#24127 - Gabriel - Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:21 am
I know this doesn't really fit in with DS development, but Robert Miller at Gamecube Advanced has shown the final design and name (Nintendo DS) or the new handheld.
Link: http://www.gcadvanced.com/article.php?artid=2847
It actually looks great! Way better than the prototype!
#24128 - FluBBa - Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:10 am
Looks sweet, thay have also moved the Select and Start button closer to the other action buttons so they are easier to use as "in game" buttons, nice.
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#24136 - SimonB - Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:18 am
And looks like stereo sound without the need for earphones. Oh and just as I thought, they will stick with the DS name. yay.
Simon
#24142 - foog - Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:56 pm
looks awesome! glad to see they made a few design changes.... it looked like a gbasp on crack before, now it looks like a new system. still would like to see a size comparison w/ the gbasp though.... oh, well guess ill have to wait a wee bit before then.
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#24147 - zazery - Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:38 pm
Wow they really put a lot of work in the design now. Ever since I saw those 2 indents from the first DS design beside the monitor, I thought that stereo speakers would go perfect there. It seems like Nintendo read my mind.
#24154 - Abscissa - Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:32 pm
Ooooh! Now it's sexy like the PSP, Me like. :)
#24155 - DekuTree64 - Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:37 pm
The only complaint I have is that huge power button sticking up right above the control pad. Don't you think that would be awfully easy to hit by accident? The new start and select are definitely better, but I think they should have kept the power button the old size.
Still, it's much prettier now, and yay for stereo!
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#24159 - mymateo - Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:35 pm
All I can say is that Nintendo has restored my faith. I was NOT looking forward to getting the design they used for the preview system. I mean, I've known (as far as one can know based on unofficial information) for a while that the design would go under some changes, but this is SA-WEET!
Hmmm...
Now, does anybody know if there are pics showing off the back or the bottom?
#24164 - dagamer34 - Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:06 pm
Wow, no longer is the DS an "ugly" looking system. I wonder if the D-pad is more like the GBA than it is with the SP, because playing a fighting game with a SP is horrible.
Still no pictures of the back of the unit or where to keep the stylus...
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#24167 - Touchstone - Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:51 pm
I can't wait to play the new Zelda on that thingomagick.
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#24174 - Zero - Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:27 pm
wow, i think that is sexier than the psp.
#24178 - Gramps - Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:18 am
| DekuTree64 wrote: |
| The only complaint I have is that huge power button sticking up right above the control pad. Don't you think that would be awfully easy to hit by accident? |
That most likely will not be a problem. Alot of PDAs and such have similiar buttons, and you have to hold them down for a few seconds to turn them off. Also, Nintendo has mentioned about sleep mode and such, so one could probably deduce that you may have a series of taps on the power button (off, sleep, standby) or you may have to hold another button at the same time to power down. With the obvious time and effort that Nintendo has put into this project, I am sure they have thought of this problem well before hand.
#24179 - Abscissa - Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:35 am
| Gramps wrote: |
| DekuTree64 wrote: | | The only complaint I have is that huge power button sticking up right above the control pad. Don't you think that would be awfully easy to hit by accident? |
That most likely will not be a problem. Alot of PDAs and such have similiar buttons, and you have to hold them down for a few seconds to turn them off. Also, Nintendo has mentioned about sleep mode and such, so one could probably deduce that you may have a series of taps on the power button (off, sleep, standby) or you may have to hold another button at the same time to power down. With the obvious time and effort that Nintendo has put into this project, I am sure they have thought of this problem well before hand. |
Ick. I hope they stick with a power switch and stay far, far away from any PS2-style power cuttons (...*shudder*...)
Now that I'm over the cool look, I'm left with one worry: I *HOPE* it won't be as painful (physically) to hold and use as the GBA. (Ouch, my fingers feel all cramped just thinking about it...)
#24196 - foog - Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:36 pm
yeah the original gba killed my left thumb..... i guess i was pressing down too hard, but i cant help it when im playin sonic. i really hope they get those l and r buttons figured out. on both the sp and the original they felt cheap.
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#24226 - benjamin - Fri Jul 30, 2004 2:18 am
I guess I can gloat because I have been complaining about how FUGLY the DS appeared to be at the E3 this past May.
#24227 - dagamer34 - Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:10 am
| benjamin wrote: |
| I guess I can gloat because I have been complaining about how FUGLY the DS appeared to be at the E3 this past May. |
FUGLY? Is that a word?
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#24228 - foog - Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:59 am
i quote the simpsons-
"I've been called ugly, fugly, pug-ugly, pug-fugly, but never ugly ugly...."
-Moe
if moe says it, it must be true...
