#40415 - gonaDS - Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:41 pm
A supposed nds flash card, don't trust it myself, but who knows.
Just thoght I'd bring it to your attention, cheers.
#40424 - lambi1982 - Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:08 pm
too bad that picture was created in a 3d program.
and if it WAS a real cart for the DS how would it work on the GBA or GBA SP ( picture shows it in the DS slot)
JUST ANOTHER HYPE
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#40425 - B10H4Z4RD - Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:12 pm
either that, or its a gba flash cart and a pass-me.
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#40426 - lambi1982 - Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:13 pm
true, bur how would it support all other stuff, including HTML
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#40428 - gonaDS - Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:13 pm
I suppose it might be a passme clone and a usb gba flashcart, I'll wait till I see some proof, for all I know its a cream cracker and an egg in that virtual box.
#40429 - B10H4Z4RD - Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:14 pm
either some very good programing, or alot of BS (wishfull thinking)
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#40430 - lambi1982 - Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:15 pm
LOL, just another trick.
They dont even have a way to buy, just contact the dude and say you are a "NDS Stuff Developer" get one free
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#40437 - B10H4Z4RD - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:05 pm
well, acording to #neoflash on efnet, darkfader has something to do with it
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#40438 - Ethos - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:08 pm
The english on the site is AMAZING!!
| Quote: |
| Memory size form 512Mb to 1Gb |
| Quote: |
| If you are NDS stuff developer, you can contact us to get the FREE Neo Flash kit and Magic Key, contact us today :) |
lol, and no way could they get Microsoft to certify compatiblity!
#40440 - wintermute - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:10 pm
you lot are incredible.
most of you fell for the dslinkup thing yet you doubt this
#40441 - Ethos - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:11 pm
| wintermute wrote: |
you lot are incredible.
most of you fell for the dslinkup thing yet you doubt this |
Did you see the Poll, get informed.
#40442 - wintermute - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:12 pm
| Ethos wrote: |
| wintermute wrote: | you lot are incredible.
most of you fell for the dslinkup thing yet you doubt this |
Did you see the Poll, get informed. |
those were the people who bothered to vote. There were still a hell of a lot of people who believed that.
I suggest you do some research before you start pulling this one apart or there are going to be a few more red faces
#40444 - Ethos - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:15 pm
Yeah, true. But really this one has even more warning signs than the last. The largest of which is the word "FREE" :)
#40449 - pnice - Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:55 pm
Domain: neoflash.com
Registrant
neo flash
neo flash
xgflash@163.com
tw neo flash
tai wan, tai wan 534633 TW
+1.1111112622
Administrative
nero flash
nero flash
neroflash@hotmail.com
nero flash
Tai Wan, Tai Wan 4374595 CN
+1.1111111255
Billing
nero flash
nero flash
neroflash@hotmail.com
nero flash
Tai Wan, Tai Wan 4374595 CN
+1.1111111255
Technical
nero flash
nero flash
neroflash@hotmail.com
nero flash
Tai Wan, Tai Wan 4374595 CN
what's 163.com?
#40450 - TheChuckster - Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:07 pm
I don't like how everybody spreads false information like this. It's really not a problem with other open projects but is prominent with the DS scene. What gives?
#40451 - tepples - Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:12 pm
163.com seems to be some site written in Chinese. Given that it's from Taiwan, it's probably traditional Chinese. Google doesn't support traditional Chinese, and the Babel Fish just errors out:
| Quote: |
Error decoding translated text.
We're sorry we've encountered an error with your request.
If you think this is a bug we should know about send us e-mail and let us know the following:
* What browser you were using.
* The operating system you are on.
* The type of translation you were trying when this error occurred.
The error encountered is: 157 |
But WorldLingo's online translator seems to work. The site looks like a portal.
TheChuckster: If you think it's false, do you have any evidence?
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#40452 - garlic - Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:32 pm
If the information that shows up from a whois is false, thats not really much to go on. Many grey area products like modchips and flash carts have homepages with sketchy registration details. It's a good thing to watch out for when ordering a product. However, as this site isn't selling them directly, you need only trust your personal vendor. Ever tried whoising success-hk via .dnsstuff.com?
Either way, if you don't want to fall for any hoax, just ignore it until theres proof. Can't lose that way. You don't look like a fool for believing some linkup thing ;) and you don't publically dismiss something that turns out real.
#40457 - dXtr - Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:20 am
tepples > actually it seems to be japanese, atleast I got babelfish to translate it when I choose japanese ;)
#40459 - darkfader - Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:47 am
It doesn't look Japanese to me.
