#40901 - YaW - Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:23 pm
I found a page wich said that a group of programmers have hacked the demo of Polarium for work with PassMe or WiFiMe, here is the demo:
http://users.belgacom.net/bn967347/Nintendo%20DS%20-%20Wireless%20Multiboot%20-%20Polarium%20Demo.zip
Can you check it?
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#40912 - Cleon I - Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:25 pm
Sorry, I don't have a PassMe (yet, it's in the mail) so I can't try it out for you.
However, I'm curious what the legal status of something like this is. Of course you can legally transmit the demo from one DS to another, since that's how it's designed to be used. Does this extend to DS -> computer -> internet -> other computer -> passme -> other DS? Or would this be considered illegal copying?
In this case, I don't see how copying the demo could harm anyone at all. If it does actually work, then it's essentially free advertising for Nintendo, since people who play the demo are more likely to get hooked and buy the full version. However, for other games down the road with multiboot content, it may not be as benign.
#40925 - thetictacaddict - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:20 pm
There is no .ds.gba file. I tried the binaries in dualis, and it didn't work. I hadn't used dualis before, so it could be due to my own incompetence.
#40926 - Jolarix - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:34 pm
| Cleon I wrote: |
Sorry, I don't have a PassMe (yet, it's in the mail) so I can't try it out for you.
However, I'm curious what the legal status of something like this is. Of course you can legally transmit the demo from one DS to another, since that's how it's designed to be used. Does this extend to DS -> computer -> internet -> other computer -> passme -> other DS? Or would this be considered illegal copying?
In this case, I don't see how copying the demo could harm anyone at all. If it does actually work, then it's essentially free advertising for Nintendo, since people who play the demo are more likely to get hooked and buy the full version. However, for other games down the road with multiboot content, it may not be as benign. |
I don't imagine it will be that easy to make passme/wifime work with many commercial games, demos or not. They are designed to work from the ds slot not the gba slot.
#40927 - tepples - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:42 pm
| thetictacaddict wrote: |
| I tried the binaries in dualis, and it didn't work. |
Dualis emulates the ARM9 and HLEs the ARM7. Once Nintendo changes the ARM7 library, the Dualis maintainer has to update the HLE.
iDeaS, on the other hand, emulates both CPUs.
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#40928 - dagamer34 - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:42 pm
| Jolarix wrote: |
| Cleon I wrote: | Sorry, I don't have a PassMe (yet, it's in the mail) so I can't try it out for you.
However, I'm curious what the legal status of something like this is. Of course you can legally transmit the demo from one DS to another, since that's how it's designed to be used. Does this extend to DS -> computer -> internet -> other computer -> passme -> other DS? Or would this be considered illegal copying?
In this case, I don't see how copying the demo could harm anyone at all. If it does actually work, then it's essentially free advertising for Nintendo, since people who play the demo are more likely to get hooked and buy the full version. However, for other games down the road with multiboot content, it may not be as benign. |
I don't imagine it will be that easy to make passme/wifime work with many commercial games, demos or not. They are designed to work from the ds slot not the gba slot. |
Well, that particular demo isn't designed to access the DS slot at all seeing as how it is supposed to be wirelessly sent to another DS via multiboot.
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#40929 - dafatkid27 - Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:48 pm
I got it to work. Replace the binaries in the data folder of the wmb.exe app with the binaries in the polarium demo zip. Works like a charm. This is pretty crazy cool.
#40932 - thetictacaddict - Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:26 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| thetictacaddict wrote: | | I tried the binaries in dualis, and it didn't work. |
Dualis emulates the ARM9 and HLEs the ARM7. Once Nintendo changes the ARM7 library, the Dualis maintainer has to update the HLE.
iDeaS, on the other hand, emulates both CPUs. |
Er, I meant iDeaS. I had heard that about the CPUs. Actually I tried both dualis and iDeaS, and I couldn't get it to run.
Also, wmb.exe is WifiMe, right? Does this mean it only works with WifiMe?
#40934 - josath - Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:24 pm
http://ds.rorexrobots.com/pol/
neimod built a passthrough binary from the arm7 & arm9 bins. I haven't personally tested it, but others have told me it works.
#40940 - Extreme Coder - Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:47 pm
Can this demo run without a GBA FlashCard?
Please,can someone host this file on another site. My ISP is blocking the users.belgacom.net site for no reason.
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#40941 - tepples - Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:06 pm
| Extreme Coder wrote: |
| My ISP is blocking the users.belgacom.net site for no reason. |
Have you reported the issue to your ISP? If so, have you received a response? If so, please summarize it here.
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#40946 - thetictacaddict - Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:05 pm
| josath wrote: |
| neimod built a passthrough binary from the arm7 & arm9 bins |
It doesn't seem to work for me with FlashMe, I don't have my PassMe with me but I'll have to try it later...