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#24229 - dagamer34 - Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:35 am
| foog wrote: |
i quote the simpsons-
"I've been called ugly, fugly, pug-ugly, pug-fugly, but never ugly ugly...."
-Moe
if moe says it, it must be true... |
Can't argue with Moe! :)
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#24258 - Dracula-X - Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:07 pm
Though I was worried about the prior design, I have to say I'm quite pleased to see the new design of the DS (relieved might be a better word) :) Personally I think the psp still takes the cake in design, but Nintendo has responded with a design that will now hold its own !
More importantly however, the next few years in handheld gaming should be very exciting - there is worthy competition and that means more games for everyone, whatever side of the fence you happen to be on. I will purchase both the DS and PSP of course, and I hope both fare well, because as I stated above, more healthy competition will give us more exciting new games (a strong competitor makes it less likely to resort to making the handheld a dumping ground for old and stale remakes - I'm sure we will see a few, but hopefully not many)
DX
#24272 - Gramps - Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:12 am
| Dracula-X wrote: |
I will purchase both the DS and PSP of course, ........
DX |
I find it very interesting when people say that they will purchase both systems. Are you made of money? First off neither company has indicated an official price for either system, but let's average it out, based on the rumors - say $500 plus tax for both systems together. Then you still need to purchase games. Lets say $100 - 1 good game for each system. So now your up to $600 plus tax. You must have an awfully good job!
Listen, I'm not saying you can't do it, and you did make some other good points which I took out of the quote. However, let's be realistic. MOST PEOPLE will not purchase both systems, but WILL MAKE A CHOICE on one or the other, and invest their money there.
I know, alot of people who have two consoles, but they were not purchased at the same time, they were purchased over years or shared between roomates, siblings, whatever.
Anyways, let's be fair, it's fine and dandy to say "I'll buy both Systems" , but lets be realistic. YOU will probably choose one system and then down the road, MAYBE, purchase the other!
LET"S HEAR WHAT YOUR FIRST CHOICE IS! And quit sitting on the fence!
#24273 - sgeos - Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:57 am
| Gramps wrote: |
| LET"S HEAR WHAT YOUR FIRST CHOICE IS! And quit sitting on the fence! |
I'll buy neither system at first. I'll buy the first system that pushes out a game I really want. I guess that is just another kind of sitting on the fence.
-Brendan
#24275 - DiscoStew - Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:49 am
Unless you have the money to be able to get both system with games for each, either forget buying both or live on a Ramen diet for a while (not that that may help much). :p
Other than Square games, games on Nintendo's systems have been more enjoyable to me, so the DS will be my top choice of the two. My older brother plans to get a PSP, so at sometime we could borrow each other's system for a bit to try them out. Aren't siblings wonderful?
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#24294 - Gramps - Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:02 am
| sgeos wrote: |
| Gramps wrote: | | LET"S HEAR WHAT YOUR FIRST CHOICE IS! And quit sitting on the fence! |
I'll buy neither system at first. I'll buy the first system that pushes out a game I really want. I guess that is just another kind of sitting on the fence.
-Brendan |
That's not sitting on the fence. THAT is an honest answer! Hear! Hear! No bull crap in that answer. You are quite clearly stating that you are interested in the system that provides the games you find enjoyable! Not the system with glitz or gimmicks, but the system that will be most fun for you!!
Thanks for a straight honest answer, Brendan!
#24296 - foog - Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:54 am
i'll purchase both. i do believe that there will be enough time in between handhelds for me to gather up the money to purchase both....and maybe a zodiac, lol. i'm not made of money, but i do have a job. i want the psp for metal gear solid and the bells n' whistles, but the ds for mario and the new gameplay cababilities i have seen in its preview games... easy enough. i've got plans if the ds is region free ill just go ahead and import that w/ a game.... i did the same thing w/ the xbox and gamecube, but i didnt have the delay between systems like i have w/ these (i predict!), but i still managed to get both the xbox and gc on launch day...
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#24297 - DiscoStew - Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:17 am
| foog wrote: |
i've got plans if the ds is region free ill just go ahead and import that w/ a game[url]
I thought it was said that they would release the DS in Japan and USA simultaneously, but if you aren't from either one, then go with the importing. I believe it will be in early 2005 for Europe.[/url] |
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#24298 - foog - Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:30 am
wow, didnt know that thanks discostew! didnt expect N to do anything like that for the USA...
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#24307 - sgeos - Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:56 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| or live on a Ramen diet for a while (not that that may help much). :p |
My case is down to two packs (mushroom flavor). I'll need to pick up more.
