made before GnM was released.
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Or didn't actually work there to begin with and got bored of the hoax.
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If you take the MMD's v1.22 update, and stick it on the G'n'M as Bootme.nds, the following happens..

*sticks in, boots up*

---

"Max Media Player : Version 1,22"
"No Device found in Slot-2"

---

So, no help there..

On the subject of designing 4Mb Self contained games. It would be nice to see a few more of those. I planned to do one earlier on this year, (and even drew a whole crapload of gfx for it) but kinda got cheesed off with the whole "Yes, of course we'll get the DLDI working!" lie that Datel have been passing off this whole time, so never really started coding the thing.

Maybe I should get to doing that, sometime.
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Quote:

"Yes, of course we'll get the DLDI working!" lie that Datel have been passing off this whole time, so never really started coding the thing.

We dont know they actualy even said that much at all.
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Actually, that is true. Unless it is published on their site, it's hard to say who is saying what. ;)
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I suppose... But we do know that the Damon posting here was at least the same Damon who organised the Max Media compo.. (Or at least he appeared to be, to a moderately believable degree)
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Jayenkai wrote:

If you take the MMD's v1.22 update, and stick it on the G'n'M as Bootme.nds, the following happens..

*sticks in, boots up*

---

"Max Media Player : Version 1,22"
"No Device found in Slot-2"

---

Seeing that the Slot 2 part of the MMD is much like the GBAMP CF (from what I've heard) could you put this bootme.nds and use it to access the files off the GBAMP? This could mean using Datel's interface with the GBAMP instead of having to use Moonshell or DSOrganize...but I guess those apps have better interfaces anyways.

They need to release a firmware update for the GnM...that way it could be reverse-engineered, so hopefully there's enough wrong with the GnM's 1.22 firmware that they'll make an update.

I just installed PAlib on my VC++ 2005 Express...I've started some simple demos that may turn into simple games, but I test them on my GBAMP...I could test them in the GnM but they'd most likely work since my demos don't use DLDI or libfat or any filesystem access.
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It wouldn't work on GBAMP without patching. It's similar but the addresses are different (I think). You wouldn't want to use it anyway, MMP menu is horrible.
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For those trying to access the firmware link. It isn't where the site says it is, it is at http://us.codejunkies.com/gamesnmusic/software/MMPDS_122.zip
It is probably not the correct file though.

However, the GnM card that I have already is running 1.22 or maybe the update actually worked (I doubt it though).

-Edited to make it more readable.

Same filesize/date/time as the MMD v1.22.
As such I'll assume it's the MMD one, and will ignore the Slot1 memory device.

Didn't bother to test though, since I'm about to head out the door! Will test in a few hours time..
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Sorry if it's just a wild goose chase. . . but I've been watching this topic for 2 months now and am trying to keep it active. I'm not experienced with coding or anything, just tried to post something that might help others. I could probably use my time watching this topic more effectively but I wouldnt know where to start.

I wish there was a dumper that used just the CF...I don't have a GBA flashcart and I see no reason why it couldn't just open the Slot 1, read it, and save contents to a slot1.nds or .dump or something...maybe I'm just oversimplifying but are you able to just open the Slot 1 and rip the contents off using a simple loop? If so, I could rip the GnM to my GBAMP and post.

If I knew how (using PAlib) to open a file on CF for writing, and how to access the start of Slot-1 for reading...wouldn't it just take a while or for loop to copy the data in binary mode to the GBAMP's CF file?
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

calcprogrammer1 wrote:

If I knew how (using PAlib) to open a file on CF for writing, and how to access the start of Slot-1 for reading

The latter is closely guarded information because the same code that can dump the GnM firmware can also be used to dump Game Cards and distribute copies illegally over the Internet. People who know how to do this are either homebrewers who are vehemently anti-piracy, or they are pirates who don't want members of other release groups to get their hands on their private tools.
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Would a firmware dump of the GnM even help?
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I give up on the dumping...the dumper.nds.gba required a flash cart and the M3 dumper just plain refuses to run on a GBAMP (even though some people posted that yes, it did work on a GBAMP) so dumping isn't much of an option, unless someone with one of those devices can get a hold of a GnM to make a dump.

Otherwise, we'll be stuck emailing Datel a lot...and at the rate they respond to emails (which is...they don't), we'll be stuck emailing them a lot.
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Lynx wrote:

Would a firmware dump of the GnM even help?

Yes it would. We could RE it to see how to at least read a TF card using the GnM.
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chishm wrote:

Yes it would. We could RE it to see how to at least read a TF card using the GnM.

So what way would you suggest to obtain this dump while not giving the pirates what they want?
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No one have a GBAmp to dump the cart? Or is it more complicated than that?
And arent new dumping utilities updated for encryption?

