#170877 - atenzor - Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:40 pm
Read this page.
It looks like a new Nintendo DS library will be coming this November,
and it looks like it's more of an official one. That is really good for the
DS homebrew scene, cause now we can see the full potential of the DS.
Anyway, I am still waiting like everyone else for the release.
I hope it's good. :)
#170879 - DiscoStew - Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:39 pm
I wish there was actual info about this library, because saying "This library might replace the libnds library one day" without explaining why it could in the first place shows nothing for what it is capable of, if it is capable of anything that would warrant it's use over other tools. We will of course look into it when it gets released, but right now, there is no desire for me to even consider it's use when there is nothing of interest.
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#170882 - atenzor - Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:43 am
yes, I agree, the author will maybe post the features on the release date, who knows...
#170883 - atenzor - Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:06 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| I wish there was actual info about this library, because saying "This library might replace the libnds library one day" without explaining why it could in the first place shows nothing for what it is capable of, if it is capable of anything that would warrant it's use over other tools. We will of course look into it when it gets released, but right now, there is no desire for me to even consider it's use when there is nothing of interest. |
This was posted a while now: features list
I think it's pretty much complete and superior to libnds.
anyway
#170884 - Dwedit - Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:24 am
Any time the NDS's ARM7 is referred to as "Game Boy Advance Support", I cringe. Things do not look good.
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#170885 - atenzor - Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:27 am
| Dwedit wrote: |
| Any time the NDS's ARM7 is referred to as "Game Boy Advance Support", I cringe. Things do not look good. |
I guess it just means that it will be supported as well, fully
#170888 - elhobbs - Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:07 am
Why is the word "official" being used for this library? Is this from Nintendo?
#170889 - DiscoStew - Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:10 am
Probably means "his" official library. /shrug
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#170890 - keldon - Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:43 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| Dwedit wrote: | | Any time the NDS's ARM7 is referred to as "Game Boy Advance Support", I cringe. Things do not look good. |
I guess it just means that it will be supported as well, fully |
Are you by any chance Mark Bet? 0_0
He mentions that he's a "Nintendo programmer", so I would guess that he may be creating a library inspired (a little more) by the design principles of Nintendo's SDK.
But he only says that it, "might replace libnds one day" - so he is thinking in the long term. Well it's only a week to go.
#170892 - Pete_Lockwood - Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:13 am
Well, it ain't official in any real meaning of the word that much is certain.
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#170896 - vuurrobin - Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:15 pm
I don't see anything that can't be done with libnds and devkitARM.
| keldon wrote: |
| Are you by any chance Mark Bet? 0_0 |
there are currently 2 members on the libdual forum. one is Mark Bet, a member, and the other is atenzor, site owner. looking at the main page, you can see that the writer of the main page(I asume the site owner) is a friend of Mark Bet.
I think that atenzor just want help his friend by promoting its libary.
| Quote: |
He mentions that he's a "Nintendo programmer", so I would guess that he may be creating a library inspired (a little more) by the design principles of Nintendo's SDK. |
if he's an officiel nintendo programmer (with an sdk and everything) then I don't think he's allowed to release information about the sdk. I'm not sure if that includes "libraries inspired by the sdk design principles".
or he meant that he is a homebrew programmer that develops for the nintendo DS.
| Quote: |
| might replace libnds one day |
ho boy. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that he underestimates the amount of work that needed to create something like libnds.
most ambitious programs like this that has a website+forum without information or download, tends to crash and burn.
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#170897 - SteveH - Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:49 pm
Well a quick Google of atenzor gives up some interesting posts:
1) A person with this name has been banned from at least 1 IRC network.
2) How's the "ModGrafix Engine XM-F (PS3/X360/Wii/PC)" game engine comming along? (Gamedev account is banned now)
3) Can I still apply for the speed bonus run bounties?
So unless atenzor is really unlucky in picking names for his account on here, I smell a scam.
Oh and a google search for libdual shows up numberous posts on various DS Dev scene forums, with the exact same thing on them by the exact same username, including a wikipedia defacing of the libnds page that was reverted twice because of the URL that this library is on.
And please don't tell me that your not the same person as I'm pretty sure that the odds of atenzor being a common username for scammers from Reseau d'Informations Scientifiques du Quebec is very slim...
Oh and one other thing to think about, just becuase you can extract the .o files from a .a file and do the reverse it does not mean you can make something like libdual from the sources of libnds and get away with it easily. There's a few of us in IRC that are looking forward to next week for the release just to see exactly what libdual is made from...
#170899 - atenzor - Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:48 pm
Before this gets any more uglier, let me just point out some things.
Yes, I am friend of Mark Bet, he is in Japan right now.
He is a licensed member from Nintendo and has rights to publish stuff
from them.
SteveH noted this from a Google search:
1) A person with this name has been banned from at least 1 IRC network.
2) How's the "ModGrafix Engine XM-F (PS3/X360/Wii/PC)" game engine comming along? (Gamedev account is banned now)
3) Can I still apply for the speed bonus run bounties?
This is true, however, those were the times were I was just kidding, and now I want to learn programming stuff.
Now, he didn't say that it will replace libnds the day it's released, but simply said "one day", perhaps it will eventually.
I guess you guys will have to wait the release date (November 1st, 2009) and then judge by yourself. Thanks.
#170900 - SteveH - Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:54 pm
| atenzor wrote: |
Before this gets any more uglier, let me just point out some things.
Yes, I am friend of Mark Bet, he is in Japan right now.
He is a licensed member from Nintendo and has rights to publish stuff
from them.
|
If that's the case he can not publish this libdual as he will be breaking the NDA that he signed to become a licenced developer. Also I can not find any information on him, so please provide proof or some link that shows his credentials.
Oh and I learnt this from eve-online:
Once a scammer, always a scammer. I very much doubt that this libdual exists, will ever replace libnds, or that anyone will use it.
You need to tell your friend to setup their own website on something other than webs.com with more informaiton on it, think of a sales website that has some screen shots, example code etc, otherwise, to me at least, this looks very fishy. The forums are locked on your website, or they were when I was looking a few hours ago, so we can't post questions about the library.
#170901 - atenzor - Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:01 am
Haha, you guys won't be laughing when this gets released, oh well. You will learn the hard way I guess.
#170902 - SteveH - Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:32 am
I'm not laughing, if the library is as good as you say, we need proof - a small video of the code running on a ds, some example code anything to wet our appertites would be nice.
No information / a horrible looking website does not sell a product...
Please note that everything I've wrote is my own opinion not that of anyone else on the internet, unless they say something.
#170903 - atenzor - Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:38 am
Hahaha, SELL a product? Your a regular comedian!
The library will be free.
I am not directly related to it (like I don't have access to it) so there is no way to show any code/video.
I hope you understand and stop thinking this is some sort of scam.
