#32433 - manicdvln - Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:56 pm
After playing with 4 different DS'es, I found out that 2 of my purchases had super clear image on the bottom touch screen, while the other two had extra coating.
This only means that nintendo is selling some of its touch screens without any additional coating which why some people are getting easy scratches on their DS.
I do not know if this is a defect or intended.
On one side, some DS'es display a clearer picture while others have this liquidy crystalized texture on it.
You decide which is better.
Photos at page 2.
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#32434 - Abscissa - Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:22 pm
Weird
#32436 - Boeboe - Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:33 pm
I *think* mine is without coating. It's also really difficult to keep it clean (I get something that appear to be scratches, but is luckily just grease that can be wiped off. However, I also have 2 really tiny real scratches on the screen right now)
#32438 - Dib - Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:53 pm
Interesting. Can you work out a way to determine which is coated and which isn't? Without a basis for comparison, how would we really know? If it's generational, pertaining to the production, then something like the serial number should be able to identify it.
My touchscreen displays graphics, to the best of my ability to tell, in the exact same way as the top screen. And I have noticed very tiny scratches, what I would describe as micro scratches, on my touchscreen. They're very short, only visible with the backlighting turned off and holding the DS up to a lamp or the like, but they're still there.
I've taken pretty obsessive care of my DS to date, using only the thumb and pen stylus and keeping it clean with an eyeglass cloth. I also haven't played many stylus intensive games (Maybe three or four times with the Boo hunting mini game on Mario 64 is the worst). From what I've read, many people describe games like Feel the Magic where it's necessary to apply the stylus rather harshly, and having no visible signs as a result. So I was beginning to question why mine seems to be different.
If what you say is true and mine isn't fully protected, I would certainly be interested in having Nintendo replace it with one that is.
#32440 - manicdvln - Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:07 pm
| Dib wrote: |
Interesting. Can you work out a way to determine which is coated and which isn't? Without a basis for comparison, how would we really know? If it's generational, pertaining to the production, then something like the serial number should be able to identify it.
My touchscreen displays graphics, to the best of my ability to tell, in the exact same way as the top screen. And I have noticed very tiny scratches, what I would describe as micro scratches, on my touchscreen. They're very short, only visible with the backlighting turned off and holding the DS up to a lamp or the like, but they're still there.
I've taken pretty obsessive care of my DS to date, using only the thumb and pen stylus and keeping it clean with an eyeglass cloth. I also haven't played many stylus intensive games (Maybe three or four times with the Boo hunting mini game on Mario 64 is the worst). From what I've read, many people describe games like Feel the Magic where it's necessary to apply the stylus rather harshly, and having no visible signs as a result. So I was beginning to question why mine seems to be different.
If what you say is true and mine isn't fully protected, I would certainly be interested in having Nintendo replace it with one that is. |
You seem to have the uncoated version. Maybe i should send an email to nintendo to clarify this issue.
#32465 - Krakken - Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:51 am
Mine seems to be crystalised. It's not really bad but I have two micro scratches too so I don't think that it's a good thing. Does that mean us crystallies have a defect machine?
#32468 - Voltorb - Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:28 am
get some screen protector things..i think they make them for PDA's. Or order them from lik-sang or another import online store.
#32469 - netdroid9 - Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:32 am
Hmmm... Nintendo SAID they would replace faulty touchscreens... I think... hmm...
Perhaps it is dependant on when you got it, or where, or even how...
Could be a faulty batch or two of these DS, and the newer ones are fine (Problems been solved by Nintendo). Perhaps they knew about this, and said they would replace the touchscreens for more than just the deadpixel problem... Or it could happen to people who had theirs repaired by nintendo at a certain time when they had gotten a faulty shipment of screens.
#32476 - domomike - Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:33 am
My bottom screen is extremely grainy and gets scratched with just easy use of the stylus. I take VERY good care of my DS and somehow the scratches came out of nowhere. Does anyone know how I can get Nintendo to give me a "non-defective" one? Because I believe that this is not fair. My friend has the other one you're talking about and it's very clear and doesn't get scratched easily at all.
#32479 - kerrle - Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:43 am
There is definitely a difference in the appearance of some of the touchscreens, but I'm not convinced that this is a "defect" or anything.
They may have two touchscreen suppliers, which do not produce exactly the same screens visually. Having said that, this would not affect the way the screens are scratched at all; no matter whether your touchscreen is kind of fuzzy or perfectly clear, the same plastic layer sits on top of it, and that's what the stylus touches.
I will say that my DS's bottom screen is a tad "fuzzy" compared to my friend's DS which was bought at the same time, but I don't know if it's because there is more than one manufacturer or maybe some screens just aren't aligned quite as well.
#32483 - ravuya - Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:40 am
It could be a faulty batch, or come from two different assembly plants.
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#32496 - Krakken - Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:22 am
Dictionary defenition of defect:
The lack of something necessary or desirable for completion or perfection; a deficiency: a visual defect.
It's most definately a defect and to be honest, I hope that I can get mine replaced or i'm gonna feel a little cheated by Nintendo.
#32497 - kerrle - Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:39 am
I'm sorry, but a very minor variation in visual quality doesn't necessarily count as a defect; I'd take even my slightly "fuzzy" screen over an SP's screen anyday.
But more to the point, this difference doesn't make the screen any more likely to scratch or anything else, and I really just didn't want people to get the wrong idea.
#32505 - Mr. Ploppy - Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:12 pm
I'm suprised that there are some DS's out there with bottom screens the same as the top. I have a "Crystalized" screen and thought it was a normal side-effect of the touch sensitivity. That said, the screen is not distorted of fuzzy at all. There is what I would describe as a slight grain to the screen, but it is not noticeable during gameplay unless you are really looking for it.
The best way to tell if you have a "Crystalized" screen or not is to tilt the DS gently from side to side. There will be a slight wobble of the pixels due to light refraction. I'm perfectly happy with my DS and do not feel "cheated" at all. I think calling it a defect is going a little far, it's hardly noticeable to the casual eye.
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#32507 - Krakken - Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:44 pm
Well, I am a perfectionist. ;)
It wouldn't matter to me if it was the same for all and that was the best they could produce. The crystalisation does bother me a little and now that I know it's not on every machine, I want it without. :/
#32509 - sgeos - Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:52 pm
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#32560 - mymateo - Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:52 pm
My bottom screen: slight crystalization, ultra durable touch pad - nearly invincible, no tiny scratches
But my top screen is the mystery... the bottom screen seems to be a normal LCD where the image is always steady. The top screen is... well, like looking at a CRT. It's hard to describe, but it's like it has a visible refresh rate. If an LCD refreshes at 60 Hz, you don't really see a flicker because the crystals keep their brightness/image/whatever-you-wanna-call-it longer. But on a CRT, 60 Hz has a *very* noticeable flicker (gives me headaches). The DS screen doesn't give me hedaches, but sometimes I swear the screen flickers in a similar fashion to CRT's...
