#99456 - darkfader - Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:21 pm
How do feel about the move?
Note that this doesn't question opinions on the 'splitness' of any community.
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#99460 - juhees - Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:00 pm
| darkfader wrote: |
How do feel about the move?
Note that this doesn't question opinions on the 'splitness' of any community. |
I pressed "other":
I don't know you guys personaly, i just read a lot about "split", "drama", "facts" and so on...
And i don't think most of the people in #dsdev or (passive) readers in this forum understand whats going on. At least, I don't.
I read a few of the off topic stuff (forgiveness, who hates/destroyes the scene) and was there when some people flamed #dsdev with anti-SC banners, but i still don't get it.
I will shortly sum up, what i know. I do this only to tell you, what i think about the whole stuff (and perhaps becouse you can see then, why my conlusio is wrong, because i missed some part of the storry ;-)
This is not a bid to explain it to me, because i know, this will end up in a new flamewar without any new information for me :-(
So, in the beginning, DF has done some heplfull stuff for the community (i see his name on my console whenever i compile a nds, he has done some kind of flashingtool for the gbamp firmware).
Then came the bricker. It was wrong to do it, it was wrong to release it, but he was sorry.
A few weeks later i remember asking in IRC, why he was still banned (ok, it was wrong, but he said hes sorry and it was a while ago). I got something with piracy back.
As an alternative there was #mellowdsdev
A few weeks ago i heared, there was a new home for #dsdev on a new server, without the bans. A new start. Sounded great (because i still didn't understand the perma-ban).
So i joined that channel.
One day i couldn't. I needed a registration and a password. Plus DF was again banned. I once tried (just for fun) to join #mellowdsdev on blizzed - and got instandly banned. Whooho my first ban and i didn't do anything!
And now all i read is "foo is destroing the scene", "bar has done nothing for the scene".
When #dsdev on blizzed was a try to start over without the silly (sorry, but i still don't know the "facts") bans, flamewars and the whole acting-like-10-year-olds, it failed.
I know what some people will say now: "Oh, DF had 5,6 new chances and he allways..." I just know of the bricker and the "SC must leave" banners in IRC back then (but i don't know if these were from DF like everyone said iirc). This is one (or perhaps(!)) two reasons for a temporary (imho) ban, not 5.
This is just to tell you, how little is known by (most? some? at least me) of the people. For us it's like watching 6 year olds in the sand who argue about who has the right to have the shovel...
#99464 - DynamicStability - Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:53 pm
It was a great thing until the drama came back.
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#99481 - tepples - Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:40 am
So if efnet#dsdev, efnet#mellowdsdev, blitzed#dsdev, and blitzed#mellowdsdev all are claimed to have an excess of internets drama, where's the best place to get quick DS development help?
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#99483 - darkfader - Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:47 am
I'd go to #mellowdsdev (lol) since the others locked me out ;)
But you're right, for asking a question a channel with the most ppl has more chance on success. That's why we all strive to gain the biggest channel (or channelgroups).
But drama isn't up 24/7. Some ppl need to sleep too.
#99532 - JaJa - Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:26 am
TBH efnet#dsdev is kinda moot now, as all the active people have moved over. The rest are straddlers and idlers.
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#99535 - wintermute - Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:33 am
| tepples wrote: |
| So if efnet#dsdev, efnet#mellowdsdev, blitzed#dsdev, and blitzed#mellowdsdev all are claimed to have an excess of internets drama, where's the best place to get quick DS development help? |
Like everywhere on the internet, if you go looking for drama you'll find people that are only too happy to oblige. The new blitzed channels have some fine people with a good all round knowlege of the DS and the toolchain.
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#99549 - headspin - Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:59 am
I wouldn't want to go to either while StoneCyph is still around. The poll I started does not have votes from "generated accounts". He is a lier. Second I frequent #winprog and was already chatting when he tried to provoke me so he could get me banned for trolling. He likes to use the opposite of the truth in his lies to give them more ground.
He makes the move to wherever a pointless excercise IMHO. I'll stick with #mellow thankyou.
