#110811 - tepples - Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:11 pm
Removing the Game Card from a DS while it is turned on has been shown to reveal information about the firmware; this has been nicknamed TakeMeOut. But what about removing the Game Disc from a Wii?
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#110828 - Lynx - Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:30 am
Nice.. Now we know why angled toasters never cought on.. ;)
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#110831 - dantheman - Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:40 am
It reminds me of the guy who had some fun with an old hard drive, hehe.
#110835 - keldon - Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:36 am
YouTube for PS3 vs Wii (the one with the two ladies) ^_^
#110861 - Lynx - Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:38 am
Nice.. I love the platters running up the wall!!! That is awesome!
As for the PS3 vs Wii.. they forgot
PS3: I cost as much as an eMachines brand Intel 3Ghz computer with 19" LCD Widescreen display.
And that's not even bargain shopping it!
[Even if they do have 315 billion USD of annual revenue, you're still not supposed to promote a retailer. -- MOD]
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#110951 - MrD - Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:30 am
I hate those type of drives, y'know. I really do.
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#110955 - zzo38computer - Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:53 am
If it is connected to internet it will automatically update the firmware, even when it is turned off.
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#110958 - tepples - Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:26 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| PS3: I cost as much as an eMachines brand Intel 3Ghz computer with 19" LCD Widescreen display. |
Compared to consoles, PCs have very few multiplayer games that allow more than one player per machine. Players are expected to buy multiple PCs and put them in a LAN. Dare to compare:
PC: Four players on one game, $2500 for four PCs plus $160 for four copies of the game with unique CD keys = $2660
Wii: Four players on one game, $350 for console (even at inflated eBay pricing) plus $500 for decent size TV plus $50 for game plus $180 for three extra controllers = $1080
Your eMachines PC has a DVD plus-dash burner, but it has no Blu-ray Disc player. As of right now, the PLAYSTATION 3 console is the cheapest Blu-ray Disc player, which is a bonus for Hollywood movie fanatics.
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#110983 - Lynx - Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:43 am
| tepples wrote: |
Dare to compare:
PC: Four players on one game, $2500 for four PCs plus $160 for four copies of the game with unique CD keys = $2660
Wii: Four players on one game, $350 for console (even at inflated eBay pricing) plus $500 for decent size TV plus $50 for game plus $180 for three extra controllers = $1080 |
That's awesome.. how often do you have 3 other people over to play games with you? And how big is your living room to have 4 people swinging remotes around without knocking each other out? Anyway, I was just showing what $600 will get you for a PC.. if you want to do the same comparison, you have to be more resonable.. You can get a decent machine that will play most games available for around $300-400 with an LCD monitor. Sure, it won't be HD or at 1024x768 (or maybe it will).. but neither is the Wii.. Also, many multiplayer PC games only require one purchased CD for multiplayer play or one CD for up to 4 network players. And what if you want to play a 32 or 64 player 3d shooter? Does the Wii support that? Oh.. and I'd love to see 4 player Red Alert on any console.. It's bad enough you can see what screens your opponent is picking on football games. Sure, you don't know the exact play, but you can narrow it down.
So, PC: 4 computers = $1,400 + $40 game (or free with online games like RTCW:ET) + $20 hub = $1,460
I can only imagine how much "more" fun 4 people could have by spending the extra $380.
Now, before we end up comparing all kinds of stuff.. the Wii seems to be the only console that want's to do it's job.. and that is be a gaming console.
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Your eMachines PC has a DVD plus-dash burner, but it has no Blu-ray Disc player. As of right now, the PLAYSTATION 3 console is the cheapest Blu-ray Disc player, which is a bonus for Hollywood movie fanatics. |
That's true, but neither does the Wii.. which is why I'm confused you even brought the Wii up.. Anyway.. Funny how the company that is "brute forcing" the Blu-ray standard just happens to sell the cheapest Blu-ray player.. I wonder how much the PS3 could have been if they didn't put the Blu-ray drive in it?
But, let's talk HD content instead of an "up and coming?" potential HD standard.. How much would I have to spend on a PC that can do the following:
Hook up to a TV using HD
Play HD content (whatever codec/media)
Do all your standard internet stuff
Let you write term papers on it
Let you play thousands of free downloadable games
Let you run thousands of free downloadable apps
blah blah blah.. The list could go on and on ... and on..
Hell, you can buy a used car for $600.. can the PS3 take you to the mall? ;)
Point being, bang for the buck. Sure, a stand alone Blu-ray player may be $1,000 and if you buy a PS3 just for the Blu-ray player then you save $400 and good for you.. But aside from one very small feature (being that I think we are talking about gaming, not watching movies) the 3Ghz PC for the same price is just a "smarter" purchase. But, being that we are spoon fed what to think by the media, people are willing to spend anything on a "toy".. Or maybe I'm just to old and think $600 is a lot of money.[/b]
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#110987 - sgeos - Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:10 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| Funny how the company that is "brute forcing" the Blu-ray standard just happens to sell the cheapest Blu-ray player. |
In Japan, many people bought PS2s for the DVD playing facility. Sony is trying to recreate that effect. The market seems artificial and I don't think it will work. I don't want a Blu-ray disc player. I could be wrong.
| Lynx wrote: |
| Or maybe I'm just to old and think $600 is a lot of money. |
I doubt it. $600 is a lot of money. Depending on where you live, $600 pays the rent.
