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I traced the firmware write-protect (for first 512B/64KB) to the SL1 contacts
http://www.bottledlight.com/ds/index.php/Hardware/RFU
Location: http://darkfader.net/ds/files/SL1%20bridge.jpg
I'm not sure yet how to protect the firmware from malicious code, since only first 512B or 64 KB (more likely) are protected.
Perhaps we can exploit the firmware loader so that only first 512B/64KB can hold some recovery code.
Nintendo might not have planned any firmware updates. So we have to do it ourselves. Loopy is making the first patch to original firmware to allow execution from GBA cartridge.
Any more suggestions of what to put into the new firmware?

Fail-safe functions (64 KB)

Applications into ROM fs (256 KB - 64KB - ~1KB)

Applications on flashcard/cart (xxx GB)

Other features

Last edited by darkfader on Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:25 pm; edited 9 times in total

is it possible to add the tcp/ip stack? for example?
or u can only patch 512bytes?

maybe there's some ideas on this topic :

http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=5316
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Last edited by gl0b on Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:02 pm; edited 1 time in total

Great work! Correct me if I'm wrong, Does this alow "us" to not have to use the passme?
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It seems like the Holy Grail is getting it to run unsigned wireless downloads. Then together with Tim's now working communication code we could do development for updated machines without PassMes or GBA carts. I don't know how much of the firmware functionality is known, so that might be impossible (well difficult enough to count as impossible.)

I just got a second DS for wireless work, so I'd be willing to do some testing if you need it (and it only requires modest soldering skills and hardware.)

quonic wrote:

Great work! Correct me if I'm wrong, Does this alow "us" to not have to use the passme?

Actually it was Loopy that did most of the hard work.
As ecurtz said, it will allow running code without needing a PassMe. But you still need either a PassMe or WifiMe to program the firmware.
Perhaps when firmware is misflashed, some hardware expertise is required to fill it again.

darkfader wrote:

quonic wrote:

Great work! Correct me if I'm wrong, Does this alow "us" to not have to use the passme?

Actually it was Loopy that did most of the hard work.
As ecurtz said, it will allow running code without needing a PassMe. But you still need either a PassMe or WifiMe to program the firmware.
Perhaps when firmware is misflashed, some hardware expertise is required to fill it again.

lol. WiFiMe.
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are we going to have to solder the bridge joint to be able to flash the firmware?

You can just temporarily short these contacts while flashing. The idea is that it's going to be needed just once and that this small area will contain code that gives a backup bootmethod (GBA cartridge) in case the rest of the firmware gets erased by a maliscious homebrew program.

1: Is it funny or is it just me, the fact that it is that simple to bypass protection to the firmware? ( is that a sign that the big N wanted firmware updates)

2: If you added tcp/ip support wouldn't that mean you would lose the so called NIFI support due to the firmware size?

3: The best would be to add codec support for many audio, video and graphics, also using a GBA flash cart as a hard drive, you could also store GBA and DS roms. that would make it great, but probably unrealistic....
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If Nintendo wanted firmware updates, why wouldn't they have a usb port on the system, a cable that connects to the ds card slot, or something?
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Mr. Picklesworth wrote:

If Nintendo wanted firmware updates, why wouldn't they have a usb port on the system, a cable that connects to the ds card slot, or something?

If the firmware were to be updated at all, my best bet would be that a new DS game or something would do it. Requiring a computer isn't too practical in terms of how limiting such a procedure would be.

Think of the compatiblity issues. Windows suddenly crashing while flashing! The great evils Microsoft creates! :)
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just make a new firmware that is able to run ds code from the gba slot

assassda wrote:

just make a new firmware that is able to run ds code from the gba slot`

darkfader wrote:

Loopy is making the first patch to original firmware to allow execution from GBA cartridge.

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All I want is what Loopy is apparently already working on :)

I'm guessing the firmware is CRC checked by various things? Will this impair our ability to play commercial games, or use the online services? Why do I sense a second DS purchase coming up ;)

Mr. Picklesworth wrote:

If Nintendo wanted firmware updates, why wouldn't they have a usb port on the system, a cable that connects to the ds card slot, or something?

They wouldn't want to make it something anyone would be fooling around with. By putting the pads and ports (I am assuming VR1 and VR2 in the picture are ports of some kind) accessable from behind the battery door, they make it so normal users will never notice them, yet Nintendo technicians could still access them if they ever needed to reflash. Also, by making any flash writes require a short across SL1, they prevent any future wifi viruses from changing the firmware without the user's consent.

As it is, it looks like Nintendo could pop the pattery door off, short SL1, connect to VR1/2 (assuming they are ports of some kind) and reflash the unit without much trouble, but the average Joe would never notice/screw around with it.

unlikely, VR1 and VR2 look just like VOLTAGE REGULATORS, not some kind of data connectors. WIRELESS UPDATES IS SOMETHING THEY CAN DO.

Just think, you pop in your new Mario Kart DS or any other Wifi ready game, and while it sets up, a new update is loaded and you get the lovely message, " please turn off the system, updates installed"

THE BIG N

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Would it be impossible to change the GBA button config in a new firmware upgrade? For example, changing the B->Y and A->B. This would make the GBA games feel much more familiar to kids who grew up with the Super Nintendo.

I reckon that Nintendo will just distribute flash carts to all games stores so you just go in, get the (TCP/IP hopefully) update in the shop and then go again. It is done all the time in phone shops so why not games ones. Once the DS is online all future downloads can be made over the net.

The TCP/IP implementation is not on your Network card, it's in Windows/Linux/whatever OS you have. On the DS the TCP/IP implementation is not in the BIOS/Firmware but in the games (that has it/will have it).
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FluBBa wrote:

The TCP/IP implementation is not on your Network card, it's in Windows/Linux/whatever OS you have.

if that were true, the DS would have been tunneled in November.

Boeboe wrote:

FluBBa wrote:

The TCP/IP implementation is not on your Network card, it's in Windows/Linux/whatever OS you have.

if that were true, the DS would have been tunneled in November.