And StoneCyph saying he didn't give me the perm ban is a lie. Just because BRP did the honours dosn't mean it wasn't on Stone's behalf. Again he tries to avoid the obvious truth when it stares him in the face.
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#99556 - sgeos - Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:30 am
Other: Please keep IRC talk on IRC.
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#99584 - darkfader - Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:46 pm
Oh yeah... I'm banned from #winprog too. (Banned: Just can't abide virus writers.)
Although technically a trojan ain't a virus. And StoneCypher once said I had written a virus for (almost) any platform I've developed on/for.
#99598 - Mrshlee - Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:52 pm
I've moved.
The active developers and community friendly types have made the move.. and its the whole "darkfader" situation that has started the bullshit again.
Get over your issue with stone and get your your issues with darkfader.
Join the new channel at blitzed and join the community.
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#99656 - darkfader - Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:39 pm
| Quote: |
| Join the new channel at blitzed and join the community. |
Ok, I will !
[edit]That were some great 44 minutes. Then SC kickbanned me once again.
And we also had a short chat. Yes! He had some time left for me even though he had lots of work to do.
He came up with some url in the kickmessage that didn't suit the situation at all.
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#99669 - DynamicStability - Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:07 am
You need to learn how to ignore him.
Oh and that URL, that's being baited.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing
yet....when you read it, it quite matches the situation...
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Sometimes people will attack you personally, flame without an apparent reason, etc., even if you don't screw up (or have only screwed up in their imagination). In this case, complaining is the way to really screw up.
These flamers are either lamers who don't have a clue but believe themselves to be experts, or would-be psychologists testing whether you'll screw up. The other readers either ignore them, or find ways to deal with them on their own. The flamers' behavior creates problems for themselves, which don't have to concern you.
Don't let yourself be drawn into a flamewar, either. Most flames are best ignored ? after you've checked whether they are really flames, not pointers to the ways in which you have screwed up, and not cleverly ciphered answers to your real question (this happens as well).
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#99673 - darkfader - Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:45 am
SC might be a big flamer but also a mighty op giving him an advantage, so it's hard to ignore him if I want to make my way back to #dsdev (and now the rest too dammit).
All the good ops seems to ignore me now under SC's influence and SC isn't helpful talking to anyway.
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#99676 - DynamicStability - Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:56 am
Until the channel gets the Democrabot, there will be no choice but to ignore him.
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#99683 - keldon - Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:19 am
| Quote: |
| So if efnet#dsdev, efnet#mellowdsdev, blitzed#dsdev, and blitzed#mellowdsdev all are claimed to have an excess of internets drama, where's the best place to get quick DS development help? |
Here ^_^
| Quote: |
That were some great 44 minutes. Then SC kickbanned me once again.
And we also had a short chat |
Why were you talking to him? Did this talk involve previous bans or an argument? If so then it is what is expected, although a kick would have been more appropriate (if he applied a perm ban).
#99694 - Mrshlee - Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:31 am
Deleted due to stupidity.
There is a single problem that continues to be fed this flood of bullshit.
This community has a problem which has lost too many intelligent people to this community due to a select groups inability to communicate without aggressively forcing their own egocentric optionated opinions.
We need to find a solution : Play nice and work together.. we cannot continue to live with these facets.
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#99732 - StoneCypher - Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:46 pm
Another page of DarkFader's drama, the same four people saying "omg yeah," and then him pointing the finger elsewhere.
You want the drama to stop? Quit posting these fake polls.
Simon: quit saying "please stop." He won't. Either accept that he's going to do this every few days, or stop him. Simple as that. When he was told not to cause drama on IRC, he didn't stop. This place won't be any different.
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#99743 - Lynx - Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:41 pm
Or.. how about we find out what "side" the forum moderators are on, so that the people that keep starting all these treads can stop wasting time when they realize why all the posts are being deleted?? Or do we already know? An while were at it, why don't we define the sides? Who's on what side? Because according to SC, the "Dark Side" is made up of Me, Dynastab, and DarkFader..
