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http://hackds.blogspot.com/

nothing is there anymore and the link is gone from his homepage. does this mean he's revamping everything because he had a major breakthrough with the encryption? sure i'm jumping to conclusions, im just really hopeful.

maybe nintendo forced him to shut down...

Or maybe google did it ?

There was a breif test 2 for about 1-2 hours, and then a blog message about a 100% rip of the metr0id demo.

So I guess this blog outage could be good or bad...

If you look at the source you can still see all his posts.
Last one is listed below I think.

http://hackds.blogspot.com/2005/02/100-dump-i-now-dumped-secure-area.html

It's probably just a temporary error on the page.

wasnt the metroid he released before 100%? whats new?

He posted this 100% secure area dump yesterday.... so ya... I think its new.

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darkfader wrote:

Hey... my DS page is gone now too.
I give up on DS. farewell.

What??! Why?

Woah woah woah woah. WHAT? Darkfader, you are an icon among hackers. What happened? Were you coerced? *gets paranoid* Who did this to you? Obviously the Shadow Government and their trickery.

But seriously, what happened?

try to see the sarcasm people. why would he take it down if he quit? he still has a Dreamcast, and Gameboy Color page up at his site. He's obviously revamping his DS page.

hehe, that's hilarious darkfader. cant wait to see what you got coming!

See, the problem that is when I revamp a site, I generally leave the existing version up. I truly hope you're right though...[/i]

well if you'd been on IRC this afternoon you might be excused for thinking that he's serious

Ahh, see, I don't chat on the dsdev IRC channel :)

so why are his sites down?

also who can explain this

Quote:

DarkFader has leaked a two week old copy of my emulator. Any plans for a public release in the near future have been cancelled.

http://users.belgacom.net/hyperds/

So he really is quitting or what?
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assassda wrote:

also who can explain this

Quote:

DarkFader has leaked a two week old copy of my emulator. Any plans for a public release in the near future have been cancelled.

http://users.belgacom.net/hyperds/

And what is it that makes so many emu authors so childish?....

arbitrary wrote:

And what is it that makes so many emu authors so childish?....

it's really frustrating that someone leak your work, any programmer would know that

haruguchan wrote:

arbitrary wrote:

And what is it that makes so many emu authors so childish?....

it's really frustrating that someone leak your work, any programmer would know that

Yes, frustrating it is, but it's something even professional developers often have to put up with. The 'I'm taking my ball away now' attitude is still rather childish.

haruguchan wrote:

arbitrary wrote:

And what is it that makes so many emu authors so childish?....

it's really frustrating that someone leak your work, any programmer would know that

Being a non-commercial program (I assume), I don't see a really big deal with it getting out early. It's not like anyone's in danger of losing money or sales or anything. But then, I guess it's all up to the author anyway <shrug>.

When he says it was leaked, I have absolutely now idea who it could be leaked to and us not really find out.

Also, the fact that it is probably the best emulator in a position to do anything useful to anyone might make other emulator developers, shall I say, jealous? Perhaps they wanted to disassemble the emulator or something, who knows?
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that doesnt seem like something darkfader would do though, is it true? why havent we seen it? and what of his sites?

How important can a emulator be incomparison to breaking
the encryption of the DS, the work DF was working on.
Anyway am I sure the whole thing was a misunderstanding
and mistake that has got some emails a litttle hot.
In the end nobody died, so I hope eveybody can be
friends again we can get some good Homebrew HW and SW
for the DS.

I agree with nomad, it was probably a misunderstanding of some sort.

Anyway who cares if someone leaked the emulator? A) It was going to be free in the first place, and B) The author admitted it wasn't capable of complete emulation yet.

Also note that the authors says any releases in the near future are cancelled, maybe the author got too many complaints about thingx and thingy not working and decided that they'd rather flush it out more before getting swamped with people saying "Why don't you just fix it!?"

And to the fact that the person's even worked on it. Major props

I wouldn't expect an emulator like that to be decent enough for release in the "near future". So withholding releases for the "near future" doesn't sound too bad.

Then again, as someone who likes to release a lot of beta versions with full source included, my opinion on matters of leaks is highly biased.
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nomad40 wrote:

How important can a emulator be incomparison to breaking
the encryption of the DS, the work DF was working on.

As it stands, a lot of people who are itching to get developing on the DS right now are unable to do so. There are a few reasons this is true. One, building a passthrough isnt simple for everyone, and being that no one has been able to massproduce one yet, means that you DO have to build your own, or convince someone to do it for you. Not everyone is willing to take this route.