#170904 - SteveH - Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:06 am
| atenzor wrote: |
Hahaha, SELL a product? Your a regular comedian!
The library will be free.
I am not directly related to it (like I don't have access to it) so there is no way to show any code/video.
I hope you understand and stop thinking this is some sort of scam. |
Confucius says "If something is too good to be true, then it normally isn't true"
You might not have access to the lib, et al, but you can pass a message onto your friend.
Also any site that provides a product is selling it - be it free like devkitPro.org or for huge amounts of cash like Microsoft.com - the website is the sales pitch on why someone should use product A over product B.
#170905 - atenzor - Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:28 am
I understand, I don't want to continue arguing, so I will just wait to see what will you say at the release date. Have a nice week.
#170907 - sajiimori - Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:24 am
This is the least interesting vaporware I've ever seen. I mean, it doesn't make any baffling or unlikely claims at all. You could at least say it has a custom scene exporter and a skeletal animation system or something.
Claiming to have done what's already been done? What a disgrace to the great art of trolling!
#170908 - DiscoStew - Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:36 am
We won't be the judge on this release. Nintendo will, and if they feel the need to shut it down because of a breach in contract, they will. This community has been pretty fortunate thus far in relation to it's continued homebrewing (unless there has been conflict in the background that many of us haven't experienced yet).
EDIT:
I did notice something on the list of features, which is "Internal Flash Memory." Is this what I think it is? Is this library also meant for developing for the DSi? Makes me think even more that Nintendo will be watching this carefully.
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#170909 - wintermute - Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:11 am
| atenzor wrote: |
Before this gets any more uglier, let me just point out some things.
Yes, I am friend of Mark Bet, he is in Japan right now.
He is a licensed member from Nintendo and has rights to publish stuff
from them.
|
I find that rather unlikely. Nintendo have requested that licensed developers pull code out of gamasutra articles in the past, can't see them being too happy about an entire library.
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#170910 - elhobbs - Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:14 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| Haha, you guys won't be laughing when this gets released, oh well. You will learn the hard way I guess. |
won't be laughing - learn the hard way - what bizarre things to say about free software.
#170911 - Dwedit - Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:10 am
This is getting ugly, please lock the thread.
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#170912 - gauauu - Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:49 am
| Dwedit wrote: |
| This is getting ugly, please lock the thread. |
I dunno, this is the most amusing thread we've had on here in awhile. ;-)
#170914 - Miked0801 - Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:15 am
:) Let it go. No harm done yet and entertainment and education value are important.
#170928 - atenzor - Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:17 pm
In a couple of days now!
#170931 - keldon - Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:34 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| Haha, you guys won't be laughing when this gets released, oh well. You will learn the hard way I guess. |
- "Won't be laughing when it gets released" ... so will anybody be laughing when it isn't released? ^_^
- I'm only joking of course, I "can't wait to see it"! ^_^
--- ** Ok, I'll be serious now.
If you are for real then let this be a PR lesson for you. A library is a pretty large undertaking not to have more details such as design approach, abstraction level, screen shots, or a history from the programmer (Mark Bet can't be found on Moby Games). On top of that it is attached to a brand that has a bad name (atenzor).
Of course I salute you in your effort in creating a buzz; I'm sure you will have plenty of hits on the first of November - so good luck on the release.
#170935 - ritz - Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:21 am
It's been leaked on the 'net early. Here's the URL, while it lasts. I luckily got a hold of a copy, brilliant code. Porting my stuff right now.
P.S. Secret upside-down calculator code embedded in the URL!
#170936 - DiscoStew - Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:31 am
Oh ritz, you silly goose.
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#170940 - atenzor - Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:12 am
For a moment there, I thought it was really leaked haha. But for real, it's coming.
#170943 - kusma - Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:43 am
| ritz wrote: |
| P.S. Secret upside-down calculator code embedded in the URL! |
How did you know Bosco's secret password?!
#170944 - sverx - Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:15 pm
Why are you waiting for 1st November for the release? Isn't the library release completed yet?
#170947 - Ben_j - Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:51 pm
| sverx wrote: |
| Why are you waiting for 1st November for the release? Isn't the library release completed yet? |
Usually this is a good sign of a scam. I remember something about a tunneling software to play multiplayer NDS games through the net.
#170951 - Legolas - Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:20 pm
Wow! Just can't wait to download it and find out that it is made of a bunch of .o files grabbed from the official nds dev library and repackaged in a brand new .a file :)
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#170952 - SteveH - Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:42 pm
| Legolas wrote: |
| Wow! Just can't wait to download it and find out that it is made of a bunch of .o files grabbed from the official nds dev library and repackaged in a brand new .a file :) |
Well it's not like he isn't attempting to look into creating a new lib for DS coding is it?
#170953 - sonny_jim - Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:56 pm
If this is what people think it is, it's not going to bring anything new to the table and seriously damage DS homebrew.
:-(
EDIT:
http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=541943
Clearly shows what a scam artist Atenzor is.
EDIT2:
Who also runs botnets:
http://www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=57672&pid=495706#pid495706
Needs help 'hacking' IRC:
http://www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=52603
This one is the best though, highly ironic:
http://www.hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=57678&pid=496011#pid496011
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#170956 - a128 - Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:00 pm
| sonny_jim wrote: |
If this is what people think it is, it's not going to bring anything new to the table and seriously damage DS homebrew.
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Only if you use this "new" lib. ....it will never be released....anyways. you will see.
let's move on to talk about libnds....again.
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#170959 - headspin - Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:30 pm
This is my favourite quote...
| atenzor wrote: |
| This is true, however, those were the times were I was just kidding, and now I want to learn programming stuff. |
So that post on gamedev was a joke but now you're being serious? If there really is a Mark Bet I think he should drop you as his PR spokesperson because you're doing nothing for the project but destroying any legitimacy.
Some other great quotes from the gbadev post that for some strange reason share a resemblence to what we're seeing here.
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| PS3 can't run unsigned code... Well it can but no access to kernel so no hardware accelerator, on the other hand, you are in a big trouble at the moment with your advertisment :) |
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| I don't understand why you would announce this now without anything to show for yet. We can't buy it yet, we can't try it yet, we can't see anything yet, what is the point? Clearly a troll? |
| Quote: |
| You're a con man who doesn't have the first clue what he is talking about. |
| Quote: |
| I'm confused.. why go to all the effort? It is obvious you have no intention on delivering this product as specified. (Admittedly, creating a Wikipedia page yourself for your own product isn't hard.) |
| Quote: |
| C'mon guys we've all been kids with delusions of being a big time CEO. |
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#170960 - Ben_j - Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:31 pm
don't bother libdual. I'm working on libtrial, it will be out on April 1st 2010.
#170963 - DiscoStew - Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:01 pm
I'm done with this.