Eh.. before I waste any more time trying to provide or request facts.. Ya'know, that thing NOBODY seems to want to talk about, becuase it's so much more fun to yell "drama" and point fingers. I'm not going to ask to have the sides defined.. or who is the "captian" of each "side" and if that person was picked to be "captain" or if they appointed themself, etc.
Edit: I guess the real question is within.. What side do you (being the person reading this post.. if it hasn't been deleted yet) feel you are on.. Now, think about that.. Why did you choose that side? Why did you not choose the other side.. What interactions have you had with either side? Was it with a specific person or a group of people that you put into the "other side" that you made your choice? Why do you feel the way you do, and why do you even care about either side? What are you missing by not "talking" with the other side? What are you gaining by being aport of "this side"?
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#99756 - Optihut - Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:51 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| Or.. how about we find out what "side" the forum moderators are on, so that the people that keep starting all these treads can stop wasting time when they realize why all the posts are being deleted?? Or do we already know? |
Sure we know - the mods here are on the side of the forum posters... Since some forum poster - I am volunteering myself as an example here - don't really care who hurt whose feelings on IRC, it would be best not to clutter up the board with that drama. The bottom line is that locking threads that are essentially spam doesn't make the mods here biased, it makes them good moderators.
| Lynx wrote: |
An while were at it, why don't we define the sides? Who's on what side? Because according to SC, the "Dark Side" is made up of Me, Dynastab, and DarkFader..
Eh.. before I waste any more time trying to provide or request facts.. Ya'know, that thing NOBODY seems to want to talk about, becuase it's so much more fun to yell "drama" and point fingers. I'm not going to ask to have the sides defined.. or who is the "captian" of each "side" and if that person was picked to be "captain" or if they appointed themself, etc. |
Huh? First you want to define sides, then you don't want to define them. What the heck? Also, a lot of newcomers outside of this little feud have asked what has been going on to which headspin more or less replied "Well, if you don't know, then I am not going to tell you... But trust me, it's bad... boohoohoo."
| Lynx wrote: |
| Edit: I guess the real question is within.. What side do you (being the person reading this post.. if it hasn't been deleted yet) feel you are on.. Now, think about that.. Why did you choose that side? Why did you not choose the other side.. What interactions have you had with either side? Was it with a specific person or a group of people that you put into the "other side" that you made your choice? Why do you feel the way you do, and why do you even care about either side? What are you missing by not "talking" with the other side? What are you gaining by being aport of "this side"? |
I am on my own side and think the whole lot of you is being overly dramatic over some petty issue. Just let it go.
#99761 - keldon - Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:33 pm
| Optihut wrote: |
| I am on my own side and think the whole lot of you is being overly dramatic over some petty issue. Just let it go. |
And that has to be the most correct observation ever! It is down to both of them.
#99768 - darkfader - Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:06 pm
| Quote: |
| it would be best not to clutter up the board with that drama. |
It doesn't get cluttered if we keep it in OffTopic.
| Quote: |
| The bottom line is that locking threads that are essentially spam doesn't make the mods here biased, it makes them good moderators. |
Moderators that are also IRC-ops are totally biased.
Tepples is on the neutral side and he's probably not going to delete complete threads like Wintermute does.
And spam is the wrong word for it.
#99785 - keldon - Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:50 pm
But what is the good of these threads if when you went to blitzed you went against the advice and argued with the guy you knew would perm ban you if you spoke about what you spoke about?
It would have been best to go there and act like nothing had ever happened. And if you agree to that here, maybe that is your ONLY chance of being unbanned, but if you go discuss it again then you are discussing it with the knowledge that that discussion will ban you.
I wouldn't say to forget it, I would say to get unbanned, and then forget about it.
#99789 - darkfader - Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:28 am
| Quote: |
| It would have been best to go there and act like nothing had ever happened. |
I did. 3 weeks.
Then someone mentioned the bricker again and SC began his ranting.
He could've asked me to remove that text from my site... but he needed his op-friends for that.
Then following a temporary kickban and I admit I went too quickly into a wrong strategy after that but I didn't think that'd get me a global ban on the bots.
