#101464 - HtheB - Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:55 pm
#101466 - tepples - Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:59 pm
Give it to us as a .dpg (MoonShell video format) and maybe we'll watch it.
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#101468 - HtheB - Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:12 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Give it to us as a .dpg (MoonShell video format) and maybe we'll watch it. |
yes.. I could.. I have it in mpeg..
but only english (no subtitles :) )
*will convert now*
EDIT: couldn't convert.. will do it tomorrow :(
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#101473 - JaJa - Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:25 pm
Loose change is thought provoking film.
There certainly are elements of the attack that can't be explained, or the governments ignore entirely.
Most people won't question what happened and this is what the ruling power wants.
Notice how it's always refered to as 9/11? No mention of the year?
I think it's so that people don't notice how long the 'war' has been going on.
A recent survey found a third of the American public didn't remember the year of the attacks [Source].
Some sites are claiming a third of Americans suspect a conspiracy theory. I myself believe it was an attack carried out by the US government.
I feel the attack was a way to justify the war with Iraq and anyone else they choose, 7/7 was a follow-up because the majority of the British public didn't want a war and were losing the want to fight.
9/11 Conspiracy sites:
http://www.letsroll911.org/ <-- General site
http://www.reformation.org/ground-zero.html <-- Hydrogen bomb theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories <-- Wikipedia article
http://www.debunking911.com/ <-- Debunking the myths
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#101479 - tepples - Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:53 pm
| JaJa wrote: |
Notice how it's always refered to as 9/11? No mention of the year?
I think it's so that people don't notice how long the 'war' has been going on. |
Or so that people will remember the state of emergency, by analogy to 9-1-1, the emergency dispatch telephone number across North America.
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#101490 - Vasco - Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:12 pm
Its true, that the USA started the war, and ended part of it...
USA, nowadays think they are all the things of the world, but there are other countrys, that have people with more inteligence, power, etc...
The most part of the War is because of Bush and then Usa, but Bush is the First one xD
#101494 - mr_cow - Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:53 pm
#101503 - DiscoStew - Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:53 am
Um........pressure from the plane crash and the upper part of the building pushing down to create new stress? Wouldn't much stronger explosives be required to do any harm to the buildings anyways?
The whole "explosives" idea is a joke as far as I am concerned. And the thing that falls off the side ofthe building? You know that could have been anything?
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#101504 - brennan - Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:56 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
| The whole "explosives" idea is a joke as far as I am concerned. And the thing that falls off the side ofthe building? You know that could have been anything? |
I thought that was a person.
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#101505 - sajiimori - Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:00 am
mr_cow, you underestimate the persistence of stupidity.
#101512 - HtheB - Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:48 am
| DiscoStew wrote: |
Um........pressure from the plane crash and the upper part of the building pushing down to create new stress? Wouldn't much stronger explosives be required to do any harm to the buildings anyways?
The whole "explosives" idea is a joke as far as I am concerned. And the thing that falls off the side ofthe building? You know that could have been anything? |
that means you didnt watch the full movie....
#101534 - darkfader - Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:10 am
What the bleep do we know: 9/11 edition :)
The common American rather watches comedies with fat people in it.
And we can't do much about it except passing this video along.
#101536 - HtheB - Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:17 am
| darkfader wrote: |
What the bleep do we know: 9/11 edition :)
The common American rather watches comedies with fat people in it.
And we can't do much about it except passing this video along. |
you forget to mention that the American people also says "Muslims are terrorists...."
(thats why this video is a hard proove that they aren't)
^_^
#101537 - JaJa - Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:20 am
The thing that gets me is that these buildings were designed to withstand a large passenger aircraft hitting them.
Also they claim the steel was weakened by fire from all the kerosene. Interesting considering that the kerosene appeared to burn outside the building. Oh, and that several million tons of steel makes an excellent heatsink. I wonder if the kerosene had enough energy to raise the temperaure by 1000C across all that steel?
I don't think we will ever know the full truth.
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#101539 - HtheB - Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:23 am
| JaJa wrote: |
| I don't think we will ever know the full truth. |
We allready know enough, dont you think? ;)
It's for sure that Osama and his "team" didn't even involve into this attack...
(I know for sure it was America himself >_< )
#101592 - darkfader - Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:18 pm
We all know that every major building has a self-destruct button, don't we?
Just need to get access.
