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DS development > Boosting DS's wireless range?

#29586 - sfz989 - Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:42 am

I'm hoping that some company will release something that plugs into the DS's gba slot and boost the wireless strenght to something like 2 or 3 miles. I mean you can buy a pair of walkie talkies at wal-mart that have that distance for $20. It's just an idea but I hope someone does it. I live close enough to most of my friends that I wouldn't have to leave the house to play em :)

I don't see why this wouldn't work.

That reminds, I've read that the DS is supposed to be able to detect other DS's. Does this mean you can have it turned off and it will detect other DS's or do you have to be in sleep mode or what?

#29596 - NoMis - Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:33 am

If your you and your friends have internet and a wireless network at home you should be able to play over that.

NoMis

#29617 - sfz989 - Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:48 pm

Yeah that'd be nice but I don't think there any games out that support that yet. I'll just have to be patient

#29620 - NoMis - Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:17 pm

I'm sure that if the game doesn't support it that there will be some people that will make a tool that will do the trick. Just like the Warppipe for gamecube wich made LAN games possible to play via internet.

NoMis

#29781 - ravuya - Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:22 am

I've seen people crack open their Apple laptops and solder in an antenna jack, so a similar thing could be done here.
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#29785 - nolimit966 - Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:37 am

i hope so

#29787 - yaustar - Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:57 am

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Yeah that'd be nice but I don't think there any games out that support that yet. I'll just have to be patient

http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/ - still early but would be cool :)
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#29840 - dagamer34 - Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:34 pm

Actually, I would like to see a product that broadcasts a wireless signal for a very short range(50ft max) that can be plugged into your computer and is designed to GREATLY simply the process of getting a wireless signal for your DS. Some of us don't need to buy routers, others can't have them at all (my campus is against it, they think they suck up bandwidth, BitTorrent sucks up bandwidth... too bad they block that too...)

Anyway, if a product like that were available for maybe $30 or so, I and many other people would instantly buy it since they know it works. It wouldn't serve as a full fledged wireless router, as it can only have 1 device connected at a time, but it would be enough for people who don't want/need to buy something expensive.
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#29915 - ravuya - Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:22 pm

dagamer34 wrote:
Actually, I would like to see a product that broadcasts a wireless signal for a very short range(50ft max) that can be plugged into your computer and is designed to GREATLY simply the process of getting a wireless signal for your DS. Some of us don't need to buy routers, others can't have them at all (my campus is against it, they think they suck up bandwidth, BitTorrent sucks up bandwidth... too bad they block that too...)

Anyway, if a product like that were available for maybe $30 or so, I and many other people would instantly buy it since they know it works. It wouldn't serve as a full fledged wireless router, as it can only have 1 device connected at a time, but it would be enough for people who don't want/need to buy something expensive.


You can install a wireless ethernet PCI card (~$30USD, check eBay or your local high street electronics retailer) or a wireless ethernet USB dongle and use Windows Internet Connection Sharing to make your PC act as a router. Of course, this is not recommended, and works like crap half the time. A similar functionality exists in Linux and OS X (really super easy in OS X).
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#29929 - dagamer34 - Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:21 pm

ravuya wrote:
dagamer34 wrote:
Actually, I would like to see a product that broadcasts a wireless signal for a very short range(50ft max) that can be plugged into your computer and is designed to GREATLY simply the process of getting a wireless signal for your DS. Some of us don't need to buy routers, others can't have them at all (my campus is against it, they think they suck up bandwidth, BitTorrent sucks up bandwidth... too bad they block that too...)

Anyway, if a product like that were available for maybe $30 or so, I and many other people would instantly buy it since they know it works. It wouldn't serve as a full fledged wireless router, as it can only have 1 device connected at a time, but it would be enough for people who don't want/need to buy something expensive.


You can install a wireless ethernet PCI card (~$30USD, check eBay or your local high street electronics retailer) or a wireless ethernet USB dongle and use Windows Internet Connection Sharing to make your PC act as a router. Of course, this is not recommended, and works like crap half the time. A similar functionality exists in Linux and OS X (really super easy in OS X).


One of my friends has a wireless USB adapter for receiving wireless Internet. Will that work ok?

What do you mean it works like crap? I will only be using it with my DS, not much else.
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#29950 - ravuya - Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:18 am

A wireless USB plugin should work fine; I'm not sure about Windows' support for it under ICS. ICS drops connections a lot, and is generally ugly to have running for long periods of time. I wouldn't want to rely on it for a long period of time considering dedicated wireless routers are fairly cheap nowadays.
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#30068 - dagamer34 - Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:35 am

ravuya wrote:
A wireless USB plugin should work fine; I'm not sure about Windows' support for it under ICS. ICS drops connections a lot, and is generally ugly to have running for long periods of time. I wouldn't want to rely on it for a long period of time considering dedicated wireless routers are fairly cheap nowadays.


Just making sure.
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#30149 - mymateo - Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:24 pm

Another possibility is to have signal repeaters.

