#133573 - felix123 - Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:32 am
I've heard rumors that a new DS will be released at E3. Do you think it is true?
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#133618 - bean_xp - Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:36 pm
Although I wouldn't entirely discard it I doubt there will be a DS redesign announced so shortly after the lite, however, I personally think a redesign is inevitable at some stage later in time. I mean what could possibly be included in a new DS design? (Sorry if that de-rails topic :D)
#133649 - keldon - Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:58 pm
Well consider this:
- GBA released in Summer 2001
- DS released approximately 42 months later, late 2004
- ^ that was about 30 months ago, start counting!
#133657 - tepples - Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:24 pm
It took roughly four years to go from the GBA through the SP to the micro. So based on this pattern, we shouldn't expect DS micro until next year.
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#133659 - wintermute - Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:25 pm
DS Phat November 2004 in NA
DS Lite June 2006
~ 19 months
next iteration ( DS micro, something along those lines? ) ~ January 2008. A new model around November/December seems kind of reasonable.
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#133660 - Dood77 - Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:32 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| It took roughly four years to go from the GBA through the SP to the micro. So based on this pattern, we shouldn't expect DS micro until next year. |
Due to the success (or rather the lack-of) of the GB Micro, I don't think we'll see a DS Micro.
Also, due to the success of the DS (it being larger than that of previous GB iterations) I don't think we'll see anything of the "DS2" at least for another year.
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#133751 - felix123 - Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:09 am
Or could it be something like a Pokemon Mini/Game & Watch?
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#133755 - wintermute - Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:42 pm
Some people say the DS is already like a pokemon game & watch :P
Dood77, do you know for definite that the GBM was unsuccessful or is that just your own opinion?
Personally I'd imagine it sold less than the GBA or SP if only because of the timing. I have one and it's a rather nice liitle device but I'd say most people probably bought a DS instead.
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#133758 - tepples - Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:08 pm
GB micro lost GBC compatibility. DS micro would probably ditch SLOT-2 completely, instead building the 8 MB of RAM and Rumble Pak directly into the system.
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#133802 - Dood77 - Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:38 pm
| wintermute wrote: |
| Dood77, do you know for definite that the GBM was unsuccessful or is that just your own opinion? |
I meant unsuccessful by business standards, not technology. As in it sold much less than expected, I don't know the numbers, I've heard them once, probably at a site like IGN. I do know that I've never known of anyone personally who's had one, and there are about 4 or 5 sitting used in the glass case of my local game crazy.
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#133866 - felix123 - Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:23 am
| tepples wrote: |
| DS micro would probably ditch SLOT-2 completely, instead building the 8 MB of RAM and Rumble Pak directly into the system. |
What about the camera?
And here's the sales in millions. I've seen a few GBA/SP in person but only one GBM. And it seems like every second young person I know owns a DS/L. :P
GBA 79.46
GBASP 41.92
GBM 2.42
DS 40.29
DSL 21.85
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#133920 - tepples - Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:51 pm
| felix123 wrote: |
| tepples wrote: | | DS micro would probably ditch SLOT-2 completely, instead building the 8 MB of RAM and Rumble Pak directly into the system. |
What about the camera? |
As far as I can tell, the camera that points at the player's face is for one Japan-only game. Game Boy Player already ditched support for tilt-sensor games (Kirby Tilt n Tumble and Koro Koro Puzzle Happy Panech) and Game Boy Camera (which was very popular among Super Game Boy users). Anything designed to act like Game Boy Camera would probably either fit in SLOT-1 and face out, or have a cord between a cart that fits in SLOT-2 and a "webcam" looking thing that clips onto the top screen.
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#134118 - RegalSin - Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:40 pm
Well the fact is Nintendo is pulling our leg if they bring out another NDS with more modifications.
I feel if they would just release the canceled/ on hold "Gameboy 3d" already.
I dislike the idea of adding devices to a universal device already. It saves money for developers but for people who want to go that extra mile for example in the many Super Famicom games that had add-on devices it would be a complete loss.
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#134121 - jester - Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:46 pm
Well the DS is not really a GB series handheld so i think by 2008 Nintendo will release something with a new name but accepts ds card media!!
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#134150 - Dood77 - Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:17 am
| RegalSin wrote: |
| Well the fact is Nintendo is pulling our leg if they bring out another NDS with more modifications. |
Why? The DS is the third pillar, ain't it? They never said they were going to release new platforms for each pillar consecutively.
| jester wrote: |
| Well the DS is not really a GB series handheld so i think by 2008 Nintendo will release something with a new name but accepts ds card media!! |
What, you're thinking they're gonna do a fourth pillar?!
Personally I think the GameBoy is away and done with, all this pillar nonsense is rubbish. The next handheld will definitely be a DS of some sort, it may or may not ditch GameBoy support, but I think it's more likely that they will ditch the GameBoy slot and make a virtual console for handheld games, like the Wii. But if they want 100% legacy DS support, we would need a SLOT-2... SD card slot would be nice too.
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#134152 - RegalSin - Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:49 am
The gameboy slot and cart size is perfect. It is small, leaves room for addtional support, and is never a hassle. The biggest mistake was minimizing the cart size with gba games. With the big sized carts we could have had less expensive chips added in.
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#134188 - tepples - Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:37 pm
| RegalSin wrote: |
| The gameboy slot and cart size is perfect. |
How far does a GBA Movie Player (size of original GB cart) stick out of the DS Lite? And where would the motherboard fit if the game were to fit entirely into the system the way it does on a GBC?
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#134311 - silent_code - Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:03 pm
think gb micro, it works. ;^)
only a micro would have cost two times the gba back then, i guess. :^S
#134425 - Dood77 - Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:10 am
| RegalSin wrote: |
| The gameboy slot and cart size is perfect. |
It isn't always about whats most practical, people will see the size of the device and quality/amount of the content and make judgments on how 'high-tech' it is. A good example is iPods, This little thing holds 20,000 songs?!
Also, less empty space inside a cart gives less space for stuff inside to jostle around and get damaged, and probably more resistant to being crushed, too. Hardware developers shouldn't feel pressured to use all the space inside.
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#134502 - jester - Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:36 pm
Good Point Dood77 yes probably a new ds that takes a new media card and perhaps a virtual console of some sort.
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#134504 - silent_code - Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:55 pm
... and (at least) tripples the max polycount and supports up to eight point/distance/spot lights and had bilinear filtering and mipmapping support and a bit more computation power and screens as clear as the psp's (the resolution is ok as it is now) and better sound support (higher quality dac etc.) and a better d-pad (i still prefer the gba's) and a less jerky touch sensor and double the vram and at least 8mb ram and ...
well, let's simply hope there'll be an nds2 (nds elite? ;^p ) some time and it be at least as good to work with as the curent nds.
well, i wouldn't be opposed by gamecube compatibility... say hello to a 400 USD/EU handheld. ;^p
at least one can daydream about it. <sigh>