Anyway... http://corp.163.com/eng/home.shtml
#40460 - linus - Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:53 am
Clearly its BS it says gba / sp / ds 3in1 and the pic shows it goin into the ds slot. if its three things in one item that goes into the ds slot. Clearly it CANNOT work in a sp / gba.
im getting a bit pissed with people posting hoaxs, and im starting to believe that any development for the ds is only going to come from people who use this forum (darkfader, firefly / tim etc), which is a very narrow minded view.
But as a foot note if it turns out legit *snigger* then congrats to them and apologies for suspecting it as a hoax.
#40462 - tepples - Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:28 am
| linus wrote: |
| Clearly its BS it says gba / sp / ds 3in1 and the pic shows it goin into the ds slot. if its three things in one item that goes into the ds slot. |
In neo-power-kit.jpg, I see one item (white with three black rectangles on it) into which another item (marked NDS in the picture, but probably marked Metroid in actual use) fits. Perhaps this is a combination passthrough and flash card that fits entirely in the DS connector.
| Quote: |
| Clearly it CANNOT work in a sp / gba. |
Or maybe it's a DS->GBA passthrough (like PassMe) and a GBA flash card (not pictured) sold in one box, where the menu software contains both a .pme binary and a .gba binary.
| Quote: |
| im getting a bit pissed with people posting hoaxs |
Until I see inside the box, I'm willing to give the manufacturer the benefit of the doubt but not to the point of spending money. Sure the box is photochopped, but even reputable American and Japanese companies do that.
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#40463 - lambi1982 - Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:50 am
Well, Since they have one ( NEO Flash) I guess I will release mine
Pic 1 [Images not permitted - Click here to view it]
Pic 2 Box Art
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Heres some proof that Neo flash Has a real "wink, wink" product
;) Also look at Neoflash's pic, and the DS has NO gba cart inserted
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#40464 - tepples - Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:15 am
Except their hoax is believable ;-)
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#40465 - gl0b - Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:20 am
Just call us the HoaxBusters lol
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#40466 - lambi1982 - Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:40 am
NO ONE HAS ANYTHING GOOD FOR THE DS YET
Thanks tepples, You dont like my Ultra mega mod chip. I'll sell it to you cheap, as long as you are a NDS stuff drive-thru operator and have a jar of pickles, you can have it for 1.1 maybe 1.2 BILLION DOLLARS
HA Ha HA
The real funny thing is, based on how things are going with the DS we are going to have a 10 foot Passme thing-a-magigee hanging out of the freakin' system. I guess we wont need wireless play cause the damn thing will reach anyone, anywhere. (literally)
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#40470 - natrium42 - Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:57 am
OMG, how can people believe DS linkup and not something as realistic as this?
Suggestion: Compare Domain Whois of xgflash2.com and neoflash.com
Looks like Magic Key is nothing more than PassMe-like passthrough. Likewise, GBA flash cart is included... Hence GBA compatibility...
Weirded out...
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#40473 - Lynx - Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:24 am
Yeah.. isn't this what we have all been refering to as "PassMe V2"?
There is a big difference between packaging up something that is already REAL! AKA, gba flash carts and Passthroughs. And just making a bunch of crap up, specially when it's something that people have already failed at.
Just look at the facts. Are people homebrewing on the DS right now? Yes, so why would another product for homebrewing on the DS be a big deal anyway? I dunno!
I think the real question should be.. HOW MUCH $$?
#40474 - PhoenixSoft - Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:27 am
| Quote: |
| If you are NDS stuff developer, you can contact us to get the FREE Neo Flash kit and Magic Key, contact us today :) |
'Magic Key' sounds like a fancy name for a PassMe. I'm voting for this being a repackaged GBA flash card with a manufactured PassMe.
#40478 - blasty - Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:13 am
I'm 95% sure this is just a repackaged passme + GBA flashcart. Yesterday I heard some rumours on the IRC channel that it's going to cost around $180. Yet another company making profit of other people's hard work *sigh*.
I wonder how they will let the thing run commercial roms tho.. will they relocate all adressing in the NDS roms to a valid address on the GBA cart or does this "Neoflash" feature something "revolutionary".
#40492 - TheMikaus - Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:20 pm
Also, it's kind of funny that the box says usb 2.0 compatible. Does that mean they are going to have flash cart that plugs into the usb port? the pic doesn't look like the piece sticking in it has a jack. Meh. Here's to hoping.
#40498 - Lynx - Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:16 pm
| Quote: |
| Yet another company making profit of other people's hard work *sigh*. |
What are you talking about? This is a good thing. Do you think any of the homebrew community could afford to put such a package together? And, anyone that does this that ISN'T the creator would fall under your "profit of other people's hard work". And how do you know the creators arn't making a profit off of this?
So, before you hop up on your soap box, and rant about how people are "stealing" this or that, remember that if it wasn't for companies like this making these things available to the "general public" we'd only have 6 people developing homebrew code for the DS, and they would be the only ones able to run it. And, on top of that, I'm sure this is the same route the GBA went back when it first came out. So, are you saying you don't own a GBA Flash cart? Because that would be another example of a company (the one that made the flash cart you are using) making profit from other people's hard work!
