#44934 - animeduckie - Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:50 pm
Hey.
I'm going to start compiling Firefox for NDS WinS tonight or tomorrow (or later), but before I start, I need a group. If anyone who is interested and has the skills, please contact me. Here's some people I need:
All the DS Developers I can get
All the GBA Developers I can get
A website host
A sponsor
A really rich guy. o_O
Thanks.
e-mail: animeduckie@gmail.com
AIM: mastahlink
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#44936 - Mr Snowflake - Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:54 pm
Press ctrl-alt-del and look at the memory usage of firefox. Good luck
#44943 - dagamer34 - Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:09 pm
| Mr Snowflake wrote: |
| Press ctrl-alt-del and look at the memory usage of firefox. Good luck |
The one thing I don't like about Firefox is that it seems to use up a lot more memory than IE, especially when you have multiple tabs open. Even when you close then, it's almost as if the memory isn't freed.
And then tack on extensions.. eww... =/
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#44946 - Diskun - Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:12 pm
| Mr Snowflake wrote: |
| Press ctrl-alt-del and look at the memory usage of firefox. Good luck |
PWN3D!!! lol :D
Seriously... FireFox for WinS? Better say links (or so) for NDS, running directly on the machine.
Greets :P
p.s. Making a web browser is silly while they don't develop the WiFi libs.
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#44950 - Chetic - Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:16 pm
I'm ashamed to be of the same species
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#44953 - strager - Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:19 pm
Better stay away from WinS. I heard they are working for the government. >_> <_<
Nah. :-) I'd be glad to be a part of the project, but I have better things to do like, say, poke my LCD monitor.
Thanks, but no thanks. :-D
#45129 - animeduckie - Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:54 pm
You people are the reason why America is lame.
I'm also developing other things for DSLinux and NDS WinS, along with other homebrew apps. So, please, if you don't have anything good to say, don't reply.
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#45132 - Mr Snowflake - Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:38 pm
Maybe what I say sounded harsh, but it was a real serious reply...
#45133 - Diskun - Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:48 pm
| animeduckie wrote: |
You people are the reason why America is lame.
I'm also developing other things for DSLinux and NDS WinS, along with other homebrew apps. So, please, if you don't have anything good to say, don't reply. |
I have some comments for you:
-I'm not from the USA, not even America (lol)
-First, you can be developing anything for whatever you want, you SHOULD know where are the boundaries of the DS. A full web-browser is possible, just as it is on Symbian Phones (Opera for S60, and such) but don't wait to see Flash or Java running.
-Trying to port FireFox is lame, unless you make a REALLY lite version of it. And of course you first need the functions to access the WiFi components and write a TCP/IP Stack. In Spain we say: "Don't begin building the house from the roof". I think it needs no explanation at all.
Greets and good luck
#45136 - notb4dinner - Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:47 pm
Yeah good luck with that. Minimo (the embedded version of Firefox) targets machines with >32MB RAM.
#45138 - FourScience - Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:57 pm
I agree with a lot of the "feedback" already posted.
You're probably better off writing a browser from scratch, it's not that crazy if you know what you're doing. I would write one myself, but I'm having more fun doing games that will actually function. If I did do one, I'd leave out network protocol and wait for someone else to implement the proper WiFi libraries. I'd stick to presenting HTML files at first (tables, lists, headers, etc.), and then support links, address bar, history, etc. I really think that would be a lot easier than stripping down an industry standard like Firefox.
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#45599 - Spindle - Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:31 pm
That would be so sweet but it can't be true : this and this
#45600 - tepples - Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:51 pm
Opera might have an easier time of fitting on a device with 4 MB of RAM. Minimo isn't aiming that small, and option paks are expensive.
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#45608 - assassda - Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:04 pm
why port anything? why not just make a simple browser from scratch jeez
#45632 - netdroid9 - Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:53 am
| assassda wrote: |
| why port anything? why not just make a simple browser from scratch jeez |
You have to write a program that can understand pretty much all standards of HTML and possibly XML, then display it correctly. It's not as easy as it sounds.