No, because the DS doesn't support tcp/ip. And not all drivers/card are able to directly communicate on the same level as the ds

Mr Snowflake wrote:

And not all drivers/card are able to directly communicate on the same level as the ds

you disagree with me, yet you prove my point again :p

Boeboe wrote:

Mr Snowflake wrote:

And not all drivers/card are able to directly communicate on the same level as the ds

you disagree with me, yet you prove my point again :p

The thing is that the DS hardware is capable of TCP/IP but they actually use their own protocoll to communicate with each other.
Games can use a TCP/IP stack if they provide the driver along with the game. This will most likely be the case for the upcoming onlinegames because otherwise they couldn't be used with any wireless hotspot.

The problem with tunneling is that you will need your own driver that actually supports the custom protokoll that Nintendo is using but that can't be done on all wireless adapters.

I don't know all the technical information either but there is a 36 page thread that explains all this.

NoMis

I want to see the LR triggers mapped to X and Y for GBA games. Fighting games and some ports would be a hell of a lot easier.

If you are unfamiliar with networking these are the seven layers:
7 Application
6 Presentation
5 Session
4 Transport
3 Network
2 Data Link
1 Physical

Only 1 and 2 are hardware based, and possibly configurable by the firmware on the DS. 3 to 7 are all going to implemented in the game. TCP/IP is a relationship between layers 4 and 3.

Would it be possible to make "levels" for backlight ? Just like the PSP does (switch to a higher or lower backlight with a combinaison of buttons). I thought Nintendo would have done the same because it sucks in GBA Mode (you can't change that in game...)

Again an awesome news for the scene.

Way to go to the person who've found the firmware write/flash protection track!!!!!
Sound pretty bad though that only the first 512kbytes are protected.

Bad homebrew code could be developped.

Keep up the good work sceners!
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Boeboe wrote:

Mr Snowflake wrote:

And not all drivers/card are able to directly communicate on the same level as the ds

you disagree with me, yet you prove my point again :p

I do not. I stated that tcp/ip isn't integrated...
You know what? Actually it doesn't mind. Point is: it's great to have the possibility to write the bios :P
But what exactly is in the first 512 bytes? I can't believe Nintendo made it possible to write the other part of the bios without this "hack"! Perhaps the first part handles the copyprotection thingy and the rest was supposed to be flashed.

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Any more suggestions of what to put into the new firmware?

Colour Pictochat? Or online Pictochat? Or a web browser?

Or am I just being hopeful?

Couldn't the firmware be updated to run DS code from the GBA slot?

I'm not too hot and programming and the like, so I don't know what's actually possible in practice. I'm just putting foward some Ideas, that might be quite cool.

Some Ideas:

Changing the Firmware so that DS Code can be run from GBA (everyone want's it ;)).

Other thing about the Update stuff: I believe that once, the new Wifi and Online Games are coming out, these games will update the firmware. Anyone EVER played XBOX Live? Microsoft does it the same way! Firmware upgrades for the XBOX System are done by the Game itself if there is no online connection. And updates and patches for games are being put on the Gamediscs too. So I believe the online update will be done by a game cartrigde in the beginning. Lager on, there will be wifi updates too.

So where resides Pictochat? Pictochat is almost a game itself. It does not run in the DS System itself. It runs apart from the system and you have to shut down the DS when you quit the game.

muckers wrote:

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Any more suggestions of what to put into the new firmware?

Colour Pictochat? Or online Pictochat? Or a web browser?

Or am I just being hopeful?

Couldn't the firmware be updated to run DS code from the GBA slot?

I'm not too hot and programming and the like, so I don't know what's actually possible in practice. I'm just putting foward some Ideas, that might be quite cool.

Online chat tools and so on might get homebrewed some day ;) Also a webbrowser ;)

It's been stated a million times that the tcp/ip code is NOT in the firmware, it is prolly EXACTLY like xbox in that the network code is statically linked into the executable at compile time. Xbox live does not update the xbox's firmware, it simply copies a new, or updated dashboard onto your harddrive, the xbox's actual firmware is write protected as well

Yes you are right. It's not the firmware, but the dashoard wich is updated. But that was not my point. My point was that it might be the same that those updates might get done by a DS Game Card with an update iin it.

Updating the DS Firmware is propably possible by BigN!!!

Edit: XBOX Firmware is write protected, but also writeable (ConfigMagic on XBOX)

Polysign, are you my twin? :)
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1: Is making a homebrew Tcp/ip web app possible?

2: would anything have to be changed in the firmware to allow it to work?

3: Can someone make a TCP/IP Homebrew web app.
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lambi1982 wrote:

1: Is making a homebrew Tcp/ip web app possible?

2: would anything have to be changed in the firmware to allow it to work?

3: Can someone make a TCP/IP Homebrew web app.

yes , no , yes

But writing a entire tcp/ip stack isnt fun ;)

And ofcourse theres the fact that no one knows how to use the wifi from the ds side of things as yet.

polysign wrote:

Edit: XBOX Firmware is write protected, but also writeable (ConfigMagic on XBOX)

No, that's the eeprom, not the firmware (or as the xbox scene more commonly calls it the "bios"). The TSOP on board the xbox motherboard is write protected in exactly the same way as the DS: you must solder some jumpers to enable flashing (rewriting).

Okay, back on topic here. I guess Im a bit confused as to what was figured out with this discovery is it:

1.) You could read out the entire firmware and rewrite it all except the first 512 bytes, after soldering the jumper, you can write the 512?

2.) You can only read/write 512 bytes.

thanks,

dankydoo

pixie wrote:

But writing a entire tcp/ip stack isnt fun ;)

There's always uIP it's meant for 8/16bit microncontrollers but it's pure C so it should be portable i guess :|

edit: maybe IwIP would be more intresting actually...

only 40kb for the Tcp/ip stack... it could be interesting :D
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Again you are right!!! It's the Bios, not the TSOP. But that is writable too as you said. Just to have to solder some jumpers to be able to flash.

If that Stack pops up one time in the NDSLib, it's gonna be possible to write Homebrew Web Apps I believe. But that's still some way to go...

lambi1982: your twin? I have severals... which one are you???? ;)

we can flash firmware in order to kick out the screen "warning - health and safety".

