#82822 - Bas - Wed May 10, 2006 2:29 pm
Hi,
I've recently bought a DS Lite with the intention of using it, besides gaming, for homebrew development. Seeing how there's a lot of information out there that's often contradictive, outdated or geared towards GBA's, I'm wondering if I could run my thoughts by you guys before I spend my money on something I can't use.
Now, what I intend to do is run some homebrew software (like ScummVM DS) and create some DS software myself and test that on my DS Lite. If I understand everything correctly, simply getting an M3 Perfect Mini SD (with included Passkey2) should do the trick, right? Simply put the files on the SD card and run the software? No firmware flashing or anything?
Also, In order to use DS software on the M3, I need the passkey and an original DS cartridge inserted at all time, correct?
It seems so simple, I'm just wondering why a lot of people are bothering with WifiMe, Flashme etc. so much if it's simply a case of saving software to an SD card and popping it in the M3. Surely I'm missing something.
#82825 - CubeGuy - Wed May 10, 2006 2:46 pm
That's about it.
WifiMe is easy if you already have the hardware.
FlashMe eliminates the need to have a large PassMe block on the top of your DS all the times. If you have the hardware to do so, FlashMe saves a lot of time in the future.
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#82828 - Domovoi - Wed May 10, 2006 3:34 pm
Sounds good. I guess I can see the benefits of FlashMe, but I don't feel like exposing my expensive DS Lite to unofficial firmware, even though there's virtually no risks involved.
So using the passkey, I should be able to run stuff from the M3 as if it were a regular DS cartridge, right? I'm not locked into GBA-only mode?
Off topic, does anyone know if ScummVM DS supports M3 Mini SD yet? I'd prefer to get an M3 adapter that doesn't stick out of the Lite quite as much.
#82831 - CubeGuy - Wed May 10, 2006 3:38 pm
I had my doubts, but FlashMe was worth it for me. I don't know why I was hesitant in the first place.
As far as NDS mode goes, the M3 has it's quirks, but it should work like an NDS card for most things.
I'm not sure about ScummVM.
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#82835 - Dan2552 - Wed May 10, 2006 5:24 pm
erm.. wifime will not work with DS lite (except for nintendo's demos)
#82836 - pepsiman - Wed May 10, 2006 5:39 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| erm.. wifime will not work with DS lite (except for nintendo's demos) |
Sending nintendo's demos is called WMB.
WifiMe is a wireless PassMe.
WifiMe is also sent by WMB.
WMB != WifiMe.
#82919 - knight0fdragon - Thu May 11, 2006 5:00 am
expensive DS Lite thats cute, its going to be cheaper then the regular DS when it first came out, if you paid more then $130 for it bend over and stick something up the bum because ur getting screwed, just to get it a little earlier then some, when you could of bought a regular DS for a lot cheaper. then when it comes out in ur area, trade it in for the lite and still prob save money
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#82921 - HyperHacker - Thu May 11, 2006 5:09 am
| pepsiman wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: | | erm.. wifime will not work with DS lite (except for nintendo's demos) |
Sending nintendo's demos is called WMB.
WifiMe is a wireless PassMe.
WifiMe is also sent by WMB.
WMB != WifiMe. |
I recall hearing that even WMB wouldn't work on DS Lite, even when sending signed demos?
#82940 - Bas - Thu May 11, 2006 8:53 am
| knight0fdragon wrote: |
| expensive DS Lite thats cute, its going to be cheaper then the regular DS when it first came out, if you paid more then $130 for it bend over and stick something up the bum because ur getting screwed, just to get it a little earlier then some, when you could of bought a regular DS for a lot cheaper. then when it comes out in ur area, trade it in for the lite and still prob save money |
Wow, sounds like somebody is mighty jealous. Get lost, buddy.
#82943 - knight0fdragon - Thu May 11, 2006 10:32 am
jealous??? of what. My regular DS is just fine, i had to actually get grips for it for it to fill my hands more comfortably, i cant imagine something smaller. I just love how people love getting ripped off, maybe im jealous that u got ripped off and i didnt who knows
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#82945 - Bas - Thu May 11, 2006 11:11 am
| knight0fdragon wrote: |
| jealous??? of what. My regular DS is just fine, i had to actually get grips for it for it to fill my hands more comfortably, i cant imagine something smaller. I just love how people love getting ripped off, maybe im jealous that u got ripped off and i didnt who knows |
This is so funny. This is exactly the sort of reply that I always get from 13 year olds.
The question remains, why are you so passionate about how other people are 'ripped off' when you love your old DS so much? If you're so happy with yours, why care about what other people got for themselves?
Also, how do you know that I got ripped off if you don't even know what I paid for the thing, or how I got it in the first place?