#40512 - Ethos - Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:49 pm
| Quote: |
There are some friends joined NEO Flash project already:
Costis, Sasq, NeiMod, Garlic, David Rorex
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Please let me know if you guys get anything :)
#40518 - NEiM0D - Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:20 pm
The EZFLASH-III 1Gigabit took a couple of weeks before it got here, I don't know how long it will take before it gets here, but I am estimating 2 weeks or 3.
#40519 - tepples - Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:48 pm
| TheMikaus wrote: |
| Also, it's kind of funny that the box says usb 2.0 compatible. Does that mean they are going to have flash cart that plugs into the usb port? |
E. F. Eh?
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#40521 - TheMikaus - Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:56 pm
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But I guess in the end we have to wait and see what they choose to put in the box.
#40529 - gl0b - Tue Apr 19, 2005 11:05 pm
LMFAO :D
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#40537 - mariods - Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:45 am
let me tell you what I think:
Total BS!
you have to be an idiot if you belive this.look on their site.it says it can support PC engine.so if i put a PC game file on the Card,it will play?this is bull,and if it's not,i will put my head down in shame,but that won't happen anytime soon,because it's a HOAX.
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#40538 - Fleet-C - Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:50 am
This is a joke right? Do you know what a PC engine is? (was)
#40539 - mariods - Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:52 am
The PCengine thing was a joke,but,i still think it's a L-I-E.
#40542 - dankydoo - Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:48 am
mariods,
PCEngine is another name for the TurboGraffix 16, look it up. The DS has enough processing power to emulate it (I would think), but...if it has been done already, I seriously doubt..
dankydoo
#40544 - josath - Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:21 am
PCEngine emulator does exist for GBA. They could just be launching that in GBA mode. Possibly ported to DS, but I doubt it.
My thoughts on what it is, are a passme + xgflash + a menu system similar to pogoshell which can handle all sorts of file formats (like sounds, ebooks, nes/sms/snes/pcengine emulator plugins), as well as launching .nds and .gba files.
#40552 - m_fergy - Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:23 am
#40560 - FluBBa - Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:53 am
| dankydoo wrote: |
| PCEngine is another name for the TurboGraffix 16, look it up. The DS has enough processing power to emulate it (I would think), but...if it has been done already, I seriously doubt.. |
PCEAdvance is 2 years old now and quite mature (2 or 3 games that doesn't run), it's not ported to the DS yet (I haven't even started) but it works good on the GBA albeit a little slow.
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#40589 - assassda - Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:59 pm
| Quote: |
There are some friends joined NEO Flash project already:
Costis, Sasq, NeiMod, Garlic, David Rorex |
David Rorex - http://rorexrobots.com/ds/
do you have this item? please put all our minds at rest
#40590 - Ben - Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:00 pm
Can't see any reason why this wouldn't be real. All the technologies exist already and shrinking the electronics down in the passme really isn't all that hard if you can afford it.
As for the morons basing their whole 'fake' theory on the box... How do you think they designed box in the first place?!?
#40603 - lambi1982 - Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:12 pm
Show us the real thing and we will believe. Making a box isn't all that hard, I did it. ( And no, I wasn't trying to fool anyone, It's supposed to look fake--- for you who didn't get it)
Its just to easy to be able to say you have something without proving it.
Hey I have the first N64 emulator passme card for the DS, I swear ;)
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#40615 - assassda - Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:53 pm
an the award for the least heterosexual statement ever posted on these forums goes to...
#40665 - Extreme Coder - Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:38 am
#40677 - darkfader - Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:44 pm
Check http://darkfader.net/ds/files/red%20PassMe.jpg
Magic Key will have some better chips than a simple CPLD.
#40680 - Proteanruler - Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:05 pm
@Almighty Darkfader :) - are you saying they are using something similiar to your screenshot? OR that it is better equipment??
A few more questions: What do you make of this neoflash thing?? A souped up version of your efforts (that people don't need bother with) or new concept based on the "old" that is a must-have (should it be proven)?? Are you brews currently (or will they be in the future) as potent as these guys as these guys are claiming theirs are? (though obv u are the originator!).
Thankyou for everything you (and people like Tim etc) have done for the community - truly amazing! I've never had so much fun messing around with handhelds :)
Mr P.
#40685 - Zhila - Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:59 pm
Hmm.... I wonder if I could possibly qualify as DS "stuff" developer. I have much interest in Nintendo DS development, but haven't created a simple project yet. My "official" website is focused on DragonBASIC, which currently only works for the GBA. I would really like to have a free kit, as I wouldn't have to spend money, and could much more easily fit into DS Development, and once I finally get DragonBASIC source code, I could start working on a DS port (possibly).