#101627 - Lynx - Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:13 pm
Don't know about any of that stuff.. and don't really care.. The one thing that really matters is that we never forget about the people that died that day, and the people that gave their lives to try to save others.
One of my [BD]Clan members brother was on flight 93.
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#101664 - HtheB - Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:16 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| The one thing that really matters is that we never forget about the people that died that day, |
it's a pity that we only think about that....
there are more important things
like in Africa.. they are hungry...
hondred thousends of people dieying because they are hungry...
WHY DONT WE SEE THIS??? O_o
edit: fixed quote
edit2: fixed quote again.. it wasnt good again :D
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#101668 - DiscoStew - Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:44 am
| HtheB wrote: |
there are more important things
like in Africa.. they are hungry...
hondred thousends of people dieying because they are hungry...
WHY DONT WE SEE THIS??? O_o |
Well thank you for saying to us your opinion about what happened on 9-11 and pushing aside the dead from that while you bring up the death toll in Africa caused by "natural" circumstances. Maybe we should just leave them alone, since we can't seem to handle things in our own country. Hunger in Africa? You've already tried making a point about the problems within America, so why put Africa on it as well? America could be considered the leading power in the world, but that doesn't mean they can do everything, like wipe out hunger in Africa. If you want, they can hike up the taxes, and send stuff to Africa. Does that sound like something you'd do?
You know, all you gotta do to convince people about something is to make sure they don't have any foreknowledge of what's being talked about, or in other terms, convince the "stupid". Humans are so subseptible to anything they don't currently know, and when convinced that it is truth, they'll take that to heart, whether it was actually true or false. A lot of what was said in that video told me things I never thought about...ever. But because I knew nothing about that in the first place, unless there was something objecting to that, would that be considered truth? Most people won't accept truth unless it's given to them on a silver platter. Well, the authors brought out the platter, but can you say for a surety that what's on the platter is the God-honest truth?
I think I "blabbed" on long enough....
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#101682 - sgeos - Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:25 pm
"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day..."
Africa is mess.
A) Lend them money.
B) They buy food.
C) They eat food.
D) They now have debt, but no money and no food.
E) Attempt to repeat step A.
Doesn't sound like helping to me.
Neat fact: Debt accrues interest.
-Brendan
#101685 - tepples - Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:15 pm
Can we replace B) with they buy food and education? Will the $100 children's laptop (which is cheaper than many copyrighted textbooks) help?
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#101698 - sgeos - Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:11 pm
They need to do what India did and have an agricultural revolution.
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#101780 - keldon - Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:26 am
| tepples wrote: |
| Can we replace B) with they buy food and education? Will the $100 children's laptop (which is cheaper than many copyrighted textbooks) help? |
Hmmm!!! It all depends on how much it costs to teach educate one person without one compared to with one. If this can take them through a full course of primary education (and possibly secondary) then it might be more cost effective than a teacher - providing it does not get broken and repairs are not high.
And in third world countries copyrighted textbooks are cheaper (not sure by how much, but a lot less than over here) and they probably would use chalk boards to teach.
And then there's the problem of electricity, maintainance, training (if necessary), and of course - security. I'm sure each of those would get snapped up in an instant in a third world country.
EDIT: that webpage was funny > http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/gbeck5.gif
#101821 - Lynx - Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:36 am
How about instead of giving them $100 laptops, we give them a little snip here and there.. If I couldn't feed my children, I wouldn't have had them.
Now, before someone jumps all over me.. instead of bashing me, or the comment, just explain it to me.. Seriously, I don't get it. I agree, it is sad. And the kids don't choose to go hungry, and didn't choose their life.. But, if we are going to change the topic from 9/11 and the people that WERE KILLED (not just died), I'd suggest even before we send money/food to Africa, the U.S. should feed the thousands of homeless/starving people WE have.
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#101839 - sgeos - Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:51 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| How about instead of giving them $100 laptops, we give them a little snip here and there.. If I couldn't feed my children, I wouldn't have had them. |
According to my friend, humans are the only critters that having children when they are (near) starving.
| Lynx wrote: |
| Now, before someone jumps all over me.. instead of bashing me, or the comment, just explain it to me.. Seriously, I don't get it. |
The human rights people believe that forced human sterilization is evil. Many of them also believe that if you are pro-forced human sterilization, you are evil.
| Lynx wrote: |
| I'd suggest even before we send money/food to Africa, the U.S. should feed the thousands of homeless/starving people WE have. |
I think we should work on making people self sufficient. Or at least give them a chance to become so.