Who here has a GnM card and a SLOT-2 card that's supported for writing by libfat?
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I used to have an MMD, but the cheap-ass CF card that Datel included with it died on me about 2 months in..
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chishm wrote:

Who here has a GnM card and a SLOT-2 card that's supported for writing by libfat?

By tonight, I will.
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Or I, if I thought it would help (now that I do), I dumped the MML (though, I don't know if my dump was any good).. I'll see what I can do as well, if Tepples doesn't beat me to it.
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Is the max media player a slot 2 card? If so I might pick one up, or can it even be used for data dump? Saw one in the clearance section at walmart :P

I hope it yields results for you guys, I'm pretty anxeous lol

I have the GBAMP V2 CF...just no GBA flashcart like you need for DarkFader's dumper.ds.gba thing.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

I have all the required hardware - GBA flash cartridge, GBAMP V2, GnM card.

I just tried dumping the GnM card - it says "cannot find secure area".

I have the GnM and GBAMP. I tried using the MK3 to dump it, but I'm not sure if the dump was valid or not (I couldn't get it to run on anything, it should at least be able to get to the device not found screen right?)

Keith, if I remember correct, DF had to customize the dumper to work with the MML as well. So make sure you have the latest version.. if they are listed.

TheMikaus, open the dump in a hex editor and take a look. The MML was a 16Mb/B (can't remember) dump, but most of it was 0's.. and it wouldn't run either..
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seckscow wrote:

Is the max media player a slot 2 card?

MAX Media Dock and MAX Media Player are a SLOT-1/SLOT-2 combo.

Chishm: If you'll be making a custom dumper, here is proof that I have the equipment. I'll be cleaning out my PM box so that we can take this private if needed.
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I guess this is what teenage mutant turtles would call "Pizza time"! or "Hacking time". Or whatever.

Good luck!

chishm wrote:

Who here has a GnM card and a SLOT-2 card that's supported for writing by libfat?

Me. BTW, it's a GBAMP CF v1.

Here's my proof that I own a GBAMP V2 CF and a GnM...it's my tutorial on how to boot GBAMP from GnM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezy2Y2zAxVI

I haven't gotten any kind of dumper to work with this hardware though.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

^^^ Cool, wish I had a slot2 cart I could be trying this with :P

It's a 16M file.
0x000000 -> 0x0015e has data
0x000181 -> 0x003fd9 has zeros
then there is a bunch of repeating symbols and then random stuff.

Does that sound right?

Any ideas anyone? Sounds like it's about the right size.

http://dldi.drunkencoders.com/index.php?title=Device_development_instructions
Been reading that but some of it is confusing as I've never worked with it before.

I've gotten what I need for now, so I no longer need someone with a GnM.
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Okay, cool. . . guess we just let you work your magic lol

Just lets us know if we can be any help.

That's great to know Chishm. I really hope you can get it working, even if it is just Read-only. (Although, obviously, aim for better than that ;) )

And, thanks for all your great work.
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Yay! Thanks for helping bring support for DLDI to us GnM users :)

Good luck with your programming.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

What's with the hurry, the profanity, and the unreasonable demands?

Yeah man, that's not gonna help anything. . . personally I'm very appreciative that chishm is taking the time to develop this since he's probably a busy guy.

EsCa wrote:

I demand my fucking DLDI by tommorow night

so it better fucking be here.

Sorry, I'm going to the movies.
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EsCa wrote:

I demand my fucking DLDI by tommorow night

so it better fucking be here.

Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke.
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I'm a PSP hacker now, but I still <3 DS.

I think it's a joke...

He just forgot to use the <joke> tag
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You can find my NDS homebrew projects here...

No, he's seriously thinking he has the right to demand things and doesn't see the fact that people who help with this project are doing so not just to satisfy his wishes.

Even if it was a joke (which I just can't believe), it wasn't funny and in any case insulting.
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HyperHacker wrote:

EsCa wrote:

I demand my fucking DLDI by tommorow night

so it better fucking be here.

Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke.

Even my sarcasm detector (which is glitchy thanks to Asperger's) detected this as a joke.
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-- Where is he?
-- Who?
-- You know, the human.
-- I think he moved to Tilwick.

But I seem to remember him making rude demands before...

Joke or no joke, if Chishm had a donation button, I'd send him to the movies the next 3 or 4 nights just so that he doesn't get his DLDI driver in a timely manner..
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[half joke half serous]
Is there a way to uniquely identify a DS? if so, you could make the driver work on everyone elses DS and not EsCa's.
[/half joke half serous]
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Homepage

Yeah, the MAC address. Also, that would make my day.

Looking forward to "At the Movies, with Chishm" appearing on your site, soon...