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#40702 - Lupin - Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:15 pm
NeoFlash is a GBA flash cart bundled with a plastic cased and moded pass me. I guess the bundle will be sold for twice as much as a gba flash cart + a real pass me would cost (if you'd make it yourself/buy from a pass me producer).
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#40705 - Proteanruler - Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:35 pm
It looks totally the case that neoflash is just what you say (Lupin) but at the same time - most of us (I am at least) here are wanting to know how they modded it and how we can mod our beasties/ds to do the same thing. I'd rather stick with my F2a ultra and natrium passme/patched firmware than pay for that neoflash cart but have no idea how to mod my passme or make it function the way this other one claims to function.
Mr P.
#40707 - m_fergy - Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:03 pm
its gonna cost about ?110 for a 512m neoflash kit
has anyone got one yet and can confirm that it will run .nds roms ?
#40709 - neptunez - Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:26 pm
Does their "key" do anything outside the original passME?
#40712 - Proteanruler - Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:29 pm
if you goto emuholic (http://emuholic.emuboards.com) - owner there guyfawkes (also a member here) has confirmed that the only 2 dumps are working on the kit (I get the distinct impression he has received one?/has insider knowledge)
FYI Key "apparently" is modded in some way to make it different to passme but don't take my word as gospel! :)
#40716 - Guyfawkes - Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:09 pm
i havent confirmed the 2 dumps to work on neoflash, you may have that confused that with a reply about rom filesizes on my forum as its the only thing i can think where i have mentioned 2 rom dumps. i havent got a neoflash but i know the manufacturers very well and speak to them alot so i can get answers to questions easily.
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#40718 - Proteanruler - Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:38 pm
Oops... sorry for my assumption - I thought I read you confirm somewhere and thought you must have tried it yourself to say this. sorry! No harm meant :)
#40725 - Guyfawkes - Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:27 pm
no worry :)
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#40730 - Mike - Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:04 am
Yet another leech sucking the blood out of the homebrew scene and pouring it into the veins of pirates...
If this keeps on happening, the homebrew scene will eventually cease to exist, as homebrewers are eighter sued for promoting or designing piracy-oriented hacks, or people will just stop putting efforts in designing hacks for fear that their efforts are stolen by companies and used to make a profit by promiting piracy.
If I was the author of the PassMe, I'd sue the company producing the NeoFlash and make them pay me royalties for each unit sold. Even though in reality sueing them would probably not be possible, or atleast very hard, I'm a very stubbourn man strong on principles.
#40733 - garlic - Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:39 am
Great. Any idea who is/isn't involved in NeoFlash?
Any idea who is responsible for the PassMe firmware that calculates the CRC for any given game?
Now, the few people making PassMes for sale use this code.
I'm certainly not saying thats wrong. But if you're going to accuse people of ripping off work... you're pointing it at the original designer of the code?
#40735 - Proteanruler - Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:03 am
Like it or not - these "leechers" are required to spread the capability to do home brew (by making homebrewing + of course piracy available to anybody) + in doing so homebrew activities get washed away by the activities of the masses. I may be wrong but piracy may actually help the homebrew community in terms of taking away the attention on the whodunnit (who created the means in the first place - the homebrewers) to the who is actively exploiting it (the pirates).
This is a pretty outrageous statement I know but in my humble opinion, just like the internet - when the numbers become too many - law agencies focus on those who are doing the worst crimes rather than those doing the petty crimes (like those of us who smoke the odd joint here or there!). This is good for us - remaining anonymous in a large crowd is a lot easier than remaining anonymous in a small group of friends. Hope I don't open myself up here to being flamed. This is just one opinion - and definitely not the only opinion out there on the subject. :). Please don't castrate me for talking outloud!
#40737 - netdroid9 - Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:17 am
| Mike wrote: |
| Yet another leech sucking the blood out of the homebrew scene and pouring it into the veins of pirates... |
As long as their are people with cash that want more cash, they'll continue.
You can't just say that if there is no demand, they'll stop exploiting homebrewer research. There is always demand. Even homebrewers generally have a flash cart.
| Mike wrote: |
| If this keeps on happening, the homebrew scene will eventually cease to exist, as homebrewers are eighter sued for promoting or designing piracy-oriented hacks, or people will just stop putting efforts in designing hacks for fear that their efforts are stolen by companies and used to make a profit by promiting piracy. |
You underestimate the stubborness of the human mind. If not us, someone else'll do it.
And I bet most of these sentences I've just said have already been copyrighted.
| Proteanruler wrote: |
| Please don't castrate me for talking outloud! |
We have freedom of speech. I think.