-Brendan
#101848 - HtheB - Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:16 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| I'd suggest even before we send money/food to Africa, the U.S. should feed the thousands of homeless/starving people WE have. |
Well.. the homeless guys can always hide somewhere (empty places?) They could steal food....
but in africa.. THERE IS NO FOOD or a building o_O (i overdrive a little bit.. but I hope you understand what I mean ^_^ )
about the 9/11:
Yesterday Al-Jazera (arabic COMMERCIAL tv channel) has presented a movie showing "bin laden" and his team talking about the 9/11 attack.. they say that they had done it...
I didnt see the movie yet.. but...
think about it:
1) they showed a movie before.... (the one that you see in the movie @ the first post of this topic)
It was "Bin Laden" saying that he done it..
(Well.. there were prooves that the guy was NOT Osama..)
So why are they showing another movie???? that has the same things as the first ones?
I mean.. is this the second part of their theater? :D hahaha
Do you think he would make 2 videos??? :D
2) remember: PROPOGANDA!!!!!
its almost 9/11 again.. and suddenly: video's popup...
u think it's coincedense??
think again.. ;) its Propoganda.. to let people make more hate on the Islam and the Muslims......
I know for sure that this video of Bin Laden they showed on Al-Jazera yesterday, is just fake, like the first video they showed a long time ago...
(remember.. Al-Jazera isn't a Muslim channel! :) )
#101851 - keldon - Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:45 am
The media are doing a terrible job. They are all trying to make the most money they can and live off of making a bad name of Islam. When they report on terrorists being caught, they speak of "muslims being captured" -placing our attention on muslim instead of terrorists. Yet when the IRA was bombing us they didn't call them christians.
But like the HtheB said, i think that africa's situation is much different to the homeless living here. Homeless people aren't starving half as bad, if they cleaned up they wouldn't look like people who were underfed.
And there is big question as to whether these homeless people don't want to be homeless. There is income support (in the UK) which is increased for people with no fixed abode. And there are people with money in the country who occasionally give money to them. There is nothing in africa - and it's also much more cost effective to help them since your ?2 can feed a family for a week (or whatever it was). And we are mining africa for diamonds and gold and whatever, giving them nothing back, so it's one of the first places we ought to give a little something back.
EDIT: ^_^
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#101862 - sgeos - Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:00 pm
| keldon wrote: |
But like the b said, i think that africa's situation is much different to the homeless living here. Homeless people aren't starving half as bad, if they cleaned up they wouldn't look like people who were underfed.
And there is big question as to whether these homeless people don't want to be homeless. There is income support (in the UK) which is increased for people with no fixed abode. |
In the US, many homeless are crazy. The asylums have been closed and many of them just don't have anywhere to go. There are also people who are spending all of their money on drugs/alcohol and don't have what it takes to find a place to live. They are happy to get money, but will refuse a muffin you offer them.
| keldon wrote: |
| And there are people with money in the country who occasionally give money to them. |
I knew a guy in high school who was willing to pretend to be homeless to get money. He hung out in the mall with a hat.
| keldon wrote: |
| There is nothing in africa - and it's also much more cost effective to help them since your ?2 can feed a family for a week (or whatever it was). |
I don't trust the charities. A village in Italy collected donations and bought agricultural equipment for Africa (I think it was a tractor). The charity told them to sell it and just give them the money. I'm not sure how much money gets absorbed in administration. At any rate, Africa
needs a long term solution; not food today (and maybe debt tomorrow).
| keldon wrote: |
| And we are mining africa for diamonds and gold and whatever, giving them nothing back, so it's one of the first places we ought to give a little something back. |
Diamonds are basically worthless. Rather, DeBeers has been controlling the price for many years. You could give every person in the USA a cup full of diamonds. Most of the diamonds are kept hidden away- they are released slowly to keep the price high.
-Brendan
EDIT: In italics. My initial claim was too high. =P
#101889 - Lynx - Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:26 pm
| HtheB wrote: |
think again.. ;) its Propoganda.. to let people make more hate on the Islam and the Muslims...... |
Heh.. so.. you have all these "facts" about how Bin Laden didn't do it.. Do you have any facts of how the U.S. Government DID do it? Aside from the propoganda video you linked to?