So, what options are left for people who really want to start working on stuff for the DS? An emulator seems like a good place to start, doesn't it?

I don't really think you can compare working on an emulator to working on cracking the encryption.

I can think of plenty of reasons why he could have quit:

- Pressure from Nintendo after leaking Mario and Metroid
- Work on encryption becoming too difficult for him to handle
- A certain enraged emulator writer threatening him with legal action
- Losing interest in the DS

Etc etc etc. There are tons of reasons for him to quit. I would not be surprised if he had.

I posted this on dslinux forums to:

if you check darkfaders DS page from goggle cache you can see the links to the HypeDS binarys, it seems that he have links to "leaked" binarys of the emu after all, I just hope it's some kind of misunderstanding. Nothings say that he leaked it, he could just have posted the links. Who knows? I dont think he leaked the files. I think he just had links to files, everone can make a mistake.

If he would like to f*ck with the author of HyperDS he would not have removed his DS page. When he removed it he also removed the links to leak files.

But I dont see the BIG problem by binarys is leaked from freeware software, if it was the source I would be more pissed. This seems rather childish to not realese the emu in any near future, isnt better to realese a uptodate version as soon as possible?

when WiP binaries get leaked, the authors tend to be plagued by warezing kids complaining that the emulator doesn't support ROM x y or z. Early releases are usually restricted to a small number of people that can be trusted to provide useful bug reports.

Unplanned public releases tend to slow development and annoy the coders.

arbitrary wrote:

haruguchan wrote:

arbitrary wrote:

And what is it that makes so many emu authors so childish?....

it's really frustrating that someone leak your work, any programmer would know that

Yes, frustrating it is, but it's something even professional developers often have to put up with. The 'I'm taking my ball away now' attitude is still rather childish.

Valve, Bungie, etc didn't react strongly at all banning people and threatening legal action did they...

Ultimately they're private pieces of work which the public have no right to unless the creator says so. Imagine if the emulator now appears on slashdot along with a quote from nintendo saying that they'll consider legal action. Early versions of emulators may contain clearly copyrighted code or data gained from questionable sources, used as a placeholder until later versions in which it's replace by legal custom code when functionality is in place, at which point the author wouldn't need to worry much about legal implications,

Of course its annyoing, but It must be better to realese a preview version of the emu that states that its not a complete version, just a preview. And that feature X and Y wont work.

geran wrote:

Of course its annyoing, but It must be better to realese a preview version of the emu that states that its not a complete version, just a preview. And that feature X and Y wont work.

you're obviously not a programmer, nor did you read the post above

wintermute wrote:

geran wrote:

Of course its annyoing, but It must be better to realese a preview version of the emu that states that its not a complete version, just a preview. And that feature X and Y wont work.

you're obviously not a programmer, nor did you read the post above

His post was only a couple minutes after the one before it. Probably just didn't notice it.

Soooo, I'm confused now: Was he really just joking or was he serious? (I'm sure it's none of my business, but I have to say I'm rather curious what his reason for leaving DS is, if he was in fact serious.)

Im a programmer but I didnt read the post above.

There is always the distinct possiblitiy and reality that when you say "x and y don't work" that people wont see it and will bother you anyway. Some people are just like that and don't read, self included.

wintermute wrote:

geran wrote:

Of course its annyoing, but It must be better to realese a preview version of the emu that states that its not a complete version, just a preview. And that feature X and Y wont work.

you're obviously not a programmer, nor did you read the post above

I don't see your point.

If the author was willing to help the development community, he should release builds already, starting clearly THIS EMULATOR DOES NOT PLAY GAMES. He can remove his e-mail address from webspace and/or documentation to avoid being annoyed.

In fact I can imagine other reason for not releasing it. But the fear being annoyed by newbies isn't a good reason, because you can prevent that.

Leaks are indeed anoying (I know that), but reacting to a leak saying "release plan have been cancelled" is just hurting yourself.

It would be nice whit some feedback from darkfader and the autor of HyperDS. All this is a major drama. Who's quiting what? What is leaked and what is delayd? Who leaked what? Who backstabbed who? A lot more interesting then watching "Day's of our lives" ...

