#128144 - Darkflame - Wed May 09, 2007 12:02 am
| In this post, Lynx wrote: |
| you don't get a reputation for nothing. |
Actually, often you do, or you keep a reputation for reasons long outdated.
(eg, Nintendo's "kiddy image")
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#128182 - Lynx - Wed May 09, 2007 2:01 pm
| Darkflame wrote: |
Actually, often you do, or you keep a reputation for reasons long outdated.
(eg, Nintendo's "kiddy image") |
So your saying that Nintendo's "Kiddy" image is outdated? Because the list of games available for the DS (for example) compared to.. oh.. the xbox 360.. wouldn't suggest it's outdated. Not that having a "Kiddy" image is a bad thing.
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#128232 - dantheman - Wed May 09, 2007 10:08 pm
Come on Lynx, Nintendo never has and never will be kiddy. I know plenty of 30-year-olds who are anxious to snatch up their copies of Pony Friends when it releases in Europe on May 18th.
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Developed exclusively for Nintendo DS by Melbourne-based studio Tantalus Interactive, Pony Friends is set to become the must-have title for the summer. Using the touch screen and voice commands you must care for, compete with and create your perfect pony.
Customise your pony by choosing its favourite colour and food, groom and care for it daily. Take your pony out and explore over 15 different trails trekking through mountains, wetlands, farmland, towns, forests, along beaches and more. Daily play will ensure that your pony is the prettiest, healthiest, fastest, most talented, and best pony, scooping you first prize in the prestigious ?perfect pony competition?. |
Doesn't that sound awesome? 15 different trails! Gotta walk 'em all!
>_>
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#128242 - tondopie - Wed May 09, 2007 10:36 pm
i know I can't wait to get Pony firends
#128369 - Darkflame - Fri May 11, 2007 1:15 am
| Lynx wrote: |
| Darkflame wrote: | Actually, often you do, or you keep a reputation for reasons long outdated.
(eg, Nintendo's "kiddy image") |
So your saying that Nintendo's "Kiddy" image is outdated? Because the list of games available for the DS (for example) compared to.. oh.. the xbox 360.. wouldn't suggest it's outdated. Not that having a "Kiddy" image is a bad thing. |
The point is Nintendo hasn't censored games for age related reasons since the Snes days. On the gamecube, in fact, Nintendo was more open and allowing of violent/sexual content then Sony.
What did/didnt come out on Nintendo systems is purely due to userbase numbers. Mature titles actually normal sale a lot less then other games so the userbase of a system has to be large for developers to release them.
As for Games release, purhapes comparing Xbox360 to Wii or DS to PSP might be a better idea?
But, if you want to compare the DS to 360
Xbox360;
Bionicle Heroes
Disney's Meet the Robinsons
Eragon
Kameo
Open Season
Looney Tunes
Madagascar
ect
DS;
Metroid Hunters,
Castlevania
Age of Empires
Brothers in Arm
Burnout Legends
Resident Evil
Its very easy to make lists ""proving"" these things by selectively choosing games.
One of the biggest saleing DS games is BrainTraining....which is appealing to the polar-opposite of the kiddy crowd.
On the other hand, Nintendogs is a massive saler...so what does that tell us.
Bugger all :p
In reality game lists are nothing but userbase size and publishers whim.
Theres no such thing as a "kiddy" system unless the creator of the system is restricting releases or specifiably marketing it to make it so. (eg, Sega's old Pico machine).
None of the big 3 are doing this, so there is no kiddy systems.
The image can remain long after the reasons for it have long gone.
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#128378 - tepples - Fri May 11, 2007 1:51 am
| Darkflame wrote: |
| Theres no such thing as a "kiddy" system unless the creator of the system is restricting releases |
Every console maker since the NES has restricted releases using some sort of lockout chip. Nintendo specifically didn't want to see a glut of games published by smaller publishers take down the NES the same way they took down Atari's system.
| Darkflame wrote: |
| or specifiably marketing it to make it so. (eg, Sega's old Pico machine). |
Or Leapster, right?
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#128380 - chuckstudios - Fri May 11, 2007 2:03 am
| Darkflame wrote: |
But, if you want to compare the DS to 360
Xbox360;
Bionicle Heroes
Disney's Meet the Robinsons
Eragon
Kameo
Open Season
Looney Tunes
Madagascar
ect
DS;
Metroid Hunters,
Castlevania
Age of Empires
Brothers in Arm
Burnout Legends
Resident Evil
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That list is damn biased and you know it.
EDIT: Perhaps I need to start reading better :P
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#128388 - dantheman - Fri May 11, 2007 3:26 am
Chuck, I'm pretty sure that was his point. Check the first sentence after that list.
#128393 - Dood77 - Fri May 11, 2007 4:55 am
| Darkflame wrote: |
Bionicle Heroes
Disney's Meet the Robinsons
Eragon
Kameo
Open Season
Looney Tunes
Madagascar
|
There is a DS version of every one of these games except Kameo. (but I'm a little iffy on meet the robinsons...)
#128436 - tepples - Fri May 11, 2007 1:13 pm
DS is kiddy with Animal Crossing. Xbox 360 is just as kiddy with Pi?ata Crossing.