#82968 - knight0fdragon - Thu May 11, 2006 4:20 pm
you called it "expensive", my little sister was able to get a DS relatively fast and she doesnt have a job, and my parents didnt give it to her as a gift or anything.
Also, you are still putting a lot of risk to the DS when using devices like Passme/key, since these are devices not licenced by the big N
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#82990 - Bas - Thu May 11, 2006 6:53 pm
| knight0fdragon wrote: |
| you called it "expensive", my little sister was able to get a DS relatively fast and she doesnt have a job, and my parents didnt give it to her as a gift or anything. |
Yes? $100 is expensive for something that's effectively a toy. I really don't see your point. And I still don't see why you care so much about what devices I own if you're so happy with what you've got.
#82993 - silent_code - Thu May 11, 2006 7:16 pm
... but you have to admit that people paying 300$ for a ds lite, that'll soon be available en mass for under 150$ ARE ... stupid, don't you?
i can't understand it. i'm waiting for the lite to hit the stores over here (in germany) and i hope i'll have the money to get one by that time. but i would never ever pay more than 150$ for that thing. i'd likely wait till it's got a reasonable price! and dude, if you got yours for 100$, i congratulate you! one of the penny arcade guys payed more than 200$ for his one! just to get it as soon as possible. (i don't want to call him stupid, he preordered it and it somehow got rare - that means there were not enough units available - and who knows what happened then... but the black market price at that time was around 300$ for the JP version!)
i think that is what kOd meant... he just kinda explained himself a bit special. (imo)
please guys, stop the flaming!
greetings @all
#82994 - CubeGuy - Thu May 11, 2006 7:30 pm
Back on topic:
I reccomend FlashMe. It doesn't actually change the firmware in negative ways like most console softmods.
- You can still use Wifi Connection.
- You can safely store the PassMe.
- You don't have a large brick sticking out the top of your sexy lite.
- Nintendo won't know about it unless they actually run a test on your firmware (which would be worthlessly time consuming).
- It adds recovery code to restore your DS if it becomes ker-skuffled.
- 100% reversable.
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#83004 - Dan2552 - Thu May 11, 2006 10:09 pm
| pepsiman wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: | | erm.. wifime will not work with DS lite (except for nintendo's demos) |
Sending nintendo's demos is called WMB.
WifiMe is a wireless PassMe.
WifiMe is also sent by WMB.
WMB != WifiMe. |
Damn, i was right before I edited and put in the ()'s then?
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Instead of flashing I recommend NOPASS :) but I havn't ordered mine yet
#83020 - CubeGuy - Fri May 12, 2006 2:11 am
But NoPass still involves an extra piece of hardware.
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#83024 - knight0fdragon - Fri May 12, 2006 3:11 am
is the flashme100% reversible, I thought you could always go back on it, but would it be as if received, or will some of the new firmware reside himself somewhere
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#83034 - HyperHacker - Fri May 12, 2006 5:23 am
It restores back to exactly how it was to begin with.
#83054 - Bas - Fri May 12, 2006 11:34 am
| silent_code wrote: |
... but you have to admit that people paying 300$ for a ds lite, that'll soon be available en mass for under 150$ ARE ... stupid, don't you?
|
Absolutely. But if somebody feels like paying $300 to get a machine a few months earlier, that's really their own damned problem, isn't it? I just don't see the point of getting all hostile over something that doesn't even affect you. Especially if you don't even know that they -did- pay $300 for it.
But hey, flaming someone over their equipment sure is a nice way to make people feel welcome. I appreciate it.
#83063 - silent_code - Fri May 12, 2006 4:25 pm
back to topic:
but with the wifime you'll have to use a gba slot card... the m3 has a sd slot... ?
i've got the same decision to make (which devkit to purchase), so it'll be cool to know what that device is worth (and if it's worth the money). i don't care about things sticking out the nds, really.
nds (retail) + m3 sd + (working) homebrew code = happy developers face
is that right? no flashing, nothing?
... and the m3 also supports save ram, right? so i can develop a game and it will run on the m3 as if it was running from an original card (like under the same conditions)... ?
i just repeated the initial post, i know...
#83072 - natrium42 - Fri May 12, 2006 6:43 pm
| silent_code wrote: |
back to topic:
nds (retail) + m3 sd + (working) homebrew code = happy developers face
|
You also need something to boot in DS mode. That means you need a *pass*2 or Max Media Launcher if you have DS with >v3 firmware. If you have v1-v3 firmware, you can also use WifiMe or *pass*1.
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#83075 - silent_code - Fri May 12, 2006 7:03 pm
i think that ships with the m3... or there is a package at least
#83313 - Bas - Mon May 15, 2006 8:51 am
| silent_code wrote: |
back to topic:
nds (retail) + m3 sd + (working) homebrew code = happy developers face
|
From what I gather from the replies here, yeah. But you also need the Passkey 2 device, with an original game inserted, if I understand how the passkey 2 works correctly.
