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OffTopic > I've tried... (Wikipedia bashing...)

#142721 - Jidoo - Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:31 am

I noticed this a few days ago. I've tried to save the article, but I keep facing the "RELIABLE THIRD PARTY SOURCES" problem...
According to the Wikipedia admin who deleted the article,
Quote:
Homebrew websites are not reliable sources under these policies. If there are no reliable sources for a topic, we should not have an article on it at all.

which is something I really don't understand...
And it brings me to the question : what is Wikipedia ? A repository of "reliable sources" or an encyclopedia where anyone can bring their knowledge? So, according to this admin, homebrew sites aren't "reliable", until an important newspaper write something about it?

Just for fun : the NDS homebrew article is now "protected from editing"...
Wikipedia nonsense....

#142738 - Lynx - Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:57 pm

Sounds like the article refered to a specific reseller to much.. noting the "spam" comments.
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#142744 - keldon - Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:13 pm

The moderator comments look more to me that he is keen on deleting the topic due to the lack of sources. I have suggested rewriting the article to address the "reliable source" issue, but if it goes then "so what"!!!

#142763 - tepples - Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:58 pm

Ideally, according to my interpretation of Wikipedia policies, any claim in an article should cite a reliable source. This pretty much includes mainstream news media, peer-reviewed scholarly journals, and other sources that have established a reputation for checking facts. Subjects that reliable sources have not covered, such as most homebrew projects, are deemed non-notable and therefore unsuitable for Wikipedia. But if a magazine covers, say, LMP-ng, it would appear to qualify.

If you're trying to promote your own homebrew project on Wikipedia, that's not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for editors with a conflict of interest.
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#142954 - Jidoo - Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:52 pm

It's not about promoting anything, but writing what exists.
So, according to Wikipedia, if something isn't already covered in a magazine, it shouldn't have an article. Even if most of the time, when a mainstream media talks about homebrew, there are a lot of mistakes, wikipedia still believe it is "reliable source"....
Anyway, it was my first and last "wikipedia fighting", theses admins are too stubborn...

#142973 - tepples - Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:31 pm

Jidoo wrote:
It's not about promoting anything, but writing what exists.

I exist. Is there a Wikipedia article (not a user page) about me? Should there be?

Jidoo wrote:
So, according to Wikipedia, if something isn't already covered in a magazine, it shouldn't have an article.

Obscure things like most individual DS homebrew applications are generally not suitable for inclusion in a general encyclopedia. But feel free to describe them on a wiki dedicated to comprehensive coverage of homebrew on handheld platforms or on Nintendo platforms.

Jidoo wrote:
Even if most of the time, when a mainstream media talks about homebrew, there are a lot of mistakes, wikipedia still believe it is "reliable source"....

If you can demonstrate that none of the magazines in question have succeeded in their fact-checking in articles about a given subject, then the magazines are not a reliable source for information about that subject.

Jidoo wrote:
Anyway, it was my first and last "wikipedia fighting", theses admins are too stubborn...

Stubborn, or steadfast?
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#142980 - keldon - Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:54 pm

I've made comments on the discussion about it, but his actions are fully justified. It may appear like he is bashing the community, but the rules are clear. I have provided links to notable entities, such as distributors for sources mentioning "homebrew". I have also suggested that the article simply state what homebrew is, which is more likely to have sources.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/12/19/microsoft_opens_homebrew_channels.html
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24363
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/05/20/atari_2600_homebrew.html
http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/20/0641209&from=rss
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9290
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11964
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/oct2005/id20051014_827471.htm
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2170362,00.asp

#142993 - Lynx - Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:45 pm

tepples wrote:
Jidoo wrote:
Even if most of the time, when a mainstream media talks about homebrew, there are a lot of mistakes, wikipedia still believe it is "reliable source"....

If you can demonstrate that none of the magazines in question have succeeded in their fact-checking in articles about a given subject, then the magazines are not a reliable source for information about that subject.


I think that is pretty safe to say. Most print magazines tend to have something wrong in their articles as they don't have dedicated people eating, sleeping, and breathing the article topic. I believe it is a rare occasion to find a fully researched and thought out article in a print magazine.
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#143431 - zzo38computer - Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:08 am

If it isn't allowed on wikipedia but maybe should be on wikipedia anyways you can post to sub-wikipedia instead:

http://subwikipedia.scribblewiki.com/FlashMe
http://subwikipedia.scribblewiki.com/NDS_homebrew
or whatever else it should be.
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#143905 - HyperHacker - Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:25 am

Quote:
The result was delete. The numerical consensus is "merge".
Enough said.
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#144037 - tepples - Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:53 pm

Someone from another Wikimedia project thinks Nintendo owns the copyright in all images produced using the following geometric construction:
  1. Let pb be a sphere of diameter d_s.
  2. Let sc be a small circle on pb whose center is c_sc and whose diameter is d_sc, such that d_sc is less than half d_s.
  3. Let gc be a great circle on pb through c_sc.
  4. Let ga be the arc of the great circle that lies outside the interior of sc.
  5. Let lw be a length less than half d_sc.
  6. Color pb such that all points of distance less than or equal to lw/2 from the union of ga and sc are dark, and all other points are light.

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