#81639 - Dan2552 - Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:23 pm
Before I go buying things, i want to make sure it works with the CF GBAMP.
Anyone tried it?
#81645 - JaJa - Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:10 pm
Judging by how the device acts, it appears it should work with a GBAMP.
It doesn't require SRAM like a PassMe2, and appears to be a NoPass device, so in theory it should work.
Whether anyone has actually tested it I don't know.
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#81666 - tepples - Mon May 01, 2006 12:44 am
Somebody always has to be the first to buy something to test it. If you are this somebody, and you manage to get it working, then you can gain e-prestige as the author of a review that a lot of web pages link to.
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#81681 - Lynx - Mon May 01, 2006 4:25 am
If you can get it.. I still haven't received mine.. I'm starting to wonder if they actually started shipping yet.
#81707 - Dan2552 - Mon May 01, 2006 4:33 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Somebody always has to be the first to buy something to test it. If you are this somebody, and you manage to get it working, then you can gain e-prestige as the author of a review that a lot of web pages link to. |
But if it doesn't work, then I'm screwed unless I buy a supercard or flash card or whatever I need.
If someone who already has a different card aswell and their GBAMP, they can test the GBAMP - and if that doesnt work they can use their other card instead.
and I'm not a good reviewer
#81711 - wintermute - Mon May 01, 2006 5:18 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| If you can get it.. I still haven't received mine.. I'm starting to wonder if they actually started shipping yet. |
Last I heard they hadn't even started making it yet.
Datel have this unfortunate habit of saying things are available when they're actually in a pre-order state.
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#81724 - Dan2552 - Mon May 01, 2006 7:44 pm
| Quote: |
Price: $19.99
Availability: Immediate
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#81725 - wintermute - Mon May 01, 2006 7:45 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| Quote: | Price: $19.99
Availability: Immediate
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|
That was exactly my point.
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#81730 - Dan2552 - Mon May 01, 2006 8:09 pm
but surely they cant just falsely advertise that it can be immediate
#81734 - Lynx - Mon May 01, 2006 8:27 pm
I'm not even talking about that.. I'm talking about the fact that my order status is "Order Status: Complete & Despatched" which would indicate that it has been shipped... :(
#81748 - tepples - Mon May 01, 2006 9:12 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| But if it doesn't work, then I'm screwed unless I buy a supercard or flash card or whatever I need. |
And then you've spent $20 for an alleged NoPass and $35 for a SuperCard and some of your time writing a Max Media Launcher + SuperCard HOWTO in exchange for a boatload of PageRank for DS scene related keywords. Some SEOs wish they could get PageRank so easily.
Or, if you're into GBA homebrew too, you can try with a traditional GBA flash cart.
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#81792 - The 9th Sage - Tue May 02, 2006 4:26 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| I'm not even talking about that.. I'm talking about the fact that my order status is "Order Status: Complete & Despatched" which would indicate that it has been shipped... :( |
I'm getting impatient too (and slightly worried). First thing I will likely test with is the GBAMP though, hopefully I'll recieve it soon.
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#81891 - Dan2552 - Tue May 02, 2006 5:30 pm
:) don't forget to write a howto like Tepples said
#81936 - The 9th Sage - Tue May 02, 2006 9:40 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| :) don't forget to write a howto like Tepples said |
I'll probably just do some testing and put something on my weblog. As I have a PassMe2, I was thinking of flashing to a PassMe2 firmware and trying it with a GBAMP so that the people who have this fear that it won't work with a GBAMP can rest easy. :P
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#81937 - TJ - Tue May 02, 2006 9:40 pm
| Quote: |
| but surely they cant just falsely advertise that it can be immediate |
They have done it in the past (I.E., Max Drive Pro for GameCube).
#82060 - Diablohead - Wed May 03, 2006 7:15 pm
i'm also sure the hdd browser for 360 was one also, advertised before they even had any, and in the end refunded everyone who complained... not looked since to see if anyone did get one.
#82175 - berlinka - Thu May 04, 2006 12:34 pm
Okay sorry for my rudeness but this is bullshit!!!