So that means both a passkey sticking out from the top, and the M3 sticking out from the bottom. I don't care about that sort of thing either, though. I prefer it over flashing. I just hope that the passkey2 doesn't wreck the NDS slot somehow.
All the M3's I can buy here are by default bundled with a Passkey 2 device, by the way. Probably best to ask before buying to make sure.
#83446 - LargePig - Tue May 16, 2006 1:36 pm
I would go with FlashMe, i've heard a lot of people crying because they broke their ds slot with a passme type device (possibly superpass) and ds games won't stay in anymore. In fact, i've heard of more people with that problem than people who have killed the ds via flashme.....
#83458 - Bas - Tue May 16, 2006 2:16 pm
That would suck. I haven't heard any of these stories yet, though. Anybody who busted their DS slot with an M3 passkey 2?
Still, sending a broken ds to Nintendo for repair seems like less of a problem than sending a bricked DS to god-knows-who for repair, if it's even possible.
Edit: Wait, wouldn't it be a good idea to get the MAX media launcher device? What are the drawbacks of that thing?
#83502 - waruwaru - Tue May 16, 2006 6:20 pm
| Bas wrote: |
| That would suck. I haven't heard any of these stories yet, though. Anybody who busted their DS slot with an M3 passkey 2? |
The M3 passkey 2 is pretty big, and bends under the DS. This makes it awkward to lay the DS down. So, most people just flash their DS instead.
The Max Media Launcher is nice and small, so should be less of a hassle. I saw a couple of reviews/opinions already, and most people still thought it was better just to flash their DS.
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#83605 - Bas - Wed May 17, 2006 9:26 am
| waruwaru wrote: |
The Max Media Launcher is nice and small, so should be less of a hassle. I saw a couple of reviews/opinions already, and most people still thought it was better just to flash their DS. |
Why would that be better? Okay, it'd save you the trouble of putting the launcher cartidge in, but then again the launcher cartridge allows your original firmware and warranty to remain intact. I don't see anything that outweighs the advantages of the launcher.
#83623 - zxr750j - Wed May 17, 2006 12:35 pm
- If you use flashme you can recycle your passme*/launcher to Ebay.
- Flashme can remove the health-screen, i don't know if the launcher does so (yet).
- Most of the passme devices can be reprogrammed, if they somehow block the launcher, you can't.
But for now: it doesn't stick out and doesn't need an original cart = better
#83624 - Bas - Wed May 17, 2006 1:00 pm
| zxr750j wrote: |
- If you use flashme you can recycle your passme*/launcher to Ebay.
- Flashme can remove the health-screen, i don't know if the launcher does so (yet).
- Most of the passme devices can be reprogrammed, if they somehow block the launcher, you can't.
But for now: it doesn't stick out and doesn't need an original cart = better |
I'm not interested in selling on ebay or anywhere, I don't care about the health screen (it's just a button press I do automatically without even thinking about it), and they won't be able to block the launcher on a device I already own. Also, the launcher doesn't stick out and doesn't need an original cart either, so I can't see any advantages there. I guess I'm going for the launcher.
#83654 - waruwaru - Wed May 17, 2006 6:17 pm
| Bas wrote: |
| waruwaru wrote: |
The Max Media Launcher is nice and small, so should be less of a hassle. I saw a couple of reviews/opinions already, and most people still thought it was better just to flash their DS. |
Why would that be better? Okay, it'd save you the trouble of putting the launcher cartidge in, but then again the launcher cartridge allows your original firmware and warranty to remain intact. I don't see anything that outweighs the advantages of the launcher. |
I forgot to mention that the person that complained about the launcher said the DS won't go into sleep mode (close lid) properly with the launcher inserted. So, he had to swap in a authentic ds game. That sounded strange though, because I thought it's a hardware trigger in the slot, not something on the cartridge itself.
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#83660 - Bas - Wed May 17, 2006 7:00 pm
Really? That's really strange. I'll give it a try when I get mine and see what happens.
#83666 - The 9th Sage - Wed May 17, 2006 7:36 pm
| waruwaru wrote: |
I forgot to mention that the person that complained about the launcher said the DS won't go into sleep mode (close lid) properly with the launcher inserted. So, he had to swap in a authentic ds game. That sounded strange though, because I thought it's a hardware trigger in the slot, not something on the cartridge itself. |
No, it's true...although I think it's safe to say that person was running commercial game ROMs, as the homebrew I tried didn't have this problem. I just tested this myself with the Max Media Launcher. It's like it tries to go into sleep mode but wakes right back up, then tries again...over and over.
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#83783 - Bas - Thu May 18, 2006 3:45 pm
That's really weird. Then again, I'm not using the thing to play commercial ROMs, so I guess I won't encounter that problem.