#21585 - keldon - Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:21 pm
Why not have a ds development PayPal account created, and get as many forum users to donate whatever they can towards DS development. On the other end, all those who will work towards documenting the DS hardware can afford to tinker with real hardware.
I'm sure that if we all put a little $5 dollars towards the cause every now and then, we would surely be able to support some real research. And encourage newcomers and floating members to do so aswell.
#21587 - alek - Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:32 pm
That's a great idea!
I would give 5$ to it now and then.
#21588 - dagamer34 - Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:39 pm
Let me get my hands on my DS first, then I'll see...
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#21591 - keldon - Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:54 pm
| dagamer34 wrote: |
| Let me get my hands on my DS first, then I'll see... |
well if we start now, then this money could go towards the DS itself ;)
#21594 - ScottLininger - Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:37 pm
I don't get it. Who gets the DS that this fund purchases?
Also, don't you think it's likely that every single person on this list will be purchasing a DS anyway?
Unless you're suggesting that we buy some units with the intention of physically taking them apart?
#21598 - keldon - Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:35 pm
| ScottLininger wrote: |
I don't get it. Who gets the DS that this fund purchases?
Also, don't you think it's likely that every single person on this list will be purchasing a DS anyway?
Unless you're suggesting that we buy some units with the intention of physically taking them apart? |
Yes, that's the whole point. That way no-one will feel obliged to destroy a perfectly working DS for the good of the community.
#21618 - zazery - Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:39 pm
Sounds fun, I'd definitely put my $5 towards it if it will allow me to develop for the Nintendo DS faster.
What would be involved in taking one apart? Just curious.
#21623 - dagamer34 - Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:26 am
I'll put in $5.01. As long as it doesn't cut into my DS gaming fund (it currently has $0, would you like to contribute?).
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#21624 - ampz - Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:35 am
Why would a DS become destroyed when you take it apart?
#21629 - MumblyJoe - Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:40 am
It's a very good idea, and I encourage everyone who isn't me to chip in some cash.
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#21634 - sgeos - Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:52 am
| ampz wrote: |
| Why would a DS become destroyed when you take it apart? |
Not everyone can put one back together. There are various degrees of taking something apart.
-Brendan
#21644 - keldon - Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:55 am
There is always a risk of damage when you're playing with fire. For example turning off the display outside VBlank on the DMG.
Plus we can also afford some equipment to moniter activity between various components, such as clock speeds, etc.
#21648 - ampz - Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:20 pm
| sgeos wrote: |
| ampz wrote: | | Why would a DS become destroyed when you take it apart? |
Not everyone can put one back together. There are various degrees of taking something apart.
-Brendan |
Well, if you can't put it back together, then chances are low you can RE the hardware :-)
#21708 - keldon - Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:57 am
We will also need to know who here deals with Reverse Engineering, as they will be the ones who will recieve the money to purchase the tools - though they should have some already
#21724 - Zero - Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:46 pm
I think that a certain other market will have it reverse engineered fairly shortly after it's release (maybe a little before).
#21729 - sgeos - Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:03 am
| Zero wrote: |
| I think that a certain other market will have it reverse engineered fairly shortly after it's release (maybe a little before). |
China?
#21813 - alek - Sun Jun 06, 2004 7:57 pm
| keldon wrote: |
| We will also need to know who here deals with Reverse Engineering, as they will be the ones who will recieve the money to purchase the tools - though they should have some already |
Why don't the people who deal with Reverse Engineering and want to get money from this fund to work with the DS present them selves. Since everybody don't know everybody here they can write a small presentation maybe. If there are a lot of people interested we can set up a pole where the people who are going to put money in this fund can vote on which people who gets the money. Why don't we even let people nominate other people. When no more persons present them selves or get nominated we set up the pole if necessary. I nominate dagamer34 to be one of the persons on the DS RE team as tepples calls it =)
#21820 - ampz - Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:24 pm
| alek wrote: |
| keldon wrote: | | We will also need to know who here deals with Reverse Engineering, as they will be the ones who will recieve the money to purchase the tools - though they should have some already |
Why don't the people who deal with Reverse Engineering and want to get money from this fund to work with the DS present them selves. Since everybody don't know everybody here they can write a small presentation maybe. |
Yeah, and why don't we send the presentations to Nintendos lawyers. :)
#21822 - alek - Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:39 pm
| ampz wrote: |
| alek wrote: | | keldon wrote: | | We will also need to know who here deals with Reverse Engineering, as they will be the ones who will recieve the money to purchase the tools - though they should have some already |
Why don't the people who deal with Reverse Engineering and want to get money from this fund to work with the DS present them selves. Since everybody don't know everybody here they can write a small presentation maybe. |
Yeah, and why don't we send the presentations to Nintendos lawyers. :) |
Not with names... Just their background with RE
#21827 - dagamer34 - Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:47 am
| alek wrote: |
| keldon wrote: | | We will also need to know who here deals with Reverse Engineering, as they will be the ones who will recieve the money to purchase the tools - though they should have some already |
Why don't the people who deal with Reverse Engineering and want to get money from this fund to work with the DS present them selves. Since everybody don't know everybody here they can write a small presentation maybe. If there are a lot of people interested we can set up a pole where the people who are going to put money in this fund can vote on which people who gets the money. Why don't we even let people nominate other people. When no more persons present them selves or get nominated we set up the pole if necessary. I nominate dagamer34 to be one of the persons on the DS RE team as tepples calls it =) |
.... I thank you, but umm... just so you know... I'm a 15-year old with no experience in reverse engineering... but I can learn! :) The DS doesn't come out for a few months anyway and I have nothing better to do this summer. I just need someone to point me in the right direction...