I ordered mine too last week and paid and got a nice "completed & despatched" message in my order tracker. And now I'm hearing this crap!
I think they really should explain themselves. This is almost criminal. Takin people's money and saying the product has been sent. It's just so dumb. And a bad sign as for a financial HEALTHY company would not lower themselves to these kind of habits. And a habit it obviuously is as they did it already before.
I sent them emails to ask about my order and things and they just don't answer. And THIS is the official Datel Store.
It's a crying shame...
#82373 - Dan2552 - Fri May 05, 2006 8:29 pm
Support thingys always seem to ignore me but I've just submitted to hopefully get an answer
| Quote: |
The box says (from the picture on the site): 'From any GBA flash storage device'. But, does this REALLY mean any? My question is directly aimed about the GBAMP (Gameboy Advance Movie Player): http://www.movieadvance.com/index.htm
This GBAMP is NOT the 'M3', and has no SRAM.
Is it compatable? An email to atleast say "I have no idea" would be nice :) |
#82824 - Dan2552 - Wed May 10, 2006 2:43 pm
| Quote: |
Dear Sir
Further to your email the product is compatible with the GBA media player but only in DS mode, so you could load DS compatible files from a compact flash card using the device. |
#82855 - Lynx - Wed May 10, 2006 9:04 pm
Well, according to them, mine is in transit from the UK office to the USA office, and I have a tracking number for when they actually ship it to me.. I ordered on 4/16.. I'm glad I paid $10 for express shipping.. that way it *MIGHT* make it to me before a month..
That is, if they didn't ship it from UK to USA on a damn boat..
#82890 - Dan2552 - Thu May 11, 2006 1:22 am
:) i live in UK, i'll order it when i get enough money in my bank account (first i need a bank account, should get one around the end of the month)
#82923 - Lynx - Thu May 11, 2006 5:12 am
I don't think you need to rush.. I have a feeling they are lying.
#82942 - berlinka - Thu May 11, 2006 10:30 am
I received mine yesterday (10th May). I must say, apart from the bad communication I pull back my complaints about codejunkies. They answered all my questions via e-mail, although mostly days after I mailed them. And the package arrived in good condition, although almost two weeks later
#82961 - Lynx - Thu May 11, 2006 2:56 pm
TWO WEEKS! I've been waiting a month! :(
#82963 - 0xtob - Thu May 11, 2006 3:10 pm
berlinka: Since we're all eagerly waiting for (trustwrthy) details on this device, could you perhaps tell us a little about your experiences so far? Of course the most interesting question is the topic of this thread, because if it works with GBAMP, this would prove that it's a real nopass (Given you have an unflahsed DS with a v4 or higher firmware and of course a GBAMP)
#82969 - Dan2552 - Thu May 11, 2006 4:32 pm
I already said that support told me the GBAMP works, but only in DS mode.
#82970 - 0xtob - Thu May 11, 2006 4:36 pm
Dan2552: I know, but I would rather hear that from an actual person than from a support hotline. From my experience these support people don't know anything about their products and I wouldn't be surprised if they were mixing up the GBAMP with something else.
#82971 - Dan2552 - Thu May 11, 2006 4:47 pm
i specifically said the website address, and said it has no sram
anyway, i'm ordering tomorow + i'm in UK - and i only have GBAMP
so if it works, i'll be able to confirm - if not, then i can send angry emails :D and start saving for a supercard or whatever
#82975 - Al - Thu May 11, 2006 5:06 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
Before I go buying things, i want to make sure it works with the CF GBAMP.
Anyone tried it? |
I received my Max Media Launcher this week and I can confirm it works with the CF GBAMP
#82976 - Dan2552 - Thu May 11, 2006 5:08 pm
fantastic :D
does it needs chisms thingy? or does it just work? does it still have limitations to DS-ram-size files?
OoooOoo I cant wait, ordering tomoroww. ::D::D::D:D
#82977 - Al - Thu May 11, 2006 5:12 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
fantastic :D
does it needs chisms thingy? or does it just work? does it still have limitations to DS-ram-size files?