Anyone else notice this?
#32563 - dagamer34 - Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:50 pm
| mymateo wrote: |
My bottom screen: slight crystalization, ultra durable touch pad - nearly invincible, no tiny scratches
But my top screen is the mystery... the bottom screen seems to be a normal LCD where the image is always steady. The top screen is... well, like looking at a CRT. It's hard to describe, but it's like it has a visible refresh rate. If an LCD refreshes at 60 Hz, you don't really see a flicker because the crystals keep their brightness/image/whatever-you-wanna-call-it longer. But on a CRT, 60 Hz has a *very* noticeable flicker (gives me headaches). The DS screen doesn't give me hedaches, but sometimes I swear the screen flickers in a similar fashion to CRT's...
Anyone else notice this? |
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#32567 - manicdvln - Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:03 am
| mymateo wrote: |
My bottom screen: slight crystalization, ultra durable touch pad - nearly invincible, no tiny scratches
But my top screen is the mystery... the bottom screen seems to be a normal LCD where the image is always steady. The top screen is... well, like looking at a CRT. It's hard to describe, but it's like it has a visible refresh rate. If an LCD refreshes at 60 Hz, you don't really see a flicker because the crystals keep their brightness/image/whatever-you-wanna-call-it longer. But on a CRT, 60 Hz has a *very* noticeable flicker (gives me headaches). The DS screen doesn't give me hedaches, but sometimes I swear the screen flickers in a similar fashion to CRT's...
Anyone else notice this? |
I noticed those flickers, its not from the LCD, but from the stereo speakers, if you lower the speaker volume, it will go away. I guess its from the magentic resonance within the speakers.
Your DS seems to be fine.
#32568 - manicdvln - Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:04 am
Here is another reply from nintendo on this issue:
| Quote: |
Hello,
Thank you for contacting us regarding your concern with the Nintendo DS system. I'm sorry to hear that the product is not performing to your expectation. I want to let you know that we take your concern seriously and we'd like to help address it as quickly as possible for you. I'd like a chance to discuss your concerns with you.
Below, you'll find my name, extension, and the hours I am working for the next week. If you find that the times are not convenient, please feel free to call our Consumer Service phone number and ask to speak to any Lead, regarding your concerns. If one is not available, the representative can take your name and number and a Lead will call you back as soon as one is available.
My name is -- G?raldine Hasting (Bilingual Consumer Service Senior Lead)
My extension -- #3933
My hours for the next week -- Sunday through Wednesday (6:00 am - 2:30 pm)
As you may know, our Consumer Service phone number is 1-800-255-3700. Our hours of operation are between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. Pacific Time, seven days a week. If you experience difficulties reaching us via our 800 number, please e-mail us back with your name, telephone number, and a convenient time to reach you. Please also include your original e-mail and our response. I will contact you as soon as possible.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
G?raldine Hasting |
#32692 - PhoenixSoft - Sat Dec 25, 2004 2:09 am
Yes, there are DEFINITELY two different kinds of touch screen surfaces.
I can tell my brother's DS apart from my DS based solely on the touch screen surface. I have an early US one, and there appears to be diagonal lines across the screen when I tilt it at a certain angle. But my brother's DS, a newer Japanese one, looks textured when I tilt it at the same angle. Interestingly, my GP32 appears to have the same diagonal lines effect. But the GP32 doesn't have a touch screen, so it can't be the touch screen itself. It must be some kind of protective LCD covering material.
#32780 - manicdvln - Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:10 pm
Ok after more analysis, I found out that the CLEAR bottom touch screens are fragile and can make a slight dent when you touch the LCD screen with stylus.
While the fuzzy LCD touch screen is strong and can't make a slight dent while pressuring with stylus on the screen.
CLEAR BOTTOM TOUCH SCREEN: FRAGILE, PRONE TO SCRATCHING, MAKES DENT WHEN YOU TAP WITH STYLUS.
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FUZZY BOTTOM TOUCH SCREEN: TOUGH, DOES NOT MAKE DENT WHEN YOU TAP WITH SYLUS, SCRATCH PROTECTED.
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#32782 - EaDS Milliways - Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:27 pm
Could you also check the serial numbers to see if there's a wide difference?
#32783 - manicdvln - Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:38 pm
Nope serial numbers don't make a difference what kind you will get.
#32785 - EaDS Milliways - Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:17 pm
Well, guess the choice you have to make is if you want the screen to be clear or if you want it to be protected from scratches. Good to see a side by side example though. Thanks!
#32786 - manicdvln - Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:30 pm
My friend just got off the phone with nintendo, he is the owner of the fuzzy DS LCD touch screen, but had a dead pixel.
Anyways, he mentioned he wanted his replacement DS to have anti-scratch coating and the representative suppsoedly said that the NEW REVISIONS come with anti-scratch.
Now I dunno what the hell is going on at nintendo, but I smell BS somewhere, but can't nail it right.
Since the clear ds in that picture is one that I bought in the latest restocking, a week ago.
And the Fuzzy screen DS is one I bought the first day of launch as a gift.
Something is going on and I don't like it.
#32794 - EaDS Milliways - Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:39 pm
Remember that some company was working on a protective screen that is a hundred times more resistant to scratches AND clear? (Is supposed to be great for the new Blue Laser DVD's) Could it be that they decided to use this newer process on the new ones?
Of course this wouldn't be true if the clear screen actually gets scratched MORE easily.
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#32796 - dagamer34 - Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:47 pm
| EaDS Milliways wrote: |
Remember that some company was working on a protective screen that is a hundred times more resistant to scratches AND clear. Could it be that they decided to use this newer process on the new ones?
Of course this wouldn't be true if the clear screen actually gets scratched MORE easily. |
The thing is that whether you get a coated or non-coated system isn't really dependent on when you buy the system. It's simply luck of the draw.
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#32832 - Abscissa - Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:36 pm
I just got a DS a couple days ago (Yay!), and mine is definitely the durable fuzzy one.
#32992 - mymateo - Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:25 pm
I followed both of these links, and all I got was a totally blank page in my browser, with "http://127.0.0.1:1026/clear.cgi?" as the address.
#32995 - mtg101 - Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:48 pm
| mymateo wrote: |
I followed both of these links, and all I got was a totally blank page in my browser, with "http://127.0.0.1:1026/clear.cgi?" as the address. |
A quick search seems to indicate that it's probably your ad blocking software (possible a firewall or other internet security program) that's blocking the image.
Failing that people seem to suspect some form of malware, so it's time to run Spybot SD or similiar.
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#33001 - Dib - Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:41 am
I just got off the phone with a Nintendo rep, and he said pretty positively that there is only one Nintendo DS being manufactured now, so everybody's components should be the same throughout.