Why did you nominate me anyway? I was only going to pledge $5.01. That's not much at all!
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#21832 - alek - Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:39 am
| dagamer34 wrote: |
| Let me get my hands on my DS first, then I'll see... |
| dagamer34 wrote: |
| Let me go save up my money to buy a DS first, then I'll try to help. Good thing I'm number 6!!! |
You seemed so keen on doing this so I thought you knew a thing or two about it
#21839 - dagamer34 - Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:42 pm
| alek wrote: |
| dagamer34 wrote: | | Let me get my hands on my DS first, then I'll see... |
| dagamer34 wrote: | | Let me go save up my money to buy a DS first, then I'll try to help. Good thing I'm number 6!!! |
You seemed so keen on doing this so I thought you knew a thing or two about it |
False advertising is everywhere these days.
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#21849 - alek - Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:41 pm
| dagamer34 wrote: |
False advertising is everywhere these days. |
=)
Yeah, I got to stop being so gullible and believe everything I read =)
#22176 - ZeroX - Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:35 am
I am a third year electronic engineering student, so I know a little about RE. I was wondering, how do I join the DS RE team? I could help. I would definately prefer RE'ing some hardware other than teaching physics at school during the semester holidays.
#22177 - sgeos - Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:09 am
| ZeroX wrote: |
| I am a third year electronic engineering student, so I know a little about RE. I was wondering, how do I join the DS RE team? I could help. I would definately prefer RE'ing some hardware other than teaching physics at school during the semester holidays. |
Sounds like you might be the RE team, or at least the start of it.
-Brendan
#22178 - ZeroX - Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:38 am
You mean there isnt one? Well, you give me too much credit, i've never RE'd a console before. The only thing I've ever RE'd was my remote control car, and by the time i figured it out, it was damaged beyond repair. But thats because i'm not rich, i can't afford a proper equipment and the U wont let me use their labs for private purposes. Imagine what would happen to a brand new DS, even if i could afford it. The idea of a team pooling resources would be great. Those who have done this before could help. But come to think of it, RE'ing the DS looks like a nightmare. It has (correct me if I'm wrong) 2 screens, 2 CPU's, and I'm thinking those 2 CPU's can work together at the same time(correct me if I'm wrong again), just like the dual screens. Anyway, does the ARM9 CPU have a 64-bit architecture?
#22186 - ampz - Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:14 pm
No, ARM9 is 32bit.
There are four or five possible DS code entry points to RE.
1: The DS cart interface. (possibly encrypted)
2: The Wifi multiboot interface. (definitely encrypted)
3: The GBA cart interface. (unlikely that DS code can be loaded from this interface)
4: The BIOS. (if the BIOS is external, like in the GC. Most likely encrypted)
5: The SDRAM bus. (60-70 data, address and control lines, horror, horror...)
My U let me use the equipment for personal uses. Especially if I don't tell anyone ;-)
#22197 - ZeroX - Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:48 pm
Hi ampz.
So, there are 5 possible code entry points. What about the GBA multiboot interface? I mean the 6-pin connector. Is it replaced by the Wi-fi interface? That means you can only link your GBA game with another DS? And, how large is the SDRAM?
#22207 - ampz - Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:44 pm
All thoose questions have already been answered in this forum.
#22228 - dagamer34 - Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:57 am
| ZeroX wrote: |
Hi ampz.
So, there are 5 possible code entry points. What about the GBA multiboot interface? I mean the 6-pin connector. Is it replaced by the Wi-fi interface? That means you can only link your GBA game with another DS? And, how large is the SDRAM? |
From the pics of the DS on the net, there is no link port. It has been removed. So multibooting is most likely out of the picture. Probably if the GBA Wireless Adapter is similar to the DS's WiFi or Nintendo Wireless protocol, then it would be a lot easier to RE since we would have a headstart on it.
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#22649 - Leo - Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:30 am
well if u are doing an emulator for DS i don't mind giving a few bucks even i got con because at least i know somebody is thinking of an DS emulator now....
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#25070 - gb_feedback - Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:28 pm
ampz: what about jtag? I know some arm cpus have this, but I never got so far as to find out if they all do; and/or if the (eg) GBA does. But my company does a fair bit of work accessing devices using jtag...
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#25071 - ampz - Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:40 pm
There is no JTAG port on the GBA. I doubt the DS will have one since a JTAG port would circumvent all Nintendo's encryption and copy protection stuff.
#25073 - gb_feedback - Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:56 pm
figures...oh well
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#25074 - Two9A - Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:41 pm
Someone's willing to pay towards development of a DS emulator?
Well, I'm making a start on one (a GBA emu right now, really), so do I get paid? :)
#25079 - keldon - Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:04 pm
I thought you were working on the DS core??!?
#25080 - Two9A - Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:21 pm
Er. If by DS core you mean ARM9 cpu core, then not yet. I gotta get an ARM7 working first, then I can expand it.
#25100 - keldon - Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:36 pm
oh right
#25142 - mymateo - Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:08 am
IFF and when there is a DS RE team, I've got five bucks with their name on it. The sooner we can all dev for the DS, the better.