If the proof made by member of the community wasn't enough, then let's check out atenzor's profile on his own website forums...
http://sdktools.webs.com/apps/profile/profilePage?id=44388357
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* atenzor posted a new topic Sega 32x SDK
* atenzor posted a new topic Sony PlayStation 3 SDK
* atenzor posted a new topic Microsoft Xbox 360 SDK (NOT XNA!!! REAL SDK)
* atenzor posted a new topic Microsoft Xbox SDK (NOT XNA!!! REAL SDK)
* atenzor posted a new topic Sony PlayStation 2 SDK
* atenzor posted a new topic Sony PlayStation Portable SDK
* atenzor posted a new topic NEC PC-FX SDK
* atenzor posted a new topic Sony PlayStation 1 (PSX) SDK
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Coincidentally, all these SDK topics magically do not exist or have been deleted. And just where are all that "audio" stuff that was posted on that website? They're gone as well, leaving only this "libdual" as the focus.
Just in case his profiile gets "cleaned up", here's a screen shot of it.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5310/atenzortopics.png
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#170967 - elhobbs - Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:59 pm
this is probably just a kid looking for attention... go easy on him/her
#170968 - atenzor - Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:04 pm
Hahaha, I think you guys are confused.
I am not the one who works on the library, Mark Bet does,
so I don't see what does the things I posted on other places
have to do with anything?
He waits because he needs to verify everything is OK.
Don't worry, If I were you, I would feel the same way, but
once this gets released, you will have to explain me why you
made fun of this. Thanks.
#170969 - TwentySeven - Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:07 pm
Persistant troll is Persistant.
#170970 - atenzor - Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:15 pm
| TwentySeven wrote: |
| Persistant troll is Persistant. |
useless replies always useless
#170971 - SteveH - Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:10 pm
| atenzor wrote: |
| Hahaha, I think you guys are confused. |
I'm not confused, but my BS meter is going a little bonkers at the moment, but only whenever I access this thread or when you sign into IRC...
| atenzor wrote: |
| I am not the one who works on the library, Mark Bet does, so I don't see what does the things I posted on other places have to do with anything? |
Right Mark Bet, a person that does not exist in any way shape or form when doing a google on his name, in any game dev communities that I access or even on any business lists that are published online...
| atenzor wrote: |
| He waits because he needs to verify everything is OK. |
Ahh so he's making sure that the "libnds replacement" is a-ok with Nintendo, a company that has sent numberous CnD's to people that do fan created games of their IP, companies that make or sell flash carts, and are so protective of their hardware and software that they are utilising SHA1 1024 bit keys to encrypt their files that they save onto the SD card on the DSi? I don't think Nintendo will sanction his library more than libnds will get the thumbs up from Nintendo...
| atenzor wrote: |
| Don't worry, If I were you, I would feel the same way, but once this gets released, you will have to explain me why you made fun of this. Thanks. |
OK, so I'll be nice here and ask a couple of questions that I've not seen asked or answered to a satisfactory level yet:
1) Who is Mark Bet, what previous games has he worked on, and which platforms?
2) Why is it that every post about libdual points to your free hosted web site that has links to Yu Gi Oh music, and as my learned college DiscoStew stated also has information for other SDK's that no longer exist.
3) Who is M-Duplex Corporation? Where are their offices based?
4) If Mark Bets is a real person, why hasn't he signed up for an account on this forum and posted a response on here, with links to more information on the product? The only person that's posted about this product is you on numberous forums, scene news sites, etc...
Now I'm going to allow you some time to think up the answers to these questions and let you post the results, infact I'll give you until Vavle release the L4D2 Demo (current ETA October 28 @ 06:00am PST), after which time I will no longer care about the answers as I will be too busy playing L4D2, or I will be for at least 2 hours...
#170973 - atenzor - Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:18 pm
| Quote: |
1) Who is Mark Bet, what previous games has he worked on, and which platforms?
2) Why is it that every post about libdual points to your free hosted web site that has links to Yu Gi Oh music, and as my learned college DiscoStew stated also has information for other SDK's that no longer exist.
3) Who is M-Duplex Corporation? Where are their offices based?
4) If Mark Bets is a real person, why hasn't he signed up for an account on this forum and posted a response on here, with links to more information on the product? The only person that's posted about this product is you on numberous forums, scene news sites, etc...
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1) a Programmer, no games/platforms previously worked on
2) maybe cause it's popular
3) who? it's an evil organization, dont go near
4) he is in Japan right now, working on a deal with Nintendo of Japan
well, there ya go man, all questions answered. any others?
#170974 - gauauu - Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:25 pm
Ok, I'm bored now. It's no longer amusing, now just pathetic. Hurry up and come, November 1, so this guy will go away....
#170975 - atenzor - Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:34 pm
Don't worry, you can't get rid of me that easely man, lol
besides, this thing is real, just wait ok
#170977 - DiscoStew - Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:15 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| Don't worry, you can't get rid of me that easely man, lol |
Been to GameDev recently?
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#170978 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:26 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| atenzor wrote: | | Don't worry, you can't get rid of me that easely man, lol |
Been to GameDev recently? |
Im not talking about bans, I am saying you will be seeing me again some other place perhaps. Anyway, November 1st almost, time for I laugh and you well, you explain yourself.
#170979 - DiscoStew - Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:52 am
The reason why we aren't taking this seriously is because there is nothing to take seriously. When it does come out (should that actually happen), we won't have to explain anything because the only information we had to rely on was from word of mouth, and right now, you are the only source of this and you have proven yourself to be dishonest in the past (which has been confirmed by people here). How can we trust a dishonest person?
The approach that should have been done in the first place would have been with a screenshot/video of a short demo with a snippet of code showing how it works, because when we see something in action, that's when our attention is focused. Even if you were to do that now, we wouldn't really care.
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#170980 - vuurrobin - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:05 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| Hahaha, I think you guys are confused. |
thats because you're confusing and not making alot of sense.
| atenzor wrote: |
| I am not the one who works on the library, Mark Bet does, |
if Mark Bet is the one working on it, then why are you the one anouncing the library?
| atenzor wrote: |
| so I don't see what does the things I posted on other places have to do with anything? |
you previously anounced software to be released and that turned out to be false. you are now anouncing software to be released, so people are suspicious of believing it. they want prove that it is true, because they aren't going to believe you on your word anymore.
| atenzor wrote: |
| He waits because he needs to verify everything is OK. |
and he is absolutely, completely, positively sure that it will be ok with nintendo by november 1? what if nintendo decides that they want to cancel the whole deal, meaning that Mark can't release the library? seems to me that you want to wait with anouncing it until after nintendo OKs it.
| Quote: |
Don't worry, If I were you, I would feel the same way, but
once this gets released, you will have to explain me why you
made fun of this. Thanks. |
if you know how we feel, then why don't you do something about it, like
releasing some information or examples about it instead of saying that we should wait some days.