Also keep in mind that seldom does the opportunity arrive for someone that is skilled technically but otherwise a regular person to feel famous, or like a celebrity. Things like this, "Any plans for a public release in the near future have been canceled." seem to happen all the time with homebrew software. It's the only way they can get a big FU out to everyone online. I agree with the person that said it's childish but it's up to the developer to decide what he wants to do with his project. For every negative comment he gets for not releasing it I'm sure there are 10 penile fluffing emails begging, "dude, you're so awesome!!!111 Please release your emulator, you've got so much talent!!1!!" making him feel more important each day.

pnice wrote:

Also keep in mind that seldom does the opportunity arrive for someone that is skilled technically but otherwise a regular person to feel famous, or like a celebrity. Things like this, "Any plans for a public release in the near future have been canceled." seem to happen all the time with homebrew software. It's the only way they can get a big FU out to everyone online. I agree with the person that said it's childish but it's up to the developer to decide what he wants to do with his project. For every negative comment he gets for not releasing it I'm sure there are 10 penile fluffing emails begging, "dude, you're so awesome!!!111 Please release your emulator, you've got so much talent!!1!!" making him feel more important each day.

you'd be wrong

http://nocash.emubase.de/mailcrap.htm

Also. Do you really think calling the author childish is going to make them want to post a DS emulator for you? Or would that give them more incentive to not want to give one to you?

Great link by the way :)

wintermute wrote:

pnice wrote:

Also keep in mind that seldom does the opportunity arrive for someone that is skilled technically but otherwise a regular person to feel famous, or like a celebrity. Things like this, "Any plans for a public release in the near future have been canceled." seem to happen all the time with homebrew software. It's the only way they can get a big FU out to everyone online. I agree with the person that said it's childish but it's up to the developer to decide what he wants to do with his project. For every negative comment he gets for not releasing it I'm sure there are 10 penile fluffing emails begging, "dude, you're so awesome!!!111 Please release your emulator, you've got so much talent!!1!!" making him feel more important each day.

you'd be wrong

http://nocash.emubase.de/mailcrap.htm

He eventually did release a public and developer's version of his emulator, you know. And ever since then, I think things have been a bit better.
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dagamer34 wrote:

wintermute wrote:

pnice wrote:

Also keep in mind that seldom does the opportunity arrive for someone that is skilled technically but otherwise a regular person to feel famous, or like a celebrity. Things like this, "Any plans for a public release in the near future have been canceled." seem to happen all the time with homebrew software. It's the only way they can get a big FU out to everyone online. I agree with the person that said it's childish but it's up to the developer to decide what he wants to do with his project. For every negative comment he gets for not releasing it I'm sure there are 10 penile fluffing emails begging, "dude, you're so awesome!!!111 Please release your emulator, you've got so much talent!!1!!" making him feel more important each day.

you'd be wrong

http://nocash.emubase.de/mailcrap.htm

He eventually did release a public and developer's version of his emulator, you know. And ever since then, I think things have been a bit better.

go back and read the page again

the mail was relating to the gbc emulator, not the gba one

nomad40 wrote:

How important can a emulator be incomparison to breaking the encryption of the DS, the work DF was working on. ...

I disagree.
Breaking the encryption will invite the pirates. While this will ensure the availability of decent DS flash cards, this will also bring on Nintendo's wrath on us all. Again.

A decent pass through is all we need.

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darkfader wrote:

Yeah... you guys don't need me. A passtrough is all you need and you got it. Just forget about me.

So you are serious about you have quit hacking the DS? Why? Any special reasons?

darkfader wrote:

Yeah... you guys don't need me. A passtrough is all you need and you got it. Just forget about me.

That's not really what I meant. But I think you understand that.
Breaking the encryption would be exciting and open up many doors, but there is a downside as well.

Not that it really matters in the end. It is only a matter of time before the pirates figure out how to load copies of DS game from GBA cart memory or wifi.

...and for the record, my post wasn't directed at Darkfader. Reading about his progress is interesting and entertaining to me although I don't program or develop anything for any of the Nintendo systems. I was talking about the WIP emulator...which is something I have no particular interest in, nor will I have any need to use in the future.

Now are darkfader.net/ds redirecting to www.hyperds.com

jesus, even drama with ds development

you will be missed darkfader, will you release your hardware specifications and rom dumps/dumping software for other developers to use?

Well.. I don't know what's going on, and I guess I don't really care. I just don't understand how DarkFader (who, as far as I am concerned is the top DS hacker) can call it quits due to one person and an emulator that most of us don't even care about.