-Brendan
#24311 - Dracula-X - Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:50 am
| Gramps wrote: |
I find it very interesting when people say that they will purchase both systems. Are you made of money? First off neither company has indicated an official price for either system, but let's average it out, based on the rumors - say $500 plus tax for both systems together. Then you still need to purchase games. Lets say $100 - 1 good game for each system. So now your up to $600 plus tax. You must have an awfully good job!
Listen, I'm not saying you can't do it, and you did make some other good points which I took out of the quote. However, let's be realistic. MOST PEOPLE will not purchase both systems, but WILL MAKE A CHOICE on one or the other, and invest their money there.
I know, alot of people who have two consoles, but they were not purchased at the same time, they were purchased over years or shared between roomates, siblings, whatever.
|
I am not made out of money. I've been busting my ass since highschool to get jobs to buy the games I wanted back then - and today, like most adults, I have a job and a normal one at that. Purchasing both handhelds is not an issue at this point in time. There is (and has been) time to set aside money. What most people will do has nothing to do with my statement that I will purchase both handhelds. Nintendo and Sony have given me exclusive quality games I've enjoyed playing over the years, and so I intend to support both platforms.
| Quote: |
Anyways, let's be fair, it's fine and dandy to say "I'll buy both Systems" , but lets be realistic. YOU will probably choose one system and then down the road, MAYBE, purchase the other!
LET"S HEAR WHAT YOUR FIRST CHOICE IS! And quit sitting on the fence!
|
You have any more details of my life planned out that I should know about?
DX
#24330 - Gramps - Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:33 pm
Quit sucking DRACX, you still didn't answer clearly, you just got upset and cried waaaa!. I'm not your mommy so give it a break.
The point that I was making was that everyone is mouthing off how they will purchase both systems. Easy to say when your pockets are empty and your just shooting the shit.
IF you are a hard core gamer - WHICH IT APPEARS that you are - If I read correctly through all the crap. Then Hear! hear! You probably save all your money for your hobby, and that is great. I salute you! THEN SAY SO! Don't be like the rest of the sheep. In the future, it is guys like you that will be able to give a honest comparison of both systems. You will have first hand - long term test - to use them both.
I on the other hand, am a casual gamer, I will choose one system, probably the DS. I probably could afford both systems without saving, but it is unlikely that I will purchase both.
In closing, the point that I was making was, don't just be like the rest of the teeny boppers and younger who don't work for their purchases and still rely on mommy and daddy, and say I will get both. State why, how, ect...
Anyways, you just happened to be the one, who's post I chose, it was nothing personal. (and you probably will buy one first then the other down the road, since they come out at different times)
#24333 - Abscissa - Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:07 pm
| Gramps wrote: |
| Quit sucking DRACX, you still didn't answer clearly, you just got upset and cried waaaa!. I'm not your mommy so give it a break. |
Whoa, chill! Down boy!
#24337 - Dracula-X - Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:22 pm
| Gramps wrote: |
| Quit sucking DRACX, you still didn't answer clearly, you just got upset and cried waaaa!. I'm not your mommy so give it a break. |
That gave me a good chuckle. I'm not upset nor am I crying. You're the one with the liar liar pants on fire syndrome, which is quite fascinating given the board we're in and that I've given no reason to be dishonest about what I intend to do.
| Quote: |
| The point that I was making was that everyone is mouthing off how they will purchase both systems. Easy to say when your pockets are empty and your just shooting the shit. |
Personally I've rarely seen people say they intend to buy both the ds and psp. To the contrary, I've seen people quickly polarize, support one console, and bash the other to feel good about themselves and their (intended) purchase. This is the behavior I've typically seen through the years since the amiga/st, nes/sms, snes/genny days.
| Quote: |
IF you are a hard core gamer - WHICH IT APPEARS that you are - If I read correctly through all the crap. Then Hear! hear! You probably save all your money for your hobby, and that is great. I salute you! THEN SAY SO! Don't be like the rest of the sheep. In the future, it is guys like you that will be able to give a honest comparison of both systems. You will have first hand - long term test - to use them both.
I on the other hand, am a casual gamer, I will choose one system, probably the DS. I probably could afford both systems without saving, but it is unlikely that I will purchase both.
In closing, the point that I was making was, don't just be like the rest of the teeny boppers and younger who don't work for their purchases and still rely on mommy and daddy, and say I will get both. State why, how, ect...
Anyways, you just happened to be the one, who's post I chose, it was nothing personal. (and you probably will buy one first then the other down the road, since they come out at different times) |
I'm far too old to be a teeny bopper. I've been writing games since the commodore 64 era, and that might give you a clue to my age bracket. I've likely been around longer than many here have existed. I'm also here because this is a developer board (last I checked), or is it a playground for casual gamers only? (Pfff... And I wonder why my colleagues fuck off from public developer boards)
I'll entertain ya, porkchops:
Why: I like the games both Sony and Nintendo have given me throughout the years. I've worked on some of these very same consoles. Call me greedy, but I'd like to have the best of both worlds. My company may develop for both so that leaves me no choice but to get acquainted with both anyway. (at this point in time we do not have plans to develop for DS, but that will likely change)
How: I have a job. I can afford both (simultaneously, if need be!). Good lawd have mercy!