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#128446 - Lynx - Fri May 11, 2007 3:52 pm
Maybe I'm just looking at it from a different angle.. I'm looking for a kiddy system.. So, instead of comparing adult titles vs adult titles on each unit, compare kid friendly vs kid friendly for each unit.
There will be a TON more games available on the DS that I can allow my son to play vs the 360. I don't know about the PSP because I never looked at what was available as I would never spend that much money on "a toy".
When I went to the store, planning to purchase a 360, I looked over the games.. and I couldn't find anything for my son (2.5 years old) to play. I've heard there are a couple of kiddy games available, but there are a lot more on the DS..
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#128481 - RegalSin - Fri May 11, 2007 9:56 pm
1. In the west nintendo advertise there systems as toys ( Since that is what it is )
2. In japan we make games for everybody or for children. Genrally we make the games fun enough for adults while children we have something challenging or vise versa.
The rule is that you can't make a game depicting sex unless that is all there is and the meaning of that is we can't make games unless the sex is minimal ( then again this is not 1985 ).
3. The west especially Amerika is commercial games. Meaning stereotypes and controversy rule. Therefore Nintendo cut out things in there games fearing that people might label them something they are not.
As with homosexauls, hatemongers, and even people who are misunderstood or who is victims. We all label them call them names, and try to find some reason to put them behind bars.
1.violence in videogames.
2. People who play games get fat faster.
Short answer is yes. Nintendo promotes and make games gere towards younger audience but is also fun and respected by older auidence ven in the east.
You can still go to Nintendo and promote your game idea reaurdless how crude it is but they might direct you to another studio that is under there name or is related to them.
Like with the Hellboy movie. The guy who created the ships in Atlantis was the creator of Hellboy ( I forget but is highly related to hellboy ) and he struck some sorta deal with them.
We all know Hellboy is not Disney material nore it is an original and I do not think Disney regaudless of his nature would aprove of Hellboy being under there name so Disney had a related studio work on this.
That does not mean you can also create games that could scambles a three year olds brain and create some sorta new slang. It just means Nintendo itself is towards a "younger" audience.
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#130287 - tondopie - Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:19 pm
You left out:
DS:
Touch the Dead
GoldenEye
Splinter Cell
Top Gun
#130313 - Lynx - Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:33 am
Do we want to create a list of "kid" friendly games for each of the popular systems and see what I'm talking about?
Or, list all the adult geared games for all the system? You'll see Nintendo at the top of the kid friendly and at the bottom of the adult geared. Just look.. it's not eve something that can be discussed. it's just fact. Being kid friendly (again) isn't bad. And in my case, is what I'm looking for, as I can't play splinter cell with my 2.5 year old son watching.
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#130325 - keldon - Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:43 am
A list is of no importance, 1,000 rubbish xx games don't count; it's about which basket the eggs are put in.
#132977 - HyperHacker - Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:24 am
Comparing DS to X360 here is unfair for a few reasons:
-Portables are generally expected to have fairly weak graphics and 2D games while consoles are expected to have ultra-realistic 3D graphics. The former is a lot less work, and companies just don't want to put a lot of work into a kid's game given its limited market. Handhelds always tend to get the silly kids' games, because they're simple games that wouldn't live up to the expectations of a console. DS is probably cheaper to develop for too, and I doubt these games have huge budgets.
-DS is cheaper (and handheld, so it'll shut them up on long car trips) and Nintendo is known for durability, so a kid is more likely to have a DS than an X360. (This creates kind of an interesting spiral effect: another reason the kid more likely has a DS is that there are several kids' games available for it. This further influences developers to choose DS for their own kids' games, which further increases the number of them available, making it even more likely, etc etc.)
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#133051 - Dood77 - Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:33 pm
No ones mentioned the recent Manhunt 2 for Wii stuff??
If people didn't know... basically it comes down to that it got an AO (adults-only) rating, and Nintendo refused to allow it to be published. I think it had something to do with the gruesome motion-controlled actions in the game.
An interesting quote from an executive when asked if it related to keeping Nintendo's image: | Reggie Fils-Aime wrote: |
"This is not an image issue. Wii welcomes games rated E, T and M. We haven't approved AO-rated games. I doubt we ever will. What Rockstar has right now is a game rated outside our spectrum, outside any manufacturer's spectrum."
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#133149 - bean_xp - Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:37 pm
Ok before anyone else mensions that I'm sure sony don't lisence AO rated games and I doubt microsoft do either. Also in UK the game was denied a rating by ERSB.
#133166 - keldon - Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:18 pm
Ok, now I want to play this game more than I did before!
#133191 - Dood77 - Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:56 pm
Yeah actually some to think of it, I can't think of any AO games on consoles... (not that I can think of any AO games at all...)
All I know is that if I were a developer for manhunt 2 I would be royally pissed off. Maybe they'll release it on PC, with the option to use "extra peripherals" through bluetooth :P
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#133198 - keldon - Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:12 am
| Dood77 wrote: |
Yeah actually some to think of it, I can't think of any AO games on consoles... (not that I can think of any AO games at all...)
All I know is that if I were a developer for manhunt 2 I would be royally pissed off. Maybe they'll release it on PC, with the option to use "extra peripherals" through bluetooth :P |
Maybe that was their plan from the beginning; think about it! They probably never had any intention of releasing it on a console, instead they want a worldwide PC release under their own private distribution.