Edit: Works with PassMe, but not with FlashMe. How noteworthy is this?
#40955 - josath - Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:38 pm
FlashME looks specifically for PASSME or DSBooter at the front i think, the passme doesn't check, it just always runs it. Perhaps when neimod built it, he used a different title string
#40974 - The 9th Sage - Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:01 am
| josath wrote: |
http://ds.rorexrobots.com/pol/
neimod built a passthrough binary from the arm7 & arm9 bins. I haven't personally tested it, but others have told me it works. |
Aw, that's too bad...it's gone now, I missed it. Heh, oh well...I would have been really interested to try this game out. I'm quite curious about it.
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#40977 - thetictacaddict - Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:25 am
| josath wrote: |
| FlashME looks specifically for PASSME or DSBooter at the front i think, the passme doesn't check, it just always runs it. Perhaps when neimod built it, he used a different title string |
I don't think that's the problem. TI-Calc emu uses a different title, but you can force it to boot by holding a,b,x and y. It seems that it tries to load the demo, but I get two white screens.
#40979 - darkfader - Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:36 am
I tested too...
FlashMe + firmware v1 => doesn't work
FlashMe + firmware v2 => doesn't work
PassMe + firmware v1 => works
PassMe + firmware v2 => doesn't work
#40981 - NEiM0D - Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:40 am
FlashMe + Firmware vUnknown (EUR DS) => works for me
#40992 - thetictacaddict - Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:11 am
Another thing I noticed is that the demo freezes when I pull out the PassMe. In most demos, that doesn't matter, and I can pull the GBA cart out with the Polarium Demo while it continues to run.
It seems weird that the demo would check for card removal when it's normally run from download play.
#40993 - The 9th Sage - Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:22 am
| thetictacaddict wrote: |
Another thing I noticed is that the demo freezes when I pull out the PassMe. In most demos, that doesn't matter, and I can pull the GBA cart out with the Polarium Demo while it continues to run.
It seems weird that the demo would check for card removal when it's normally run from download play. |
Also, if you're using the updated firmware it doesn't work, yet if you hold select to bypass it and let the demo boot via PassMe, it works. Is that firmware considered v1 or v2, or is the original firmware v1?
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#40999 - thetictacaddict - Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:15 am
| darkfader wrote: |
FlashMe + firmware v1 => doesn't work
FlashMe + firmware v2 => doesn't work
PassMe + firmware v1 => works
PassMe + firmware v2 => doesn't work |
| The 9th Sage wrote: |
| Also, if you're using the updated firmware it doesn't work, yet if you hold select to bypass it and let the demo boot via PassMe, it works. Is that firmware considered v1 or v2, or is the original firmware v1? |
Sage, it sounds like you're referring to the patched firmware as v2 (possibly v1). Since darkfader lists FlashMe (the patch) with firmware v1 and v2, I think there are two different versions of the official firmware.
#41002 - Extreme Coder - Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:26 am
No body answered my question... Does it work on WifiMe without a flashcard?
#41004 - assassda - Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:30 am
it should work without ANY cards in since its not working like WifiMe does, instead of downloading the code that says "look here for homebrew" you are merely downloading it like any other ds download play
think of your computer as a friend in your room you dont need a flashcard to download the polarium demo from a friend or a computer
#41009 - The 9th Sage - Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:01 am
| assassda wrote: |
Sage, it sounds like you're referring to the patched firmware as v2 (possibly v1). Since darkfader lists FlashMe (the patch) with firmware v1 and v2, I think there are two different versions of the official firmware. |
Hm, yeah, this makes sense since he was referring to FlashMe twice. I guess I just re-iterated him then. Oh well. :P
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#41029 - Theodore104 - Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:04 am
Yes, the original link will transfer wirelessly and run fine witout a flash cart.
The .ds.gba version posted ran fine for me with Wifi-triggered passthrough and an unmodified firmware.
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#41033 - Cleon I - Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:41 am
If someone who managed to grab the passthrough version could PM me, I would be very grateful. :)
#41040 - Proteanruler - Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:49 pm
weirdest of things - worked perfectly without passme (flashme only) first time I used it. Then I put in the passme and checked it ran on that. Then I tried to run again on flashme version - now it doesn't work on flashme! Anyway - not too devastated. It's a pretty dull demo :).
new note: definitely has done something to the firmware flash I beta tested. Firmware now requries passme to work! With passme plugged in, I skip health screen etc... without it... I have no joy. Gotta check my homebrew stuff still works!
final note: Only has affected Polarium demo which worked fine first time Iloaded without passme. Trying it with passme and flashme caused flashme to no longer like polarium without passme. God knows why... who cares... flashme still works nice with ds paint etc. No big deal. Was getting worried there. Something defintely did get altered though. That certainly is of interest.