I guess all we can hope for is that he cools down in a week or so, and realizes that we all miss him so much that he comes back and saves the day.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Would anyone be were they are without DarkFader?

or maybe....foul play! someone hacked darkfader! his password was just SDodnetniN!

but seriously...he was the first one to get passthrough/dumping/other cool stuff working, if i remember correctly.

feels kind of weird if Darkfader calls a quit, it seems that he have made so much progress in the cracking of the encryption ... maybe he just sits and laughs his ass off, too many tours to the coffeeshops =)

edit: spelling errors =)

darkfader wrote:

Yeah... you guys don't need me. A passtrough is all you need and you got it. Just forget about me.

OMG DRAMA...can you spell "attention whore"?

Really, you just showed a really different side of yourself, and it is NOT pretty.

darkfader wrote:

Two posts of that? Wow, Cryptic. :/

edit: heheh, pun not really intended ;)

He's deleted all his posts... WTF is up with darkfader...

syn[] wrote:

He's deleted all his posts... WTF is up with darkfader...

Wow, at first I thought this was just a joke. Now he's deleted all of his posts... Anyone know if this is a joke or not? Today is March 1, but shouldn't he be playing a joke on us on April 1? Maybe he's just a month ahead.

Sued under/Threatened with DMCA?

There was a message in the middle of the last hack test that said "Test is cancelled by Nintendo", but then it kept saying "Just kidding...".

<paranoid speculation>Maybe the emu author got pissed and sent Nintendo to him?</paranoid speculation>

Honestly, I am as paranoid. I am thinking something sinister is aboot.

It seems that darkfader.net just redirects to hyperds.com now.

All of DarkFader's posts (look at the all posts part of his profile) have
changed to "<deleted>".

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Well, I guess the good thing to come out of this though, as other people have said, is that: The passthrough is not only all we need to dev, but it is less likely to bring down the big-N's wrath than a DMCA-unfriendly/pirate-friendly DS flash cart.

Hmm, maybe this is a dumb question, but do the passthroughs still need a DS game to be sacrificed?

I suspect that a commercialized passthrough would have a socket for a game, just as the Game Genie has a socket for a game.
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looks like darkfader has fell of the face of the earth

This whole thing has been rather childish. However, if DarkFader decides to drop out of the DS scene, good for him. Saying that he is probably the best DS hacker right now might be true, but there are a lot of people out there who can continue his work, or just start fresh from the beginning.

People seem to think this is the end of cracking encryption for the DS, and are dropping DMCA references like there is no tomorrow. Ok fine, thats for people in the States... what about the rest of the world where the DMCA doesnt apply? And what about the people who could be working on this in private?

Stop thinking this is the "end." It isn't... so move on.

tepples wrote:

I suspect that a commercialized passthrough would have a socket for a game, just as the Game Genie has a socket for a game.

That, or it will have a built in rom with the required data for the passthrough.

nix wrote:

Ok fine, thats for people in the States... what about the rest of the world where the DMCA doesnt apply?

Us Americans tend to forget about that little detail ;). I know I overlooked it...

nix wrote:

Stop thinking this is the "end." It isn't... so move on.

I haven't noticed anyone looking at it as "the end". I know I haven't been. It's just dissapointing to see someone who's been so active and helpful in the community leave so abruptly (and mysteriously). So it's just kind of "the end" of having darkfader around. And while it's far from any end of ds dev, it's certainly poses a setback for the prospect of not needing a passthrough. (How much of a setback is debatable, of course, but that would just be nitpicking.)

tepples wrote:

I suspect that a commercialized passthrough would have a socket for a game, just as the Game Genie has a socket for a game.

isnt the point of the "pass me" to run code off the GBA flash card?

A bunch of people are talking like this is the end of DS work in any form.
Thats what I meant when I said don't think its the end.

assassda wrote:

Isn't the point of the "pass me" to run code off the GBA flash card?

Yes, but you need to gut a DS cart for the header data. What tepples means is that there will be a socket to insert a DS card, instead of the company needing to buy and gut a cart for the passthrough (Almost certainly illegal).

Why is he deleting all hist posts? Seems a bid odd to me cause if he just wanted to leave he don't have to do the work and delete all post.

NoMis

Seriously, who cares? He can do whatever he wants... if he wants to delete his own posts, good for him.

