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DS Flash Equipment > Can I Flash New Firmware DS with Flashme using Wifime?

#58523 - kenji_kidz - Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:45 am

Hi I'm from Malaysia and currently i've buy a new firmware DS and the passkey for the M3 won work. Just wondering, can i flash my DS with Flashme using the Wifime? Thanks for replying.

#58526 - Ackman - Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:51 am

The 9th Sage wrote:
WiFiMe does not work with the new firmware. I would think it could be modified to do so, but I don't think anyone has as of yet.


at this moment the consoles with new firmware only can be flashed with passme with new code, wifime does not work

bye

#58533 - kenji_kidz - Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:03 am

But my passkey won work. I guess have to wait. Any idea to reprograme the code to the passkey just like Passme?

#58548 - darkfader - Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:30 pm

Open it... there are 6 contacts at the bottom side of the PCB. I don't have the pin-out ready here.

#58661 - The 9th Sage - Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:21 am

Ackman wrote:
The 9th Sage wrote:
WiFiMe does not work with the new firmware. I would think it could be modified to do so, but I don't think anyone has as of yet.


at this moment the consoles with new firmware only can be flashed with passme with new code, wifime does not work

bye


Er, that's what I said. :P
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#58671 - kenji_kidz - Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:55 am

planningto build on cheaptag myself and i'm a not an electronic. Where can i download the passme code for the new DS Firmware? from Darkvader site or natrium42 site? and how do i contact with the PCB as i don know which one to contact. Currently i have only passkey by G6/M3.

#58679 - Ackman - Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:04 am

The 9th Sage wrote:
Er, that's what I said. :P


yes, you said it to me ;)

bye

#58801 - socket - Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:21 am

Ackman wrote:
at this moment the consoles with new firmware only can be flashed with passme with new code, wifime does not work


you say "at this moment"... does that imply that this may not be the case in the far/near future? should I just get a compatible DS or passme?

#58803 - tepples - Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:34 am

Someone may find a "magic SWI" in one of the WMB demos and then make the same header modifications that were made to create WiFiMe.
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#58819 - pepsiman - Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:13 pm

tepples wrote:
Someone may find a "magic SWI" in one of the WMB demos and then make the same header modifications that were made to create WiFiMe.

Addresses for current WiFiMe data:
swi ff 0239e42c
bx lr 02004978

#58991 - pepsiman - Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:59 pm

tepples wrote:
Someone may find a "magic SWI" in one of the WMB demos and then make the same header modifications that were made to create WiFiMe.

Testers required: http://pepsiman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wifime2.tgz

#58998 - tintedchrome - Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:08 pm

I'll try it tomorrow night at my bud's place, and let you know what happens..

I assume i load up wifime2 nds using wmb.. but do I need the bin file on the cart? or can i use the firmware that's already on there?

#59000 - JaJa - Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:20 pm

I think you need to get the bin in your flash carts SRAM much like with the passme V2.

#59004 - mystery.tipster - Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:42 pm

Ive' tried this and unless I've mistunderstood something this wifime 2 is a joke.

I have put both the .bin file and the.nds on the flashcart and also in the wmb folder and then flashed wifime2 to the DS. All I then get is a demo of a air hockey game!

I presume this was suppose to be a test to allow the new flashme to be run on the new DS i.e. Blue, Pink etc

If I have completly got the wrong end of the stick then I'm sorry but if not avoid this as it is a waste of time

#59006 - Mighty Max - Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:47 pm

I think you got something wrong here.

- Put the .nds into WMBs Data folder
- Put any OTHER nds (which shall be run, i.e. flashme) on the flashcard without boot menu
- put the bin into the flash card's sram

WMB the new wifimi2 to the DS, it should now start the .nds on your card. (Which therefor shouldnt be the official demo used to wifime)

And yes, it is as said above a test.
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#59008 - mystery.tipster - Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:10 am

Hi again

Ok, so I put flashme on my SC CF card, but where and how do I put it in the sram.

thanks


Have you tried this yet? also why do I get this air hockey game load up


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#59016 - tintedchrome - Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:02 am

ok, in order to get the bin into the sram, can I just rename the extension to *.sav, and flash it that way to my efa linker 512mb through the "write save" option?

So far it looks like it's written, but I won't be sure until I try to wifime tomorrow night..

#59021 - natrium42 - Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:49 am

tintedchrome wrote:
ok, in order to get the bin into the sram, can I just rename the extension to *.sav, and flash it that way to my efa linker 512mb through the "write save" option?