Anyway...
| NDSwiki wrote: |
| Once you select the game in the firmware menu (or it auto-loads, depending on your settings), the code on the GBA cartridge will be executed. Unlike running code directly off of a GBA cartridge, it is executed in DS mode, not GBA mode! At this point, you're free to do what you want, but typically the ARM7 bootloader code on the cartridge copies a pair of ARM binaries to RAM, one for the ARM7 and the other for the ARM9. |
Once your in DS mode, couldn't some program alter the execution point..?
#40739 - lambi1982 - Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:37 am
I think its funny that Darkfaders Passme seems to be in the Neoflash housing
( or do they both have the red boards )
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#40740 - wintermute - Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:39 am
what's funny about it?
he got the board from the neoflash guys
#40742 - Proteanruler - Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:05 am
It is me or am I going crazy (no need to answer directly ;)) - is that Costis (a man whose name drew my attention when I saw a Costis nds menu loader mentioned on this very forum) who has his/her name linked to this neoflash product. Is this the same costis that is linked to the firmware registration page with Loopy, Darkfader?? Now I am really confused. How many Costis' can there be out there with such links to the DS homebrew community? If it is the same Costis, why would they allow their name to be mentioned with such a product? Or did someone else already pick up on this. BTW not meaning to offend the actual guru Costis here by mentioning this... I am not worthy :).
#40743 - thetictacaddict - Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:16 am
Proteanruler: I think they're all the same Costis. I don't know how neoflash chooses is affiliated with the people they name. David Rorex is one they link to, and on his site he says, "NeoFlash - Don't know much about this, but they linked to me!"
#40744 - josath - Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:34 am
| thetictacaddict wrote: |
| David Rorex is one they link to, and on his site he says, "NeoFlash - Don't know much about this, but they linked to me!" |
yeah, i sent them an email, hopefully to find out more about their 'free' promotion, and they didn't email me back, but they did link to me. So I guess we'll just wait and see what happens.
#40745 - assassda - Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:43 am
1) darkfader what is your involvement in this project? did you invent it?
2) what diferent chips are added? what do they do?
3) can it play commercial games?
4) can it dump commercial games?
5) will there be a way to purchase only the magic key?
6) what is that japanese card in the magic key?
7) does the magic key require an official game like passme?
8) what advantages does it have over passme?
9) how much will it cost?
10) can someone give us a picture of it in a ds to prove the existance of a working unit?
#40746 - Costis - Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:51 am
Hi guys,
There is only one Costis in the DS dev scene, at least at this point. I did not choose to be affiliated with this project. In fact, my name randomly appeared in the list one day. I am pretty annoyed about this and am trying to get it taken off.
Best Regards,
Costis
#40748 - PhoenixSoft - Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:59 am
3) can it play commercial games?
No.
4) can it dump commercial games?
No.
5) will there be a way to purchase only the magic key?
Yes, just buy a PassMe
7) does the magic key require an official game like passme?
Of course it does.
8) what advantages does it have over passme?
It *is* a PassMe
#40749 - assassda - Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:05 am
youre making these answers up based on your opinions id rather have gawdfawke and darkfader answer them
according to DF it is more than a passme and it doesnt NEED a ds card but legally it should
#40750 - tepples - Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:08 am
| PhoenixSoft wrote: |
8) what advantages does it have over passme?
It *is* a PassMe |
Even if the Magic Key is based on the PassMe design, then one minor advantage that the Neoflash people might point out is that you get a flash card and a passthrough that are tested to work together, and you can write Nintendo DS programs to the card without having to own a GBA (as in the case of F2A and EZFA) or having to do various dirty tricks with the writing software to turn off the GBA menu.
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#40752 - Proteanruler - Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:13 am
It'd be nice if the Neoflash "team" actually answered all our queries themselves. The guys behind all this obviously will have come across gbadev when researching their kit and I would bet my money on the fact they are watching this space with great amusement! Go on NeoFlash - speak up if you are lurking! ;)
#40757 - FourScience - Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:39 am
| http://www.neoflash.com/ wrote: |
There are some friends joined NEO Flash project already:
Costis, Sasq, NeiMod, Garlic, David Rorex, NDS Gamers, Barc0de, DesktopMan, GameFreax, NDSSpain, Phantom |
If my name were on that list without my explicit permission, then I'd be pretty mad. That's basically stealing your name and using it to advertise their product. I think that there are laws protecting the use of your name and likeness (this is why people must sign paperwork to allow them to be quoted for the use of promotions).
Also, if there were any problems or complaints with their product, I wouldn't be surprised to see newbies come after the "friends" that "joined NEO Flash project."