Favorite Color: Green
Turn Ons: Sexy new game consoles.
Turn Offs: Whippersnappers.
DX
#24338 - Daniel Andersen - Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:18 pm
| Dracula-X wrote: |
Turn Offs: Whippersnappers.
|
Ditto! :)
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#24348 - Miked0801 - Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:42 pm
Lol - welcome gramps ;)
Of course I justed turned 30 today so I'm stating to get up there myself.
Personally, my (families) extra income has been either going towards buying diapers or towards buying investment properties. Games just don't gain in value like a nice 3/1/1 house :)
#24350 - dagamer34 - Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:08 pm
| Miked0801 wrote: |
Lol - welcome gramps ;)
Of course I justed turned 30 today so I'm stating to get up there myself.
Personally, my (families) extra income has been either going towards buying diapers or towards buying investment properties. Games just don't gain in value like a nice 3/1/1 house :) |
It depends on how long you have the game. And it isn't opened at all (meaning, you'll probably want to buy 2). Who knows, in 30 years, you can sell a new, unopened game to some sucker on eBay and make a fortune off of it!!
Assuming the game isn't ported anyway... :)
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#24355 - Gramps - Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:47 am
ok DRACX, my apoligies, maybe I forgot where I was. I have been spending some time recently on different forums, where there are alot of teeny boppers, who are saying that they will buy both systems, ect, ect..
I'm not going to hash this one out, and it wasn't intended as a liar, liar pants on fire thing. I'm sorry.
I probably just came from one of those other forums and forgot I was on a developers forum that is mostly older people (am I making another assumption?)
I really haven't done alot of programming, but am interested in possibly doing some GBA/DS hobby development. I started here and then went trolling on some other forums to getting a wider perspective of things. I guess in the process I lost mine.
By the way - wish I still was even close to whippersnapper age!
If you look at my first post - I did say you made some good points - maybe I should not have left those out and elaborated more. The PSP is a very stylish and slick design. Nintendo did come back with a design that should hold its own, and I too, also believe that there may be some healthy competition, which can only be a good thing. In fact, this should stimulate the video game business and help to push gaming forward. And by casual gamer, I ment that I prefer games that are a little more fun and a little less involved then some off the games which require time spent relative to a second job. If you want to continue pursuing this way of posting, I also can humor you, but I prefer to dwell in more positive areas. (The second post was supposed to be complimenting.)
Sorry, if it came off the wrong way and that I pursued it in a follow-up post. No hard feelings I hope. That wasn't my intention in the first place. I am more interested in having fun - Life is to short.
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#24358 - Zero - Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:37 am
the ds new design is so sexy people are randomly breaking out in fights...
or maybe this is more of that ds stress....
#24359 - sgeos - Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:38 am
| Gramps wrote: |
| I probably just came from one of those other forums and forgot I was on a developers forum that is mostly older people (am I making another assumption?) |
My guess is that the average age is of participants is about 25 y/o +- 3 years.
-Brendan
#24360 - Gramps - Mon Aug 02, 2004 5:43 am
| Zero wrote: |
the ds new design is so sexy people are randomly breaking out in fights...
or maybe this is more of that ds stress.... |
Yes, your probably right - IT PROBABLY IS DS-STRESS!!!
It's a bitch when there are new systems around the corner that should push forward gaming development and yet they seem so far away.
We should all try to dwell on the positive things and I apologize to everyone for a short bout of DS-STRESS!
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#24379 - dagamer34 - Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:34 pm
| sgeos wrote: |
| Gramps wrote: | | I probably just came from one of those other forums and forgot I was on a developers forum that is mostly older people (am I making another assumption?) |
My guess is that the average age is of participants is about 25 y/o +- 3 years.
-Brendan |
Hmmm.... well, I certainly don't fit in THAT category. :)
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#24386 - Dracula-X - Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:22 pm
| Gramps wrote: |
| I'm not going to hash this one out, and it wasn't intended as a liar, liar pants on fire thing. I'm sorry. |
No worries, Gramps. It's all good. :)
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| I probably just came from one of those other forums and forgot I was on a developers forum that is mostly older people (am I making another assumption?) |
There are plenty of youngsters here, too. The range is wide, but more importantly, the focus is development & fun :)
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| I really haven't done alot of programming, but am interested in possibly doing some GBA/DS hobby development. I started here and then went trolling on some other forums to getting a wider perspective of things. I guess in the process I lost mine. |
Well, you came to the right place. There are *extremely* bright and helpful people on this board, both young & older alike, and you will get help with whatever you need in your endeavors.