He also said that because it's a brand new system Nintendo is currently replacing them for free no matter what. If you stepped on your DS or dropped it down a flight of stairs, Nintendo would replace it currently. So I'm getting mine replaced since it's continued to accumulate those micro scratches despite my carefulness in only using the included stylus, wiping it only with an eyeglass cleaner cloth, etc. I also confirmed that the replacement one will be warrantied for a year, so if it blows up or whatever I can still repeat the replacement process free of charge.
Unfortunately, he said that Nintendo doesn't have an authorized touchscreen protection filament a'la PDAs, so I may go out and look for a PDA one that I can cut down to size with a razor, or something to this effect to make certain this doesn't happen again. I'm certain that I can find a satisfactory cover without sacrificing the touchscreen responsiveness.
While we were at it, he took some feedback on the DS to send along to whomever it concerns. I brought up the issue with the mandatory health warning, and made my case that a customization setting in the internal OS should allow individuals to opt out of it so we don't have to press every time we start up the machine.
Of course, unless the firmware is indeed updateable (which he couldn't confirm it was) it wouldn't matter anyway. They'd either have to include it in a future model or not do it at all.
#33010 - mymateo - Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:05 am
Got the images to load. But it seems to me that I have the "clear" type screen, but it's also indestructible. I thought it was supposed to be the other way around... weird.
#33014 - manicdvln - Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:55 am
| Dib wrote: |
I just got off the phone with a Nintendo rep, and he said pretty positively that there is only one Nintendo DS being manufactured now, so everybody's components should be the same throughout.
He also said that because it's a brand new system Nintendo is currently replacing them for free no matter what. If you stepped on your DS or dropped it down a flight of stairs, Nintendo would replace it currently. So I'm getting mine replaced since it's continued to accumulate those micro scratches despite my carefulness in only using the included stylus, wiping it only with an eyeglass cleaner cloth, etc. I also confirmed that the replacement one will be warrantied for a year, so if it blows up or whatever I can still repeat the replacement process free of charge.
Unfortunately, he said that Nintendo doesn't have an authorized touchscreen protection filament a'la PDAs, so I may go out and look for a PDA one that I can cut down to size with a razor, or something to this effect to make certain this doesn't happen again. I'm certain that I can find a satisfactory cover without sacrificing the touchscreen responsiveness.
While we were at it, he took some feedback on the DS to send along to whomever it concerns. I brought up the issue with the mandatory health warning, and made my case that a customization setting in the internal OS should allow individuals to opt out of it so we don't have to press every time we start up the machine.
Of course, unless the firmware is indeed updateable (which he couldn't confirm it was) it wouldn't matter anyway. They'd either have to include it in a future model or not do it at all. |
Normal nintendo representative's have no clue about nintendo DS assembly plans and where they are produced or how many manufactures assemble them.
I bet you if you call again, some other rep will say something else. What you need to do is have a call with the senior lead which I did. After hours of talk, and evidence of pictures I sent, they have supposedly forwarded my case to the production team.
I doubt Nintendo will release an official response to this problem, and pretty much I think they will like to remain hush hush till they fix the problem and slowly goes away.
I think they will meet this issue at an individual level, meaning they probably will replace your DS if you are like me and know what the problem is.
I got a replacement because I had uncoated version. Now they sent me with coated version. So it's pretty obvious there is more than 1 kind of lcd.
If you have clear type bottom touch lcd, I suggest you call up nintendo and ask for a replacement. Don't bother yourself with crappy third party protectors or take the chance of scratching your DS with an uncoated screen. Do it now!
#33016 - Alex Atkin UK - Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:31 am
Mine seems clear too and also I can't see any scratches forming. I do see the textured look if I look at it from the side though (the actual touchscreen I presume).
The only thing I noticed is that I think a little dust is getting inside my screen but as im in the UK theres no way im sending it back to the US just to get it replaced. If it gets too bad I might try sending it to Nintendo Europe once they are released over here.
Another thing, my touchscreen seems a little clearer an image than the top screen - though I believe I read this is due to a different pixel format.
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#33056 - Kumba - Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:22 pm
My theory on the whole fuzzy LCD thing, is it's extremely clever tatics by Nintendo. It works like this:
Nintendo goes with a specific type/batch of LCDs from a specific manufacturer for the initial round of DS units. Immediate feedback on release day indicates these LCDs are not very durable for touch screen use, and have a number of flaws. Realizing that if this gets into the mainstream media (IGN, PGC, etc), it could do irrepairable harm to their image and affect their sales of the DS.
So they go with the choice to use a stronger, more durable system, and offer to replace damaged/broken DS units free of charge (provided they get your damaged unit back), no questions asked. This keeps users from complaining, which keeps media sites from writing up a story, and it gets the DS units with the bad LCDs off the streets. They're obviously taking a hit in the pocket book somewheres for this, but unlike Sony, they can afford it quite easily until all new units sold include the more durable screen, then they might start becoming more restrictive on who they give free replacements too.
I practically broke my DS within the first 2 days of owning it (Zelda II GBA irked me the wrong way, the top LCD paid with its life for that irking), and the customer service rep, realizing I'd physically broke the unit out of anger, still replaced it for free. The new unit I got had the more durable touchscreen.
To sum it up -- If this is Nintendo's strategy, then whoever thought it up deserves a cookie for some damn start manuvering.
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#33058 - Abscissa - Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:15 pm
| Kumba wrote: |
My theory on the whole fuzzy LCD thing, is it's extremely clever tatics by Nintendo. It works like this:
Nintendo goes with a specific type/batch of LCDs from a specific manufacturer for the initial round of DS units. Immediate feedback on release day indicates these LCDs are not very durable for touch screen use, and have a number of flaws. Realizing that if this gets into the mainstream media (IGN, PGC, etc), it could do irrepairable harm to their image and affect their sales of the DS.
So they go with the choice to use a stronger, more durable system, and offer to replace damaged/broken DS units free of charge (provided they get your damaged unit back), no questions asked. This keeps users from complaining, which keeps media sites from writing up a story, and it gets the DS units with the bad LCDs off the streets. They're obviously taking a hit in the pocket book somewheres for this, but unlike Sony, they can afford it quite easily until all new units sold include the more durable screen, then they might start becoming more restrictive on who they give free replacements too. |
I bet you're right about that. New consoles are risky ventures, and especially for something as original as the DS. A widespread misconception that "DS screens scratch too easily" would be catastrophic, possibly even sending people back to the whole "newer consoles need better graphics, and nothing more" system.
I wonder if the fuzzyness on some of the durable screens is part of that too. Perhaps:
Once they discovered the original flaw with the scratching, they were in such a hurry to fix it that they ended up settling for a screen that wasn't as clear. But it was considered aceptable for the time being because it still didn't look too bad, and at least it didn't scratch. Then, once they were able to get ahold of them, they started using a "good" screen, ie no scratching but doesn't look fuzzy.