I recommend telling them that if they don't take your name down in 24 hours, they will hear from your lawyer. Also, you could report them or threaten to report them to the Better Business Bureau (http://www.bbb.org/). Further, you could even report the abuse to their web host for their site to be taken down. These are just recommendations of course, I mean to be helpful. =)
#40762 - Extreme Coder - Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:39 am
I emailed them to check about the "Free" kit for an NDS developer, I told them I'm in the DSLinux team, and the site is www.dslinux.org . I haven't got a reply yet, but it appears that he added DSLinux to the list of "friends". There's also something wierd on their hotmail; it is neoflash_team@hotmail.com but when you click on it, it is neoflash@hotmail.com.
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#40763 - garlic - Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:58 am
hmm.. the site used to say that second address you posted. probably changed the text and not the link.
costis appears to be removed from the list as well.
#40764 - darkfader - Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:22 am
| Quote: |
| If my name were on that list without my explicit permission, then I'd be pretty mad. That's basically stealing your name and using it to advertise their product. |
My name was never listed. Guess I'm not that popular after all :)
And no, it's not my design but I do know that version 0 was a plain PassMe like the picture on my site. They almost have version 1 ready which adds flash+sram or something. If it works out, it will probably be included in the kit. Perhaps they will sell it seperately too?? I don't know what their plans are and I don't care.
assassda: I think you should ask NeoFlash yourself. He's on IRC. Heck... let him post here :)
#40767 - Lupin - Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:15 am
What is your involvement into the whole thing then DarkFodder? You have op in the neoflash channel so you got to be involved in it somehow.
I guess NeoFlash is primarily meant for running warez games on the NDS. Way to go, warez kiddies!
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#40769 - Lupin - Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:36 am
oh yeah, and it is also meant for "stuff developers" :)
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#40771 - netdroid9 - Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:45 am
| Lupin wrote: |
| I guess NeoFlash is primarily meant for running warez games on the NDS. Way to go, warez kiddies! |
And what gives you that idea? I'd like to know. It's a perfectly good device for homebrewing, possibly without the need for memory address modificitions which render it useless for anything but passthroughs. And I don't want a rant about how everything ever made for the NDS is for warez kiddies, like I have no doubt I'll probably get anyway. Oh, and that person you just called DarkFodder created the passthrough, so I hope that was a spelling mistake.
#40772 - darkfader - Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:09 pm
| Lupin wrote: |
| You have op in the neoflash channel so you got to be involved in it somehow. |
I tried deopping myself several times, but somehow it comes back every time :P
I can't help it that some commercial product is based upon my PassMe code.
#40776 - Lynx - Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:17 pm
Not that I'm a warez kiddie or anything, but personally I think it being able to play commercial roms helps the homebrew community. Let's face it, if the warez kiddies can't play commercial roms on it, they aren't going to buy one. The homebrew community is to small for a company to invest in building a commercial homebrew package. So, this kit comes out.. people find out if it can infact play warez, if it can, 100,000 more people buy them, companies start ripping off the design, etc.. Now, there is competition for NDS "dev" kits.. the prices go down, and actual homebrewers can afford them.
#40778 - Proteanruler - Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:05 pm
For all the problems with piracy - i agree with Lynx - there are some definite benefits to homebrew community.
#40782 - tepples - Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:35 pm
| netdroid9 wrote: |
| Oh, and that person you just called DarkFodder created the passthrough, so I hope that was a spelling mistake. |
Or a Freudian slip. I'd bet someone's going to out and make a Scorched Earth/Gorillas/Solar Wars/Cannon Fodder knockoff called "DarkFodder" now.
Anyway, one benefit of the pirates getting their hands on homebrew equipment is that the pirates might try one of the homebrew games that start showing up in the GoodNDS set with a (PD) tag and then learn to appreciate the homebrew community.
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#40802 - Lupin - Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:29 pm
i think that it is mainly meant for warez because it will probably be able to run commercial games - homebrew developers sure won't need that feature. Also the device will be a lot easier to use for anyone who wants to play warez (i am sure it will come with all needed tools and instructions).
I called DarkFadder DarkFodder because i think he will gain a good amount of money by selling his warez device (he doesn't sell it on his own but i am sure he gets some payment for his passme design, if not he sure would be pissed that a company uses it for something commercial, no?) and i believe that a real "hacker" should stay all non-commercial in what he does for supporting the NDS (development) scene. Uhm, and doesn't DarkFodder sound more cute? ;)
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#40822 - darkfader - Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:03 pm
No, it doesn't sound better.
You think PassMe was designed for romz?
I'm sure real hackers have a good job.
#40830 - Lynx - Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:35 am
I think Lupink has no idea what he's talking about.