OoooOoo I cant wait, ordering tomoroww. ::D::D::D:D |
My GBAMP was already flashed with Chism's firmware and I'm assuming that it is required. AFAIK It's just the same as using the GBAMP with any other method so the same limitations apply.
#82996 - JaJa - Thu May 11, 2006 7:46 pm
Correct.
You will still need to apply Chishms GBAMP CF hack.
And it will still be limited to as it is now, RAM wise.
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#82998 - Lynx - Thu May 11, 2006 8:13 pm
In other words, there is no limitations.. If you use the FAT lib. And now size isn't a limitation either, as homebrew starts to get bigger.. :)
#83084 - derula - Fri May 12, 2006 8:07 pm
Well GBA MP already suffers from its limitations (or better from the extras of other cards), e.g. you can't load the nano-x in dslinux due to ram limitation.
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#83092 - Diablohead - Fri May 12, 2006 8:58 pm
Im glad to hear that people are now getting there orders, though later then expexted. so it realy is as easy to use as reviews say?
I need to place an order on my own next week.
#83429 - Dan2552 - Tue May 16, 2006 9:38 am
ordered it Friday, Came Tuesday :) (UK)
#83548 - Lynx - Tue May 16, 2006 10:05 pm
Still waiting on mine.. but, the tracking number says I should get it any day now.. :(
#83556 - Diablohead - Tue May 16, 2006 10:55 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| ordered it Friday, Came Tuesday :) (UK) |
Awesome, I should get about the same as im in the uk then, time to order soon!
#83582 - The 9th Sage - Wed May 17, 2006 3:50 am
| Dan2552 wrote: |
does it needs chisms thingy? |
Yeah, you need to hack the firmware of it for it to HAVE an 'NDS mode'.
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#83583 - Lynx - Wed May 17, 2006 4:05 am
Got it.. and.. what is taking the GBA MP manufacturer so long to release an official NDS compatible firmware?? You'd think that would be a top priority!
#83585 - tepples - Wed May 17, 2006 4:09 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| Got it.. and.. what is taking the GBA MP manufacturer so long to release an official NDS compatible firmware?? |
The GBAMP manufacturer sells the M3 (GBA Movie Player v3), which has a Nintendo DS compatible firmware preinstalled. It's all about the benjamins.
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#83627 - Lynx - Wed May 17, 2006 2:16 pm
Are you sure about that? Because when I was dealing directly with GBA MP manufacturer (to sell on dspassme.com) I asked them about the M3 and if I remember correct, they indicated that the M3 was not their product or I didn't get a response (can't remember for sure).
#83639 - Sektor - Wed May 17, 2006 4:20 pm
They claim that are but there's so many clones of products that you can't really be sure. Considering most of the changes they have made would be very difficult without the source code, I would say at least someone from the original team now makes M3.
http://www.m3adapter.com/faq.htm
| Quote: |
Are you official GBA Movie Player?
Yes, we are official GBA Movie Player. |
http://www.m3adapter.com/main.htm
"Therefore, we need clarify the fact that our product is M3 adapter (GBA Movie Player 3rd generation )"
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#83649 - The 9th Sage - Wed May 17, 2006 5:59 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| Got it.. and.. what is taking the GBA MP manufacturer so long to release an official NDS compatible firmware?? You'd think that would be a top priority! |
Yeah, I finally got mine today...sadly I have been unable to dump the thing. :P It must be doing something weird as it seems to boot up the NDS content from GBA directly, rather than making you 'click' on the icon for it or whatever in the DS's menu (and loading it from FWNITRO, which it does not autoboot from, does nothing interestingly).
I tried like a few different things to try and dump it...I'll have to see if I can figure out why FWNITRO's dumper no longer works for me, I have a feeling that's my best bet as it was at least able to tell me it's internal name was 'MEDIALAUNCH'...not that I didn't realize this, but it's more than the other software I tried could do.
*edit*
Ok, went back to an earlier version of FWNITRO where that function works for me.