Everyone seems to be asking questions on this subject that NO ONE CAN ANSWER. Leave it alone.

nix wrote:

Everyone seems to be asking questions on this subject that NO ONE CAN ANSWER. Leave it alone.

We ask questions noone can answer because we're humans. This is what seperates us from the common monkey.

netdroid9 wrote:

assassda wrote:

Isn't the point of the "pass me" to run code off the GBA flash card?

Yes, but you need to gut a DS cart for the header data.

No, we need a DS card for everything BUT the header data.

nix wrote:

People seem to think this is the end of cracking encryption for the DS, and are dropping DMCA references like there is no tomorrow. Ok fine, thats for people in the States... what about the rest of the world where the DMCA doesnt apply? And what about the people who could be working on this in private?

Normally I would agree, but lately the EU has been passing some very big-company-friendly copyright laws and the software patent law is just around the corner.
"Circumventing copy protection mechanisms" already is or soon will be (depending on which EU country you live in) illegal in EU. Note that this has nothing to do with software patents, this is a separate copyright related law passed a few years ago.

The DS card encryption is a copy protection mechanism.

Sometimes, nintendo can be idiots.

Laws against breaking copy protection won't stop pirates, but it will stop homebrewers.

well the fact that the law is crappy and unbalanced does not change the fact that it's well the law.

Slavery was the law.
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I think it was just saying that sometimes laws don't make sense regardless.

I honestly don't see why you guys think it's stupid for the N to use encryption. Dreamcast died because you could rip every game produced. From what I saw(in local stores) it sold a good chunk of systems and very few games because you could rent/rip/burn every game with minimal effort.

But I understand the frustration of having to reverse engineer everything just so you can try out new hardware.

I think this DS reverse engineering thing should be done in private. Having web sites claiming "this was cracked" or "here is the latest dump" is just looking for plain trouble. I know that those working on this are not doing it for money, they usually do it for fame. So that would explain why every little discovery is swiftly displayed to the community via forums or web sites. But it would probably be better for everybody if this information was not made public until something really usefull is available for the homebrew community.

Anyways, I hope this won't stop further research.

TheMikaus wrote:

I honestly don't see why you guys think it's stupid for the N to use encryption. Dreamcast died because you could rip every game produced. From what I saw(in local stores) it sold a good chunk of systems and very few games because you could rent/rip/burn every game with minimal effort.

I'm not strictly opposed to Nintendo using encryption, the big problem is the current (and future, in the case of the EU) legal implications of getting around it. And the only reason that's an issue is because of the console's closed-platform nature.

Regarding the Dreamcast, there was a lot more involved in its demise than just piracy (Although I'll admit that was surely one factor).

Abscissa wrote:

I'm not strictly opposed to Nintendo using encryption, the big problem is the current (and future, in the case of the EU) legal implications of getting around it. And the only reason that's an issue is because of the console's closed-platform nature.

ok.

Abscissa wrote:

Regarding the Dreamcast, there was a lot more involved in its demise than just piracy (Although I'll admit that was surely one factor).

True. Was a good system though.

Even iff the encryption has been broken, a device could be made that only allows homebrew coding without releasing any information about how the encryption works. But in wrong hands, flashcards will be made. So I think it's better if the encryption is not broken at all.

Personally, and this is just my opinion, I feel that it will not be true homebrew untill we have a flashcard. Passthroughs are great, but untill we can have a self sufficient DS running off only the DS slot, I don't call it homebrew... Although... that passme card looks promising...

from every page on darkfader's site now:

"HyperDS is the best Nintendo DS emulator ever.
It can run commercial games despite the fact he is denying it.
Games can be downloaded from #ndstemp on EFnet.
Ask the author on #dsdev how to run games."

sounds like they had a fight to me, not legal problems

Wow, I don't come to this board very often, but is drama like this a common occurrence here?

It's just one damn guy acting like a 13-year-old who got his feelings hurt. Lots of lonely people are like that. Who cares? He sounds like he needs help, but the Internet certainly isn't the place to get it.

Let me also come out of the woodwork to share my idiotic opinion.

The laws about almost anything digital are becoming increasingly stupid. They're drafted by apathetic old farts in both houses who don't have any idea how it applies and are being led by the nose by the lobbyists of huge companies. Screw it and screw them. I stopped pirating when I was 17, but I still <deleted> emulators to <deleted> every NES and SNES game I own the cartridge to. Meanwhile, my real games and systems sit neatly stored in a box since I don't want to waste the space and time just to set them up in order to play Super Metroid for ten minutes.