I don't know the firmware memorysize but if it war 512b it is a little small for a tcfp/ip stack,isn't it?

but if pictochat is program into the firmware, maybe, we can "change it" for a webbrowser

and in another way we can change keyboard layout!

ps: sorry for english mistakes!

for firmware updates:

-meun bacgrounds,like the psp,but it doesnt change every month
-web browser
-something other than the heath screen
-emus to work

Maybe this feature too :p :
-Supercard CF reader or gba movie player compatible with passme :P
it would be great and an inexpensive way of develloping :)
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Hmm... now I need to make either a cheap CompactFlash/Microdrive adapter (using CPLD or direct connection in GBA cartridge) or SD adapter (could use SPI of DS slot for that)

SD passthrough, with an SD card and a DS card hanging out? That'd be cool, and people could still use Option Paks (such as WarioWare Twisted's tilt sensor or Boktai's light sensor) with it.
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Is Loopy really working on the first update of the Firmware??? I'm so excited to see his work...

How about adding a mode in the start screen that would send by wifi all the buttons pressed to use the DS as a wireless pad for the computer ?

(excuse my bad english).

theoretically, we could overwrite all of firmware with our own code?

if, say, we didn't care about pictochat or download play or settings?

what about copying firmware code to a gba cart, and booting it from there?

So could we for example:
1. write our own code to firmware (say a couple demos we like), along with code to launch ds games & gba games.
2. keep original firmware on gba cart, that we can boot to if we need/want to do downloadplay in the future.

I want to se a MODCHIP or the DS ;)

Darkfader, I was wondering which chip type you are refering to on your site?

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( SL1 contacts to enable writing to first 512 Bytes or 64 kBytes (depending of chip type) of firmware.)

How do you know which one you have?
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Last edited by olimar on Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:29 pm; edited 1 time in total

polysign wrote:

Yes you are right. It's not the firmware, but the dashoard wich is updated. But that was not my point. My point was that it might be the same that those updates might get done by a DS Game Card with an update iin it.

Updating the DS Firmware is propably possible by BigN!!!

Edit: XBOX Firmware is write protected, but also writeable (ConfigMagic on XBOX)

The firmware isnt writable at all. ConfigMagic can only write to the EEPROM which holds configuration data for the Xbox (video mode, serial, live code, region etc...) - this isnt the firmware at all.

[Edit] I guess I should read ahead before replying - someone already corrected the guy [/Edit]

Why don't we check from someone first if the firmware is rewritable at all before we start saying what should be in it?

Extreme Coder wrote:

Why don't we check from someone first if the firmware is rewritable at all before we start saying what should be in it?

Maybe if we try it withoutknowing what we put on it, we could make a big mistake erasing the original firmware and then ZONG, everything gone...

ShALLaX: yeah, I ran into the wrng direction. I should have known it better ;) I just mixed up firmware and bios...

I don't understand the scope of what can be changed in firmware (so excuse my ignorance), but here are a few ideas that have yet to be suggested in this thread:

- Removing the need to shut down after everything you do
- Removing the annoying TAP SCREEN TO CONTINUE that appears when you turn the DS on

Much respect to darkfader for everything you've done for the DS scene.
Loopy - as always, you amaze me.

Cheers!
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Is the firmware executed in place or copied/decrypted to RAM? If the latter than starting by compressing the original firmware and always use that one if a button is held down at boot would make sure that a broken hacked firmware wont be the end of the world.

If space is tight then modified firmware could be stored as a set of patches to the original, and keeping the button pressed just skips the patching.

If there is enough free space, a function that could download and flash executable code over wlan would be a nice feature for people without a gbaflash (but who has modified their bios at a friend :)

The rest can be left to other people :)

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- Removing the need to shut down after everything you do

impossible but i think it would be possible to make it restart rather than just power down

assassda wrote:

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- Removing the need to shut down after everything you do

impossible but i think it would be possible to make it restart rather than just power down

I assumed as much, but just wanted to make that suggestion to get it out there.
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Besides, how often do you have to edit the preferences? The mandatory health warning happens every single time you boot the system, making that a major nuisance. I can live with having to power off the DS the one or two times a year I may have to actually change something in the internal preferences.

Speaking of which, an automatic daylight savings time update for the system time would be greatly appreciated. I just now checked and noticed that the DS doesn't do this as-is.

Hi,

First post, big thanks to everyone putting so much effort into DS homebrew at the moment, cheers lads.

I don't know if this is possible, but the ability to save pictochat pics would be cool.

There ya go, my one and only suggestion, but thanks again.

Dib wrote:

The mandatory health warning happens every single time you boot the system, making that a major nuisance.

After a couple seizure lawsuits, there's probably an injunction against Nintendo that requires this.
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aye, it dosn't bother me too much since i boot into the menu anyway. But it would be nice to be able to change it to something more fun :)

Nintendo's recent first party games have the same message at startup.

darkfader wrote:

Edit: current want-to-have list:

Lynx... basic text browser... should be small enough to cram into whatever 64KB or (just how BIG IS the firmware...?).

Also like others have asked, this no doubt will disrupt the ability to play commercial games... how about a easy revert option?

Also isn't the firmware a library BIOS too? don't commercial games use functions from it as well??

I assume you are including a TCP/IP stack in there as well...
don't forget a ping/trace/netstat in there as well as basic WiFi configuration.

Geeez... all this stuff going in... man might as well put a command line only Linux in there... it'll be quicker.

Series-8 wrote:

(just how BIG IS the firmware...?).

I was under the impression that it is 256kb (2 megabits) compressed. Is that right, and if so, how much bigger is it uncompressed?

How many of the requested functions could actually fit in that space? It seems so small.

thetictacaddict wrote:

How many of the requested functions could actually fit in that space? It seems so small.

What about what IS the compression type used?
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Any news on this?

Saw that the beta is done, and dovoto used it and it worked!

I am soooooooo excited :) :) :)

Does the firmware updates require a flash card and passme, flash card alone or a magic wand? ;)
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Beta is available here:

http://ds.gcdev.com/dsfirmware/

Whoo. The moment I've been waiting for. I'm hesitant to beta test it, but I want to...

so this firmware patch doesnt require any dissasembling of the ds? pretty impressive although i dont have a flash card to try it out

why not set it so that when you click on gba card it checks for PASS or DsBoot?