and we are 'making fun' of this because we dont know anything about it exept its name and its expected release date.
| atenzor wrote: |
1) a Programmer, no games/platforms previously worked on
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how come that a programmer that has nothing to show for is making deals with nintendo?
| atenzor wrote: |
| 2) maybe cause it's popular |
what is populair? a. the yu-gi-oh, b. the SDKs, or c. libdual.
a. I'm pretty sure that yu-gi-oh music is populair, but it has nothin at all to do with libdual. I suggest setting up a separate website for libdual.
b. the SDKs aren't real, so how can they be populair?
c. libdual hasn't been released, so the number of users is 0. so its not populair.
| atenzor wrote: |
| 3) who? it's an evil organization, dont go near |
care to explain why its evil?
| atenzor wrote: |
| 4) he is in Japan right now, working on a deal with Nintendo of Japan |
they do have internet in japan. he/she can easily go to an internet cafe and post here to reasure us. I mean, we are potential users of his/her library. the least he/she can do is post here.
| atenzor wrote: |
| well, there ya go man, all questions answered. any others? |
if the library and all its information is going to be released on november 1, then why didn't you wait with opening a topic until november 1?
if mark bet is the one creating this, then why are you the one posting here and not mark? I'm sure he wants to know how people think about his library.
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#170981 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:27 am
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thats because you're confusing and not making alot of sense.
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really? im sorry.
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if Mark Bet is the one working on it, then why are you the one anouncing the library?
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he doesnt use forums
| Quote: |
you previously anounced software to be released and that turned out to be false. you are now anouncing software to be released, so people are suspicious of believing it. they want prove that it is true, because they aren't going to believe you on your word anymore.
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i understand
| Quote: |
and he is absolutely, completely, positively sure that it will be ok with nintendo by november 1? what if nintendo decides that they want to cancel the whole deal, meaning that Mark can't release the library? seems to me that you want to wait with anouncing it until after nintendo OKs it.
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actually, it is already OK, he told me
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if you know how we feel, then why don't you do something about it, like
releasing some information or examples about it instead of saying that we should wait some days.
and we are 'making fun' of this because we dont know anything about it exept its name and its expected release date.
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i would like to, but i dont have access to the library, i cant show anything
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how come that a programmer that has nothing to show for is making deals with nintendo?
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he knows the CEO very good, they are friends
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what is populair? a. the yu-gi-oh, b. the SDKs, or c. libdual.
a. I'm pretty sure that yu-gi-oh music is populair, but it has nothin at all to do with libdual. I suggest setting up a separate website for libdual.
b. the SDKs aren't real, so how can they be populair?
c. libdual hasn't been released, so the number of users is 0. so its not populair.
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you misspelled popular 4 times there
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care to explain why its evil?
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it's a long story
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they do have internet in japan. he/she can easily go to an internet cafe and post here to reasure us. I mean, we are potential users of his/her library. the least he/she can do is post here.
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i told above that he doesnt use forums
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if the library and all its information is going to be released on november 1, then why didn't you wait with opening a topic until november 1?
if mark bet is the one creating this, then why are you the one posting here and not mark? I'm sure he wants to know how people think about his library.
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again, he doesnt use forums
I hope it answers these things for now. Thanks! any other questions?
#170982 - DiscoStew - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:31 am
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| DiscoStew wrote: | | atenzor wrote: | | Don't worry, you can't get rid of me that easely man, lol |
Been to GameDev recently? |
Im not talking about bans, I am saying you will be seeing me again some other place perhaps |
You mean like on the news about some kid who scammed a whole community? It's about as funny as me saying that I know where you live based on recorded IP addresses from here and other places where you've registered at, as well as some searching with Google.
I can't believe that this Mark Bet exists based on you comment here, as you are trying to get some fame from a friend who is supposedly doing ALL THE WORK while you create a website from a free service.
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#170983 - DiscoStew - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:43 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| he knows the CEO very good, they are friends |
How does one get to know the famous Shigeru Miyamoto?! Even you must know this, since you are Mark's friend! I've been dying to meet him!
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#170984 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:52 am
sigh... i just wait till November 1st to stop these funny comments/replies you guys have. Of course, they are all good, cause I would be asking questions too.
#170985 - SteveH - Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:56 am
ok Now my interest is peaked again - mainly as my BS meter has just exploided :(
some new questions, and please no stupidly short answers:
1) Why does Mark Bet not like using forums? taking into account that he's signed up to YOUR forum, and posted once, thus he uses forums!!!
2) How goes it with your friend Mario, sorry billconti? Did the baseball bat to the face hurt? (in case anyone's wondering I asked him on IRC to hit atenzor with a baseball bat since he did not know who M-Duplex Corporation are, even though it's plastered all over his website...)
3) OK you don't have access to the library, but Mark Bet does... so ask him to create a short video of the library in action and provide some example code (a hello world would be small enough example code to show it works).
Taking into account that there has been no official announcement from Nintendo about this official library, and the last time I spoke to an official DS dev about this library their response was "What? never heard of it...", and with this being for the homebrewers and legit etc, I'm sure that a lot of the big publishing houses and the dev's on warioware would know about it, I still think this is BS, but I am willing to wait the 4 / 5 days until 1 November 2009.
Oh and I second DiscoStew's question - how can a total nobody that does not know the first thing about publishing a game, never mind a new library system for a game console know the CEO? I'm not going to assume you mean Shigeru Miyamoto, since you did not say CEO of nintendo, for all I know it might be Steve Jobs, or William Gates...
#170986 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:02 am
This is getting better and better.
Now:
1) I actually made the post on my forums, i just registered the nickname under his name.
2) Mario? I think drugs are not good for you kid.
3) I was about to ask him, but I had to reply to these questions here, maybe if you stop, I might just release a video.
If you don't understand these answers, well, don't think too much or it might start to burn.
Thanks.
#170987 - DiscoStew - Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:15 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| sigh... i just wait till November 1st to stop these funny comments/replies you guys have. Of course, they are all good, cause I would be asking questions too. |
Sorry, my last post was kinda silly and out of nowhere, but seriously, how did your friend get to know Shiggy? I am learning Japanese and do plan to visit Japan in the future, and he is one of the people I really would like to meet in person.
EDIT:
lol, I completely forgot about E3, so maybe I can get in next year and meet him.
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#170988 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:28 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| atenzor wrote: | | sigh... i just wait till November 1st to stop these funny comments/replies you guys have. Of course, they are all good, cause I would be asking questions too. |
Sorry, my last post was kinda silly and out of nowhere, but seriously, how did your friend get to know Shiggy? I am learning Japanese and do plan to visit Japan in the future, and he is one of the people I really would like to meet in person.