Yes, that should work. Perhaps it will require you to pad the file to 8KB or 32KB.
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#59045 - wiedo - Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:41 am

Mighty Max wrote:
I think you got something wrong here.

- Put the .nds into WMBs Data folder
- Put any OTHER nds (which shall be run, i.e. flashme) on the flashcard without boot menu
- put the bin into the flash card's sram

WMB the new wifimi2 to the DS, it should now start the .nds on your card. (Which therefor shouldnt be the official demo used to wifime)

And yes, it is as said above a test.


Isn't working for me yet.. putted flashme.nds.gba and the bin renamed to .sav on my ezflashII... WMBed the wifimi2.nds to the DS and it starting the airhockey.. i will try some more.. but no results for now..

is that because i'm using meteos (europe) as original DS game?

#59047 - pepsiman - Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:13 pm

wiedo wrote:
WMBed the wifimi2.nds to the DS and it starting the airhockey..

Well, that's a fail.

Thanks for testing.


Last edited by pepsiman on Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:48 pm; edited 1 time in total

#59052 - Lynx - Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:47 pm

What SWI and BX LR are you using for air hockey?

#59053 - pepsiman - Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:51 pm

Lynx wrote:
What SWI and BX LR are you using for air hockey?

bx lr = 0x020009C8
swi ea = 0x0238D2C5

#59058 - qwench - Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:11 pm

Hi

I alos have a new ds (black hk dS), and my passkey doesn't work :(

I bought a wifi pcmcia card to use the wifime instead. I will try some ideas given here and see what's happen.
More infos soon.

Keep the good work.

#59074 - pepsiman - Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:48 pm

Quote:
<[firefly]> new firmware does not use the arm7/9 address values from the wmb header, it uses the one from the .nds header

This makes wifime impossible with new firmware.

#59085 - thoop - Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:12 pm

pepsiman wrote:
Quote:
<[firefly]> new firmware does not use the arm7/9 address values from the wmb header, it uses the one from the .nds header

This makes wifime impossible with new firmware.
That really sucks, at least I got my ds with the old firmware (flashed now) :)

#59090 - tepples - Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:40 pm

pepsiman wrote:
This makes wifime impossible with new firmware.

Which means someone's going to have to make ItsaMe.
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#59118 - qwench - Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:52 am

ohh nooooooo
Too bad :( and I just bought a wifi pcmcia card...

The way to go now is the JTAG cable then... but I have a passkey, not a passme. I will open it to see if I can find the same pins as in the passme...

Can someone confirm the jtag sram method actually works ?
I have a black nds from hongkong.

#59136 - cory1492 - Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:47 pm

:P sorry, didnt see a full second page of posts lol

#59141 - wiedo - Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:47 pm

nothing is imposible.. i'm not a coder so i can't help you..

maybe there are some new chances when mario kart goes online.. i can remember they hacked the nintendo gamecube because of an online game.

#59147 - kylocos - Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:47 pm

Wifime isn't impossible, you need to crack the signature like how xbox was exploited.

but i'm impatient. i will probably end up getting the passme2 =)

#59151 - wiedo - Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:39 pm

me too...

maybe i'll wait till there's something like a NDS flash card..

#59162 - natrium42 - Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:18 pm

kylocos wrote:
Wifime isn't impossible, you need to crack the signature like how xbox was exploited.

but i'm impatient. i will probably end up getting the passme2 =)

There is a good reason to be impatient, since cracking 1024-bit RSA would take a couple of thousands of years with current cumputers...
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#59165 - Mighty Max - Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:29 pm

Nah, wouldnt need that, only a hundret years for cracking the SHA1, as we have a RSA for an existing NDS(and therefore valid to an existing SHA1 hash), so we would only need to change the header, and then find another change to get a hash collission (which is likely in 2^89 tries, trusting that padding weakness)

:p

Still very unlikely.
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#59179 - natrium42 - Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:27 am

You made a mistake somewhere, 2^89 is very big :)

Current processors can execute around 2^32 operations per second (~4.3GHz CPU, being generous here). So if a RSA check can be done in one clock (which is unlikely, but whatever), we need 2^57 CPU seconds which is roughly 4,569,862,636 years. With one million computers, each checking RSA keys at a frequency of 4.3GHz (yeah, right), you need 4,570 years.
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#59186 - Lynx - Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:05 am