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| By the way - wish I still was even close to whippersnapper age! |
That makes two of us. :)
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| If you look at my first post - I did say you made some good points - maybe I should not have left those out and elaborated more. The PSP is a very stylish and slick design. Nintendo did come back with a design that should hold its own, and I too, also believe that there may be some healthy competition, which can only be a good thing. In fact, this should stimulate the video game business and help to push gaming forward. And by casual gamer, I ment that I prefer games that are a little more fun and a little less involved then some off the games which require time spent relative to a second job. If you want to continue pursuing this way of posting, I also can humor you, but I prefer to dwell in more positive areas. (The second post was supposed to be complimenting.) |
Yeah, I tend to stay positive about new consoles, and I do honestly think we're in for some good gaming. Even though Nintendo has abolished the competition in the handheld arena, I'm not convinced yet they'll be able to pull it off this time (nor will they lose, either) - and this isn't a bad thing at all. They can duke it out, and in the end developers and publishers will have to fight hard for consumer dollars. More games for all of us. More jobs for developers. Everybody wins. (Maybe foolish thinking, maybe not, we'll find out soon enough anyway) :)
| Quote: |
| Sorry, if it came off the wrong way and that I pursued it in a follow-up post. No hard feelings I hope. That wasn't my intention in the first place. I am more interested in having fun - Life is to short. |
No problems, Gramps. It's cool. I hope you get around to some developing too - the more the merrier :)
DX
#24394 - Gramps - Mon Aug 02, 2004 11:56 pm
DracX, Still interested in what you think the strong points of each system are.
When I originally posted, I probably should have said something like - "Yes - but what system would you pick first, most people won't buy both no matter what they say. They will pick one over the other"
I really, really like the PSP. I like and own some Sony products. However, one of the products I have is a Sony Clie PDA. It is okay, but just okay, and I am not impressed with the life of the rechargeable lithium battery, at all. The PDA has no moving parts inside and battery life is kinda lousy. This, in my mind is a really big issue with a portable device, regardless of price. So as much as I think the PSP is very sweet, I have some real concerns about battery life and price (of course). Smaller issues would be durability, price of software and Sony's memory sticks.
The DS, although technically less powerful, has big fun factor written all over it, with no real concerns about battery life, durability, and price (I hope) due to Nintendos track record with handhelds. And of course backwards capabilities don't hurt them by any means. I also haven't even mentioned the new innovations put into the thing, that make it stand out and open a whole new realm of possibilities. However, Nintendo, in my mind has always had a drawback due to their tendency to stick soley to their own special hardware contections and priopietary software (not sure I am explaining myself clearly here - hope you can understand what I am getting at)
So if it isn't obvious, I am leaning heavily towards the DS, although I am keep my eyes and hopes on the PSP, if at the very least to help drive the gaming industry forward. I believe strongly that handheld portability is the future and if what these companies are presenting bodes well, it will untangle us from the cables that currently tie us to our tv's in years to come.
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#24395 - mymateo - Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:23 am
No sitting on the fence here. I have not been interested in any Sony consoles since I got into N64, and then I kinda just hummed and hawed between the two. The only reason I keep my PSOne around is to play DDR. I do NOT like the PSP's design, I especially don't like the lack of something to cover the screen.
I much prefer the design of the DS, and I have always been a big fan of Nintendo's line of consoles. The only N console I never got to try was the VirtualBoy, and from what I hear, I'm not missing ANYthing.
There will be no BS here, I have no plans of buying a PSP, and I have ALREADY paid for my DS, $340 CDN plus change. I am not rich, I used my mastercard. I will pay dearly in interest if I don't pay it off, and I can barely afford to get a game, so I hope the price comes down and I get some credit. If not, I will probably bite the bullet and get a game when I pick up my DS, but ONLY if there is a good game. As far as I know, there might not be games at release, but since that is a f**king retarded thing for Nintendo to do, I imagine there will be some.
Cut and dried, I am DS all the way. Plus, I'm hoping to dev for the DS, and I'm hoping that it's similar in the 2D aspect to programming for BGA.
My favorite color is blue, except when it's red or green. But not yellow. Nothing against yellow, except what has it done for me lately?
#24400 - dagamer34 - Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:18 am
| mymateo wrote: |
No sitting on the fence here. I have not been interested in any Sony consoles since I got into N64, and then I kinda just hummed and hawed between the two. The only reason I keep my PSOne around is to play DDR. I do NOT like the PSP's design, I especially don't like the lack of something to cover the screen.