Here's the info if anyone is curious (if this is against forum rules, please just delete it, though I'm hoping there's no problem as it's just information).
Gametitle=MEDIALAUNCH
Gamecode=ASMA
Makercode=01 (which is Nintendo >_>)
Logo and Header CRCs are ok, but the banner is not...has no icon it seems, doesn't list any banner text either.
The best and most strange part is that the secure area (in NDStool) is listed as Invalid, Encrypted...which probably shouldn't be. I assumed it was decrypted and was trying to re-encrypt it using NDStool, and it said it was unable to decrypt it...sure enough, it says the secure area is encrypted. O_o
It's also like 128 mbits yet it has no filesystem that I can see. I think someone would have to check it with a hex editor to find out what's going on. Maybe it's using part of the secure area or some other portion of the header to store code or something. So far it's not what I was thinking it was.
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#83720 - HyperHacker - Thu May 18, 2006 1:33 am
Could be a bad dump. I know people mentioned there being problems with FWNITRO's card dumping.
Also, the NDS header supports an auto-start bit, which will bypass the firmware menu and automatically launch the game even if you use Manual mode or hold Start. I assume it's meant for store demos.
#83742 - The 9th Sage - Thu May 18, 2006 3:51 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
Could be a bad dump. I know people mentioned there being problems with FWNITRO's card dumping.
Also, the NDS header supports an auto-start bit, which will bypass the firmware menu and automatically launch the game even if you use Manual mode or hold Start. I assume it's meant for store demos. |
I do wonder if it's a bad dump now, as I had problems with another gamecard today with FWNITRO...it used to work fine though, so I'm not sure why this is going on (actually, I noticed something odd that might help figure out what is happening...it stopped working again, but I noticed that it started working again after I loaded some homebrew or something with my M3, cycled power, then tried to dump it again...although, the dump was invalid so something weird is going on here...maybe an issue with M3). I couldn't dump it with anything else though...one dumper complained about it not finding the secure area, then the other refused to dump it completely. It's strange.
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#83800 - Lynx - Thu May 18, 2006 5:06 pm
First, is talking about dumping this against the forum rules? I mean.. even though this isn't a commercial game, it is a commercial device.
With that said, I am not sure if it even has a secure area, as another tool (prior to dumping) indicates that it couldn't find a secure area. But, we also have to keep in mind that I'm sure this device wasn't created using a Nintendo Liscense, so I'd guess it isn't following the "standard" rules for commercial games that current dumpers have been designed around. I think it might need to be looked at like "Let's hack a device created by hackers".. So, no current/known rules apply.
Anyway, since I haven't had time to do a full review yet, I did post a few pictures on ndshb.com.
#83871 - ssj4android - Fri May 19, 2006 4:07 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
Could be a bad dump. I know people mentioned there being problems with FWNITRO's card dumping.
Also, the NDS header supports an auto-start bit, which will bypass the firmware menu and automatically launch the game even if you use Manual mode or hold Start. I assume it's meant for store demos. |
All the store demos I've tried have been bypassable by holding start. (I've used those to play single card multiplayer with.) You're sure holding start doesn't bypass it?
#83872 - caitsith2 - Fri May 19, 2006 4:30 am
If the autostart flag in the game card is set, then it can not be bypassed by holding start. Most likely, the demo ds games used in store do not have the auto start flag set, but rather, the DS has its autostart flag set instead. THe DS autostart flag is bypassable, the DS game card autostart flag is not.
#83874 - The 9th Sage - Fri May 19, 2006 5:07 am
| caitsith2 wrote: |
| If the autostart flag in the game card is set, then it can not be bypassed by holding start. Most likely, the demo ds games used in store do not have the auto start flag set, but rather, the DS has its autostart flag set instead. THe DS autostart flag is bypassable, the DS game card autostart flag is not. |
Ah..that works with FlashMe as well, right? That's not bypassing the Media Launcher...and yeah, I'll stop talking about dumping the card. Maybe you're right Lynx.