Or, maybe the fuzzy ones are just nothing more than the scratchable ones with an extra protective layer added, and they're doing that until they were able to fix the original manufacturing problem.
#33066 - manicdvln - Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:19 pm
| Abscissa wrote: |
| Kumba wrote: | My theory on the whole fuzzy LCD thing, is it's extremely clever tatics by Nintendo. It works like this:
Nintendo goes with a specific type/batch of LCDs from a specific manufacturer for the initial round of DS units. Immediate feedback on release day indicates these LCDs are not very durable for touch screen use, and have a number of flaws. Realizing that if this gets into the mainstream media (IGN, PGC, etc), it could do irrepairable harm to their image and affect their sales of the DS.
So they go with the choice to use a stronger, more durable system, and offer to replace damaged/broken DS units free of charge (provided they get your damaged unit back), no questions asked. This keeps users from complaining, which keeps media sites from writing up a story, and it gets the DS units with the bad LCDs off the streets. They're obviously taking a hit in the pocket book somewheres for this, but unlike Sony, they can afford it quite easily until all new units sold include the more durable screen, then they might start becoming more restrictive on who they give free replacements too. |
I bet you're right about that. New consoles are risky ventures, and especially for something as original as the DS. A widespread misconception that "DS screens scratch too easily" would be catastrophic, possibly even sending people back to the whole "newer consoles need better graphics, and nothing more" system.
I wonder if the fuzzyness on some of the durable screens is part of that too. Perhaps:
Once they discovered the original flaw with the scratching, they were in such a hurry to fix it that they ended up settling for a screen that wasn't as clear. But it was considered aceptable for the time being because it still didn't look too bad, and at least it didn't scratch. Then, once they were able to get ahold of them, they started using a "good" screen, ie no scratching but doesn't look fuzzy.
Or, maybe the fuzzy ones are just nothing more than the scratchable ones with an extra protective layer added, and they're doing that until they were able to fix the original manufacturing problem. |
Even though this conspiracy looks tempting, it's false.
Reason? Durable fuzzy touch screens as well as clear touch screens I got from the very first batch of DS'es during launch day.
#33095 - Palmtree - Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:23 pm
OK, so i bought my DS on launch day, and the touch screen is crystalized. Thinking it was normal, i tried not to think about it much... that is until my friend got one (a newer one) that was clear and perfect looking. Thinking mine was defective, I ordered a replacement from nintendo.
After reading these posts i'm not so sure that was the right idea....
#33096 - manicdvln - Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:26 pm
| Palmtree wrote: |
OK, so i bought my DS on launch day, and the touch screen is crystalized. Thinking it was normal, i tried not to think about it much... that is until my friend got one (a newer one) that was clear and perfect looking. Thinking mine was defective, I ordered a replacement from nintendo.
After reading these posts i'm not so sure that was the right idea.... |
I felt the exact same way, believe it or not, your friend had the bad one, you had the good one.
#33098 - abigsmurf - Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:44 pm
Nintendo increased production when the first batch sold out.
All this seems like is getting parts from multiple manufacturers to speed up production. Doesn't really seem like any sort of coverup or conspiricy to hide a flaw.
#33099 - Boeboe - Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:48 pm
I have a japanese DS unit, my screen appears to be clear AND durable.
#33152 - Kumba - Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:10 am
| manicdvln wrote: |
Even though this conspiracy looks tempting, it's false.
Reason? Durable fuzzy touch screens as well as clear touch screens I got from the very first batch of DS'es during launch day. |
I think "conspiracy" is the wrong word for it. It's smart business sense. Damn smart business sense, and if I were in the same situation, I'd make the same or similar decision. I'd personally applaud Nintendo for this move if it's close to what actually occured.
Anyone who follows politics a little will see the same tatic used all the time, since if you make a mistake, even a simple one, it can get blown really far out of proportion. If Nintendo spent months and months touting "Touch! is good", then people discover poor-quality touch screens, it's roughly the same equivalent of what happened to poor Bernard Kerik. If Nintendo made a small mistake to go with a different style of touch screen that later turned out to be poor, then they quickly switch to a more durable one and quietly swap out as many units as they can w/o attracting media attention, then they've succeeded.
As far as the "crystalization" of the screen, My theory is it's part of what explains the durability. Take clear-as-glass hardened plastic for example. The stuff shatters like glass, and just as easily. Now, take plastic that is also hardened, but is a little fuzzy. The strength is probably near 10x better than the crystal-clear version. Why this is probably requires a degree in chemistry, physics, and probably a deep understanding of the technology behind plastic, but I for one am not bothered by the fuzzyness of the touch screen.
Besides, the touch screen is more for input than it is for viewing stuff on, so it can afford to sacrifice a little clarity for durability, while the top screen needs to be crystal clear. This is also why Nintendo sells a replacement kit for $3.95 that can replace the top screen cover in case of scratches, so I'd say they've thought this out very well.
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#33202 - Dib - Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:50 pm
| Kumba wrote: |
I think "conspiracy" is the wrong word for it. It's smart business sense. Damn smart business sense, and if I were in the same situation, I'd make the same or similar decision. I'd personally applaud Nintendo for this move if it's close to what actually occured.
Anyone who follows politics a little will see the same tatic used all the time, since if you make a mistake, even a simple one, it can get blown really far out of proportion. If Nintendo spent months and months touting "Touch! is good", then people discover poor-quality touch screens, it's roughly the same equivalent of what happened to poor Bernard Kerik. If Nintendo made a small mistake to go with a different style of touch screen that later turned out to be poor, then they quickly switch to a more durable one and quietly swap out as many units as they can w/o attracting media attention, then they've succeeded. |
Didn't I see you on my street corner the other day, waving a bible around and yelling about how GW Bush was a dragon and he stole your soul? The guy with the dirty underwear (where were your pants, anyway?)
The problem with your little theory is that it's completely baseless. It's conjecture, it's speculative, and you have nothing to support it other than unverified claims that there are more than one touch screen (which at the moment isn't even a certainty). From that starting point you've woven this plot, but never bothered to notice that none of it has the slightest empirical foundation.
The saddest thing is that despite your specious reasoning, it's even been refuted because, as manicdvln wrote, even if there were multiple touch screens they would all have come out at the same gerneral time. Therefore your claims that Nintendo is engaging in a massive coverup couldn't possibly hold.
#33209 - Gatchers - Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:47 pm
Actually, dual-sourcing components is a pretty standard manufacturing practice. Some industries would be playing russian roulette if they relied on one supplier alone for components.
So, never assume that if you disassemble any unit (be it games console, mobile phone, etc) and find two different types of any part, that one supercedes the other.
The first real question is, is one type significantly better specified than the other in terms of scratch-resistence? Then, is one of these specs lower than Nintendo's base spec for scratch-resistence (and there will be one). We almost certainly won't find this out. If a part was found to be substandard when delivered in quantity, it will be phased out as per whatever Nintendo's manufacturing process states.