From what I've heard, the wireless GBA adapters used on games like Pokemon (and some of the NES classics, I hear?!) act as repeaters. If you have a staduim full of people using the adapters, you could play with someone on the other side, a quarter mile away. It may be possible the DS does that, too...

But imagine having a DS signal repeater that will detect, receive, and re-broadcast DS signals over large distances, that anyone with a DS can use without having to leave your router, WNIC, and in general your home computer/network wide open? If it gave you a nice enough range (let's say, a 1 mile radius), then the wireless multiplayer mayhem could begin!

Chances are, it wouldn't be overly expensive either. You can get wireless receivers that act as a WNIC and a WAP for around $50 USD, so something that ONLY repeats the signal, and ONLY the DS signal, should cost any more than $25-$35. Let's hear it for Nintendo!

#30530 - Hyo - Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:57 pm

I posted about this in another topic too, but cell phone signal boosters seem to have a small effect of the range of the DS's wireless capabilities.

#30531 - hearhear - Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:28 pm

Are there any devices that can repeat any signal it receives at a specified frequency? For example, are there any devices that you could make repeat all received 2.4 GHz signals, regardless of what's in the signal? So, it would be similar to a hub in the regard (i.e., it would disregard MACs and other logical addressing).

I've seen some devices that can be hooked up to an existing wireless network and act as a client on the network in order to extend the range of the network, but it acts too much as a router or switch to be useful in this situation.

#30539 - JBowles - Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:55 pm

ravuya wrote:
I've seen people crack open their Apple laptops and solder in an antenna jack, so a similar thing could be done here.

I'am working on it right now my gambit screw driver and new attannas are in the mail now. I will post pics of the project. The anttannas could boost it up to a mile in line of sight.

#30548 - willgonz - Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:39 am

Ummm, I think their are some micro bnc connectors. Take note this will erase your settings on your DS, like name, date, time etc.

Open the battery cover. Look in the two little holes. Those are microBNC connectors like the ones on a laptops internal wireless card antenna. One is a main and one is a aux.


Wait scratch that
After looking at pics from http://forum.lik-sang.com/other/nds-release/nds-release-open5.jpg
it looks like those are just variable resisters for doing brightness/contrast adjustments perhaps.

Let me know if you know otherwise. Thanks

#30551 - JBowles - Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:34 am

willgonz wrote:

it looks like those are just variable resisters for doing brightness/contrast adjustments perhaps.


judging by the marking VAR2 and VAR2 I would say your correct. I'm not sure there is an real antenna at all it might be the black wire next to the metal cover. or be on the pcb.

#30578 - mymateo - Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:20 am

I stuck a screwdriver in and twisted -- Indeed, they are contrast controls. Well, I twisted the top knob and whilst playing a GBA game on the top screen, the contrast changed, so EITHER:

1) Top knob controls contrast on top screen, bottom knob for bottom screen

OR

2) Top knob controls contrast on both screens, bottom knob controls brightness.

I didn't think to test this out while I had my DS open, as I was just running out the door anyhow, so I can't confirm at this point in time. Besides, I'm too damn tired to do it now... actually, I'm just lazy.

#30588 - JBowles - Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:34 pm

Looking at mor pictures and DEcalGirls new Skin I have think the pcb attenna is in the flip up part.

#30597 - tepples - Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:12 pm

I seem to remember that the original GBA had a "contrast" knob, under the word "booklet" on the back sticker, that actually turned out to be a knob for balancing + and - voltages on the LCD, so Nintendo recommended strongly that one not twist it in order to prolong the life of the screen.
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#30657 - JBowles - Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:47 am

tepples wrote:
I seem to remember that the original GBA had a "contrast" knob, under the word "booklet" on the back sticker, that actually turned out to be a knob for balancing + and - voltages on the LCD, so Nintendo recommended strongly that one not twist it in order to prolong the life of the screen.
the +,- voltage is what controls the contrast, it is a contrast knob

#30661 - tepples - Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:22 am

The point is that Nintendo announced that tweaking the contrast on the GBA would wear out the screen more quickly. Thus, I wouldn't recommend it on the DS.
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#30684 - ravuya - Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:12 pm

tepples wrote:
The point is that Nintendo announced that tweaking the contrast on the GBA would wear out the screen more quickly. Thus, I wouldn't recommend it on the DS.


That knob didn't control contrast, it actually tightened and loosened the screen from what I can remember.
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#30804 - FluBBa - Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:48 pm

The hidden screw on the original GBA definitly changed the contrast of the LCD, I tried it and probably wasted a pixel or two in the process.
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#31850 - netdroid9 - Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:16 am

FluBBa wrote:
The hidden screw on the original GBA definitly changed the contrast of the LCD, I tried it and probably wasted a pixel or two in the process.


... Maybe the reason everyone gets dead pixels on their DS is because something malfunctioned on the assembly line and screwed all the LCDs in way too tight :P

Well, who wants to wire a wifi repeater to a mobile antenna and set it up for the DS.

(There sure are a lot of people in pictochat...)