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#101893 - HtheB - Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:07 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| HtheB wrote: |
think again.. ;) its Propoganda.. to let people make more hate on the Islam and the Muslims...... |
Heh.. so.. you have all these "facts" about how Bin Laden didn't do it.. Do you have any facts of how the U.S. Government DID do it? Aside from the propoganda video you linked to? |
if you watch carefully... you will see it..
The one what was on NEWS (the fake news videos of osama) is just propoganda...
because 9/11 is almost coming again.. and its almost time for a new president? (afaik)
#101910 - keldon - Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:11 pm
Why do people go on about the idea that our armies will not kill innocent people? What was vietnam about? You don't need to look far into history to see corruption in the government. One of the jobs of the media is to keep the people with the government, no matter what. And letting propaganda pass is one of them because it numbs our response.
Now I'm not one to point the finger, but I wouldn't bet against it. Did we even question the 'recount'? How does a president that nobody likes win for a second round?
Just look back at the chain of events. Our laws have tightened beyond human rights. We have invaded various countries. And none of this would have happened without 9/11.
#101924 - Lynx - Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:28 am
| keldon wrote: |
| Now I'm not one to point the finger, but I wouldn't bet against it. Did we even question the 'recount'? How does a president that nobody likes win for a second round? |
Are you talking about Clinton? I was woundering the same thing...
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#101937 - sgeos - Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:49 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| keldon wrote: | | Now I'm not one to point the finger, but I wouldn't bet against it. Did we even question the 'recount'? How does a president that nobody likes win for a second round? |
Are you talking about Clinton? I was woundering the same thing... |
If there is a president that nobody likes, he won't be elected.
Clinton, Bush, whoever. They all have people who support them
and people who despise them.
-Brendan
#101948 - tepples - Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:24 am
I don't vote Republicrat anymore.
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#101969 - HtheB - Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:01 am
afaik there was 1 president that was fair..
J.F. Kennedy...
he was murdered... because he was FAIR! :(
#102043 - sgeos - Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:28 am
| HtheB wrote: |
afaik there was 1 president that was fair..
J.F. Kennedy...
he was murdered... because he was FAIR! :( |
He was also a really sleazy guy.
-Brendan
#102089 - HtheB - Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:21 pm
| sgeos wrote: |
| HtheB wrote: | afaik there was 1 president that was fair..
J.F. Kennedy...
he was murdered... because he was FAIR! :( |
He was also a really sleazy guy.
-Brendan |
hmm.. but i said: afaik xD
(I didnt knew exactly about him.. but I know about BUSH >.<!)
#102106 - Lynx - Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:03 pm
Well, you know what you are spoon fed..
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#102169 - sgeos - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:58 pm
I did not say he was not fair. I do not know if he was or not. I just said he was sleazy. =)
-Brendan
#102253 - HtheB - Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:32 am
and again there are "new" videos of bin laden that tells he attacked WTC :S :S
wtf man.. com' on .. this is riddiculous..
how many videos are there now :S
this prooves that ALL videos are fake..
:)
remember.. it's propoganda.. they just litterly USE the 9/11 incident to get themself on top (yeah.. im talking about the $@($&@# Bush).
He says:
"We will get Bin Laden.."
and people like us.. are just like zombies, and say: YES! TAKE HIM!
actually.. we need to say: GRAB BUSH! >_<!!!
#102308 - DiscoStew - Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:38 pm
| HtheB wrote: |
and again there are "new" videos of bin laden that tells he attacked WTC :S :S
wtf man.. com' on .. this is riddiculous..
how many videos are there now :S
this prooves that ALL videos are fake..
:)
remember.. it's propoganda.. they just litterly USE the 9/11 incident to get themself on top (yeah.. im talking about the $@($&@# Bush).
He says:
"We will get Bin Laden.."
and people like us.. are just like zombies, and say: YES! TAKE HIM!
actually.. we need to say: GRAB BUSH! >_<!!! |
*sigh*
Next thing you are gonna tell us is Bin Laden and his group are working for Bush.....
I admit that somethings concerning those dealings (like the Pentagon) are very out of the ordinary, but that doesn't mean everything in those Loose Change videos are true. Instead of taking in everything someone says, why don't you examine the possibility that at least one thing that is being told to you is wrong.
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#103012 - mirra - Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:02 pm
i like al quaida
#103092 - sgeos - Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:05 am
| mirra wrote: |
| i like al quaida |
Although that made me laugh, I still have to ask why. Why?
-Brendan