#33213 - Filb - Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:57 pm
Umm, can anyone tell me what type of Touch Screen I have?
-> A photo
I own a Japanese Nintendo DS. The Touch Screen seems to be clear and durable to me.
#33219 - Boeboe - Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:16 pm
| Filb wrote: |
| I own a Japanese Nintendo DS. The Touch Screen seems to be clear and durable to me. |
like I said before. Maybe the japanese units got the best of both sides?
#33230 - dagamer34 - Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:19 pm
| Boeboe wrote: |
| Filb wrote: | | I own a Japanese Nintendo DS. The Touch Screen seems to be clear and durable to me. |
like I said before. Maybe the japanese units got the best of both sides? |
Unlikely. The release of the system in both territories was within 2 weeks. And since the units are only produced in 3 places, all of which are located near Japan, whatever units come our way are still similar to the ones over there.
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#33235 - EaDS Milliways - Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:54 pm
You know, it had slipped my mind, but there WAS only a two week span between releases. Just gotta say that this was REALLY cool to see the US and Japan get product at about the same time (even if we didn't get Wario and the Band game).
#33248 - abilyk - Sat Jan 01, 2005 1:56 am
| EaDS Milliways wrote: |
| You know, it had slipped my mind, but there WAS only a two week span between releases. Just gotta say that this was REALLY cool to see the US and Japan get product at about the same time (even if we didn't get Wario and the Band game). |
Not only that, but North America got the DS first. There have been some Nintendo games that have come out in NA first (like Mario Kart: Double Dash, IIRC), but I believe this is the first Nintendo system to have done so.
#33258 - dagamer34 - Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:23 am
| abilyk wrote: |
| EaDS Milliways wrote: | | You know, it had slipped my mind, but there WAS only a two week span between releases. Just gotta say that this was REALLY cool to see the US and Japan get product at about the same time (even if we didn't get Wario and the Band game). |
Not only that, but North America got the DS first. There have been some Nintendo games that have come out in NA first (like Mario Kart: Double Dash, IIRC), but I believe this is the first Nintendo system to have done so. |
I think the system was ready for release in Japan when it was released over here, it's just that Nintendo wanted the finish production of the Japanese versions of its DS lauch games first as it was going to battle the PSP around it's launch. Over here, the PSP's release is still 2-3 months away. And there is still no info on launch dates/games etc...
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#33376 - manicdvln - Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:12 pm
| Filb wrote: |
Umm, can anyone tell me what type of Touch Screen I have?
-> A photo
I own a Japanese Nintendo DS. The Touch Screen seems to be clear and durable to me. |
You got clear version, I suggest you call for replacement if you can or you better buy third party screen protector or nintendo's official one which right now is only to be sold in japan.
You can find it on ebay or lik-sang.com
#33377 - Filb - Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:20 pm
| manicdvln wrote: |
You got clear version, I suggest you call for replacement if you can or you better buy third party screen protector or nintendo's official one which right now is only to be sold in japan.
You can find it on ebay or lik-sang.com |
Hmm, so it's bad to have the clear version? Damnit.
Well, thank you.
#33378 - zigg - Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:22 pm
Those of you who got the "clear" screen and are panicking -- just hold on a moment and think about it.
I'm pretty sure I got the clear, flexible version as well, but I've had it since launch day, and while there are a few small scratches on the surface, they are completely invisible unless I'm really looking for them, and they don't affect the performance of the screen one bit -- the DS's touch screen is bar none the best-performing touch screen I've ever used, and it still works just as well as it did on day one. I've played through all 150 stars on Super Mario 64 DS as well as all three game modes on Feel the Magic plus most of the Memories stars, and the thing still works wonderfully.
Is it really worth a replacement this early in the game? The US DS is warranted for a year. I don't see a problem with waiting around for an official announcement, some more solid information, or a decrease in performance or visibility that I can actually see during use.
#33379 - manicdvln - Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:27 pm
You have a good point zig, replacement is free btw, and Nintendo pays for the shipping.
I do not think there will be an official announcement on this, because alot of customers would be pissed, I think Nintendo, if they are aware of this problem by now, will deal with it at the individual level, meaning, anyone who has a clear screen, will not be notified by nintendo, and people here like us will have to figure out that there are 2 kinds of screens and ask for replacement.
Remember, no one would have figure this out if they didn't have a second DS to compare it, hoping that the second one had the second type of touch screen.
Whne i first got my DS, I thought the clear type was the standard, and even though I was very careful with it, I had 2 long scratches on my touch by playing that damn snowball mini game on mario 64.
#33381 - Filb - Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:44 pm
No scratches on mine even though I've been playing Pok?mon Dash a lot. And this game uses ONLY the touch screen for controlling. No buttons are used.
#33387 - Abscissa - Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:27 pm
| Dib wrote: |
| Kumba wrote: | I think "conspiracy" is the wrong word for it. It's smart business sense. Damn smart business sense, and if I were in the same situation, I'd make the same or similar decision. I'd personally applaud Nintendo for this move if it's close to what actually occured.
Anyone who follows politics a little will see the same tatic used all the time, since if you make a mistake, even a simple one, it can get blown really far out of proportion. If Nintendo spent months and months touting "Touch! is good", then people discover poor-quality touch screens, it's roughly the same equivalent of what happened to poor Bernard Kerik. If Nintendo made a small mistake to go with a different style of touch screen that later turned out to be poor, then they quickly switch to a more durable one and quietly swap out as many units as they can w/o attracting media attention, then they've succeeded. |
Didn't I see you on my street corner the other day, waving a bible around and yelling about how GW Bush was a dragon and he stole your soul? The guy with the dirty underwear (where were your pants, anyway?)
The problem with your little theory is that it's completely baseless. It's conjecture, it's speculative, and you have nothing to support it other than unverified claims that there are more than one touch screen (which at the moment isn't even a certainty). From that starting point you've woven this plot, but never bothered to notice that none of it has the slightest empirical foundation.
The saddest thing is that despite your specious reasoning, it's even been refuted because, as manicdvln wrote, even if there were multiple touch screens they would all have come out at the same gerneral time. Therefore your claims that Nintendo is engaging in a massive coverup couldn't possibly hold. |
Geez, Dib, calm down for once. He had an idea, presented it as just an idea, never said anything like "this is how it is, period". If you disagree then disagree, no need to pounce on him about it. Maybe you can start contributing something useful to these forums sometime soon instead of constantly bitching and flaming, hmm?
#33430 - kaeru23frog - Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:43 am
This may be unrelated, but I've noticed that my sister's DS (which we got very recently) has a somewhat different plastic than mine (which I got at launch). The feel and color is different. I think Nintendo may have cut some corners to ship more units for Christmas, but there is nothing wrong with her DS and I am not complaining.