Heck, I've had a global ban on the bot before (EFnet) for no reason at all. After some talking that went from global to just #dsdev again.
They somehow see me as a threat, yet claim that nobody takes me seriously anyway.
Right now, I'd be happy with just an unban from the other channels. That way it wouldn't feel like a tyranny as the situation now appears.
If they comply, I'll withdraw from this server move matter. The results from this poll are pretty clear already anyways.
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| And if you agree to that here, maybe that is your ONLY chance of being unbanned, but if you go discuss it again then you are discussing it with the knowledge that that discussion will ban you. |
If you think a discussion will ban anyone, why don't you stop too?
#99799 - darkfader - Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:46 am
Ok, move along folks. Someone is finally listening.
Sorry for the trouble.
#99838 - Lynx - Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:52 am
Not to steal your "thunder" DF, but this whole thing isn't just about you! My point about the "sides" is that they ARE NOT clear! I'm not on "DarkFader's" side.. I'm on my side as I think most people here would agree they are on their "own" side.. By all means I am not on HeadSpin/HeadKaze's side, as I have lost all respect for him. But, I treat him the same as I treat everyone else on IRC.
And to say "what is going on" and expect an direct answer is really a joke. Both sides (as they seem to be grouped) can't seem to possibly explain anything without rumor or opinion. I personally can only tell you my point of view. So to get an aswer that sums up the whole problem just can't be giving by one person. And if someone tells you they can sum it up themselves, they either A) don't know the problems or B) are lying.
As for "spam" and cluttering up the forums.. Well, There are a LOT of posts on this forum that I don't read.. These posts only use up ONE whole line per post and are easily passed over. If you don't care, don't click on it.. it's that easy.
The problem with saying "leave IRC on IRC" is that everything turns into a Flamewar on IRC and nothing can/will change. Obviously the forums can't/won't help either, but it didn't hurt to try.
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#99873 - headspin - Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:44 pm
| Quote: |
Ok, move along folks. Someone is finally listening.
Sorry for the trouble. |
Got your ban lifted eh? It will be interesting to see how long it will last.
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| By all means I am not on HeadSpin/HeadKaze's side, as I have lost all respect for him |
Why do you say that Lynx? I thought the "conspiracy theory" was a proven sham, or do you still believe it's true? All I wanted was the truth, if that broke your trust then I'm sorry about that.
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#99877 - darkfader - Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:29 pm
| headspin wrote: |
| Got your ban lifted eh? It will be interesting to see how long it will last. |
Well... they are working on it (except #dsdev, but that's ok with me). They just don't have a clue how to configure the bot properly.
| headspin wrote: |
| Why do you say that Lynx? I thought the "conspiracy theory" was a proven sham, or do you still believe it's true? All I wanted was the truth, if that broke your trust then I'm sorry about that. |
Actually, I think you took it too far. But who am I to say :)
#99944 - keldon - Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:26 pm
Well on that note we can conclude that the forums worked as an outlet to resolve this situation, which is good. Now I hope that eventually you will all get along.
Honestly just move on, forget the past and otherwise you will get perm banned. If someone speaks of the bricker, come up and say, "it was me, I was wrong I am sorry". If SC says a snide comment, don't act on it immediately, he may retract and apologize if you give him space to - just remember his mod status. Not that I am putting everything on you, but remember who has the power in the channel, so you would be foolish to not consider biting your tongue on the odd occasion in your probabationary period - because that is what this is in a sense.
IMO the adult way is to admit you are wrong when you are right, it makes you the bigger 'man'. And eventually you will be known and remembered for your good work and not your bad, or any drama associated.
#100391 - Lynx - Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:43 pm
| headspin wrote: |
| Why do you say that Lynx? I thought the "conspiracy theory" was a proven sham, or do you still believe it's true? All I wanted was the truth, if that broke your trust then I'm sorry about that. |
Actually, I think you took it too far. But who am I to say :)[/quote]
Depends on what "conspiracy theory" you are talking about.. Not that I really care anyway. I wasn't there, so I don't know what you were told, what theory you were trying to find the truth about, I just came in when you were trying to start cracp on #dsdev. Now, there were FACTS involved with a theory. Your stupidity just made the facts harder to follow and didn't help anything. If you would have been trustworthy, waited a few days, you would have been able to read the REAL story, not just rumor you heard on IRC. Not only have you lost my trust, but my respect as well. Respectful people don't act like that.. Even in make believe "internet land".