I much prefer the design of the DS, and I have always been a big fan of Nintendo's line of consoles. The only N console I never got to try was the VirtualBoy, and from what I hear, I'm not missing ANYthing.
There will be no BS here, I have no plans of buying a PSP, and I have ALREADY paid for my DS, $340 CDN plus change. I am not rich, I used my mastercard. I will pay dearly in interest if I don't pay it off, and I can barely afford to get a game, so I hope the price comes down and I get some credit. If not, I will probably bite the bullet and get a game when I pick up my DS, but ONLY if there is a good game. As far as I know, there might not be games at release, but since that is a f**king retarded thing for Nintendo to do, I imagine there will be some.
Cut and dried, I am DS all the way. Plus, I'm hoping to dev for the DS, and I'm hoping that it's similar in the 2D aspect to programming for BGA.
My favorite color is blue, except when it's red or green. But not yellow. Nothing against yellow, except what has it done for me lately? |
How do you pay off something you don't even know the price of? I find that odd. You could have just pre-ordered it instead.
And what's the conversion rate of a U.S. dollar to a Canadian one?
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#24408 - Gramps - Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:45 am
| dagamer34 wrote: |
| mymateo wrote: | | ... and I have ALREADY paid for my DS, $340 CDN plus change. I am not rich, I used my mastercard. I will pay dearly in interest if I don't pay it off, and I can barely afford to get a game, so I hope the price comes down and I get some credit. If not, ... |
How do you pay off something you don't even know the price of? I find that odd. You could have just pre-ordered it instead.
And what's the conversion rate of a U.S. dollar to a Canadian one? |
You have the option at some stores in Canada to put money down (as little as $10, some places) on a DS or pay the current list price - $340 - this is not the actual price but a speculated one. The store will refund you the difference when the official price is annouced and you receive your DS. I know it sounds absurd, but $340 is about what they have the pre-order price at right now in Canada.
Currently, the US dollar equals about $1.25 - $1.30 Canadian, give or take due to flucuations in the market. If you do the math, that doesn't work out either if you consider a $199.00 US pre-order price I have seen on websites for US stores. (works out to about $245 Canadian I think)
Just more craziness in the anticipation of new hardware to come out!!!
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#24428 - tepples - Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:47 pm
| Gramps wrote: |
| However, Nintendo, in my mind has always had a drawback due to their tendency to stick soley to their own special hardware contections and priopietary software |
Just about every video game published for any console is proprietary software. Do you seriously think Nintendo or any other console maker will publish its flagship titles as free software?
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| I believe strongly that handheld portability is the future and if what these companies are presenting bodes well, it will untangle us from the cables that currently tie us to our tv's in years to come. |
And make it at least twice as expensive to play games. Remember that an extra handheld is much more expensive than an extra controller for a TV based console, especially when kids come over just to play Super Smash Bros. Melee and WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Games. In fact, a GBA SP costs as much as a GameCube. Finally, some game genres just don't work on a handheld system; for instance, nobody wants to constantly step out of the way of the cord between a handheld and the floormat when playing one of the Dance Dance Revolution games or an emulated NES Power Pad game.
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#24430 - dagamer34 - Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:50 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Gramps wrote: | | However, Nintendo, in my mind has always had a drawback due to their tendency to stick soley to their own special hardware contections and priopietary software |
Just about every video game published for any console is proprietary software. Do you seriously think Nintendo or any other console maker will publish its flagship titles as free software?
| Quote: | | I believe strongly that handheld portability is the future and if what these companies are presenting bodes well, it will untangle us from the cables that currently tie us to our tv's in years to come. |
And make it at least twice as expensive to play games. Remember that an extra handheld is much more expensive than an extra controller for a TV based console, especially when kids come over just to play Super Smash Bros. Melee and WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Games. In fact, a GBA SP costs as much as a GameCube. Finally, some game genres just don't work on a handheld system; for instance, nobody wants to step out of the way of the cord between a handheld and the floormat when playing Dance Dance Revolution or an emulated NES Power Pad game. |
I can just imagine DDR on the DS, with your index and middle finger as the legs. lol. :)
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#24437 - Gramps - Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:50 pm
| dagamer34 wrote: |
| tepples wrote: | | Gramps wrote: | | However, Nintendo, in my mind has always had a drawback due to their tendency to stick soley to their own special hardware contections and priopietary software |
Just about every video game published for any console is proprietary software. Do you seriously think Nintendo or any other console maker will publish its flagship titles as free software?
| Quote: | | I believe strongly that handheld portability is the future and if what these companies are presenting bodes well, it will untangle us from the cables that currently tie us to our tv's in years to come. |
And make it at least twice as expensive to play games. Remember that an extra handheld is much more expensive than an extra controller for a TV based console, especially when kids come over just to play Super Smash Bros. Melee and WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Games. In fact, a GBA SP costs as much as a GameCube. Finally, some game genres just don't work on a handheld system; for instance, nobody wants to step out of the way of the cord between a handheld and the floormat when playing Dance Dance Revolution or an emulated NES Power Pad game. |
I can just imagine DDR on the DS, with your index and middle finger as the legs. lol. :) |
I am not familiar with the DDR game.