That said, owning any kind of rom is illigeal, and if every single person on this board doesn't own at least one or two, may monkeys fly out of my ass. If Nintendo pulled the plug on DarkFader because he was somehow cribbing from their SDK, good for them, though I doubt it. If they did go after him, no one can blame him for taking it all down.

My own theory as to why this is happening involves the mafia, a beat up old 52' Buick, and a curious Buffulo named Morris, but it is too long to detail here.

TheMikaus wrote:

Abscissa wrote:

Regarding the Dreamcast, there was a lot more involved in its demise than just piracy (Although I'll admit that was surely one factor).

True. Was a good system though.

*sniff* I'll miss it :(

Although it was pretty cool for awhile to be able to pick up (legal) copies of brand-new games for about five bucks. (Felt bad for the authors though)

mustardseed wrote:

from every page on darkfader's site now:

"HyperDS is the best Nintendo DS emulator ever.
It can run commercial games despite the fact he is denying it.
Games can be downloaded from #ndstemp on EFnet.
Ask the author on #dsdev how to run games."

lol, I'm getting the feeling those silly rascals have exchanged about 500 rounds of heated emails by now ;). And I gotta say, that second line is pretty funny :D.

this name wrote:

Wow, I don't come to this board very often, but is drama like this a common occurrence here?

Heheh, no, not really. This is the most action we've seen in awhile.

showka wrote:

The laws about almost anything digital are becoming increasingly stupid. They're drafted by apathetic old farts in both houses who don't have any idea how it applies and are being led by the nose by the lobbyists of huge companies. Screw it and screw them.

I'm completely with you on that. I can understand that piracy (in all media) is a major problem that could really use a good solution, but I don't see anyone showing any intrest in working out something that doesn't involve screwing legitimate customers (not to mention original authors/artists) and trampling all over consumer rights.

showka wrote:

My own theory as to why this is happening involves the mafia, a beat up old 52' Buick, and a curious Buffulo named Morris, but it is too long to detail here.

LOL, I LOVE it!! That's my new belief on what went on :D.

Quote:

nix wrote:
Ok fine, thats for people in the States... what about the rest of the world where the DMCA doesnt apply?

Us Americans tend to forget about that little detail ;). I know I overlooked it...

What? There's more then America on this planet? :P

Anyway, the problem with passme is that it ties up the GBA slot for your "homebrew" code. The main reason I'd like to see a DS flash cart is so people can start working on "accessories" to use the GBA slot.. Oh.. Like GPS or USB, etc. The reason passme rocks is because it will allow the rest of the world to get cracking on writing/playing homebrew code without lugging a cart around for the FPGA setup.

Now.. Just be cause someone may or may not be working on the encription doesn't mean we can't have a DS passme flash cart. If you look at the original GBA Movie Player, it required a GBA Cart to work.. So, someone could still incorporate the passme circuit into a flash cart to free up the GBA slot for accessories. Dang.. that's a good idea.. Natrium42, what do you think about that?? :D

Lynx wrote:

Anyway, the problem with passme is that it ties up the GBA slot for your "homebrew" code. The main reason I'd like to see a DS flash cart is so people can start working on "accessories" to use the GBA slot.. Oh.. Like GPS or USB, etc.

There's no reason you can't use DS option paks from a passthrough-booted program, just as there's no reason you can't use GBA cart hardware from a multibooted program. If your program is 32 Mbit or smaller, then you can passthrough-boot from the GBA slot and then hot-swap to the option pak.
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Or if your going to the trouble to buld your own option packs it wouldn't be *too much* more effort to put a small amount of flash memory in one part of the address space and your peripheral device in what remains.

Or, optional hardware can be easily integrated into the pass through device. They are FPGA/CPLD based you know...

It is also possible to hot-swap the DS card after you have redirected execution to the GBA flash cart, so DS option paks would also work.

mustardseed wrote:

from every page on darkfader's site now:

"HyperDS is the best Nintendo DS emulator ever.
It can run commercial games despite the fact he is denying it.
Games can be downloaded from #ndstemp on EFnet.
Ask the author on #dsdev how to run games."

sounds like they had a fight to me, not legal problems

-He now changed it to-
HyperDS is the worst Nintendo DS emulator ever written by FireFly.
It cannot run commercial games so guess he's absolutely right about it.
Games can be downloaded from #ndstemp on EFnet but are not useful yet.
Do not bother the author on how to run games.
The site now also features a very outdated picture of me! Does he really think that will attrack people? HAH!
Instead... wait for DSemu. That looks more promising than HyperDS.

there's also an error message at the bottom of the screen when i looked, heh:

Code:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: f*ck_hyperds() in /home/httpd/vhosts/darkfader.net/httpdocs/ds/index.html.php on line 10

I wonder what happenned between these two. I know that DarkFader wanted to do small demos also like Joat and dovoto. He has all the hardware to be able to test out the demo.