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#102087 - darkfader - Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:51 pm
| headspin wrote: |
| Got your ban lifted eh? It will be interesting to see how long it will last. |
Something like 17 days :(
#102098 - keldon - Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:49 pm
Permanent? Why? What for?
#102101 - darkfader - Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:26 pm
| keldon wrote: |
| Permanent? Why? What for? |
One op either didn't know the other op lifted the bans (except #dsdev of course) or he wants the drama back.
#102113 - keldon - Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:36 pm
And did you retaliate/swear/protest?
EDIT: Not that I'm being patronizing, but if not then who knows; you might be able to go back in once the other mods bring him up to date.
#102115 - darkfader - Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:44 pm
| keldon wrote: |
| And did you retaliate/swear/protest? |
Not really. I said I would wait/talk for/to the op that lifted the bans.
And I looked a bit around to see the extent of the bans. (ok, I didn't have to do that really)
Oh... and I bumped this thread.
#102126 - keldon - Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:46 am
Well [which ever mod] lifted your ban is probably going to stumble across here and may lift it again. Or he'll hear about 'darkfader making a return' before correcting them on the situation. I am assuming that no arguments were made and that your proposed wait was not agressive enough to anger a mod.
But back to the poll. Why move it, can't you have a fresh start on the same server?
#102159 - darkfader - Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:20 am
I failed to see the fresh start was never intended for me.
I failed to remember all the mistakes I made.
I failed to see that they wanted to ban from all their communities in the first place. (the communities are too interconnected)
Oh well... I'll just see what some more time will do to the situation.
I don't take 'never' for an anwer though.
#102193 - DekuTree64 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:32 pm
If it makes you feel any better, I've been banned from #mellowdsdev on blitzed, and I've never even been in that room before, or caused any trouble in the EFNet version.
And then sometime recently, #dsdev started telling me that I "must identify to a registered nick to join that channel", which I'm not really sure how to do. So I can't get to either one now :-/
Not that I was ever a big fan of IRC anyway.
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#102199 - Sausage Boy - Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:02 pm
http://wiki.blitzed.org/New_users
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#102211 - Lick - Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:03 pm
NickServ Registration, yuck! I can never get used to it really.. They should make it an option to check your IP for login, I mean, it's just bloody fingers to type the same message each time you connect.
And no, I don't idle. My partner needs to rest too, y'now.. ;)
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#102220 - kevinc - Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:17 pm
| DekuTree64 wrote: |
| If it makes you feel any better, I've been banned from #mellowdsdev on blitzed, and I've never even been in that room before, or caused any trouble in the EFNet version. |
Me too. Strange, considering I never said a word the two times I've been there.
/not that I really care
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#102222 - Sausage Boy - Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:58 pm
Hint: If you have a decent irc client, such as X-Chat, you can set it up to run the identification command automatically. Nice, huh?
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#102332 - josath - Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:35 am
| Lick wrote: |
I mean, it's just bloody fingers to type the same message each time you connect.
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What about the server name? And setting your nick? And the channel name? Do you type those every time you connect as well?
#102354 - Lick - Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:59 am
Those are handled by the irc client (chatzilla). Apparently, this basic client doesn't support nickserv identification. I should really get a stand-alone client then.
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#102391 - Sausage Boy - Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:50 pm
Seems like even chatzilla supports this, in case you don't feel like changing your client.
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#102398 - Lick - Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:05 pm
Thanks a lot! Will try it in the future!
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#102540 - keldon - Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:14 am
Woah, that really is not encouraging to newbies, especially if you are booted before having this explained to you in lamens terms.
#102598 - Sausage Boy - Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:17 pm
Perhaps IRC for Dummies is easier to cope with?
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