Sony was the default choice. If they had just made a game console, then they probably would have been gamers number one choice. Somehow they managed to price themselves out of the top spot. At least, that is what I think.
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#111002 - keldon - Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:40 pm
Remember that without a HD TV your blu ray movies have no advantage over DVD, apart from a little better quality from being able to use less compression and longer playing times.
You also have to remember the selection of games when looking at a console. Where is tenchu, smash bros and soul calibur on the PC?
#111012 - Lynx - Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:23 pm
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| In Japan, many people bought PS2s for the DVD playing facility. |
Wow.. that's sad. Even back when it was released, DVD players were only $40 at some 314 billion dollar retailer ;)
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| You also have to remember the selection of games when looking at a console. Where is tenchu, smash bros and soul calibur on the PC? |
Now this one I can totally plead "to old".. But, that is true.. Kinda like with GTA, I almost bought a PS2 just to get that game.. but, was able to hold off the extra 6 months or so to pick it up for PC instead.
EDIT: Oh yeah... and I thought EVERYONE had an HD TV.. ;)
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#111019 - Dan2552 - Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:29 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
EDIT: Oh yeah... and I thought EVERYONE had an HD TV.. ;) |
I don't! :D do I win something?
#111021 - keldon - Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:55 pm
First I heard of HDTV's was at a friends from school about 10 years ago. The TV was at least 5 feet high, came from china and nothing at the time played in HDTV. So it looked nice, but the reality of it is that nothing come out in HD on the TV because everything all videos, computer games, cams and TV channels were PAL.
#111029 - dantheman - Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:43 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| Quote: | | In Japan, many people bought PS2s for the DVD playing facility. |
Wow.. that's sad. Even back when it was released, DVD players were only $40 at some 314 billion dollar retailer ;) |
I'm pretty sure DVD players were more expensive than that at the time. I distinctly remember reading people who justified their purchase with the idea of "well, think of it as a $150 game player and a $150 DVD player, so you're getting a good deal on both of them"
| Wikipedia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2 wrote: |
| The PS2 hardware can read both CDs and DVDs. It is backwards compatible with older PlayStation (PS1) games, allows for DVD Video playback, and will play PS2 games off cheap CD-ROM discs or higher-capacity DVD-ROM discs. The ability to play DVD movies was an added incentive for consumers to be able to justify purchasing the PS2 (The MSRP was $300 in October 2000). |
#111046 - tepples - Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:32 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| how often do you have 3 other people over to play games with you? |
Kids in the family. Periodic family reunions. Clubs.
| Lynx wrote: |
| And what if you want to play a 32 or 64 player 3d shooter? Does the Wii support that? Oh.. and I'd love to see 4 player Red Alert on any console |
True, there exist genres that don't work well on consoles due to technical limitations. But is there a technical reason that the traditionally console-only genres can't work on a home theater PC? Or is it just politics? And what about C&C Red Alert: Retaliation on the original PlayStation, which supported the system's equivalent of the Game Link cable?
| Lynx wrote: |
| Kinda like with GTA, I almost bought a PS2 just to get that game.. but, was able to hold off the extra 6 months or so to pick it up for PC instead. |
As opposed to waiting 95 years to pick up a PC version of Smash Bros. or Bomberman? By that time, you're dead.
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#111054 - keldon - Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:46 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Lynx wrote: | | how often do you have 3 other people over to play games with you? |
Kids in the family. Periodic family reunions. Clubs. |
Friends!!! I never bought my GC to play it everyday, so every couple of months for about an hour when my cousins come round to play with my little brother and sister they bring smash bros and I kick their butts on it. And every once in a while I play my dad at soul calibur and other people on ISS.
Maybe in the school days it was more often that there would be more than 4 people in a room who would be willing to play games. If anything we sometimes spend hours late at night playing cards and dominos. I'm sure there must be a drink-friendly game that could be played in the same manor.
#111059 - Ant6n - Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:22 pm
mario kart is fun for all ages. too bad they'll never release it for my htpc. sucks that there no split screen games for pc anymore.
#111061 - keldon - Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:45 pm
Rollcage was splitscreen, but when you think about it most PC's are positioned in the corners/portions of rooms and accessed by. Consoles are played on the TV which is positioned to be viewed by many people.
#111062 - tepples - Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:50 pm
| keldon wrote: |
| Rollcage was splitscreen, but when you think about it most PC's are positioned in the corners/portions of rooms and accessed by. Consoles are played on the TV which is positioned to be viewed by many people. |
So which open platform is "played on the TV which is positioned to be viewed by many people"? The only one I can think of is a home theater PC.
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#111064 - Ant6n - Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:58 pm
the htpc is kind of the fourth console. You can get a medium powered pc (including some nice gfx) for like 400-600 $. But there are no real games for more than one person, so one has to use emulators.
#111065 - tepples - Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:02 pm
There aren't a lot of games designed for HTPCs because there aren't a lot of HTPCs. But there aren't a lot of HTPCs because there aren't a lot of games designed for HTPCs. So it's the Yoshi and the egg. Would anyone like to discuss fixing this issue in a separate topic?
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#111109 - Lynx - Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:22 am
Sure..
And the question wasn't 'who' do you play multiplayer on a console with, but 'how often' do you do it. Sure, in a college setting, I can see a console getting a lot of 4 player use, but in the standard home?
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