#55831 - game16 - Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:02 am
HOW DO I DO IT? ive searched around for hrs and havent found a thing
#55833 - game16 - Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:58 am
so is it u dont know or are u hiding ur pot of gold with all the secrets..unless you're not allowed to discuss this here?
#55834 - tepples - Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:05 am
Are you talking about Wi-Fi demo dumping or about demo cart dumping? If you're talking about the former, you need to put a suitable Wi-Fi card in your laptop, sneak it into a convention where Wi-Fi demos are offered, run a packet capture of about 10 demo downloads, and send it off to someone for developing. If you're talking about the latter, take it to Pocket Heaven.
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#55835 - game16 - Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:43 am
uhh the former, how do you do all that packet stuff and deving? and umm how do i send it to some one?
#55862 - Lynx - Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:40 pm
The real answer.. You can't. There is no documentation released on how to do it.. Why is that?
#55882 - Sappharad - Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:18 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| The real answer.. You can't. There is no documentation released on how to do it.. Why is that? |
It's because you don't NEED any special documentation to do it. It's no different from capturing WiFi packets between two PC's.
Special hardware and software is only needed to communicate with the DS, but not to just listen.
| game16 wrote: |
| and umm how do i send it to some one? |
How to send files over the internet(Google.com)
#55893 - crudhacker - Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:26 pm
I too wanted to try capturing DS packets but had no clue on how to and I still don't.
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#55894 - tepples - Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:32 pm
| Sappharad wrote: |
| Lynx wrote: | | There is no documentation released on how to do it.. Why is that? |
It's because you don't NEED any special documentation to do it. It's no different from capturing WiFi packets between two PC's. |
Then how do you reassemble a packet capture of a DS Download Play session into a .nds file?
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#55896 - game16 - Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:37 pm
ok, i ve found out how to do the packet sniffing thing now then, as per tepples question , how do u assemble it in to .nds?
#55900 - Maverick - Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:28 pm
Once you have the packets captured and the sniffers own headers removed from the capture file, convert the capture into its own header.bin, beacons.bin, rsa.bin, arm7.bin and arm9.bin and compile into an nds file.
The capture will just look like random numbers until you study and work it out.
#55904 - crudhacker - Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:52 pm
| Maverick wrote: |
Once you have the packets captured and the sniffers own headers removed from the capture file, convert the capture into its own header.bin, beacons.bin, rsa.bin, arm7.bin and arm9.bin and compile into an nds file.
The capture will just look like random numbers until you study and work it out. |
heck I don't even know how to capture packets. Everytime i use a sniffer to capture packets i get crap..... anybody know a good packet sniffer to recommend?
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#55909 - game16 - Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:35 am
| Maverick wrote: |
Once you have the packets captured and the sniffers own headers removed from the capture file, convert the capture into its own header.bin, beacons.bin, rsa.bin, arm7.bin and arm9.bin and compile into an nds file.
The capture will just look like random numbers until you study and work it out. |
ok, im purty new to this stuff so once i get the packets i take out the sniffers header, how? and how do i convert the captured file to .bins? lastly , maverick u seem like you know whatca doing what packet sniffer do u suggest to use ?
#55913 - Maverick - Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:45 am
All this can be done with the use of a hex editor. To get you started, you can try to read and understand the beacons layout on my website: http://downtou.ne1.net/ Its in the DS section under Docs & Tuts, Research, Multiboot Initiation.
Dependant on what card you will be using to sniff and how much you are willing to spend on the software, i would mosl likely recommend Airopeek. Demos can be downloaded from the website.
Send me any packets and ill try to work em out and add other sections to my research for you to learn.
#55925 - Sappharad - Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:23 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Then how do you reassemble a packet capture of a DS Download Play session into a .nds file? |
You were the one who originally suggested sending it to someone who knows how "for developing."
But yeah, as Maverick said, if you want to re-assemble it yourself, you've got to figure out what data is what yourself because nobody has really documented that well. Though, at least you can get the demo captured so it can eventually be used.
#55935 - IxthusTiger - Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:56 pm
If you're really really nice to him, maybe firefly will decode it for you
#55940 - Lynx - Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:47 pm
Ok... so, there is no real tutorial on capturing demos.. which is what I thought.. So why doesn't someone that knows how to do it, write one? It's easy to say "capture the traffic, and build these .bins" but unless you know what your looking at, that is useless information. Of course, your standard person isn't going to have the skills to figure out what is what in a capture. But, having the information there would be nice for the rest of us to "learn" even if we have no plans of ever doing it. How about what capture looks like, and what things you can make out to decide what is what..
Telling people to bother FireFly isn't the answer.. an nice "step by step" tutorial (high level or not) would be nice.
#55974 - IxthusTiger - Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:23 am
We're talking about this as well in the Nintendogs thread under DS Misc.
Do you know anyone BESIDES firefly that can put these packets together? If one of these knowledgeable people can teach us these things, that would be ideal.
Firefly was happy to do it for the E3 demos and even the PokePark demo. He went so far as to decode it, then NOT release it according to the capturer's wishes. He's a good guy. Asking him about this is quite a bit different from "bothering" him.
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#55982 - davine - Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:21 am
It's not that hard, IIRC. But are there any new demos out? I could dig out some info if you want.
#55984 - Lynx - Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:47 am
I dunno if it matters if there are new demos out or not.. but more of the knowledge sharing involved. Like I said, I have no intentions of ever capturing a demo and then creating a .nds file, but I would like to get an understanding of how it is done as well as what it looks like.
#56151 - crudhacker - Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:33 pm
| Maverick wrote: |
All this can be done with the use of a hex editor. To get you started, you can try to read and understand the beacons layout on my website: http://downtou.ne1.net/ Its in the DS section under Docs & Tuts, Research, Multiboot Initiation.
Dependant on what card you will be using to sniff and how much you are willing to spend on the software, i would mosl likely recommend Airopeek. Demos can be downloaded from the website.
Send me any packets and ill try to work em out and add other sections to my research for you to learn. |
Any other programs besides Airopeek? My wireless card isn't supported by it.
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#56280 - Maverick - Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:40 pm
The point is that you need to capture the transmissions at a RAW level, so not all wireless cards will be able to. Unless someone has written a raw driver for your card, i think firefly had one for the sweex zydas usb stick, and others may have more.
#56319 - crudhacker - Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:04 pm
| Maverick wrote: |
| The point is that you need to capture the transmissions at a RAW level, so not all wireless cards will be able to. Unless someone has written a raw driver for your card, i think firefly had one for the sweex zydas usb stick, and others may have more. |
how can i found out if my card can capture transmissions at a RAW level?
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#56330 - Sappharad - Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:30 pm
| crudhacker wrote: |
| Maverick wrote: | | The point is that you need to capture the transmissions at a RAW level, so not all wireless cards will be able to. Unless someone has written a raw driver for your card, i think firefly had one for the sweex zydas usb stick, and others may have more. |
how can i found out if my card can capture transmissions at a RAW level? |
You could try it in Linux. I've found that a lot of wireless cards have this ability available for their linux drivers.
#56342 - game16 - Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:51 am
do you think that firefly's drier will ever support USB versions? or maybe different chipsets? mines is a USB 2570 :(
o wells back on topic, any patciular linux distro u sugggest? unfortunetaly my adaptor doesnt have a linux driver
#56345 - tepples - Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:13 am
There probably won't be a WMB compatible driver for the USB Wi-Fi cards, as USB tends to have more latency than PCI (or CardBus which is just PCI in a PCMCIA form factor).
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