EDIT:
lol, I completely forgot about E3, so maybe I can get in next year and meet him. |
Maybe Mark Bet can arrange that you see Shiggy. Who knows.
#170995 - keldon - Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:00 am
Anyone can know "someone" famous / notable, the question is why of all 6 billion people in the world has he got atenzor "handling" it?
I hope for your sake you're serious otherwise something is clearly wrong with you. If so, pm me and I will personally take the time out to help because nobody should have to suffer with such mental illnesses (well I'll try my best).
If you are for real then again, let this be a lesson on PR. Just check my sig, it's said that for 2 years so nobody is waiting for this algo but might be curious - likewise nobody is waiting for the lib, rather they're waiting for a reason to lock the thread.
You might think people are being facetious, but are in fact being very kind. It's not been locked and the mods have all the reason to (which links into my theory with the motivations for lying).
#170996 - Echo49 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:05 am
Aren't all these questions just giving him the attention he wants?
#170999 - sverx - Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:35 am
| Echo49 wrote: |
| Aren't all these questions just giving him the attention he wants? |
Yeah... now let's drive the attention away, at least until November.
Have you heard some good music lately? :) Have you seen Manic Miner in the Lost Levels has been released? :D :D
#171004 - SteveH - Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:55 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| This is getting better and better. |
I agree.
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1) I actually made the post on my forums, i just registered the nickname under his name.
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Wrong thing to do, for so many reasons...
| atenzor wrote: |
| 2) Mario? I think drugs are not good for you kid. |
Mario, billcoti, libnds, or what ever your friend's IRC persona is today has stated that he is currently stopping with you for a few days, and he is even accessing IRC from the same IP address that all these posts are comming from I bet. The other day he came out with a lot of crap about the interlectual provess of the american people as a whole, and last night said that you were a close friend that he is currently staying with. I requested that he hit you with a baseball bat as last night I could not be arsed to post a reply to your comment about the company that is plastered over your webs.com site...
And the only drugs I take are Coffee, and the odd paracetamol...
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3) I was about to ask him, but I had to reply to these questions here, maybe if you stop, I might just release a video.
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Well ask him, don't answer the questions here - you'll find that some people, like myself, love to find new tech and try and take it apart before it's released, and this new library means that any libs people are currently writing would need to be adjusted to work with libdual, and the more information we have about it the faster these libs can be ported, which will also help the lib become more used. So as I've said a couple of times, you need to take a short PR course and explain to Mark Bet that the more information he puts out the better.
| atenzor wrote: |
If you don't understand these answers, well, don't think too much or it might start to burn.
Thanks. |
What??
Oh and you still have not answered a question that was posted a while back:
Care to explain why M-Duplex Corporation is evil? Even if it is a long story, you can't put comments like that out without backing them up.
Oh and to all the posts about stop feeding the persistant troll, that is ever so persistant:
Sorry guys, I just like to know the far end of a fart about stuff like this, and this fart is very large and smelly, and the current undertones of bull is very stong, but possibly like everyone else I will eat humble pie if this is real - I just need to see an announcement from Nintendo first...
Oh and atenzor - a coiuple of quick questions for your friend Mark:
1) Which DS(p/l/i) is this library aimed at?
2) If this is for the older models, how is the code going to be run on them taking into account that current flash carts are illegal?
| sverx wrote: |
| Echo49 wrote: | | Aren't all these questions just giving him the attention he wants? |
Yeah... now let's drive the attention away, at least until November.
Have you heard some good music lately? :) Have you seen Manic Miner in the Lost Levels has been released? :D :D |
Your possibly right Echo49, but it's the only fun I've got today :(
sverx, I'm currently listening to the beatles back catalog, and enjoying attempting to re-code my libraries for inclusion within a future llibnds release.
#171009 - sverx - Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:25 pm
| SteveH wrote: |
| sverx, I'm currently listening to the beatles back catalog, and enjoying attempting to re-code my libraries for inclusion within a future llibnds release. |
Oh, what are you working on? And... do you know if is there a library to access SRAM -for instance to save hiscores- from a NDS and/or GBA program? (I'd need the first and a friend would need the second...)
Thanks :)
#171012 - SteveH - Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:04 pm
| sverx wrote: |
| SteveH wrote: | | sverx, I'm currently listening to the beatles back catalog, and enjoying attempting to re-code my libraries for inclusion within a future llibnds release. |
Oh, what are you working on? And... do you know if is there a library to access SRAM -for instance to save hiscores- from a NDS and/or GBA program? (I'd need the first and a friend would need the second...)
Thanks :) |
Just a couple of crappy util libs...
As for SRAM access, I can't think of any other than the built in eeprom support for DS carts
#171013 - gauauu - Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:08 pm
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Oh, what are you working on? And... do you know if is there a library to access SRAM -for instance to save hiscores- from a NDS and/or GBA program? (I'd need the first and a friend would need the second...)
Thanks :) |
For NDS, you need to write to the filesystem using libfat, which comes with libnds. Once you do, it's mostly as easy as writing files to any filesystem. If you need more help, start a new thread about it and we'll discuss there.
For GBA, I just now answered genecyst's question about it here:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=171011#171011
#171016 - sverx - Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:57 pm
| gauauu wrote: |
For NDS, you need to write to the filesystem using libfat, which comes with libnds. Once you do, it's mostly as easy as writing files to any filesystem. If you need more help, start a new thread about it and we'll discuss there.
For GBA, I just now answered genecyst's question about it here:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=171011#171011 |
Thanks! Isn't there anything on the NDS like what's on the GBA? I mean, is there a way to implement a save using no filesystems? How do the commercial titles do, then???
#171019 - gauauu - Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:28 pm
I've split this discussion (regarding saving to nds) off to a new thread: http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=171018#171018
#171020 - vuurrobin - Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:39 pm
| SteveH wrote: |
| Taking into account that there has been no official announcement from Nintendo about this official library, and the last time I spoke to an official DS dev about this library their response was "What? never heard of it...", and with this being for the homebrewers and legit etc, I'm sure that a lot of the big publishing houses and the dev's on warioware would know about it, I still think this is BS, but I am willing to wait the 4 / 5 days until 1 November 2009. |
I've always wondered, do official developers have some kind of comunication with eachother (forum, irc, mailing list, ect) and if yes, what do they discuss (for instance, do they share code snippets or ask for help with AI or something, do they ask questions, post bugs or give suggestions about the SDK, is it all dev talk or do they talk about other stuff)
| SteveH wrote: |
Just a couple of crappy util libs...
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what kind of util libs. I'm always interrested in other libraries seeing as I'm creating my own :)
why? it actually gave something interresting to talk about in this topic :(
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#171024 - Exophase - Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Guys, the CEO of Nintendo is Iwata Satoru, not Miyamoto Shigeru. Then again, I'm sure this Mark Bet knows both.