I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo used a greasy film on the touch screen for protection which would explain why alot of scratches seem to wipe away and some screens look fuzzy. Perhaps they changed the process and that is why some are clear looking... or maybe some DSs have more grease than others.
I don't think Nintendo is trying to cover anything up. This is new ground for Nintendo, and aside from unpopular systems like the Game.com this is the first time a touch screen has been used in a game system. They are probably just trying to provide the best service as possible since they are trying something new.
I think it is best to get a screen protector, but it pisses me off that I haven't seen any for sale with just a bottom screen protector. The top screen already has one that you can replace if you need to. I am a little annoyed that the screen protector I have sticks to the screen with an adhesive, there is plenty of room around the touch screen to add a slide in cover like they have for PDAs. Those are probably a better choice anyway.
Sorry, I better cut this post off... its too long
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#33442 - Kumba - Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:02 pm
| Dib wrote: |
| Didn't I see you on my street corner the other day, waving a bible around and yelling about how GW Bush was a dragon and he stole your soul? The guy with the dirty underwear (where were your pants, anyway?) |
As far as I can tell, I have done nothing to offend anyone, bash/debunk any idea, or otherwise act negative in any of my posts thus far. Thusly, your comment is completely unwarranted.
| Dib wrote: |
| The problem with your little theory is that it's completely baseless. It's conjecture, it's speculative, and you have nothing to support it other than unverified claims that there are more than one touch screen (which at the moment isn't even a certainty). From that starting point you've woven this plot, but never bothered to notice that none of it has the slightest empirical foundation. |
Exactly -- It's conjective, it's speculative, it has no independently-verifiable scientific backing whatsoever, aside from my own observations. At no point in my post did I state that my theory was the truth, that I could back it up, or that I was right and everyone else was wrong. This is the entire point of theories and hypothesises -- Sometimes they ARE wrong, sometimes they ARE right, sometimes they're a little of both, and sometimes, they're nothing at all. What's important is that I proposed it. What should happen then, is other people take it in, work it around their own thought processes, and form their own opinion that can either back my theory, debunk my theory, enhance my theory, degrade my theory, and so on. This is the process through which we ultimately arrive at a perceived truth.
And yes, the word "theory" has multiple meanings, some of which imply that I have pre-existing evidence, but other definitions also imply it can be conjecture. I quote the following from Dictionary.com (bold highlights pertinent definitions):
| Quote: |
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture. |
| Dib wrote: |
| The saddest thing is that despite your specious reasoning, it's even been refuted because, as manicdvln wrote, even if there were multiple touch screens they would all have come out at the same gerneral time. Therefore your claims that Nintendo is engaging in a massive coverup couldn't possibly hold. |
You obviously failed to understand from what angle I was presenting my theory. I did not state it as a coverup, and I even suggested in the post in question that "conspiracy" was too strong a word. I simply offered up an idea, a concept, a unproven theory, whatever you wish to call it.
Ultimately, I find your attitude and rather negative response to me to be completely unwarranted. I suggest before making a response to this post, or any other post, that you put some real thought into your answer, and try to act more mature. Treat me with respect, and I will return it in kind.
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#33443 - Fatnickc - Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:16 pm
| abilyk wrote: |
Not only that, but North America got the DS first. There have been some Nintendo games that have come out in NA first (like Mario Kart: Double Dash, IIRC), but I believe this is the first Nintendo system to have done so. |
Well, you did get it before Japan, but Europe got it first. Now who's lucky? Yea, still you...
EDIT : I am talking about Double Dash here.
#33782 - manicdvln - Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:03 am
I think this thread has gone slightly off-topic.
Btw, Nintendo will replace scratched DS'es if you blame it on stylus, which you have the right to do so.
Don't submit to lazyness, call up nintendo and demand replacement or repair.
If your DS got scratched already, guess what would happen 6 months from now. Don't tolerate it.
Also, doesn't matter if you have coated version or not, BOTH will get scratched, since I have scratched both types of LCDs with stylus with negligable pressure.
So I suggest everyone buys screen protectors for bottom touch screen, no matter which type you got.
#33824 - abigsmurf - Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:38 pm
I can't see how people are scratching their screens so easily with syluses
the one I've got (the tinted one) clearly has a non-stick type coating on it, it should be next to impossible to make a scratch that doesn't easily rub out. even making an effort using a chiseling motion, you should be hard pressed to mark it using a soft plastic
my guesses are either:
A: The stylus tip has a metal core (has anyone taken one apart?)
b: People are using a screen cleaner that does something to the coating
c: it's rubbing up against a metal object in a bag/pocket
#33831 - manicdvln - Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:48 pm
| abigsmurf wrote: |
I can't see how people are scratching their screens so easily with syluses
the one I've got (the tinted one) clearly has a non-stick type coating on it, it should be next to impossible to make a scratch that doesn't easily rub out. even making an effort using a chiseling motion, you should be hard pressed to mark it using a soft plastic
my guesses are either:
A: The stylus tip has a metal core (has anyone taken one apart?)
b: People are using a screen cleaner that does something to the coating
c: it's rubbing up against a metal object in a bag/pocket |
Believe it, the stylus itself scratches the LCD touch screen even with coating.
This is because the sylus itself is a 2 piece mold, meaning, it can have jagged edges in certain angles that can scratch your DS.
When I scratched the bottom touch screen with stylus, i tried again with same angle, it scratched again. Then I rotated stylus and tried with another angle, and no scratches, even if I press hard.
I suggest everyone inspects their stylus before usage, they can chip or have mold defects that can damage your screen.
Too bad Nintendo simply couldn't just spray the tip with teflon and make the tip only 1 piece.
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#33948 - kaeru23frog - Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:22 pm
| manicdvln wrote: |
| Too bad Nintendo simply couldn't just spray the tip with telfon and make the tip only 1 piece. |
Seriously. I was dissappointed with the quality of the stylus, and I use a third-party japanese one now.
BTW, the airform cases on lik-sang come with a neat strap that, to me, is preferable to both the stylus and the thumb strap in most occasions. I have a screen cover though, so I am not sure if it would scratch a normal screen or not. I haven't seen it sold seperatly, and that blows. This is sounding like an ad, so I'll shut up now. Here is a link if you care: http://www.lik-sang.com/image.php?category=276&products_id=6240&img=nds-airform-ugame-silver
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#33958 - baku - Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:34 pm
i would definately say dont send your DS back if you have a clearer touch screen, as pointed out before, there are screens with both resistant AND clear qualities.
indeed, i got mine recently from japan (lik-sang) and i cant see any difference at all between the two screens, and mine cant be scratched.
it has the diagonal lines on the touch plastic.
so if you are happy with the resistant quality of your DS, then dont send it back or you may not receive a similar unit.
major reviewers such as EDGE mag and others have noted the poor stylus quality, and after reading ppls posts about their stylii, i would imagine its that that is the culprit, not the screen.