#40831 - assassda - Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:42 am
| Quote: |
| but i am sure he gets some payment for his passme design, if not he sure would be pissed that a company uses it for something commercial, no? |
i dont think he would be too mad he gives it away on his site for free and passme's use it
#40836 - tepples - Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:02 am
| Lupin wrote: |
| Uhm, and doesn't DarkFodder sound more cute? ;) |
I agree, but I'd recommend taking further discussion of this to another (off-)topic.
| assassda wrote: |
| Quote: | | but i am sure he gets some payment for his passme design, if not he sure would be pissed that a company uses it for something commercial, no? |
i dont think he would be too mad he gives it away on his site for free and passme's use it |
He asks for a royalty for commercial use:
| On his DS page, darkfader wrote: |
| Please pay $1 commission for each sold PassMe that uses my sourcecode :) |
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#40840 - assassda - Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:33 am
| Quote: |
| assassda: I think you should ask NeoFlash yourself. He's on IRC. Heck... let him post here :) |
i wish he would post, last time i tried irc i got idiotic responses this time i got no responses
#40842 - telamon - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:00 am
You guys got it all wrong. Don't you think it's a bit funny how the firmware project has been all pretty silenced lately and all you can hear is whispers of NEOFlash from every corner?
You see, during the firmware replacement beta test , someone made a discovery. A discovery so big it gave the authors almost the same power as Nintendo and run warez! They got scared of their creation, and said "- Oh noes! what if evil warz king got his hands on this?! Papa Nintodo would surely become very angry!". So they put something together to prevent this. Since every firmware image needs to be calculated differently for each ds they created the project "NEOFlash". NEOFlash is a honeypot to uncover all the hidden warez-troopers in the homebrew-armada. Those seen hanging out in the neoflash channel or having made contact with them will be denied their firmware calculation in the next release!
As for DF's relationship with NEOFlash, he is Neoflash!
#40847 - TJ - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:24 am
WTF are you talking about?
#40849 - telamon - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:32 am
it's a joke full of bold statements. xD
#40850 - neptunez - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:33 am
Is this some kind of conspiracy?
#40852 - FourScience - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:38 am
| telamon wrote: |
You guys got it all wrong. Don't you think it's a bit funny how the firmware project has been all pretty silenced lately and all you can hear is whispers of NEOFlash from every corner?
You see, during the firmware replacement beta test , someone made a discovery. A discovery so big it gave the authors almost the same power as Nintendo and run warez! They got scared of their creation, and said "- Oh noes! what if evil warz king got his hands on this?! Papa Nintodo would surely become very angry!". So they put something together to prevent this. Since every firmware image needs to be calculated differently for each ds they created the project "NEOFlash". NEOFlash is a honeypot to uncover all the hidden warez-troopers in the homebrew-armada. Those seen hanging out in the neoflash channel or having made contact with them will be denied their firmware calculation in the next release!
As for DF's relationship with NEOFlash, he is Neoflash! |
Quite an entertaining "conspiracy theory." If you really think it's true though, shh! Don't let the secret out!
#40856 - darkfader - Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:04 am
Oh no! telamon figured it out!
#40864 - norvan - Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:28 am
the truth cannot be known. Men, you are GO on taking him out.
#40872 - netdroid9 - Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:17 am
We are very dissapointed in you telamon. If word of this breaks out, the DS homebrewing community will be ruined. We must destroy the threat.
*Sends a hourde of zombies after telamon.*
*Wonders if these action tags are allowed.*
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| Lupin wrote: |
| I think that it is mainly meant for warez because it will probably be able to run commercial games - homebrew developers sure won't need that feature. |
It'd be real handy if you wanted to distribute homebrew games that actually worked on flashcarts.
As in: Passthrough roms are most likly to be used for debug purposes, as they have altered memory addresses or something that stop them from working on most emulators and flashcarts (Do you think a company will use passthrough technology when they've (No, WE've. No idea why the homebrewing community'd make a flashcart, except for if there are some limitations to a passthrough that I haven't found out about yet.) figured out how to make even cheaper flash carts that they can sell for ten times more?), while normal roms'd be used for distribution.
Why use passthrough roms for debug purposes? Who knows, someone may code some kind of logger into a passthrough :).
And everytime I wrote passthrough I thought passme. Passme google'd the passthrough!
#40893 - Lupin - Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:39 am
I just think that there should be a prevention in the NeoFlash passme so that it is not able to run commercial games (just like the real passme). If this is not implemented i will just think of it as a warez device. And if you look into the NeoFlash IRC channel you will notice that most people there are not developers afaik...
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#40904 - tepples - Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:51 pm
| Lupin wrote: |
| I just think that there should be a prevention in the NeoFlash passme so that it is not able to run commercial games (just like the real passme). If this is not implemented i will just think of it as a warez device. |
How would this work? The proprietary commercial programs use a file system, and unlike a directly addressable flash memory, a file system is dead easy to patch to use a different form of memory. How can a form of memory be developed that allows for the full use of the machine for free software without giving crackers the ability to patch proprietary commercial ROMs?