#41043 - gl0b - Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:14 pm
Wow this polarium demo runs fine on wifime, i even finished the 10puzzles :P
Another great step! congratulations neimod & darkfly! :D
#41067 - olimar - Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:55 pm
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#41068 - darkfader - Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:14 pm
Heh... I just jumped into the same conclusion and wanted to post it here.
The firmware difference shouldn't matter at all. Using FlashMe, it should still load the header from inserted cartridge. So that doesn't matter either.
The reason is that the loader forgets to load the polarium cartridge header into memory :)
Anyway, the nicest solution would be to convert this into an NDS file, so it can be used with any NDS loader.
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#41070 - NEiM0D - Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:39 pm
Fixed!
I can confirm it now works with DS card removed aswell.
#41074 - mtg101 - Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:04 pm
| Extreme Coder wrote: |
| No body answered my question... Does it work on WifiMe without a flashcard? |
I'd suggest you start by finding out what WiFiMe does. There's a lot of information on this forum if you search for it (try searching for "wifime").
Or use a search engine to find info about it on the net. The first hit for "wifime" on google.com explains exactly what you need to use WiFiMe at the top of the page.
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#41084 - Proteanruler - Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:49 pm
LOL - thanks to whoever worked that out. I have to leave a DS cartridge in the slot (not even a passme, just a straight cart (I used metroid prime demo)) - then the flashme works a treat. I hadn't realised I had always had one in when testing. Doh! Nice one to the gurus behind this :). Still stuck on level 5 though... oeerrr
#41089 - thetictacaddict - Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:20 am
| Proteanruler wrote: |
| LOL - thanks to whoever worked that out. I have to leave a DS cartridge in the slot (not even a passme, just a straight cart (I used metroid prime demo)) - then the flashme works a treat. I hadn't realised I had always had one in when testing. Doh! Nice one to the gurus behind this :). Still stuck on level 5 though... oeerrr |
It works now! I had even tried FlashMe with a card (Yoshi Touch and Go) in the slot, but it didn't work. Metroid demo + FlashMe/PassMe runs polarium demo. I tried yoshi touch and go with a regular PassMe and it didn't work with polarium. Yoshi+PassMe worked with, for instance, nibbles 1.1 though.
I was stuck on level 5 for so long... the tutorial helped a little; I didn't realize that only each horizontal line had to be a single color, not the entire puzzle.
I wonder if dumping download play demos will become commonplace. Maybe we could start trying those demos from the kiosks in japan, if it is determined to be legal.
What went into dumping this, anyway?
#41107 - Sektor - Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:32 am
| Extreme Coder wrote: |
| No body answered my question... Does it work on WifiMe without a flashcard? |
All you need to run the polarium demo is a compatible wifi card. Homebrew demos still require a flash card.
#41109 - Cleon I - Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:05 am
Phew, just ran through the 10 demo puzzles in about 20 minutes. Lots of fun! I'm definitely picking this up, but AFTER finals are over! ;)
#41625 - headspin - Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:18 pm
So how exactly do you send this to the DS without a flash cart? Using WMB? If so, were do I place the rom, do I have to rename one of the files in the data directory?
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#41630 - Chetic - Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:58 pm
Does this not work with FlashMe?
To me that makes it seem like FlashMe isn't all that good after all..
(It's still freakin' awesome though)
#41633 - headspin - Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:47 pm
It does seem to work with FlashMe (firmware update) + GBA Flashcart but it just crashed on the front screen for me.
What I am wondering is about this post:
| dafatkid27 wrote: |
| I got it to work. Replace the binaries in the data folder of the wmb.exe app with the binaries in the polarium demo zip. Works like a charm. This is pretty crazy cool. |
Which implies you can get the demo working simply by sending it over wirelessly and using the "ds download play" option. I dunno, getting this demo working without a flash cart sounds a little unlikely to me since firefly has just got wireless multiboots's to work without RSA signatures, and I don't think he's released this firmware yet ( http://users.belgacom.net/bn967347/ )
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#41639 - tepples - Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:48 pm
Polarium is signed, just as the SM64DS loader is signed.
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#41640 - headspin - Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:22 pm
Ok, so can someone explain how I can use wmb.exe to transfer it to my DS wirelessly. [I'm pig-headed and wan't to see it work without the use of a flashcart].
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#41676 - headspin - Sun May 01, 2005 2:02 am
Can someone post an IPS patch of neimod's passthru version of Polarium for firefly's original dump?
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#41684 - josath - Sun May 01, 2005 4:09 am
i believe you can just use ndstool on the arm9 and arm7 bins...but i could be wrong
#41688 - headspin - Sun May 01, 2005 4:53 am
yeah I think your right there.. cheers
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