#171025 - gauauu - Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:05 pm
| vuurrobin wrote: |
why? it actually gave something interresting to talk about in this topic :( |
So that it will be more useful to people searching for that information in the future. This thread is a trainwreck, but I'd prefer useful information live in a thread that's NOT a trainwreck.
#171026 - SteveH - Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:09 pm
| vuurrobin wrote: |
| I've always wondered, do official developers have some kind of comunication with eachother (forum, irc, mailing list, ect) and if yes, what do they discuss (for instance, do they share code snippets or ask for help with AI or something, do they ask questions, post bugs or give suggestions about the SDK, is it all dev talk or do they talk about other stuff) |
Yup, WarioWorld.com
From what I gather it's a forum and has code snippets, etc.
| vuurrobin wrote: |
| SteveH wrote: |
Just a couple of crappy util libs...
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what kind of util libs. I'm always interrested in other libraries seeing as I'm creating my own :)
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Nothing major, as I said crappy libs...[/quote]
#171029 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:41 pm
The last time we spoke, he said the library works for the original and ds lite, but is created in a way that allows DSi extension, he might also release the DSi extension, but that is more paper contracts with Nintendo and Nintendo is not very happy about releasing the DSi library extension, but who knows.
Now, one question for you guys:
If this turns out to be real, what will you say then?
Thanks
#171030 - gauauu - Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:49 pm
My suggestion: everyone stop feeding the troll, so he'll get bored.
#171031 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:53 pm
| gauauu wrote: |
| My suggestion: everyone stop feeding the troll, so he'll get bored. |
According to Wikipedia:
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In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. |
I don't have the intent to provoke you emotionally and this is on-topic since this topic is about libdual. Thanks.
#171033 - hacker013 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:08 pm
maybe you can bring it in a way people beleave it what you say. My english is bad, my code is mostly of the time still crap but when I started my lib for the nds, people beleaved me and supported me :) and the lib never game to a point it was usable :) so my 2 cents are, maybe your not a scammer, if your not maybe you just must bring it on a way people beleave you.
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#171034 - atenzor - Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:13 pm
| hacker013 wrote: |
| maybe you can bring it in a way people beleave it what you say. My english is bad, my code is mostly of the time still crap but when I started my lib for the nds, people beleaved me and supported me :) and the lib never game to a point it was usable :) so my 2 cents are, maybe your not a scammer, if your not maybe you just must bring it on a way people beleave you. |
I know man, that's why I am waiting November 1.
#171035 - DiscoStew - Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:14 pm
| atenzor wrote: |
| If this turns out to be real |
From 100% positive to using "if".
| Exophase wrote: |
| Guys, the CEO of Nintendo is Iwata Satoru, not Miyamoto Shigeru. |
This was somewhat of a test. I say "somewhat" because I really do want to meet Mr. Shigeru someday. The CEO bit was the test, and even a simple Google search can tell this.
But understand, we have nothing to cling onto other than from word of mouth. People are deceptive (just as I was with my test), and it's hard to trust anyone unless they've shown good intent. A person with no background "can" bring about something grand, I will say that. If it does get released, then fine, we'll see what it can do, but don't expect anyone to not peck at the library, because they will, and if they find that it isn't original code, word will get out.
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#171036 - hacker013 - Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:20 pm
Maybe you can tell us why on november the first and not earlyer or why you started this topic earlyer then the release of the lib?
And maybe you can share some information about Mark with us, information we don't yet know ?
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#171038 - atenzor - Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:01 am
| hacker013 wrote: |
Maybe you can tell us why on november the first and not earlyer or why you started this topic earlyer then the release of the lib?
And maybe you can share some information about Mark with us, information we don't yet know ? |
I have to agree that I have no idea why did I really wanted to make this topic early, maybe cause it's just something that I couldn't wait to say, I don't know.
What kind of info on Mark you need?
#171042 - wintermute - Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:51 am
Personally I think this is all some sort of bizarre hoax but, assuming for a moment that it isn't, I have a few questions.
What makes this library any more "official" than libnds? We know that Nintendo insist their libraries are used for DS development and their NDAs forbid sharing with the homebrew community.
Why would you want to replace libnds? Is there some functionality missing that people would like to see?
Why have a whole new library rather than contributing to the current set of libraries used by the majority of homebrew programmers?
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#171052 - sverx - Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:25 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| I know man, that's why I am waiting November 1. |
What assures us that we will have news then? For what we know you could just disappear. Or postpone the date.
Just to say that if I were you and I had something to release, I'd speak the day of the release... but, well, maybe it's simply naive error.
We'll see. Or we won't.
#171053 - SteveH - Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:36 am
I'm of the impression that this may be an elaborate hoax, but if it is real then I will look at the library, and see what is the best between it and libnds before making my mind up on which one to use in the future. But taking into account my initial thoughts on PAlib was correct btw (and I've never used that library ever!).
| atenzor wrote: |
| The last time we spoke, he said the library works for the original and ds lite |
OK so libdual is for the DS phat and DS lite, excelent only one problem exists here - How to get our stuff running on those machines without using a cart that uses piracy to get homebrew to work..
Is Nintendo going to create an Offical Homebrew Slot-1 Cart? Where we only have access to the ARM9 and have to use a pre existing ARM7 code? or is there some other mechanic in the works to stop using this library / cart for piracy purposes?
I was initially excited about the posibility of some competion for libnds, but only from the point of view that a monopoly is bad. No offense to WinterMute but some parts of libnds are lacking in features (one of the things I'm working on at the moment will hopefully help in this situation) and these missing features are slowly appearing, but if libdual has these features from the start then you should demonstrate these features in a demo along with some example source code to show how these features work. Atenzor I'd sugest you contact Mark and get him to create a small demo of the power of his library, add in some screenshots, get some sample code and put this up on your site - this is called the sales pitch, it is what you need to provide for any product or service even if it's free.
Here's an example - Font support. In the current libnds you are limited to 8x8 fonts using the tile grid, unless you use some exotic font system for your application. So get a simple text demo done that shows the power of libdual and post some screen shots, and the code that generated them - as I said in a previous post Hello World would suffice as an example of the power of libdual.
#171054 - wintermute - Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:26 pm
libnds isn't a monopoly, it merely has a single point of distribution. The entire point of open source is to encourage collaboration and allow many people to work together to provide something that benefits the community as a whole. Competing tools and libraries make it more difficult to share code and work together - something the devkitPro toolchains and libraries are designed to enable and encourage.
Personally I believe that competition in this kind of environment is ultimately detrimental to the consumer.
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#171056 - sonny_jim - Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:55 pm
I'm wary about making any decision now after ranting about how a Slot-1 GBA emulator was never going to happen, but in this case I think it's fairly obvious now that libdual is either a hoax or contains Ninty IP, so it's useless to the homebrew community.