Has anyone tried it out? Anyone have pics of it working or know what the update does?
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Loopy has been working on his DS firmware patch, and we just did a test run. The patch, with the clever name of FlashMe, works perfectly for the testers so far. It boots DS homebrew automatically if it detects it (hold select to override) in about 0.1 seconds. Expect a public release soon.

For those scared of connecting the sl1 bridge we have good news, it will stop flashing if you don't short properly, and it will continue automatically when you re-bridge it. Do NOT, however, turn of your DS before it says patching is done, that will brickify your DS.

FlashMe can be run from Passme, or from WifiMe. After the flash you do not need these methods to boot homebrew, of course.

It lets you run NDS-files (homebrew DS roms) directly from a GBA cart without the need for a passme, and without the health information screen.

The upgrade seems pretty safe, noone has failed yet. The only way to screw up seems to be if you turn off power during flashing.

I've just test it. I'm using an EZ3 so I just renamed it "loader.bin".
"Error! GBA file is corrupt."

So it doesn't flash...

so you DO need to open your ds and short those wires to run this?

EDIT: phantom dont you need to rename it to *.gba before flashing?

no, it replace the loader, so I name it "Loader.bin" then I "Write the loader".
It work with all the other homebrew

assassda wrote:

so you DO need to open your ds and short those wires to run this?

EDIT: phantom dont you need to rename it to *.gba before flashing?

they are accessable by simply opening the battery cover... dont have to take the housing off at all... its really simple.
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upgraded my firmware, had a bit of trouble bridging SL1 so I bent a fork and that worked (dont tell the missus!). flashing went fine and runs all the homebrew i tried. thanks to whoever thought of skipping the health and safety screen, glad to see the back of it :)
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One thing though. If at all possible, is there any way to put the DS's firmware back into it's original state, in case we want to sell our DS or something?
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As well it is write :

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This is amazing.

I was wondering, the thing preventing us from making DS flash carts is the encription, right? Could it be turned off from the firmware? Loading from the DS slot would leave the GBA slot open for homemade "option packs"

secondly, will we see support for custom backgrounds for the menu?
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Wouldnt turning off the encryption kill the ability to play commercial games?

Shalted wrote:

Wouldnt turning off the encryption kill the ability to play commercial games?

*IF* it was a possiblity, it could be done the same way it detects comercial GBA games vs DS home-brew games on a GBA cart.... just read the unencrypted header information. have some special ID that is specific to home-brew roms, and use that.
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I hope not. The information is stored unincripted, and the DS sends (part of) the key, and then the cart encripts and sends the game. a blank key would cause the cart to send it unencripted, or i hope it would.

And if all i said above IS BS, then mayby make it a menu option to turn it on and off.
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are there any plans for updates in the future? Like the ability to revert back to the old firmware or retaining some of it's features (ability to play commercial games?)

This a pretty a big step for someone to take (not being able to play commercial games again)

Sweet, worked like a charm.

A few random questions though - Has anybody flashed more than one unit? Do I need to register a separate id for each machine, or is the firmware identical? Anybody flashed a Japanese import?

Also, it seems to require the newer style of header, so make sure you have an up to date demo for testing. (At least I had trouble with an older demo that does work on the hardware passME.)

Awesome. Had a hard time finding an item to short the connection with, I would have tried sooner if I knew it was safe to disconnect the bridge during the flashing; I was paranoid about that. I used a small screwdriver though, and it worked. Fantastic.

My complaint is that I'm used to manual mode; suddenly I'm back to the auto mode with holding buttons to get the menu.

I like how easy it is to remove the patch, though. Just put in a cart with the patching program, and start the removal. I didn't remove it, but when I tested it out that was the program still on my cart...

ecurtz wrote:

Do I need to register a separate id for each machine, or is the firmware identical?

each machine will produce a unique code... and each code will generate a slightly different firmware download. so yes, for each unit, you must register.
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The whole thing works like a charm and has my official stamp of approval.

I guess soon a lot of people manufacturing passmes will have a few leftovers, since you only need one and can share it with friends to flash the firmware. I used wifime so I didn't even need a passme ever.
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Darn. I've gone to the site, downloaded the code-grabber program, run it on my passme, and written down my own DS code.

When I went back to the site, the sign up page was down, and it told me to wait for the real version, as the beta was no longer available. Is there some way I can still access the firmware upgrade? I'm all set to go, I just need that one file. (Assuming it's just one file).

http://ds.gcdev.com/dsfirmware/

Jolarix: It needs to be generated based on your code, so no, I'm afraid it isn't a single file.

DarkFader et al.: How did the beta go? Any significant problems show up, or can we expect a Release pretty soon? (Or are you going to tweak the featureset a bit more?)

- Theo

Is there any posibility that changing the firmware will result in a loss of the ability to go online, once the service is set up?

I realise that Nintendo may release it's own Firmware upgrade for the online service, but if it doesn't, it may depend on some small code factor embedded in the current version of the firmware. Perhaps there may even be a system which checks to see if your DS is modded, and boots you from online, much like what Xbox Live has done in the past to modded Xboxes.

Paranoid pre-flashme speculation... ease my worries please.

neptunez wrote:

This a pretty a big step for someone to take (not being able to play commercial games again)

You can't play commercial games with this version of the firmware patch???

Good job I noticed your post before getting carried away and replacing the firmware. I couldn't live without my Mario 64 mini games.

R

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neptunez wrote:

This a pretty a big step for someone to take (not being able to play commercial games again)

You can't play commercial games with this version of the firmware patch???

Good job I noticed your post before getting carried away and replacing the firmware. I couldn't live without my Mario 64 mini games.

R

you can still play commercial games just fine. this doesnt effect any of the default features of the DS at all. it only allows for the aditional feature of booting home-brew DS code from GBA cart.
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Darkain wrote:

you can still play commercial games just fine. this doesnt effect any of the default features of the DS at all. it only allows for the aditional feature of booting home-brew DS code from GBA cart.

I thought that was the case until I read the post. He must have been responding to the talk about building DS cartridges.

