#87295 - Vic-Viper - Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:56 am
After flashing my DS Lite with V7, I noticed a reduction in audio volume. To test my theory, I took a Flashed and unflashed DS lite and booted Mario Kart at the same time. I confirmed that both had the same audio settings and set to max output. I then proceeded to blind test it between 3 people and confirmed each time that the flashed DS was noticably quieter. I turned down the unflashed DS until they matched and the results came to about 60%. Once the unflashed one was down to 60% output, nobody could tell the difference between either DS.
To confirm that V7 was in fact the problem, I then proceeded to flash the unflashed DS lite. After the flash, the audio was reduced and both flashed DSs had the same output level.
So if you use Flashme, expect your DS to be quiet until this is fixed.
#87298 - compacho - Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:19 am
Lol just great. The volume for the DS lite is lower than the original and now its gonna be quieter. D'oh.
#87300 - The_DDub - Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:39 am
Hmm, my volume is still nice and loud. I have to have it halfway max otherwise it's too loud for me.
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#87312 - bessiebenny - Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:57 am
hmm. yeah. me too. it is loud enough already for me. =)
But if it is a bug, hope it's fixed soon. hehe
#87445 - Vic-Viper - Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:45 pm
Now, when I did the test, it was from retail games in the NDS slot, not the GBA port. Not sure if that would make a diff, but I thought I would point that out.
#87527 - CubeGuy - Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:46 am
Agreed. Moonshell plays fine, but retail games are really quiet.
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#87804 - HyperHacker - Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:20 pm
I just compared my Mario Kart DS in my DS with FlashMe7 and my brother's unflashed, both at max volume, originally V1, same DS card, and they sound the same. I do have trouble hearing the music in Mario Kart, but I think that's the game's fault. His sounds louder at the menu but they're the same once the game starts.
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#87849 - rezen - Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:54 pm
When I am playing my retail NSMB... sometimes when i come out of sleep the audio is messed up... kinda like a hall effect...
Has this problem been noted of??
#87859 - teknicz - Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:56 pm
Mine sounds great, just as loud as before.
I don't think the DS Lite is quieter than the original, I just think it's more sensitive. I can still hear things on my DS Lite even when the volume is near the low end, whereas on my old DS, I couldn't hear anything lower than halfway on the volume control, and anything above that was a lot louder.
But like some of the other guys said, it gets to be too loud anyways at full volume, and I use earphones already.
#87879 - The 9th Sage - Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:42 am
| rezen wrote: |
When I am playing my retail NSMB... sometimes when i come out of sleep the audio is messed up... kinda like a hall effect...
Has this problem been noted of?? |
I think that's just a bug...happens on Super Mario 64 occasionally for me (that's flashed or unflashed DS).
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#87963 - HyperHacker - Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:15 pm
Yeah, Mario 64 did that before I flashed too (and still does after flashing). Probably a bug in their sound library.
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#88309 - CubeGuy - Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:45 pm
Just tested NSMB on mine (Flashme 7) and my brother's (unflashed) Lites.
My volume is definately softer than his. I think this may be a real bug.
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#88312 - JaJa - Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:05 pm
I think the problem is with differing sound hardware revisions.
This is why you can't compare between DSs (unless they are the same age and so hardware revision.
Also what version firmware are people upgrading to/from.
Can some perform a proper test, using the same DS, with the regular firmware and then FlashMe.
None of this buy ear nonsense either. Use a decibelmeter or hook the DS upto a PC record the file to WAV and compare the wave forms. If there is a difference in volume I would expect one sound to have higher peaks (amplitude).
Try and get someone who doesn't know of the problem, as this may affect your call.
I myself don't think there is a difference, but I haven't tested it at all.
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#88313 - Ilomoga - Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:06 pm
But AFAIK the firmware isn't active when a game is started, so this wouldn't be possible.
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#88319 - HyperHacker - Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:27 pm
No, but the game could just assume that the firmware will leave the sound system set up a certain way, and so not bother to set it up itself. Since normally it'd only be loaded from Nintendo's firmware, that should be a fairly safe assumption.
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#88354 - Vic-Viper - Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:59 pm
I think some of you are missing the point, its NOT about comparing DS Brick to DS Lite. This is comparing DS Lite to DS Lite flashed. Once flashed, the retail games are noticably quieter. My unflashed Lite was 40% louder than the flashed one. Then I flashed it and it got quiet like my other flash DS Lite. I think the firmware flash maybe setting the levels to a different revision (maybe DS Brick?). The only way you can test this is between 2 DS Lites, flashed and unflashed.
#88413 - Dan2552 - Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:39 am
so is the original DS affected by this or not!?
#88415 - MaHe - Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:02 am
No, it isn't. DS Lite is out on Friday in Europe, so I've gotta get myself MML for now, I guess :S
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#89240 - derula - Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:30 pm
One question... can we already say where the bug lies? Is it possible that with a Flashme v8 the bug will be fixed, and that you won't have to short SL1 again for that v8?
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#89254 - IxthusTiger - Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:06 pm
I also think its hardware revisions. I played my DS lite before I flashed it and it was clearly quieter than the brick. After I flashed it, it was just as quiet.
EDIT: I did notice a problem with the microphone, but I don't know if this is FlashMe related.
#89412 - MB - Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 pm
I've been thinking about it, and it may be just a silly thought, but isn't teh problem maybe teh fact that a volume slider is at max at flashing time and flashme assumes a halfway position, thus setting volume too low. And u loose higher volume settings?
#89523 - HyperHacker - Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:53 am
I don't think software can detect the volume slider position.
BTW, I do recall hearing that if you put old firmware on the Lite (or the other way around?) trying to adjust the brightness would make the speakers pop a bit. Could be a bug in the brightness code?
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#89537 - MB - Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:12 pm
Didn't say detect, but assume a certain position.
#92039 - rezen - Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:30 am
| The 9th Sage wrote: |
| rezen wrote: | When I am playing my retail NSMB... sometimes when i come out of sleep the audio is messed up... kinda like a hall effect...
Has this problem been noted of?? |
I think that's just a bug...happens on Super Mario 64 occasionally for me (that's flashed or unflashed DS). |
This only started happening since I upgraded from v6 to v7 though so it had me worried that this was due to the flashme v7 code.