Heh.. Dejavue (sp).... This sounds exactly like the post I started.. oh.. back in January of this year.. you can read it HERE

You will see people were saying the exact same thing about the NDS cart encryption.. but you know what? We have it.. Or.. people have it.. ;)

Quote:
emm.. yes.. maybe with 10000 cpus, each with 1 000 000 000 combinations/s ... and. emmm... in just some hundred years we'll get it ;)


And my personal favorite:
Quote:
Actually, by using a marvellous invention called a 'calculator', we can estimate how long it might take. If you assume 1bn keys/sec (which is ridiculously generous), you'd need 9.5 million years of CPU time to search the entire keyspace. By way of comparison, seti@home has so far accumulated a mere 2.2m CPU years over a period of 5 years.


And that project lasted.. what? 5 days? I mean, I missed a day or so, and got screwed in "the race". So, did the small collection of homebrew computers have more power then the seti@home project, or are we all quick to make up numbers and not really know what it would take to crack the encryption. Like I said on IRC..

The only way to be sure that we do not crack the encryption is to not try. It only takes 1 lucky guess to crack it, and if that lucky guess is the 5 or 6th guess, then it will have been cracked in a few minutes.

#59191 - tepples - Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:41 am

The Nintendo DS Game Card encryption still isn't fully cracked; otherwise we wouldn't need PassMe. Specifically, last time I checked, the algorithm to negotiate the initial key was still unknown.
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#59196 - natrium42 - Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:15 am

Lynx wrote:

You will see people were saying the exact same thing about the NDS cart encryption.. but you know what? We have it.. Or.. people have it.. ;)

Mostly because they managed to read low ARM7 BIOS in some undisclosed way. And reportedly, it contains the encryption/decryption seeds.

Anyway, DS cart encryption is many orders of magnitude easier to crack than 1024-bit RSA. DF could have used a FPGA with parallel checking units to do that, instead of a bunch of computers :P
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#59237 - pepsiman - Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:27 pm

tepples wrote:
The Nintendo DS Game Card encryption still isn't fully cracked; otherwise we wouldn't need PassMe. Specifically, last time I checked, the algorithm to negotiate the initial key was still unknown.

It has been known since before flashme was created.
Unfortunately, the people who know aren't talking.

#59251 - deltro - Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:59 pm

Crack the DS cartridge encryption = unpossible?

http://www.seventeenorbust.com/

#59252 - MaHe - Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:21 pm

You cannot beat the machine, but you can beat the human mind... Mwhahahahah...

#59267 - natrium42 - Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:40 pm

deltro wrote:
Crack the DS cartridge encryption = unpossible?

http://www.seventeenorbust.com/

That's a really big non-Mersenne prime, but still a prime of a special form :)
I can guarantee you that they didn't check the entire range, and used some smart algorithm. In fact: http://wiki.seventeenorbust.com/index.php/SeventeenOrBust

Checking a prime with a similar number of digits by sieving, would take a very very very very long time :)
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#59298 - GORON - Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:00 am

to flash flashme on to the NEW ds' using wifime?

Does wifi me connect to a new ds?

Does the flashme install program run on a new ds?

#59302 - pepsiman - Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:33 am

GORON wrote:
to flash flashme on to the NEW ds' using wifime?

No.
Quote:

Does wifi me connect to a new ds?

No.
Quote:

Does the flashme install program run on a new ds?

Yes.

#59305 - GORON - Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:16 am

TA. PM.

couple more questions...

So If i get a superpass I can run flashme from my F2A Ultra and flash the new DS?

Does the superpass have an updateable firmware?

Thanks in advance

#59306 - wiedo - Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:21 am

GORON wrote:
Does wifi me connect to a new ds?


Yes, but you only can send demo's.

#59307 - pepsiman - Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:34 am

wiedo wrote:
GORON wrote:
Does wifi me connect to a new ds?


Yes, but you only can send demo's.

That's wmb, not wifime.

#59311 - GORON - Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:18 pm

I see...

So what your saying is, you can still use WMB to directly send and load demos but wifime just cant boot stuff from flash card anymore

So WMB still works fine but wifime wont boot on new DS firmware or something like that

OK thanks. I think i understumble ;)

One more question: if I get a Passme2 can I run Flasme off my F2A Ultra and flash the bios on my New DS?