Now I just need two things: the release of the firmware, and someone in the UK to loan me a PassMe. ;) Seems daft paying all that money to have one shipped over here if I'm only going to use it once. :)

R

Rinkwraith wrote:

Darkain wrote:

you can still play commercial games just fine. this doesnt effect any of the default features of the DS at all. it only allows for the aditional feature of booting home-brew DS code from GBA cart.

I thought that was the case until I read the post. He must have been responding to the talk about building DS cartridges.

Now I just need two things: the release of the firmware, and someone in the UK to loan me a PassMe. ;) Seems daft paying all that money to have one shipped over here if I'm only going to use it once. :)

R

use WifiMe instead then.
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Just to say - another beta tester found everything working rather nicely :). Bye bye Passme (till I revert back firmware!). Thanks to all for amazing developments of late,

Mr. P

:(

I just went out and bought a wmp54g v4 and was all exited about flashing my firmware , when i found out that beta testing was over :(. I only found out about the beta testing like 15 hours ago ... So now i'm impatient! Is the beta coming back ?

I'm soo sad.

I couldnt even get my ID since the .ds.gba file for the ID is not on the site anymore.

Please post news about it :)

Thanx.

Roamin
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lol, well i'm hoping it (non-beta) comes out soon...I lent my flash cart to my gf for the day...lol...prefect timing eh?

:)

is the sl1 under that pola dotted piece of paper?

yes it's under the red paper thing... just peel it back a touch.... throw in your screwdriver (or something metal)... wiggle around... you'll see some number appear as your short that SL1 connector in bottom right of screen.... keep it going till you see the "finished" message. Reboot.... hold "select" to go to normal when have homebrew flash cart inserted... otherwise let it go and hey presto... just like the passme without all the fiddleness of the thing :). Without GBA cart with homebrew it boots as per normal. This is not something to be scared of doing. If I can do it - I swear to god anyone here will breeze the process.

btw make sure you connected your powersupply when flashing firmware in case battery is low on power!!

Proteanruler wrote:

btw make sure you connected your powersupply when flashing firmware in case battery is low on power!!

i thought the message was there in case the battery FELL OUT...
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theres no need of batery when AC power is connected right?

sry for this stupid question...
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lol, even a "dumber" question, won't the battery be out if you are shorting the sl1 connector?

Ethos wrote:

lol, even a "dumber" question, won't the battery be out if you are shorting the sl1 connector?

no, you dont have to remove the battery for that
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Since the purpose of the passme has been added to the DS firmware, is it possible to do the same with this Neoflash magic key, if it does what they say?
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lambi1982 wrote:

Since the purpose of the passme has been added to the DS firmware, is it possible to do the same with this Neoflash magic key, if it does what they say?

neoflash is just a passme + gba flash cart + linker in the same box... nothing special about it at all.

it also works fine with WifiMe.
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@Darkain - thanks for pointing out my mistake. To be honest I wasn't going to try and see if the battery fell out!! i held my battery in place using one hand. Re the battery being low on power - mine actually was!! Anyways - yours makes more sense than mine. Guess I am just plain wrong then :). Either way - leave that power cable in!

Re the neoflash being as you explained - "it is nothing special about it at all". If that is the case - what is the missing "magical" link that allows them to claim they can load nds files? Or is this a false claim? Prob a stupid question.... humour me :)

Proteanruler wrote:

Re the neoflash being as you explained - "it is nothing special about it at all". If that is the case - what is the missing "magical" link that allows them to claim they can load nds files? Or is this a false claim? Prob a stupid question.... humour me :)

http://www.neoflash.com/NEOFlash-final.JPG <<< see for yourself. the "magic key" is just a passme.
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It seems that the login process at the firmware site is back, yet new users cannot create accounts.

What gives? I'd really like to try this new firmware.

hey Darkain,

Hope am not getting off on the wrong foot with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you - it looks like a passme, a flash cart and nothing special!! I just wonder why on earth they make such impressive claims as to being able to play nds etc. It's certainly got everyone talking at the very least. It is nowhere near as impressive as the elite crew here (yourself included) who pioneered this stuff. I take my hat off to you (and the crew), and bow down before thee. I am totally not worthy :). I am just incredibly curious when people make such claims as neoflash have made. S'pose only time will tell... and I can see already - you will be telling me "told you so" ;).

Quote:

Directly support TXT / HTML / JPG / GIF / BMP / PNG / NES / SEGA GG / PC-E
/ GB / GBA / NEO(NDS

This isn't a regular passme, What allows it to read the other formats???
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lambi1982 wrote:

Quote:

Directly support TXT / HTML / JPG / GIF / BMP / PNG / NES / SEGA GG / PC-E
/ GB / GBA / NEO(NDS

This isn't a regular passme, What allows it to read the other formats???

All of those formats are supported by apps that already exist for GBA. (except for nds of course) It has nothing to do with the hardware, only the menu that is loaded onto the flash cart. Most likely all the other formats will run in GBA mode (they might release updates so they work in DS mode once that becomes available, who knows).

I tried this the other night and it works like a charm...and anyone nervous about it, it's quite easy. If I can do it then it's simple, heh. Very seamless too, you wouldn't know it's there unless you pop in a GBA cart with a PassMe proggie on it.

Not to bug anyone, but any idea when this may be out of beta? Then again, if you give a general date it might cause some kind of havoc. Anyway, just have to say that this is great work, you folks need to be commended. Now I can take Nibbler with me to work. :)
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wy is the registration disabled?
is there another way to download it?
or when can we register again?

please help me

Great news... But I'll just wait until someone beats the encryption.
Blast! I should have bought that $20 store warranty :(
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I can't say why the registration has been suspended, but I noticed a tidbit on DesktopMan's website:

Quote:

Loopy has been working on his DS firmware patch, and we just did a test run. The patch, with the clever name of FlashMe, works perfectly for the testers so far. It boots DS homebrew automatically if it detects it (hold select to override) in about 0.1 seconds. Expect a public release soon.