(although i am interested in someone finding any difference in the new asian version with UK voltage)
#33963 - Boeboe - Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:38 pm
| baku wrote: |
| i would definately say dont send your DS back if you have a clearer touch screen, as pointed out before, there are screens with both resistant AND clear qualities. |
mine has the same properties (also a japanese unit)
but don't bother, baku. I already told them that, but the people on this forum refuse to believe it :s
#34008 - manicdvln - Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:53 pm
| Boeboe wrote: |
| baku wrote: | | i would definately say dont send your DS back if you have a clearer touch screen, as pointed out before, there are screens with both resistant AND clear qualities. |
mine has the same properties (also a japanese unit)
but don't bother, baku. I already told them that, but the people on this forum refuse to believe it :s |
It can't have scratch resistant coating and clear screen at the same time, because the coating itself degrades the clarity of the screen. The coasting is like vasseline like feel to it, and texture makes the screen look a bit like fogged up.
Once again, i have compared many DS'es, and if you want to know if you have clear or coated version.
Check the top DS screen and then look at the bottom screen when starting DS with white boot screen. If both screen are similiarily clear, it means you have clear screen.
If the bottom has a bit of degraded clarity with a bit of crystalized fuzz look, then you have coated version.
Clear screen are also ruff with the stylus, and does not slide as smoothly with coated version.
#34025 - Gatchers - Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:16 pm
I got two DSes when I was in the US at launch. Neither of them have scratches yet.
One seems completely clear, and the other, the main one I use, has the 'digaonal lines' Daku mentioned.
Is this 'Diagonal lines' type another type? It doesn't look chrystallised.
#34042 - manicdvln - Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:48 pm
| Gatchers wrote: |
I got two DSes when I was in the US at launch. Neither of them have scratches yet.
One seems completely clear, and the other, the main one I use, has the 'digaonal lines' Daku mentioned.
Is this 'Diagonal lines' type another type? It doesn't look chrystallised. |
It would be nice if you posted a screenshot.
#34052 - baku - Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:22 am
im not being funny, but my DS's pixels are identical to the top screen, and it has a non- denting hard wearing coating.
ive owned every handheld system except a wonderswan, and i do know what screens are like...
the touchfilm does not blur or crystallise my lower screen in any way, yet i have completed Feel the Magic which requires very rough stylus action (i mean like whipping it up and down for ages hard) and theres not one scratch...
so.... 0_o
#34053 - manicdvln - Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:37 am
| baku wrote: |
im not being funny, but my DS's pixels are identical to the top screen, and it has a non- denting hard wearing coating.
ive owned every handheld system except a wonderswan, and i do know what screens are like...
the touchfilm does not blur or crystallise my lower screen in any way, yet i have completed Feel the Magic which requires very rough stylus action (i mean like whipping it up and down for ages hard) and theres not one scratch...
so.... 0_o |
Screenshot please. I can't believe that, either you are unable to see the difference or you don't know what you are talking about (no offense). It's simple fact that if there is anti-scratch coating on bottom screen, there is no way whatsoever that it will match same clarity with top screen.
I have played with 6 DS'es now, so what you are saying is not just illogical but unheard of.
#34063 - mymateo - Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:24 am
| manicdvln wrote: |
| Screenshot please. |
It would be nice if everyone had a good enough camera to take a close shot with enough clarity to easily distinguish between clear, blurry, crystalized, diagonal lines, scratches, or whatever else it is you want to see in the pic. You *might* just have to take his word for it.
#34070 - manicdvln - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:21 am
| mymateo wrote: |
| manicdvln wrote: | | Screenshot please. |
It would be nice if everyone had a good enough camera to take a close shot with enough clarity to easily distinguish between clear, blurry, crystalized, diagonal lines, scratches, or whatever else it is you want to see in the pic. You *might* just have to take his word for it. |
Well I have played with 6 DS'es and have screenshots and lots of talk with nintendo reps.
So it will be hard to take the word of people who only played with 1 DS, no screenshot and are less knowledgeable than me on this issue.
Still i will give the benefit of a doubt and would like to see some screenshots, not just for evidence but aswell for general information of what the hell is going on in nintendo manufacturing.
#34074 - mymateo - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:51 am
| baku wrote: |
| the touchfilm does not blur or crystallise my lower screen in any way, yet i have completed Feel the Magic which requires very rough stylus action (i mean like whipping it up and down for ages hard) and theres not one scratch... |
It sounds to me like it doesn't matter how many DS'es you play with, it doesn't change how "knowledgeable" you are on the topic of "This is what I see when I look at the screen". It seems the only real knowledge you need is -How do I describe the screen- and -Is the screen resistant to scratches-. I'm sure you know an awful lot, but I still have faith that baku, Gatchers and others are able to discern for themselves what their screens are like.
However, I agree it would be nice to be able to compare DS'es from around the world from different people with different ways of using their DS'es (play a lot vs. barely play, treats like crystal vs. treats it like a toy, etc). I, too, would like to know what Nintendo is doing. It's too bad big companies like these can't be a little more open about what they do. But, hey, that's the world we live in. And attitudes like "That's the world we live in" are why it's going to stay that way.
That's my $0.02, though I doubt anyone would pay that.
#34080 - Boeboe - Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:44 am
Isn't sony also using a both clear AND scratch resistant screen? It can be done.
Fact is, every person I know that owns a Japanese DS (only 3 people, but still :p) claims to have a clear, scratch-resistant screen. To those claiming that this simply can not be true: have you held a Japanese DS unit in your hands?
#34082 - Gatchers - Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:54 am
manicdvln, the images that were first posted here are terrible. I can barely tell any difference.
I have an image I've just taken which very clearly shows the diagonal lines. I don't have time to crop and upload it as I'm about to go to work, if someone wants me to mail it to them to do so, PM me here and I'll mail it from work.
I have previously described a manufacturing process which is common among mass-market consumer electronics. I work on the design and development of very similar types of devices with similar display technology and a similar market and which shares some of Nintendo's suppliers. One thing I can safely say is that you cannot claim to be knowledgable in this area, you cannot take the word of reps you'll ever be able to get hold of on the phone or by email regarding the company's manufacturing process, and you cannot make judgement on a sample of 6 units - this is absolutely by no means a reasonable cross section of samples!
Besides, the story in this thread has already moved from 'it's the screens' to 'it's the stylus' anyway.
#34088 - baku - Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:47 pm
i dont have a camera with sufficent macro quality to show you the pixel attributes,
but..
i can say that because the touchfilm has a diagonal effect, your eyes will see the visible pixels plus the effect in a slightly different way to those which are not under a diagonal striped film.
however, as the diagonals are near-invisible, the effect makes for only the barest difference. i dont believe you will view both screens displaying a solid colour in a different way.
and yes, the topic is about the stylus scratching anyways..
