#74571 - swimgod - Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:56 am
i went to nintendo world (in new york ) to day and they have a download play
"manager"
(will have photos up soon)
and it checks for RSA sig. when its first starting up
but then when you launch the demos on the list
it give you a precentage and never shows the nintendo logo at the top again
so i think it only checks for rsa when its first conecting to the download play device.
so if we can capture the download play manager we can launch homebrew from a wifi card to ANY ds's
no matter the firmware version :D:D:D
btw...
i talked to the manager and he "SAID" that the ds download play machine(out of sight...) is a ds that is always on with a special cartrage
take note people...
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#74573 - m2pt5 - Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:32 am
| swimgod wrote: |
btw...
i talked to the manager and he "SAID" that the ds download play machine(out of sight...) is a ds that is always on with a special cartrage
take note people... |
A friend of my brother's works at a local Gamestop - I hope that store gets a kiosk, because I may then be able to get a look at it.
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#74575 - swimgod - Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:35 am
well thats good :P
but what i think will happen is for every other place (like gamestop, eb games, etc...)
will have a diffrent set up
and it is called "download play demo's vol.1" he said they are getting a new one after metroid prime :D
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#74667 - HyperHacker - Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:13 pm
Let me get this straight... you download this program through standard Download Play, and it provides its own downloader interface that doesn't appear to be doing an RSA check? Sounds too good to be true. If it's really made by Nintendo, then I'm sure it checks something...
#74675 - swimgod - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:08 pm
yeah thats right :D
the way i see it is that nintendo made this as a quick project (untill it comes out everywhere else) judging by the description the manager gave me :P
so this would be GREAT if we could PLEASE PLEASE
steal a capture of this!
someone please try atleast :P
so how do you guys capture them anyway?
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#74680 - Jack - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:47 pm
I've heard elsewhere that it's indeed a standard DS with all the demos stored on a cart, stored inside a lock box.
http://www.revo-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4714
Interestingly, there's an ethernet port on the box. Maybe there could be demos hosted elsewhere, downloaded via the demo-pod DS and broadcast from there.
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#74682 - juhees - Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:51 pm
With ds wifi, someone could make a fake wmb client for the DS, which pretends to be a normal DS and capture a demo to save it on a cf card,
This would be the easiest way to capture demos, because you don't need extra hardware (a notebook)...
#74687 - swimgod - Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:00 am
so where can you find such a app for the ds?
lol
also there is more then just one step to be captured...
see it first loads the download manager,
then it retrives the app list :D
then you can download the demo of choice
...
so it might need some extra hard ware to "watch" the ds's responses :P
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#74697 - tetsujin - Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:06 am
OK, this sounds cool and I too want to see it captured. However: how do you know that it doesn't do authentication of the downloaded data? The initial WMB download may contain its own code to check signatures. Or it might have something simpler like checksums of the demos known to be on the host - the point is, you don't know what it is or is not doing in terms of verifying downloaded data until we get our hands on it.
I doubt Nintendo would make such a massive blunder as to RSA-sign something so flawed, opening their lovely new DS lite units wide open. It's possible but I'm skeptical.
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#74702 - swimgod - Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:33 am
i see what you mean...
BUT STILL WORTH A TRY :DDDD
lol
i want someone to get this captured and try to hack this...
this could become the alternitive too having to buy any passme :P
all you have to do is do this and flash it :D,
or just put this on a ds game cart and make it read of cf cards lol
that would be kickass :D
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#74734 - HyperHacker - Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:19 am
Well you'd still need a compatible wireless card. So the only real use would be to act as a WifiMe substitute for new firmware.
Still, someone hurry up and grab it. If it can be exploited, they're probably on their way to fixing it right now... <_< >_>
#74738 - swimgod - Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:44 am
i have like all the tools man!
i have the right wifi card, a flashed ds
and etc...
i just need the apps to use :)
PLEASE be quick about it, if we are going to do it, we gotta do it BEFORE the 19th when they are gonna 'update' the volume.
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#74749 - Filb - Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:35 am
Why don't you ask Firefly?
#74756 - Mr Snowflake - Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:19 pm
Won't using this captured image by illegal? Because, if I'm going to use it, I have to download it to my computer (from the internet) and this software is (c) Nintendo.
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#74757 - pepsiman - Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:28 pm
| Mr Snowflake wrote: |
| Won't using this captured image by illegal? Because, if I'm going to use it, I have to download it to my computer (from the internet) and this software is (c) Nintendo. |
Yes.
WifiMe and FlashMe have the same problem.
#74767 - swimgod - Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:10 pm
well to be technical, we are NOT chaging the application in ANYWAY
we are just adding to the managers list...
which is NOT illegeal because were not changing anything...
nintendo is already releasing it to anyone that walks bye,
so how can it be illegeal to help them spread the application.
you can try to debate me on this, but to me it seems perfectly legeal
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#74771 - MaHe - Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:13 pm
Come on, somebody MUST provide him the info how to capture the demos :< ... Maybe FireFly could write a simple WMB to CF client, swimgod would send Download Manager to him, and FireFly could improve WiFiME & find a way to download the other WMB demos ... I wish I lived in the U.S.A. sometimes ... then again ... I love Europe.
#74806 - Sappharad - Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:39 pm
Your attempts to capture the demo's won't be very successful. If they use a separate loader for the rest of the data, WiFiMe will only be able to send the loader, not the data.
If you want to capture the "old way" download the AiroPeek demo from WildPackets.com, and the approriate drivers for your card. (It supports a bunch of cards)
Transfer the demo to your DS, and use Airopeek to "capture" the transmission. Do this several times, (I think 5 or more) and save the packet dumps each time. (Sometimes packets will get lost and not be seen by your laptop)
Post the packet dumps online, and wait for someone who knows what they're doing to re-assemble them into useful data. That's the only way to get them without a special capture program.
#74810 - swimgod - Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:21 pm
ill try that out a few times at home,
then if i am succesfull at getting demos the ds's send
ill try to go to nintendo world and capture the download manager :)
i wish someone that already has done this can try doing the same lol
This is the break through we need to get homebrew working with new firmware with out spending $100 lol
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#74821 - shaz - Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:22 am
FireFly has taken off interest in Nintendo DS which basically means FireFly has left the homebrew scene...
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#74831 - swimgod - Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:36 am
now that is bad...
why had he left...
just when its getting good too
(that is if he just left the scene)
this is something i really need, i wish i knew all this packet sniffing and reconstructing :(
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#74836 - Nushio - Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:36 am
| swimgod wrote: |
now that is bad...
why had he left...
just when its getting good too
(that is if he just left the scene)
this is something i really need, i wish i knew all this packet sniffing and reconstructing :( |
I'm sure that if you sniff around all the packets, someone will eventually build the files.
#74838 - tetsujin - Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:00 am
| swimgod wrote: |
| you can try to debate me on this, but to me it seems perfectly legal |
Well, sure, but would Nintendo see it your way? Not a chance. You'd at least be out court costs if they decided to do something about it. Legality isn't set in stone, a lot of it is precedents (including "fair use") which are the result of legal battles and are subject to potentially being overturned.
I think even if we captured just the download client, that would be enough to get an idea of whether the thing has the security hole we're hoping it has. (I still see no reason to assume it has such a gaping security hole - but I'm with everybody else in feeling it's worth a try.) Capturing a whole transaction would be better of course.
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#74841 - swimgod - Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:10 am
if i end up capturing it i will
lol
also if i don't do it and someone else does...
make sure you capture 2 of the same sessions downloading the same thing
then do it for 2 diffrent downloads
for comparison lol
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