#59320 - JaJa - Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:18 pm

GORON wrote:
TA. PM.
couple more questions...
So If i get a superpass I can run flashme from my F2A Ultra and flash the new DS?
Does the superpass have an updateable firmware?
Thanks in advance

Yes, but you need to reflash the superpass, and figure out the pins for the cheap JTAG cable.
You then need to go to www.ndshb.com and get the sram.bin file and new CPLD file for a game you own.
This is easier with the passme because the pinouts well known/easy to find. You can then run flashme from a GBA flash cart.
Throw away your superpass.
So the superpass firmware isn't really updatable

#59454 - jingo - Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:23 pm

I just sold my gba flashcart to help pay for a supercard. At the same time, I sent my DS in for repair. Well, DS's replacement just came back, and I'm pretty sure it has the new firmware. How can I tell for sure? It's silver. When I try to use Wifime to run Flashme it hangs at Nintendo's 'Loading Game Data' screen.

If it does have the new firmware, will I be able to use a passme2 and my supercard CF to run the new Flashme? From what I have gathered, this involves loading a bin into the sram, and I don't know if this is possible with the supercard.

:(

#59457 - socket - Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:56 pm

Not sure. As soon as I get my PassMe2 I'll give it a try with my Supercard CF (and M3). If it doesnt work, I'm sure there'll be a solution eventually. Just play a commercial cart and be patient.

#59458 - JaJa - Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:15 pm

Oh, for those people who have a superpass and are having difficulty re flashing with new passme code, your CPLD may be locked.
http://www.xess.com/faq/M0000150.HTM
Tells you how to unlock it.

#59462 - Thomas - Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:44 pm

JaJa wrote:
Oh, for those people who have a superpass and are having difficulty re flashing with new passme code, your CPLD may be locked.
http://www.xess.com/faq/M0000150.HTM
Tells you how to unlock it.

When I reflashed my Superpass, I just right-clicked on the device and chose 'erase'. After that, I could program it succesfully.

#59464 - jingo - Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:32 am

socket wrote:
Not sure. As soon as I get my PassMe2 I'll give it a try with my Supercard CF (and M3). If it doesnt work, I'm sure there'll be a solution eventually. Just play a commercial cart and be patient.


oh, ok. thanks. please let us know how that turns out!

#59495 - Endy - Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:29 am

Thomas wrote:

When I reflashed my Superpass, I just right-clicked on the device and chose 'erase'. After that, I could program it succesfully.


What was the pin layout you used? I've modified my CheapTag cable to the pinout GlenC posted ( GND, TDI, TMS, TCK, TD0, VCC), but I just can't get impact to find my CPLD in boundary-scan :(

#59502 - natrium42 - Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:12 am

Endy wrote:
Thomas wrote:

When I reflashed my Superpass, I just right-clicked on the device and chose 'erase'. After that, I could program it succesfully.


What was the pin layout you used? I've modified my CheapTag cable to the pinout GlenC posted ( GND, TDI, TMS, TCK, TD0, VCC), but I just can't get impact to find my CPLD in boundary-scan :(

Check your power-supply.
Re-check all connections.
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#59521 - wiedo - Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:46 pm

why can't you send flashme with wmb?

#59522 - pepsiman - Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:48 pm

wiedo wrote:
why can't you send flashme with wmb?

using wmb requires you to have installed flashme already.

You can upgrade flashme with wmb, but you can't install it.

#59527 - Thomas - Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:32 pm

Endy wrote:
Thomas wrote:

When I reflashed my Superpass, I just right-clicked on the device and chose 'erase'. After that, I could program it succesfully.


What was the pin layout you used? I've modified my CheapTag cable to the pinout GlenC posted ( GND, TDI, TMS, TCK, TD0, VCC), but I just can't get impact to find my CPLD in boundary-scan :(

Here it is. And you should check power supply and connections like natrium42 said. Maybe try it on another computer, since not all parallel ports will work.

#59683 - wiedo - Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:37 am

pepsiman wrote:
wiedo wrote:
why can't you send flashme with wmb?

using wmb requires you to have installed flashme already.

You can upgrade flashme with wmb, but you can't install it.


but i can send demo's using wmb... can't someone modify flashme so you can send it with wifime? Or is that stupid question?

Because if that is possible solved the problem with version 2 firmware..

#59684 - Sektor - Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:53 am

Official WMB demos are digitally signed by nintendo. FlashMe.nds and all homebrew software are not signed by nintendo, so cannot be sent and launched by WMB on an unmodified DS.

#59708 - tepples - Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:38 pm

wiedo wrote:
can't someone modify flashme so you can send it with wifime? Or is that stupid question?