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#40907 - netdroid9 - Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:57 pm
| Lupin wrote: |
| I just think that there should be a prevention in the NeoFlash passme so that it is not able to run commercial games (just like the real passme). |
The real passme can play commercial roms I think, just with heaps and heaps of editing. The only thing that let's the Magic Key play comercial roms is that it (I think) patches the roms automatically.
#40915 - kiwibonga - Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:51 pm
I am so damn tired of the Neoflash hype already. This #neoflash channel has turned into a penis measuring contest to see who seems smartest by talking about stuff they know NOTHING about.
| Quote: |
| The real passme can play commercial roms I think, just with heaps and heaps of editing. |
Stuff like that... Is just... UGH. Someone duct tape his arms to the desk.
Rage. Pure rage.
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#40916 - ector - Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:57 pm
| Quote: |
| Quote: | | The real passme can play commercial roms I think, just with heaps and heaps of editing. |
Stuff like that... Is just... UGH. Someone duct tape his arms to the desk.
Rage. Pure rage. |
Well.. there's no question that it can, if you patch the card access routines to access GBA cart instead. It's been done.
#40919 - Cleon I - Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:30 pm
Yeah, I do remember seeing screens or a video of darkfader's (I think) hacked Metroid demo playing through his passthrough. That was definitely at least a portion of the commercial code from a game run using a passthrough. Given more flash cart space, I bet he could have patched the whole rom and put it on there.
Oops, am I allowed to say that?
#40921 - lambi1982 - Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:45 pm
well, there is a Neoflash ad/link first thing on Darkfaders website.
little weird, Darkfader says | Quote: |
| My name was never listed. Guess I'm not that popular after all :) |
| Quote: |
| And no, it's not my design but I do know that version 0 was a plain PassMe like the picture on my site. They almost have version 1 ready which adds flash+sram or something. |
He must know something about what they are using to know that they (Neoflash) are almost ready with version 1. ( unless they is someone else)
| Quote: |
| If it works out, it will probably be included in the kit. Perhaps they will sell it seperately too?? I don't know what their plans are and I don't care. |
If it's something you don't care about why advertise them on your site..
Not trying to bust your b@lls or anything,
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#40933 - kiwibonga - Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:38 pm
It's always fun to receive a free 512Mb flash cart + passme (estimated value $150+) just for putting an ad on your dev site :P
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#40997 - telamon - Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:56 am
Hmm did you guys get replies from them? I wrote an email the day before yesterday applying for the kit.
#41003 - josath - Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:27 am
i talked to neoflash on irc, and he asked for my website, then for my mailing address and said he'd send the kit to me next week. there is a possibility it was just someone impersonating him, and he didn't have all that great typing skills, but i'm assuming he's in hong kong or something and not a native english speaker.
#41006 - Extreme Coder - Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:36 am
I also talked to him on MSN, first he asked me for the website, I told him it was down. Then he asked for a ds project, I asked him what did he mean, game or dslinux. He meant dslinux. He expects me to have dslinux and send it to him!
#41008 - telamon - Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:51 am
oh i hope he has the time to read mails then, sent a copy now to NEOflash_Team@hotmail.com as i guess neoflash@hotmail.com must have been the wrong one,
| Extreme Coder wrote: |
| I also talked to him on MSN, first he asked me for the website, I told him it was down. Then he asked for a ds project, I asked him what did he mean, game or dslinux. He meant dslinux. He expects me to have dslinux and send it to him! |
Sounds like mess xD wich email was it you contacted him on via msn?
#41016 - josath - Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:58 am
not to put you down, i'm sure you are a real developer, and pretty good coder, but you have to admit, there is nothing stopping any random joe from saying "Oh yeah, I'm working on DSLinux...no, my website is down, and no, i don't have anything to show. just trust me"
#41094 - netdroid9 - Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:00 am
| josath wrote: |
| Not to put you down, i'm sure you are a real developer, and pretty good coder, but you have to admit, there is nothing stopping any random joe from saying "Oh yeah, I'm working on DSLinux...no, my website is down, and no, i don't have anything to show. just trust me" |
Sure there is: If they have an account that they've used to post at least once in the dev section of DSLinux, and have public email or the like enabled, you can check.
#41095 - TJ - Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:01 am
How would they check that if the site is down?
#41101 - Extreme Coder - Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:13 am
| Quote: |
| not to put you down, i'm sure you are a real developer, and pretty good coder, but you have to admit, there is nothing stopping any random joe from saying "Oh yeah, I'm working on DSLinux...no, my website is down, and no, i don't have anything to show. just trust me" |
Thanks, but my website isn't really down.It's just being reconstructed.
If the XGFlash guys know about this, they'll get him.
#41449 - pnice - Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:46 pm
The neoflash.com site has been updated and has a forum now and it looks a little more complete.
There is even a "darkfader.net (PassMe - Darkfader)" forum.
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