Any clues ?
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Xirb wrote:

-He now changed it to-
HyperDS is the worst Nintendo DS emulator ever written by FireFly.
It cannot run commercial games so guess he's absolutely right about it.
Games can be downloaded from #ndstemp on EFnet but are not useful yet.
Do not bother the author on how to run games.
The site now also features a very outdated picture of me! Does he really think that will attrack people? HAH!
Instead... wait for DSemu. That looks more promising than HyperDS.

My god that's become one hell of a giant pissing contest. :/

Yup...

I think everyone needs to grow up! Or maybe I'm just to old for the scene?

w00t 100th reply

Fader's running another test...
Just to see if Gamecube Encryption is same as DS though

CapnBleigh wrote:

Fader's running another test...
Just to see if Gamecube Encryption is same as DS though

Source of that info ?
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darkfaders site

http://www.darkfader.net/ds/stats.php

Could someone make a sum up of the whole story about darfader and hyperds author(s)... I'm a little lost between rumors and childish wars... Thanks ;)
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Hey, that's cool, he's doing a distributed thing to crack the encryption.

I can see how my cpu stacks up against everyone elses...not very good at all, I'm at like 4.3k block/day, sandymac must have a few computers working on it but still!

Some people are using multiple machines, so you cant compare ... I made top 3 with 4 p4@2.8ghz running linux, 30840 block/day

NoComply wrote:

sandymac must have a few computers working on it but still!

about 20 cpus across 8 machines. It was nice to have a linux client this time.
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I have an amd 2200+, it's getting dated but I opted for a 48" widescreen hdtv instead of upgrading heheh. Not that it's a competition though, heheh.

sandymac wrote:

about 20 cpus across 8 machines. It was nice to have a linux client this time.

Wow, nice!!!

greeeg wrote:

Could someone make a sum up of the whole story about darfader and hyperds author(s)... I'm a little lost between rumors and childish wars... Thanks ;)

That's all we have right now. Rumors and childish wars :/

sandymac wrote:

About 20 cpus across 8 machines.

*Points a gun at sandymac and takes out a bag with an intel inside logo on it.*

Put the computers in the bag.

Or, in other words, 'Wow'.

netdroid9 wrote:

*Points a gun at sandymac and takes out a bag with an intel inside logo on it.*

Don't get too excited, they are idle servers until the students come back from spring break. Odds are I won't be able to come up with as many spare cycles next time.
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This is getting off-topic. Perhaps DF wanted it like this, I don't know. I mean... it wasn't like that last test was very useful to anyone.

well, it was useful in that it ruled out one option. Does it get us any farther along, not really, but it is a step regardless of the results, it's been pretty slow and people aren't really any further along than last month. Any work on the ds is a good thing, regardless of the results. Somewhere along the line, someones test will lead to important discoveries.

Also, it is a sign that maybe darkfader hasn't quit on the DS just yet. I think it's cool that anyone is even trying anything, keep it up!

$10 says that DF gave all of his encription info to DSemu just to piss off HyperDS and took it all down so HyperDS could not use it.

What does an emulator need the encryption for? For those fake encrypted (random) dumps? :)

There goes Darkfader again deleting stuff. When will this childs play end?

Well, all I can see is that DarkFader got terrified by threats.

In my opinion I think a big fight accured between those 2 (DF and FireFly, and is FireFly the same person who made a cheat software for PSX X-Plorer cheat cartridge in the old days? Cant remember the title sorry).

And in the end maybe they threaten each other resulting both projects canceled.
Or... its just me dreaming again.
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No place like DS

Or there is? :S

i think it's all firefly's fault. think about. he made all the choices here. he's the one that decided to share his project. he's the one that decided he didn't want anyone else to see it. he's the one crying right now and acting like a baby. if it wasn't for him this entire situation wouldn't exist. before you say that if DF wouldn't have done that none of this would have happened you think again. firefly would have just shared it with someone else and the same thing would have happened over and over again no matter how you slice it. there's your problem right there. poor DF getting harassed. it's not his fault. i might donate to his site just to help the poor victim out.