Original link: http://www.auby.no/

The name *Me for the various Nintendo DS homebrew booting methods reminds me of WindowsMe. So will the new versions that support real memory protection be called PassXP, WifiXP, and FlashXP?
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hahaahah. that pic had me laughing for a while.

is there anyone who downloaded the beta firmware patch en who can send it to me
my e-mail adress is s.vermunt at home.nl
or give me a website where i can download it
please help me!

monkey1987 wrote:

is there anyone who downloaded the beta firmware patch en who can send it to me
my e-mail adress is s.vermunt at home.nl
or give me a website where i can download it
please help me!

next time read the thread... its mentioned all over that the firmware update is *DS SPECIFIC*! you need to have one specifically built for your unique individual unit.
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yeah right??

*patiance"

but how do i get that firmware replacement?
i know that you have to download a program for jour nintendo ds id number and then i can register and download
but the registration program is disabled
don't give me answers like "read the tread"

You have to wait until it's come out of the closed beta. Until then, read the thread.

What is the ballpark probability that it will come out of closed beta before November?
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http://hackds.blogspot.com/

if darkfader got a CRC error for messing with settings how were you guys able to change the boot order?

EDIT: also big idea! have the ability to upload WifiMe to a friend so if you know someonewith the hacked firmware you wont all need passmes or routers

That entry is almost 20 days old...

monkey1987 wrote:

don't give me answers like "read the tread"

The answer to all of your previous questions were already mentioned in the thread. So, telling you to read the thread was a good idea.

Yeah there's about 500 pertinent replies between the 3-4 most important topics, but don't you think it's easier for people to just read already posted info rather than making everyone else answer the same questions again and again every 2 days?

Beta testing isn't always public. You let a few dozen people in, close registration, and that's how it works. You don't risk everyone trying something and breaking their DS, when you can limit it to a fraction of users. Once you are certain it's safe and/or make necessary fixes, then you release. Everyone else will have to wait until beta testing is public again or there's a public release. As I quoted earlier, DesktopMan suggested that a public release would be soon. I don't know if he was speculating or informing, but it's encouraging to hear. I bet it's released in a matter of days or weeks so until then it's no big deal to just use pass-through a short while longer.

TJ wrote:

That entry is almost 20 days old...

i forgot that if you wait long enough the ds firmware will chage for no reason great response idiot

assassda wrote:

TJ wrote:

That entry is almost 20 days old...

i forgot that if you wait long enough the ds firmware will chage for no reason great response idiot

Please no flames man. I know you weren't flaming me personally, but namecalling on a forum hurts everyone.

Besides, sometimes firmware *can* change for no reason if you wait long enough. For example; after you run XBOX Live Update, all your homebrew apps are magically gone ;)

Quote:

i forgot that if you wait long enough the ds firmware will chage for no reason great response idiot

20 days ago Darkfader had a CRC error when modifying the firmware, and since then has obviously perfected firmware modifications and it is now possible to completely rewrite the firmware without errors.

That is called "progress" and usually occurs perpendicular to "time".

That was just on the user settings. Not really useful.

well i was just asking what he did differently

is there any way to keep the existing firmware but when you press GBA game it checks for homebrew games and decides whether to run legit or not?

or what if you make a completely new firmware with 2 options "run homebrew code" which would just run the homebrew file on your ds and the other option be "run official firmware" and it could run the firmware from the gba card... possible? going to happen?

http://www.fivemouse.com/gba/diary.html

I haven't looked it through, but there might be some stack-code stuff there.

assassda wrote:

well i was just asking what he did differently

is there any way to keep the existing firmware but when you press GBA game it checks for homebrew games and decides whether to run legit or not?

or what if you make a completely new firmware with 2 options "run homebrew code" which would just run the homebrew file on your ds and the other option be "run official firmware" and it could run the firmware from the gba card... possible? going to happen?

My understanding from posts about FlashMe is that it /does/ allow you to run the normal firmware, if it doesn't boot a homebrew game.

Any idea when the public version will be released?

octopusfluff wrote:

My understanding from posts about FlashMe is that it /does/ allow you to run the normal firmware, if it doesn't boot a homebrew game.

Yep. If if it doesn't find a homebrew game (it searches for gamecode "PASS" or title "DSBooter"), or if you hold Select when turning on the DS, it will load the normal firmware. As I understand it, the patch coexists with the regular firmware, and doesn't actually modify Nintendo's code. Doing so would be much more complicated.

Is the private key not embedded into the firmware? If so, it would allow us to sign our own code, if someone extracted it that is.

the point of private/public key encryption, is that one is used to encrypt(or sign), and the other is used to decrypt(or check signature).

the DS only contains the key used to decrypt/check signature, i'm assuming, and Nintendo holds the key to encrypt/sign.

josath wrote:

the point of private/public key encryption, is that one is used to encrypt(or sign), and the other is used to decrypt(or check signature).

the DS only contains the key used to decrypt/check signature, i'm assuming, and Nintendo holds the key to encrypt/sign.

Shurely that means someone can generate a key pair, put the public one (used for authentication/decryption) in the firmware, and then we can all sign/encrypt our DS roms using the (publically released) private key?
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mtg101 wrote:

josath wrote:

the point of private/public key encryption, is that one is used to encrypt(or sign), and the other is used to decrypt(or check signature).

the DS only contains the key used to decrypt/check signature, i'm assuming, and Nintendo holds the key to encrypt/sign.

Shurely that means someone can generate a key pair, put the public one (used for authentication/decryption) in the firmware, and then we can all sign/encrypt our DS roms using the (publically released) private key?

Yes, or better yet, disable the signature check completely when the user holds down a button during boot up.

A theorethical way to do this, without requiring a flashcart, would be:

1. Disable write protection on firmware using current technique.
2. Modify header to MarioDS to start execution at the address of the Logo information.
3. Place code in this section that aplies signature crack to firmware.
4. You can now upload and run unsigned code through WiFiMe.