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#84026 - HyperHacker - Sat May 20, 2006 6:03 am
Yeah, it works with FlashMe. Most stores don't actually use special demo carts, they just throw in a retail game and put the DS in Autostart mode. I don't think many people even know about holding Start.
#84078 - Dan2552 - Sat May 20, 2006 12:59 pm
I just got the official firmware for my GBAMP off movieadvance
updated the GBAMP again
rebooted into the MML
and it still works.
does Chism's hack stay on even though I've updated back to the official or does this mean the flash card doesn't actually need a DS mode for the MML?
#84109 - tepples - Sat May 20, 2006 4:34 pm
In GBAMP v2, a "repair" restores only the boot sectors (where Chishm's NDSMP lives), and an "update" restores only the rest of the firmware (where the GBA-mode movie playing software lives).
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#84111 - Dan2552 - Sat May 20, 2006 4:40 pm
yeah I just discovered that :(
#84451 - Lynx - Mon May 22, 2006 5:33 pm
Finally! I did my MML Review for ndshb.com.
#84453 - Dan2552 - Mon May 22, 2006 5:59 pm
I guess my DS has a wider NDS slot? Mine fits and makes all the same 'click' noises as any other DS game
#84482 - Thomas - Mon May 22, 2006 9:27 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| Finally! I did my MML Review for ndshb.com. |
Hmm...
This image looks interesting.
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The actual rom of the NoPass seems to be a regular 4 Mbit flash memory chip (39VF040, datasheet here). I assume the rest of the interfacing stuff is done by the ASIC. So, what this basically means, is that it would be possible to reprogram the flash chip with some homebrew program and have yourself a real DS flashcart. Does anyone have the proper equipment to try this? It would involve desoldering the flash chip, reprogramming it with a seperate programmer and resoldering it. Or installing a chip socket to make things a bit easier.
#84492 - HyperHacker - Mon May 22, 2006 10:18 pm
You might even be able to reprogram it via software right on the DS. Datel uses SST flash chips in pretty much all of their products and most of them are flashable in software. You just poke some bytes to specific addresses and start writing. It'd be interesting to try if you had FWNITRO or similar (FlashMe might not work because of the autostart bit), you'd want to dump it first in case it didn't work out, so that you haven't ruined the card. It might require special bootup code to initialize the ASIC and such though.
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#84581 - Lynx - Tue May 23, 2006 2:36 pm
Interesting...
#84583 - zzo38computer - Tue May 23, 2006 2:59 pm
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| You might even be able to reprogram it via software right on the DS. Datel uses SST flash chips in pretty much all of their products and most of them are flashable in software. You just poke some bytes to specific addresses and start writing. It'd be interesting to try if you had FWNITRO or similar (FlashMe might not work because of the autostart bit), you'd want to dump it first in case it didn't work out, so that you haven't ruined the card. It might require special bootup code to initialize the ASIC and such though. |
I wonder if anyone finds out how to do that... It would be very good to do that. There are a few things you can do with this:
- Disable AutoStart bit to make it to not AutoStart.
- Modify it to not display the logo before it starts, or modify other things with it as well.
- Give a copy of a game to someone in case they don't have a adapter for CF card, then you may be able to still work on your own stuff while they are borrowing it, or to test multi-player games.
- Fix it to download software from HTTP or FTP.
- Replace it with a game you made, then you could remove the sticker, replace with your own, and sell that game. (but it might be a bit expensive, I wonder if Datel will give a discount if you buy many at a time)
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#84586 - derula - Tue May 23, 2006 3:08 pm
What about:
- Writing FWNITRO to the launcher instead overwriting your DS Firmware
? Or if not FWNITRO, some other nice bootloader especially created for the launcher? You could leave the autostart flag then, and install a Flashme that only protects the firmware and does nothing else, so to speak a completely invisible ProtectMe that doesn't launch anything. Is that possible?
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#84596 - Dan2552 - Tue May 23, 2006 4:32 pm
I wouldn't mind a ProtectMe :)
#84618 - Lynx - Tue May 23, 2006 7:09 pm
All the tech info I have found so far:
MML Tech Info
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