So if people don't follow instructions like "don't put your hand on the stove when it's hot" and they do it. It's the person who turned on the stoves fault?

I think the balme crap on both accounts is just stupid, but as to the original action it seems like it was a very simple. "Don't do this"

If you have trust between someone and a community and that trust is violated why should you produce for the community especially now that the community is bashing you?

::shrug::
Fader's comments seemed more geared towards the piracy aspect of the emulator anyway, with the way he talked about running commercial roms and such. Maybe firefly didn't want to be a part of piracy like that? Not sure.

::shrug::
I suppose we should stop pointing fingers. Enjoy.

you would think that wouldn't you, you liberal hippie.

Hey, I made a little joke animation about the situation with darkfader and firefly using pictochat cause I was bored. The quality is really shitty as it is recorded using my cheap 2mp camera, and you can't read the text words, it still looks cool though.

Too bad the start got cut off cause apparently there is a limit to how many chat messages it will store and I'm too lazy to redo the starting or finish it off. Would have to do some video editing and append multiple clips together, I captured the good part anyway.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bryanhelder/pictures3.html

just click the movie link.

Just found out you could do animations in pictochat.

Someone go to archive.org and pull down what you can. This is childish (and no, I don't mean the standard dialect of Andanese either).

EDIT: "This" refers to the behavior of DarkFader and FireFly.
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Huh? are you talking about that animation I made? It's just a joke.

if he was referring to backing up darkfaders site i have a complete copy of all the files related to ds :D

blime6001 wrote:

There goes Darkfader again deleting stuff. When will this childs play end?

What have been deleted this time?

It's a real shame that two of the most talented homebrewers out there can't just get over their little squabble. DarkFader's work on getting the DS opened up has led to huge advances for us all (like the ability to run code on a DS already), and FireFly's work with emulators is top-notch (as can be seen with his excellent GeePee32 emulator). Both are obviously quite intelligent people, so why can't they just get over this?

hyperds.com seems to be back to its previous state, along with what
seems to be new screenshots.

Yeah but read Darkfaders site. LOL

Quote:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: yay_i_won_this_game() in /home/httpd/vhosts/darkfader.net/httpdocs/ds/index.html.php on line 10

Why can't he just shut up?

blime6001 wrote:

Yeah but read Darkfaders site. LOL

Do you mean

www.darkfader.net/ds wrote:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: yay_i_won_this_game() in /home/httpd/vhosts/darkfader.net/httpdocs/ds/index.html.php on line

PhoenixSoft wrote:

Why can't he just shut up?

If you felt someone else was being an ***hole towards you, and you were sick of hate mail/death threats from them, would you shut up the instant they did?

let's just hope that both continue to work on the ds now.

PhoenixSoft wrote:

Quote:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: yay_i_won_this_game() in /home/httpd/vhosts/darkfader.net/httpdocs/ds/index.html.php on line 10

Why can't he just shut up?

Maybe he just means he finally got all the stars in Mario 64 DS ;)

Pffff, what a stupid choose from DarkFader.

To DarkFader : I sent you Private Mess to thx you for what you're doing in the DS hack and I'm disappointed that I was (and I'm still) wrong.. You can't give up just because of that stupid story (yeah, that's stupid).
Do what you want but the entire DS Hack is going to die now.

I'm disappointed...

i am sure it's not going to die.
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Why would it?

because SeKuM is saying so.
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:'(

It's dead.. I saw it. I was driving home from the store.. and yep. sure enough.. there it was along side the road.. Maybe someone can scrape it up and give it a proper barial.

they call it a scene I call it disaster
down here the kids grow up faster
scared they're scared to the bone
like a pack of wolves they don't run alone
one on one they won't look you in the eye
but when the pack's together there's a battle cry
I saw it fifteen on one
when the crowd dispersed the kid was done

no (no more)
no (bad town)
no more bad town

yeah down there you gotta have a label
just like a cattle in a stable
knee jerk reaction I call it violence
why speak out when you could be silenced
down there on the dance floor
too much violence I dont want more
down there out on the street
I can see the air I can see the heat

Hey The Chuckster, did you come on the wrong board or something?

hey thechuckster nice operation ivy spout. bad town is a fav of mine too.

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