Then the DLDI the next day :)
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If anybody wants to give chishm an evening or may be even a day out you may be able to find something interesting for him to do at http://www.visitcanberra.com.au/.

Alright, have fun shutting us down.

Remember,
eThugging Doesn't Make Your Penis Bigger?

Edit: EsCa's post was removed, so this doesn't make much sense anymore. >_<

Last edited by chuckstudios on Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

chuckstudios wrote:

Remember,
eThugging Doesn't Make Your Penis Bigger?

lol. . . that = pwnt

Seriously though, we probly should try to stay on topic despite EsCa's non contributive posts.

IP ban him please.

Please ignore him chishm. I really appreciate the work you are selflessly putting in to this project. Take your time.

If this works out, it could open up so much for the homebrew scene since you could always just go to the store and pick up gnm and be ready to design any application you can imagine.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seckscow wrote:

If this works out, it could open up so much for the homebrew scene since you could always just go to the store and pick up gnm and be ready to design any application you can imagine.

This is the reason that the GnM needs a DLDI...if it were supported, a lot of people would buy it (after seeing videos online, news, forums, etc) for the movies and music (Moonshell is better than the built in system...) and apps like DS Organize. A few of them would even look into programming with it.
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There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

Don't worry, I'm still going to work on it. With a DLDI available, more people can get into homebrew without the restrictions of 4MiB files or the need to order online.

Transformers was great, and I kinda needed a night out of the house, away from the PC and DS, to get myself motivated. I've got all of next week off, so hopefully I can write something then. I've got 4 other projects to work on too, so don't expect anything immediately.
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Awesome man, great to hear. . . looking forward to transformers, just watched live free or die hard last night and I was pretty impressed with how it turned out, not a big fan of the director but he did a good job.

McClane is the MAN! :P

seckscow wrote:

Awesome man, great to hear. . .

yes!!!

This could become the GBAMP of Slot-1s... It might even make me want to buy a slot-1! :o (SLot-2s are still better)
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Whats taking so long

i want to use my GNM to the fullest and look at BangBros.com on my DS

with a web browser i downloaded

Have fun doing that with the DSO browser with no images... Or Opera without a RAM pack which it needs to run...

EsCa wrote:

Whats taking so long

i want to use my GNM to the fullest and look at BangBros.com on my DS

with a web browser i downloaded

It's taking a long time because he is doing this in his free time to volunteer. If you want to do things NOW, you need to buy yourself a useful cart, or hack it yourself. Quit with the demands, noone here has to do anything for you.
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Enter the mind of the dragon.

http://dragonminded.blogspot.com

Seriously guys, how hard is it to simply TRY something yourself?

I vote for banning him.. He just keeps stirring up trouble anyway.
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Didnt he get banned before? all of his old posts were deleted and his post count went down.

Probably got a proxy or dynamic IP...but why was his account able to be used or recreated (if it was deleted)...
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DS Firmware 1, Datel Games n' Music card / Chism's FW hacked GBA MP v2 CF

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

Hmm. . . wonder what else chishm is working on, and if it's ds oriented :P

I gotta do some work on my 360, first it was over heating now I just get hardware failure errors. Probly dead but I gotta try to fix the thing at least lol

I've heard that the 360 can overheat itself to the point where the solder comes undone on some chips and it has the red lights around the power button problem. Luckily, I only have a Gamecube and a Wii, neither of which overheat or have hardware issues. I also have a DS of course, and a GBA.
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DS Firmware 1, Datel Games n' Music card / Chism's FW hacked GBA MP v2 CF

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

calcprogrammer1 wrote:

I've heard that the 360 can overheat itself to the point where the solder comes undone on some chips and it has the red lights around the power button problem.

This is true, which is why I have been planning on making the heatsink clamps hold more firm, and put new thermal paste on them, to prevent this from happening again.

I can't wait for this DLDI...I don't really like the GBAMP sticking out of my DS lol even though I have a 512MB CF and only 128MB microSD.

Any news on the DLDI? If not, life is always more important than having a DLDI right away, so don't force yourself.
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DS Firmware 1, Datel Games n' Music card / Chism's FW hacked GBA MP v2 CF

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

I cant wait either man, mostly looking for some more media versatility. I'm a musician and I'm constantly listening to music, and can find many ways to use this to my advantage like for playing back drumtracks and so forth. A metronome app would be the bomb! lol

It's coming along nicely. I'll have the first release version out within a day or two.
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Cool, thanks again chishm.

Wow progress! Thanks! This will be much appreciated :)

I can't wait to test it out, even it it's not perfect yet.
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DS Firmware 1, Datel Games n' Music card / Chism's FW hacked GBA MP v2 CF

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

I'm at the stage where I'm going to need testers to run many tests. Join #dsdev on irc.blitzed.org if you have a Games'n'Music and want to help me with testing.
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