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#171058 - Exophase - Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:23 pm
| sonny_jim wrote: |
| I'm wary about making any decision now after ranting about how a Slot-1 GBA emulator was never going to happen, but in this case I think it's fairly obvious now that libdual is either a hoax or contains Ninty IP, so it's useless to the homebrew community. |
Looks like you're still waiting for that Slot-1 GBA emulator then, a port of gpSP to iPlayer hardly counts.
#171059 - DiscoStew - Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:03 pm
I was just thinking. If it is an official library that requires an OK from Nintendo, is this meant to be used by homebrewers, or by official developers of the system, or both? Let's exclude the fact of where it's coming from, and focus on the library itself.
A library still requires a compiler for code that uses the library, therefore, is a compiler being bundled with it (and therefore, it's a stand-alone development suite), or is there a specific one that we will have to use? Any mention of Nintendo's own SDKs as a requirement means we as homebrewers (though some of us, not I, are actual developers) cannot use it.
If it is stand-alone, wouldn't that conflict with Nintendo's own SDKs, that developers actually have to purchase? What profit would Nintendo see by using a free library when they've got their own that they actually sell? Theirs also come with hardware debuggers and such, which are probably specifically linked with their APIs, therefore, they couldn't use these debuggers with libdual.
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#171060 - gauauu - Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:13 pm
| wintermute wrote: |
libnds isn't a monopoly, it merely has a single point of distribution. The entire point of open source is to encourage collaboration and allow many people to work together to provide something that benefits the community as a whole. Competing tools and libraries make it more difficult to share code and work together - something the devkitPro toolchains and libraries are designed to enable and encourage.
Personally I believe that competition in this kind of environment is ultimately detrimental to the consumer. |
The real question for competition like that is answered by the question: how easily can users get their suggested improvements added into the main distribution? If users don't feel like they can (see the recent pidgin PR disasters), then competition or forks appear, which can be better for the consumer than a developer/distributor who doesn't "improve their product" (from their point of view).
Not that I'm saying you (as the devkitPro maintainer) do any of those things (As far as I can tell, you don't, and you do a great job), just saying that a lot of responsibility falls on you, the maintainer's, shoulders to ensure that competition/forks aren't needed .
#171061 - vuurrobin - Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:36 pm
| gauauu wrote: |
| vuurrobin wrote: |
why? it actually gave something interresting to talk about in this topic :( |
So that it will be more useful to people searching for that information in the future. This thread is a trainwreck, but I'd prefer useful information live in a thread that's NOT a trainwreck. |
fair enough.
| SteveH wrote: |
| vuurrobin wrote: | | I've always wondered, do official developers have some kind of comunication with eachother (forum, irc, mailing list, ect) and if yes, what do they discuss (for instance, do they share code snippets or ask for help with AI or something, do they ask questions, post bugs or give suggestions about the SDK, is it all dev talk or do they talk about other stuff) |
Yup, WarioWorld.com
From what I gather it's a forum and has code snippets, etc.
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thanks. I already knew about WarioWorld.com, but I didn't know whether it had a forum or just information on becoming an official developer.
| wintermute wrote: |
| libnds isn't a monopoly, |
I agree, people don't have to use libnds if they don't want to.
there is no need to have a lib rivaling libnds. that lib would have to create all those register defines that libnds already has. that would be a waste of time and effort that could be spend on other stuff. if there are features missing from libnds, then either add them to libnds or create a lib with just those features that is build on top of libnds.
@wintermute, congrats on your 1.5K posts =D
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| some exotic font system |
you mean something like this:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=16678
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#171064 - SteveH - Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:39 pm
You saying my graphical console is some sort of exotic font system?
#171065 - atenzor - Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:56 pm
I understand that you see this as a hoax, but in fact, it isn't.
#171066 - keldon - Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:29 pm
| atenzor wrote: |
| I understand that you see this as a hoax, but in fact, it isn't. |
Here's a question; what were the motivations behind your previous hoaxes? Have you received medical care for the issue, and what is your internal representation of hoaxes now? What are (and were) the gains of it?
Was it because you saw programmers as an elite group, and therefore making any sort of conversation gave you a sense of greater purpose (like some people do from the idea of meeting with or knowing a celebrity)?
If that is the case then be assured that we are all just mere human beings with a poetic twist. There are people who live their within the context of other people's imaginations, engrossed in their books, films, games; then there are those who create new worlds through poetry, music and games. Creativity is the only cue to what most people call great. Even a conman is using skills of creativity by bringing his ideas into your false positives.
Maybe you didn't want to risk finding out you were incapable of doing something for which you understood enough to have admiration; but be assured that anyone with the will to achieve something will eventually find a way. There are few people incapable of learning something they truly want to, so the question for you is whether you would like to learn some thing.
The answer to that question should always be yes; we as human beings should always want to be learning more; it is only at times of depression when we are happy to apply the brakes and see no progress.
#171068 - atenzor - Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:57 pm
| keldon wrote: |
| atenzor wrote: | | I understand that you see this as a hoax, but in fact, it isn't. |
Here's a question; what were the motivations behind your previous hoaxes? Have you received medical care for the issue, and what is your internal representation of hoaxes now? What are (and were) the gains of it?
Was it because you saw programmers as an elite group, and therefore making any sort of conversation gave you a sense of greater purpose (like some people do from the idea of meeting with or knowing a celebrity)?
If that is the case then be assured that we are all just mere human beings with a poetic twist. There are people who live their within the context of other people's imaginations, engrossed in their books, films, games; then there are those who create new worlds through poetry, music and games. Creativity is the only cue to what most people call great. Even a conman is using skills of creativity by bringing his ideas into your false positives.
Maybe you didn't want to risk finding out you were incapable of doing something for which you understood enough to have admiration; but be assured that anyone with the will to achieve something will eventually find a way. There are few people incapable of learning something they truly want to, so the question for you is whether you would like to learn some thing.
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Wow, is this from your new philosophical book?
#171069 - headspin - Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:00 pm
Nice post keldon.
I think OP should spend more time learning coding rather than rolling out fake SDK's on forums.
While I agree coding is a creative artform it can also require quite complex out-of-the-box style problem solving and maths. What I love about coding is that it requires a combination of both left and right hemisphere's of the brain. And while anyone can pick up a paintbrush and paint a picture it does take a marginal amount of work to learn a programming language and to eventually write something entertaining or useful with that skill.
Perhaps the OP is genuinly interested in programming but frustrated that he himself doesn't have the skill and/or patience to learn and would rather a much easier contest of conning his way into a community that eventually rejects him.
But I just think it's a game played by someone who enjoy's trolling and giggles to himself at a group of people whom which give him attention and iota of contemplation. But I do think this is a sick individual (despite duallib being true or not which I don't think it is). The more he is posting the more obvious this becomes and how many times does one have to say "wait and see".