What I ment by priopietary software/hardware was Nintendo has been the most guarded with their products compared to other companies. This obviously is the nature of the business. However it is easier on PS1/2 and XBOX to copy, ect... Nintendo has made sure that even if you crack their code you don't have disks available for copying too! Even cable conections are unusual, so you must purchase their stuff. I am not condoning pirating. I am talking about using standard equip., ect..
I am kinda finding it hard to explain, what I mean, but maybe a comparison between the PSP and the DS will help. Although different they both essential have the ability to do some things the same. EG. - play music files. Sony will offer you memory sticks to do this and will actually pursue this avenue for profit. Nintendo, on the other hand will not pursue this, nor are they likely to make it easy for you to pursue this on your own, even though essentially it is possible on the DS. It is more or less just an observation. In the post I ment this as a very minor point.
As far as handheld portablility goes - I still stand by my statement. Although, price and certian harware applications are valid arguements at this time. I still believe the future will prove different and in the future, new hardware will allow more options, in terms of what you can do and where you can do it, at comparable prices.(it is only twice as expensive today - in the future it could possibly be cheaper) Wires? - yes they are a problem, but many industries are vigourously pursing wireless options, that are reliable for the future. I don't think we can look at old sytems of doing things and current handhelds and say that it is not possible in the future. There was a time when flying was not possible either, until someone invented an airplane, and even then it took some time for the technology to develop and to continue to develop.
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#24438 - tepples - Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:04 pm
DDR involves stepping on panels on half of a 6 foot by 3 foot platform at the precise time that upward moving arrows cross the arrow-shaped holes at the top of the screen. (Pictures | Gameplay videos)
Obviously, such a large controller combined with such large movements of the human body probably wouldn't work well with a handheld game system.
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#24447 - Miked0801 - Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:31 pm
DDR = Dance Dance Revolution. I just figured it out myself from teh description... :)
#24448 - Miked0801 - Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:33 pm
BTW, if you like that game, you should check out Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets or Sorc Stone (GBC versions.) We basically put that game into both of them and they are indeed a blast to play :)
#24468 - Gramps - Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:53 am
| tepples wrote: |
DDR involves stepping on panels on half of a 6 foot by 3 foot platform at the precise time that upward moving arrows cross the arrow-shaped holes at the top of the screen. (Pictures | Gameplay videos)
Obviously, such a large controller combined with such large movements of the human body probably wouldn't work well with a handheld game system. |
AH YES! - now I remember. I have seen this game in a couple of arcades and I think on an episode of "Malcolm in the MIddle"
I have seen some technolgy that actually could make this work with a portable/handheld setup, however it is still very much in a development stage, and I would imagine would be quite expensive to impliment for a number of years yet.
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#24492 - dagamer34 - Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:53 pm
| tepples wrote: |
DDR involves stepping on panels on half of a 6 foot by 3 foot platform at the precise time that upward moving arrows cross the arrow-shaped holes at the top of the screen. (Pictures | Gameplay videos)
Obviously, such a large controller combined with such large movements of the human body probably wouldn't work well with a handheld game system. |
I said that your index and middle fingers would represent your legs. It would be kind of fun. And the top screen would show what needs to be pressed, the bottom touch screen would kind of represent the game pad.
That would be a cool idea.
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#24503 - DiscoStew - Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:00 pm
Wouldn't that require that the touch-screen be capable of receiving input from more than one place on the screen? Even if you didn't press with both fingers at the same time, unless it can read multiple places at one time, the input would read from the first press until it was released. Just something I noticed on my iPAQ.
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#24511 - ampz - Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:06 pm
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| Wouldn't that require that the touch-screen be capable of receiving input from more than one place on the screen? Even if you didn't press with both fingers at the same time, unless it can read multiple places at one time, the input would read from the first press until it was released. Just something I noticed on my iPAQ. |
While it is true that you can only press one point on a touch-screen at a time, most touch-screens I know of returns a kind-of averaged value if you press more than one point, so while it is not possible to detect the exact position of the two points, it might be possible to use the "averaged" value to determine which fingers are currently pressing the screen.