#34096 - manicdvln - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:30 pm
| Gatchers wrote: |
manicdvln, the images that were first posted here are terrible. I can barely tell any difference.
I have an image I've just taken which very clearly shows the diagonal lines. I don't have time to crop and upload it as I'm about to go to work, if someone wants me to mail it to them to do so, PM me here and I'll mail it from work.
I have previously described a manufacturing process which is common among mass-market consumer electronics. I work on the design and development of very similar types of devices with similar display technology and a similar market and which shares some of Nintendo's suppliers. One thing I can safely say is that you cannot claim to be knowledgable in this area, you cannot take the word of reps you'll ever be able to get hold of on the phone or by email regarding the company's manufacturing process, and you cannot make judgement on a sample of 6 units - this is absolutely by no means a reasonable cross section of samples!
Besides, the story in this thread has already moved from 'it's the screens' to 'it's the stylus' anyway. |
I am pretty sure your word is better than mine since you only used 1 DS.
Anyways, i got fed up by unappreciative ingrates like yourselves, fuck if I care if you don't believe me.
And if you can't tell the difference in my screenshots, thats because YOU HAVENT HAD MORE THAN 1 DS AND CANT SEE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
THE CLEAR ONE HAS NO ANTI-SCRATCH COATING, I HAVE HAD 4 DIAGONAL EFFECT CLEAR TOUCH SCREENS, AND THEY ARE MORE FRAGILE THAN COATED VERSION. THEY ALSO ROUGHER ON THE STYLUS, WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR STYLUS ON THE SURFACE IT HAS A ROUGH FEELING.
THE COATED VERSION ARE MORE FIRM AND HAVE A FOG LIKE COATING ON IT, WHICH SHOWS ITS SPRAYED WITH SOMETHING. THEY ALSO MOVE WITH STYLUS ON THE SURFACE MUCH MORE SMOOTHLY LIKE YOU THINK ITS SPRAYED WITH VASSELINE.
God some of you are dumb.
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU DISCUSS DIFFERENCES OF SCREENS WITH ME IF YOU NEVER INVESTIGATED, COMPARED WITH OTHER DS'ES.
No more responses from me on this issue, and when your touch screens does get scratched, dont come crying to me.
#34099 - dagamer34 - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:39 pm
| manicdvln wrote: |
| Gatchers wrote: | manicdvln, the images that were first posted here are terrible. I can barely tell any difference.
I have an image I've just taken which very clearly shows the diagonal lines. I don't have time to crop and upload it as I'm about to go to work, if someone wants me to mail it to them to do so, PM me here and I'll mail it from work.
I have previously described a manufacturing process which is common among mass-market consumer electronics. I work on the design and development of very similar types of devices with similar display technology and a similar market and which shares some of Nintendo's suppliers. One thing I can safely say is that you cannot claim to be knowledgable in this area, you cannot take the word of reps you'll ever be able to get hold of on the phone or by email regarding the company's manufacturing process, and you cannot make judgement on a sample of 6 units - this is absolutely by no means a reasonable cross section of samples!
Besides, the story in this thread has already moved from 'it's the screens' to 'it's the stylus' anyway. |
I am pretty sure your word is better than mine since you only used 1 DS.
Anyways, i got fed up by unappreciative ingrates like yourselves, fuck if I care if you don't believe me.
And if you can't tell the difference in my screenshots, thats because YOU HAVENT HAD MORE THAN 1 DS AND CANT SEE THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
THE CLEAR ONE HAS NO ANTI-SCRATCH COATING, I HAVE HAD 4 DIAGONAL EFFECT CLEAR TOUCH SCREENS, AND THEY ARE MORE FRAGILE THAN COATED VERSION. THEY ALSO ROUGHER ON THE STYLUS, WHICH MEANS WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR STYLUS ON THE SURFACE IT HAS A ROUGH FEELING.
THE COATED VERSION ARE MORE FIRM AND HAVE A FOG LIKE COATING ON IT, WHICH SHOWS ITS SPRAYED WITH SOMETHING. THEY ALSO MOVE WITH STYLUS ON THE SURFACE MUCH MORE SMOOTHLY LIKE YOU THINK ITS SPRAYED WITH VASSELINE.
God some of you are dumb.
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU DISCUSS DIFFERENCES OF SCREENS WITH ME IF YOU NEVER INVESTIGATED, COMPARED WITH OTHER DS'ES.
No more responses from me on this issue, and when your touch screens does get scratched, dont come crying to me. |
I think this was uncalled for....
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Little kids and Playstation 2's don't mix. :(
#34101 - Gatchers - Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:42 pm
Well, I think you lost it there, didn't you? :-) That outburst was uncalled for, and really, you should apologise.
If you read my earlier mail, you'll know that I actually own 2 DSes. I've used many, many more.
And nowhere did I say that the two different display types you referred to don't exist - I just said that the picture was terrible. It's you who refuses to believe that there is another display type, calling people who have seen these types unknowledgable (compared to you) and illogical.
So, to repeat using simple words - there are at least 3 types of screens. Anything other than that, you don't know. Don't assume that someone with less than 6 screens doesn't know anything, and don't assume that someone who does have 6 screens knows everything.
In other words, apply complete thought to this.
#34107 - Boeboe - Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:21 pm
manicdvln is getting jealous of the people with the clear unscratchable screens? That or he has a cat running around in the house, pressing random gibberish on his keyboard :s
#34121 - baku - Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:30 pm
| manicdvln wrote: |
when your touch screens does get scratched, dont come crying to me. |
i dont really think you needed to worry about that one anyways! :D
people can comment on DS's with you because they own one. they own a DS which they can tell you about with a certainty.
my advice would be look into buying a 3rd party stylus, and if your screen does get scratched, swap it for a new one.
simple.
#35696 - Gatchers - Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:59 pm
Hi,
I've just received one of the 3,000 units available to Europeans ahead of the Euro DS launch. These are Euro DS units, with Mario 64 (US game in European packging - hence they call this 'pre-release'), A Wario Ware Touched! Demo, the US Metroid Prime demo and a T-shirt.
Anyway, the differences are the sticker on the underside (as I recall, there's a matte and gloss version of the US sticker) and - the screen on this is the crystallised one, though the crystallisation appears below the surface of the touchscreen, so the surface itself is smooth.
#35739 - syn[] - Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:45 am
About the stylus scratching screens, i have found a simple way to fix it (if you catch it early!) I used to use this on my PDA styli and I make my own custom styli this way. 1). Get a piece of printer paper. 2). Take the stylus and move it in a circular motion while pressing semi-firmly down on the paper. 3). Repeat until the stylus nub is smooth and uniform.
I hope this helps some of you guys, I always do it with new styli, just to make sure ;)
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