Forging Nintendo's digital signature would require brute-forcing Nintendo's signing key, which would take until you are dead.
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#59743 - dXtr - Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:52 pm

tepples wrote:
wiedo wrote:
can't someone modify flashme so you can send it with wifime? Or is that stupid question?

Forging Nintendo's digital signature would require brute-forcing Nintendo's signing key, which would take until you are dead.


correction, until you're dead x 10 times (or what ever it was) ^^
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#59744 - Ilomoga - Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:57 pm

OMG it would be soo cool if Nintendo would support Homebrewers a bit more.
DOn't you think it would rock if you could send the source to Nintendo, they check it and if everything's ok you get it signed back?

I know that's impossible because Nintendo is Nintendo and it would cost money but I'm allowed to have dreams, am I not?
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#59779 - tepples - Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:56 am

Ilomoga wrote:
OMG it would be soo cool if Nintendo would support Homebrewers a bit more.

Get a GP2X if you want dreams.
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#59823 - Ilomoga - Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:45 am

tepples wrote:
Ilomoga wrote:
OMG it would be soo cool if Nintendo would support Homebrewers a bit more.

Get a GP2X if you want dreams.


Yeah, that's another possibility.
But it doesn't has DS features like Touchscreen and dual screen ;)
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#59824 - tepples - Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:59 am

Nin?endo's response: Get a Palm if you want touch and homebrew.
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#59841 - Ilomoga - Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:28 pm

tepples wrote:
Nin?endo's response: Get a Palm if you want touch and homebrew.


lol I just said it would be cool if it would be so, not that it's necessary to be able to say the DS rocks ;)
BTW: I've got a PocketPC running Familiar Linux ;) But it has no dual screen :-P
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#60029 - pt3r - Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:45 am

I just received my wifi pcmcia card (hercules) yesterday and installed it without a problem. I managed to download the e3 demos on my silver DS, as well as running examples found in devkitpro (thatI flashed on a flash advance 256 card ) via WIFIME. Does this guarantee me that I will be able to install flashme via WIFIME? I don't know what firmware version I have on my DS, and I don't feel like turning it into a brick.

#60054 - natrium42 - Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:37 pm

pt3r wrote:
Does this guarantee me that I will be able to install flashme via WIFIME? I don't know what firmware version I have on my DS, and I don't feel like turning it into a brick.

Yeah, just put flashme.nds onto your flashcart. FlashMe has a lot of sanity checks, so you won't brick your DS if you follow the instructions.
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#60117 - CubeGuy - Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:03 am

I'm a bit confused. The new passMe code exploits the SRAM of the flash cart, right? If you were to have wifiMe do the same thing, what's keeping it from working?
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#60119 - natrium42 - Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:30 am

CubeGuy wrote:
I'm a bit confused. The new passMe code exploits the SRAM of the flash cart, right? If you were to have wifiMe do the same thing, what's keeping it from working?

http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=59074#59074
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#60120 - CubeGuy - Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:33 am

Wow. I think I kompletely skipped over that post. Thanks.
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#60170 - pt3r - Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:13 pm

So I bit the bullet 2night. Went out to buy one of those tiny screwdrivers sets, downloaded the latest flashme_stealth.nds prepended the ndsloader.bin to make a flashme_stealth.nds.gba that i flashed to my advance pro 256 flashcard. card in the gba slot, opened the DS peeled of the little sticker with this pincet that came with the screwdrivers (very handy). Launched wmb -data wifi , booted up the DS downloaded the wifime and launched the flashme from theflash card. X+B+X+B fidled with the pincet to short out sl1 and voila a beautifully reflashed DS is the result. Thanks to guys who put all their effort and knowledge in creating these fine pieces of software and of course this forum for providing us with endless threads of info on what and what not to do.

#60461 - CubeGuy - Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:45 pm

Alright, new theory:

Would it be possible to build flashme into the actual wifime program? That would eliminate the need to redirect code execution to a flash cart, but I'm not sure the limitations of the Mario 64 header.
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#60462 - pepsiman - Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:48 pm

CubeGuy wrote:
Alright, new theory:

PASSME2 IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET HOMEBREW ONTO A DS WITH NEW FIRMWARE.

#60465 - tepples - Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:53 pm

Yet.

WiFiMe2 or "ItsaMe" would involve reverse-engineering the SM64DS stub.
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#60529 - darkfader - Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:45 pm

And KeyMe isn't ready either :(