-------------------------------
|............passme............|
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|...dspaint....|....wifime...|
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|......official firmware......|
-------------------------------

what they do
passme - run homebrew code from the gba slot
dspaint - run dspaint from the firmware
wifime - upload the wifime code from the firmware
official firmware - run the official nintendo firmware from the gba slot

notes
passme - the way the cracked firware currently works
dspaint - how big is the firmware chip? i thought it was 256k if so this wont fit :(
wifime - let a friend use wifime, maybe even to install the firmware with no need to get a special router or a passme
official firmware - used to play official ds and gba games can someone confirm whether we can run the firmware from the gba slot or not?

assassda wrote:

dspaint - how big is the firmware chip? i thought it was 256k if so this wont fit :(

dsPaint is a small app... DarkStar isnt, because it includes an API structure (most of which doenst have any visual representation of usage yet), and features a 16-bit bitmap background...
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I just want to be able to run DS without my honking, halfworking passthrough, no get the warning message, and be able to remap the GBA keys....2 outta 3 ain't bad ;)

Mike wrote:

A theorethical way to do this, without requiring a flashcart, would be:

1. Disable write protection on firmware using current technique.
2. Modify header to MarioDS to start execution at the address of the Logo information.
3. Place code in this section that aplies signature crack to firmware.
4. You can now upload and run unsigned code through WiFiMe.

how long until we get to see the first DS modchip? ;)

Why would you need a modchip if the firmware can be reflashed without one?

looks like it's accepting ppl to download firmware updates again:
http://ds.gcdev.com/dsfirmware/

Anyone know what kind of common objects would be easy to bridge the contacts with?
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I just did it successfully with a 2.4mm cheapo screwdriver, worked fine. The flashing program won't start until it detects a good connection, so you don't have to cross your fingers or anything. I think I've heard of people using fork tines or paperclips... a paperclip might work better, since you can bend it to the right shape, but it'd be harder to hold properly. Does anyone know what happens if you *don't* keep the SL1 connection until it finishes flashing? Insta-brickification?

Anyway, no more required PassMe, hooray! Anyone live near Claremont, CA and want to borrow it?

anyone in ontario want to pass me a....passme?

I'll send it to another ontario resident who's like to use it as well.

hi,

during the flashing, i had lost the contact of the bridge sl1.
and now the ds doesnt want to boot :x

how wan i repair it?

(the boot with SELECT+START+A+B and restoreFW.ds.gba dont work )
or what is the good process?

thx

(sorry my english is very bad)

Worked! Thanks!!! No more Clunky/Fickle PassME!

gally: Hmm... carefully replace the sticker, send it into Nintendo under warranty, and hope they don't notice that you tampered with the firmware? If the "failsafe" recovery process doesn't work, you might be screwed. Hopefully someone who worked on the firmware update process in the first place can offer some advice...

Gally - either you didn't wait till the thing had finished + rebooted (a finished sign pops up), your power supply went or something really really weird happend. It doesn't matter if you lose contact with the SL1 - you just reapply contact (takes a little bit of fiddling) - I have flashed the firmware twice (once to add and once to remove) and had multiple occurrences of losing contact (hell I even went off and answered the phone halfway through!!) ... you must have made the fatal error or not completing the flash process. A warning to all others that has been said time and time again once you have started the process going you must finish it - DO NOT REBOOT YOUR DS UNTIL YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE FINISHED MESSAGE. Can't say much clearer than that. Bad luck Gally!!! Either you didn't follow the instructions properly or you are the only person I have heard of that had problems. From sounds of things - you did not follow the instructions properly... dearie me!

gally wrote:

hi,

during the flashing, i had lost the contact of the bridge sl1.
and now the ds doesnt want to boot :x

how wan i repair it?

(the boot with SELECT+START+A+B and restoreFW.ds.gba dont work )
or what is the good process?

thx

(sorry my english is very bad)

Sorry man, from everything I have seen, your screwed. Losing contact with the bridge does no actual harm, you can just close the contact again, but if you freaked out and turned your DS off... there is a good chance your DS is a very pretty paperweight.
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Cleon I wrote:

Does anyone know what happens if you *don't* keep the SL1 connection until it finishes flashing? Insta-brickification?

It just pauses, and then continues when you short the contact again ;p

And hmm.. Sorry gally, but it seems you've broken your DS... I hope you can still get it replaced at the store...
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Hurray for betatests :P
Sorry for gally though.
Loopy tried to upload some update but the server was full and resulted in an empty file. Perhaps it might be the cause.
But it should have installed the fail-safe though.

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Just for all the people who want to know (me inlcuded) is the current version availiable the same as the version that was previously availiable, or has it been updated in some way? If so what ways?
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ok i will try to send my ds to nitendo ... :(
but i have stop my ds because when i lost the bridge, when i replace it the flashing not restart.
so thx for your answer.
cu later ;)

About all I can say, it you may not have rebridged SL1 properly then. Anyways, hopefully, nintendo won't notice the firmware tampering.

To those registering their DS, be extra carful that you enter your ID correctly. Entering the wrong ID accidently, is as easy as mistyping the second last character.

For example, If the ID was CREM57I27HWAK (an invalid ID BTW), the mistyped version that would pass through is CREM57I27HWBK.

These key pairs you have to watch out for.

C/D, G/H, K/L, M/N, O/P, 2/3, 4/5, 6/7.

potentially, you should also watch out for E/F, I/J.

This is a justifiable reason for the ID format to change a little bit.

please help me
i have done everything
after a lot of problems i have my id number
i have registerd.
i have downloaded the file
and when wifime is done i get the error:
Error! GBA filke is corrupt

what's wrong??

please help me

I fucked up my Ds too !
WHooohhooo!!

be very careful, with this bridge!

bye

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olimar wrote:

monkey1987 wrote:

please help me
i have done everything
after a lot of problems i have my id number
i have registerd.
i have downloaded the file
and when wifime is done i get the error:
Error! GBA filke is corrupt

what's wrong??

please help me

Do you happen to have a EZF3 flash card?

yes wy????

YEAH I MAKE IT WITH A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME
i haven't little screwdrivers....
so i take a key allen to make the bridge and it works very well
Thank to all the people who made it possible

For EZF3 users... get http://darkfader.net/ds/files/ezf3me.zip and copy loader.bin to the flash manager folder.

darkfader wrote:

For EZF3 users... get http://darkfader.net/ds/files/ezf3me.zip and copy loader.bin to the flash manager folder.

i don't understand whatfor this program is
what does this do?

Code:

You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 1

Thank you so much, now I'm depressed.
I can't register.

Code:

You are logged in as: Chetic

Download firmware by clicking on the ID used when registering your DS.
Make sure you use it on the correct DS!.