Firefox DS could be done, but you'd have to de-bloat it: No extensions, No themes, No plugins, etc.
#45634 - josath - Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:18 am
What about this guy?
http://www.dillo.org/
# Dillo is a web browser project completely written in C.
# Dillo is small: source is less than 420 KB, and the binary is around 350 KB!
# Dillo aims to be a multi-platform browser alternative that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible.
It's not quite as compatible as some other web browsers, but it's enough to get by.
#45641 - Mollusk - Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:48 am
Why don't we just wait for the wifi to be usable ?
#45650 - FourScience - Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:51 am
I was thinking about this myself and I think anyone needs to wait for WiFi to be usable. I wouldn't build in support for anything but HTML until AFTER WiFi libraries are available. Having a simple browser available for the DS can't be a bad thing, just don't think you need to have complete web support and don't spend too much time on it until WiFi is figured out.
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#45701 - gl0b - Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:01 pm
***mmmmmmmmmmmhh*** wifi bounty ***mmmmmmmmmhhhhh
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#45702 - Chetic - Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:10 pm
Isn't it good to be prepared though?
I mean, you could write everything but the netstuff and still have lots of fun reading downloaded webpages etc.
And then the day we get wifi, we can immediatly browse around!
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#45705 - Mr Snowflake - Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:27 pm
My thought exactly. I guess it'll take enough work to get the html displayed correctly.
#45706 - FourScience - Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:29 pm
| Chetic wrote: |
Isn't it good to be prepared though?
I mean, you could write everything but the netstuff and still have lots of fun reading downloaded webpages etc.
And then the day we get wifi, we can immediatly browse around! |
My thoughts exactly. You just never know when WiFi libs will be developed, if ever. So don't go too crazy with anything more than HTML support.
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#45988 - tepples - Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:15 pm
Even a port of Dillo just to read HTML+image e-books would be appreciated.
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#46010 - The 9th Sage - Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:00 am
| tepples wrote: |
| Even a port of Dillo just to read HTML+image e-books would be appreciated. |
I'd love to have a really portable version of DVD Demystified myself. :)
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#46032 - Mr. Picklesworth - Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:02 pm
I agree, Tepples.
Reading Ebooks and html files would be one of my main uses for such a thing, and I bet I'm not the only one :)
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#46053 - wintermute - Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:28 am
you might care to look at the dependencies of Dillo before getting all excited, the size of the binary is a very small part of the story.
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/dillo
#46054 - SmileyDude - Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:29 am
while i feel that waiting for wifi to be figured out and a TCP/IP stack to become available, i would like to toss in my vote to take a look at WebKit -- Apple's modified version of KHTML from the KDE project. Apparently, Nokia is using Webkit for a future browser on a phone.
The only drawback would be that the current version uses Objective C. But, there are plans to migrate to standard C/C++.
I dunno about memory requirements, but it's open source and worth at least a look.
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#46060 - mocnicom - Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:25 am
Too bad there is no ram extension, or high bandwidth and large save mem on any GBA carts, the processor speed should be enough it's the memory that's the problem.
#46066 - muckers - Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:45 am
Perhaps there could be a way to use it on a modified GBA MP, and save chache and all Temporary Internet files written to the CF card?
#46077 - TJ - Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:59 pm
Or it could just not save cache and temporary files in the first place...
We aren't talking about a replacement for a standard desktop browser here, just a simple HTML viewer.
#46095 - Frz - Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:50 pm
Not really a lot. GTK dependencys are only on linux i think, the win version does not use gtk imo (could be wrong tho) glib and libx is due to gtk of course libssl is for secure connection i guess we don't really need that (well not right from the start, k?) and libpng and libjpeg for image processing appear to be nescessary i guess.
Dillo might actually a good bet...