On another topic... There is no picture of the back of the DS. Will it have a GBA-compatible link port or not?
#24517 - DiscoStew - Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:31 pm
If that is true with the average point of two or more points, then it could be done, since if one finger were to press on the screen, it's location could be stored, and if the other finger is pressed onto the screen, then it would take the average between the two.
Example: 2 presses, one on the left, and one on the right. Both are to be pressed. The first finger presses on the left. It's location is stored. Now in order to get input cooresponding to the right side, with the left pressed, it would be looking for some value right in the middle of the two, or center. The 2nd figer presses on the right. The average of the 2 is done, equaling the middle. Therefore in order to get 1 left press and 1 right press, it would have to read a location on the left side, and in the middle, or one on the right and in the middle (if the right side is pressed first).
Seems simple to me now. =)
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#24566 - Mr. Ploppy - Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:11 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| If that is true with the average point of two or more points, then it could be done, since if one finger were to press on the screen, it's location could be stored, and if the other finger is pressed onto the screen, then it would take the average between the two. |
But how would you be able to tell when there was a single point, and when you are getting an average? As opposed to simply moving the finger...
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#24567 - DiscoStew - Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:52 am
IMO, chances of being able to press on the screen with 2 fingers at the EXACT same time is pretty slim. Therefore 1 finger would touch the screen first, that location would be stored, and the other finger presses, and the average is stored, and since the average does not equal the 1st location (unless you have extremely thin fingers, like the end of a stylus), it would assume that the screen is being pressed in 2 places. With using the 2 points and a little trig, they could identify where the 2 press is.
Now with sliding both fingers across the screen sounds like a different story. I wonder if Nintendo will try to section off the screen so that maybe the left side has its own input, and the right has its own. Only those with dev kits and Nintendo themselves (and GOD) know for sure.
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#24570 - dagamer34 - Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:56 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
IMO, chances of being able to press on the screen with 2 fingers at the EXACT same time is pretty slim. Therefore 1 finger would touch the screen first, that location would be stored, and the other finger presses, and the average is stored, and since the average does not equal the 1st location (unless you have extremely thin fingers, like the end of a stylus), it would assume that the screen is being pressed in 2 places. With using the 2 points and a little trig, they could identify where the 2 press is.
Now with sliding both fingers across the screen sounds like a different story. I wonder if Nintendo will try to section off the screen so that maybe the left side has its own input, and the right has its own. Only those with dev kits and Nintendo themselves (and GOD) know for sure. |
GOD knows all. I wish he would throw a devkit my way... :)
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#24572 - Zero - Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:59 am
maybe if you gave reggie your name (instead of him taking it) he would give you a ds devkit (instead of kicking your ass)
just a thought..... ;)
#24588 - dagamer34 - Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:20 pm
| Zero wrote: |
maybe if you gave reggie your name (instead of him taking it) he would give you a ds devkit (instead of kicking your ass)
just a thought..... ;) |
Yes, that would be nice, but probably won't happen. Guess it will be done the hard way...
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#24629 - mymateo - Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:32 am
How do Dev Kits (like DevKit Advance) come our way anyhow? Do home coders with much ingenius just make them? Or are there people at games companies who are kind of "double-agents", who take a copy of an official dev kit?
I'm hoping for a double-agent to deliver a dev kit for the DS. That would be sa-WEET
#24633 - tepples - Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:29 am
| mymateo wrote: |
| How do Dev Kits (like DevKit Advance) come our way anyhow? Do home coders with much ingenius just make them? |
Yes. Publicly available GBA toolchains such as DevKit Advance and devkitARM are in essence GCC and GNU Binutils built for ARM7TDMI, plus custom startup code and a custom linker script, all developed by the free software community. However, the descriptions of GBA registers seem to have been based in part on something leaked by an agent.
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#24642 - MonkeyBoy666 - Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:05 pm
| DekuTree64 wrote: |
The only complaint I have is that huge power button sticking up right above the control pad. Don't you think that would be awfully easy to hit by accident? The new start and select are definitely better, but I think they should have kept the power button the old size.
Still, it's much prettier now, and yay for stereo! |
ok from inspecting this pictures on the nintedo i don't think that is a power button. if you look closely at the bottom on the DS in the black area you will see a little tiny slide switch. witch i assume would be the power button as for the other one i don't know.
#24644 - lordmetroid - Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:38 pm
I belive it's the power LED...
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#24965 - originalself - Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:21 pm
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ok from inspecting this pictures on the nintedo i don't think that is a power button. if you look closely at the bottom on the DS in the black area you will see a little tiny slide switch. witch i assume would be the power button as for the other one i don't know. |
From what i read it is the wifi on/off
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