Your DS registration information was deleted. Please go and register it again.

And I do and it does the same over and over.

oups it seems i can't register......

You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ')' at line 1

hope it will work later..

edit:: same time...sorry

ok DarkFader fixed it.
Thanks :)

Hi, im trying to register but i get a invalid id error...

What could be wrong with mi ID ???

I followed all the steps to get it, and I copy from the DS and its not working...

I really need help... Thanks.

I'm also having trouble registering. It's telling me 'Serial number does not match ID'.
I've double and triple checked both.

The serial number is the one under the barcode, right?

its ok, i came back from the videogames shop, the sellers has change my ds :D

so the next time i will be more prudent ^^.

It works perfectly.

Thank you Loopy, Costis, DarkFader

gally wrote:

its ok, i came back from the videogames shop, the sellers has change my ds :D

so the next time i will be more prudent ^^.

ooooooh you got lucky!!!!!!!!!!
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youre so lucky, gally !
mine is dead.ive bought it in HK, and im living in Europe!

now, i would like to know how to extract firmware from Restore.ds.gba ?
thanks

Veg wrote:

I'm also having trouble registering. It's telling me 'Serial number does not match ID'.
I've double and triple checked both.

The serial number is the one under the barcode, right?

Yes, use the whole serial number including the last number which is seperate (in a square)

I can get to register, because the invalid ID error and i dont know what to do now...

Guys im having problems using the getid booted using WifiMe. I get the nintendo logo then just white screens. Its not displaying the info i need to register. Im using the EZFA 256m.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Yeah, mine works now. Thanks to whoever fixed it!

monkey1987 wrote:

darkfader wrote:

For EZF3 users... get http://darkfader.net/ds/files/ezf3me.zip and copy loader.bin to the flash manager folder.

i don't understand whatfor this program is
what does this do?

Guys what have you successfully used to bridge the sl1? Ive tried a small flathead screwdriver and it didnt seem to be bridging the contacts...

olimar wrote:

megamanj13 wrote:

I can get to register, because the invalid ID error and i dont know what to do now...

Try again. There was a problem with the registration page, but it should be fixed now.

Im sorry for been bugging, but i cant register...!!! i get the same error over and over again...!!!

Whats wrong with mi ID ???

Thanks for your help... Im desperate.

@godster - use a screwdriver, a bent fork or whatever is metal... you need to wiggle it round inside till you hit the right part (you will know since the numbers start counting down).... it can be a bit hit and miss and once you find the sweet spot.... don't move!!! But no stress if you do - you just have some more wiggling to do :D!!! It really is as easy as 1-2-3. Costis, Loopy and Darkfader are amazinfg - I take my hat off to you all :).

Tutorial with video - http://www.dspassme.com/FlashMe.shtml

Lynx wrote:

Tutorial with video - http://www.dspassme.com/FlashMe.shtml

Do you think you could make a vidoe of booting up a demo with the new firmware?
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It just boots the demo -- there's no special screen or magical graphic that comes up ;p
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I had a successful flash - thanks everyone, this is very helpful! :)

megamanj13 wrote:

olimar wrote:

megamanj13 wrote:

I can get to register, because the invalid ID error and i dont know what to do now...

Try again. There was a problem with the registration page, but it should be fixed now.

Im sorry for been bugging, but i cant register...!!! i get the same error over and over again...!!!

Whats wrong with mi ID ???

Thanks for your help... Im desperate.

Make sure you download a fresh copy of getID. (and make sure your browser has not cached the older download.) The ID format has changed to prevent the mistype problem that is present in the older format.

It works now... thank you...

I love you guys <3

Seriously, thanks! :)

and another one...thanks to everyone involved....works a treat.

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#39722 - darkfader - Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:37 pm

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#39758 - dagamer34 - Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:39 am

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#39761 - gl0b - Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:14 am

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#39806 - NoMis - Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:43 pm

#39807 - sombradesoledad - Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:01 pm

#39813 - krunkster - Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:39 pm

#39816 - SeKuM - Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:41 pm

#39822 - XSF04 - Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:34 pm

#39825 - Mr Snowflake - Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:52 pm

#39827 - muckers - Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:14 pm

#39831 - polysign - Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:54 pm

#39832 - polysign - Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:56 pm

#39839 - dankydoo - Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:15 pm

#39842 - polysign - Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:30 pm

#39848 - lambi1982 - Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:23 pm

#39851 - lambi1982 - Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:49 pm

#39853 - pixie - Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:06 pm

#39857 - dankydoo - Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:57 pm

#39860 - Frz - Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:07 am

#39861 - gl0b - Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:16 am

#39889 - polysign - Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:08 am

#39893 - lycos89 - Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:52 am

#39910 - mariods - Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:21 pm

#39911 - gl0b - Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:26 pm

#39913 - darkfader - Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:30 pm

#39914 - tepples - Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:32 pm

#39920 - polysign - Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:58 pm

#39923 - Spindle - Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:10 pm

#39949 - josath - Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:19 pm

#39950 - polysign - Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:25 pm

#39961 - lambi1982 - Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:26 pm

#39976 - olimar - Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:41 am

#39977 - ShALLaX - Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:45 am

#39985 - Extreme Coder - Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:00 am

#39988 - polysign - Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:20 am

#40115 - Rosary - Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:34 am

#40127 - sasq - Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:27 am

#40197 - assassda - Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:34 pm

#40220 - Rosary - Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:57 am

#40306 - Dib - Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:53 am

#40323 - gonaDS - Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:08 pm

#40324 - tepples - Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:09 pm

#40335 - kwayle - Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:47 pm

#40361 - TJ - Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:23 am

#40373 - Series-8 - Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:50 am

#40376 - thetictacaddict - Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:09 am

#40377 - quonic - Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:12 am

#40564 - polysign - Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:38 am

#40605 - Ethos - Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:38 pm

#40609 - lambi1982 - Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:08 pm

#40611 - josath - Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:12 pm

#40614 - thetictacaddict - Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:52 pm

#40616 - assassda - Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:56 pm

#40617 - jstart - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:01 am

#40619 - josath - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:06 am

#40620 - sasq - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:08 am

#40621 - phantomdjp - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:11 am

#40622 - assassda - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:13 am

#40623 - phantomdjp - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:19 am