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#171072 - atenzor - Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:37 am
People will decide if they want to work with libdual or libnds.
libdual is not meant to represent some sort of competition, but
just to enable the full features of the DS. I am not saying libnds
doesn't have the full features, but when I saw the contents of
libdual, I see indeed some true library.
#171073 - DiscoStew - Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:20 am
| atenzor wrote: |
I am not saying libnds
doesn't have the full features, but when I saw the contents of
libdual, I see indeed some true library. |
By stating this, you are saying that there is something about libdual that appeals to you that libnds does not. What is it?
You're saying that it isn't meant to compete with libnds, yet exclaim that libdual is superior, and that you hang on to it as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why is that?
If this is for support of your friend, then it can be understood, because you want to see something be successful, but we don't know Mark Bet, and because we have never heard of him, nor have heard from him (except through you), we aren't as ecstatic as you are.
what I will say is that libnds is superior, even without knowing what libdual is capable of. Not because of what libnds can do, but what it is capable of because of the community surrounding it. Everyone here is familiar with libnds, which already gives it a head start, and multiple people are working on it and updating it, whereas libdual is being maintained by one individual.
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#171074 - Dwedit - Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:44 am
This thread is living proof that the board has become unmoderated.
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#171075 - atenzor - Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:41 am
| Dwedit wrote: |
| This thread is living proof that the board has become unmoderated. |
wait at least till it's released, then if you want, lock this thread, I really don't care actually.
#171076 - keldon - Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:57 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| Dwedit wrote: | | This thread is living proof that the board has become unmoderated. |
wait at least till it's released, then if you want, lock this thread, I really don't care actually. |
You've just confirmed that there will be a reason to lock the thread on the first!
| Dwedit wrote: |
| This thread is living proof that the board has become unmoderated. |
I believe snipers are in place waiting for a call from the calendar ^_^
It's a bit of a grey area, this will black list you if you're time wasting again. Atenzor's last post gives good reason to lock the thread until a library is released.
@Atenzor: And you have not answered any of my questions; indicating that this is another scam and you have not changed. There is evidence of a scam from your recent posts in the screenshot from DiscoStew, so I suppose that was all he needed to be certain. Your response to my questions is all I needed to be certain.
I shan't be wasting any more valuable time in this thread!
#171081 - atenzor - Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:59 pm
| keldon wrote: |
I shan't be wasting any more valuable time in this thread! |
Then good riddance.
I am just saying to wait for the release date. Then, when you see that it's true, you can decide if you want to lock this or not, but don't lock it without proof. The proof is coming November 1st anyway.
#171083 - vuurrobin - Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:49 pm
we could also just lock it and reopen it when the library has been released.
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#171084 - DiscoStew - Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:52 pm
[quote="atenzor]but don't lock it without proof.[/quote]
No need to lock it. Just delete it completely. Nothing has been gained since it was created.
I really don't care if it exists or not anymore. The "author" doesn't use forums, as said by atenzor, therefore, how can improvements be made without communication from those using it? Through atenzor, the middle man? The one involved with hacking and scams? Yeah right, good luck on that. If this Mark Bet does make improvements, it will be by him and his decisions on what he wants, not what the community feels is needed.
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#171086 - atenzor - Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:36 am
Well, I didn't say Mark Bet doesn't use forums literally, I mean he just isn't that type of guy. He told me today that he will make a sort of place where people can talk about it and it is not the forums on my site. The forums on my site will be removed and replaced with whatever Mark has planned. Also, he is doing some last checks to the library to make sure
everything is fine for the release. Well, it's almost there! :)
#171101 - vuurrobin - Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:25 am
its the first of november...
now show me the candy.
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#171102 - atenzor - Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:29 am
| vuurrobin wrote: |
its the first of november...
now show me the candy. |
The release is on November 1st, 2009 at 8PM EST. You might not have the good time, just adjust to 8PM EST for your country.
#171103 - SteveH - Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:44 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| vuurrobin wrote: | its the first of november...
now show me the candy. |
The release is on November 1st, 2009 at 8PM EST. You might not have the good time, just adjust to 8PM EST for your country. |
Hang on does Mr Bet work for Valve?
#171104 - atenzor - Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:50 am
| SteveH wrote: |
| atenzor wrote: | | vuurrobin wrote: | its the first of november...
now show me the candy. |
The release is on November 1st, 2009 at 8PM EST. You might not have the good time, just adjust to 8PM EST for your country. |
Hang on does Mr Bet work for Valve? |
No, he worked for Sega (but was uncredited) and now will work for Nintendo.
#171106 - atenzor - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:39 am
Read this for latest update: here!
That is how Mark Bet agreed to share the products, not my idea.
Well, November 1st it is folks! :)
#171107 - DiscoStew - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:58 am
Um, I'm not touching any of that without actual confirmation from Mark Bet and Nintendo of it's legitimacy, and I should hope everyone else here feels that way too. Why? Because this looks to be just like one of your prior scams, which involved illegal use of products. You think we want Nintendo down our throats with anything that can possibly be illegal?
Besides, in order to be an official Nintendo developer, there are requirements, like money, an office, etc., whereas what you are saying to get some official stuff is by "good reason"? Going by the old saying, "If it's too good to be true, then it probably is."
Besides, if even one person got it, what prevents it from being shared? Also, what if we sent Nintendo the web address to your website? What harm would there be if everything there is legitimate?
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#171108 - ritz - Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:56 am
This is lame. Someone delete the entire topic.
#171110 - a128 - Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:01 am
| ritz wrote: |
| This is lame. Someone delete the entire topic. |
More then lame. Agent WinterMute delete this topic now!. You have the license to do that....
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#171111 - sonny_jim - Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:07 am
Delete this topic
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#171112 - keldon - Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:41 am
| atenzor wrote: |
| he worked for Sega |
O RLY? You are aware that even testers have access to a searchable database of current/existing SEGA employees world wide :| Pah!
Goodbye!
p.s. Until Friday 30th I was employed by SI Games (owned by SEGA)
#171113 - vuurrobin - Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:09 am
| Quote: |
| Mark Bet has to make sure you will use the product for a good reason. |
would creating games be a good reason?
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#171114 - Chase-san - Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:34 pm
there is only one word that can accurately describe my feelings about this:
roflcopter
#171116 - wintermute - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:08 pm
Heh, I think most of us were pretty sure how this would turn out.
Amusinngly there are still around 12 hours until the specified release time and the announcement was made on the 31st in EST.
Topic locked, I'll let Simon decide on deleting or not, might be worth leaving for future reference when the next hoax SDK announcement is made :p
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#171117 - SimonB - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:51 pm
Seeing as this was the lamest attempt of a scam I have ever seen, it must be saved for future generations :=)
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