#145720 - HyperHacker - Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:58 pm
| keldon wrote: |
| HyperHacker wrote: | | Got a link that isn't on a site whose entire content seems to be one advertising page? |
Bear in mind that IGN are a large media company who film producers are more than happy to quote reviews from (indicating notability). Also note that any web based media site will be laden with advertising. Having said that it has no more advertising space than cnet! |
Well, no. I don't know about the rest of you but every page I view on IGN consists entirely of an ad and a "click here to continue" link that just leads to the same ad page again. (And even if that link did work, that wouldn't excuse the use of those pages to begin with.)
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#145748 - olimar - Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:33 pm
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#145751 - keldon - Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:33 pm
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| keldon wrote: | | HyperHacker wrote: | | Got a link that isn't on a site whose entire content seems to be one advertising page? |
Bear in mind that IGN are a large media company who film producers are more than happy to quote reviews from (indicating notability). Also note that any web based media site will be laden with advertising. Having said that it has no more advertising space than cnet! |
Well, no. I don't know about the rest of you but every page I view on IGN consists entirely of an ad and a "click here to continue" link that just leads to the same ad page again. (And even if that link did work, that wouldn't excuse the use of those pages to begin with.) |
It's most likely down to your cookies because I rarely ever see that.
#145753 - Lynx - Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:57 pm
I never see it.. I wounder if that is because I don't go to IGN ? ;) Not that they care, but the only way to show them you don't like ads is to not visit the site, and allow them to make money from the ads they are shoving down your throat.
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#145754 - keldon - Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:09 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| I never see it.. I wounder if that is because I don't go to IGN ? ;) Not that they care, but the only way to show them you don't like ads is to not visit the site, and allow them to make money from the ads they are shoving down your throat. |
If media companies couldn't have ads they wouldn't exist! That's why TV have commercials every 15 minutes. That's why we have "soap operas" and not "operas", after a soap company sponsored a popular run of them.
#145773 - HyperHacker - Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:51 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| I never see it.. I wounder if that is because I don't go to IGN ? ;) Not that they care, but the only way to show them you don't like ads is to not visit the site, and allow them to make money from the ads they are shoving down your throat. |
Good, someone gets it. Changing cookie settings may fix the problem that the content is inaccessible (lol poor site design), but it wouldn't fix the problem that they employ such disgraceful practices.
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#145776 - NeX - Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:42 pm
I never get that kind of advert. AdBlock Plus does a pretty top-notch job of blocking nearly every ad on the site (it only misses the ones put before videos, and they would be nearly impossible to remove). What browser are you using?
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#145777 - keldon - Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:02 pm
Yes, very poor design. I was really annoyed with one of my hosts because their control panel did not work on firefox for some strange reason. Worst of all is that they knew!
As for adverts, come on, it wouldn't be free otherwise! Do you really expect them to fund IGN, Rotten Tomato's and any other site at a loss? Second to that is charging for access!
#145781 - mufunyo - Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:43 am
I don't care about ads, and don't use an adblocker. They're a fact of life and I accept that. If you do get annoyed by ads, please, use an adblocker and stop moaning. There are very little people that are willing to waste their own money on running a big site, so they use ads to cover the cost. Whining about it is just sad.
#145784 - keldon - Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:33 am
Ditto! I've never had a problem with ads, of course when you're trying to download ROMZ, WAREZ and BLAH then it is a problem because those sites are crawling with them.
I do hate too many pop ups, they should be banned! That's so 1998 ^_^
#145791 - tepples - Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:31 pm
I don't block ads with any program specific to ads. I just block SWF except on a few whitelisted sites. Let them serve all the ads they want; they just have to be text, PNG, JPEG, or GIF, or I won't see them.
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#145798 - keldon - Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:59 pm
Good split!
I personally see right through them, so I don't really notice them there. Maybe when banner blindness is listed as a disability and I can get my cinema discount and railcard ^_^
#145823 - HyperHacker - Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:18 am
| keldon wrote: |
| As for adverts, come on, it wouldn't be free otherwise! Do you really expect them to fund IGN, Rotten Tomato's and any other site at a loss? Second to that is charging for access! |
| mufunyo wrote: |
| If you do get annoyed by ads, please, use an adblocker and stop moaning. |
Way to totally miss the point. Using an ad blocker doesn't solve the problem, it just means I see a blank splash page instead of one with an ad on it. Ad blockers don't take care of poor design like this. As for hosting costs, it's one thing to put in some ads to cover the bills. It's another thing entirely to say "screw the users, cram ads everywhere, put in some splash pages, popups, moving Flash with sound, 1MB GIF banners, whatever, moneymoneymoney".
Also, does IGN not still charge for access to some content? Or did they drop that?
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#145830 - jetboy - Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:24 pm
| HyperHacker wrote: |
Way to totally miss the point. Using an ad blocker doesn't solve the problem, it just means I see a blank splash page instead of one with an ad on it. Ad blockers don't take care of poor design like this. As for hosting costs, it's one thing to put in some ads to cover the bills. It's another thing entirely to say "screw the users, cram ads everywhere, put in some splash pages, popups, moving Flash with sound, 1MB GIF banners, whatever, moneymoneymoney".
Also, does IGN not still charge for access to some content? Or did they drop that? |
Ever heard about the concept of bussines enterpise? Did ya?
They are companies, they are trying to make money, and so they do.
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#145945 - HyperHacker - Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:18 am
The problem comes when it goes from being a business trying to make money to being a greedy corporation who cares more about their profits than about the quality of their product.
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#145951 - keldon - Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:09 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| The problem comes when it goes from being a business trying to make money to being a greedy corporation who cares more about their profits than about the quality of their product. |
And for what reason would you conclude that? I have seen splash pages, but it is not constant to every page. For example I have not seen a splash page at all from clicking on your link. I even went onto their site (just now) and clicked on several articles, including the Super Mario Galaxy Review - guess what? no splash page at all, and that's for a highly anticipated game.
Now as an exercise, go onto NBC and try to watch an episode of HEROES; it features a splash page style advert within the flash video player (at least it was when I used to use it). Here's another one, look at the HEROES online graphic novel, again Nissan advert on the first page. Listen to the radio, watch a music channel, ads are forced in the same manor as [compulsory] splash pages (that I remind you does not occur in the typical user experience of IGN).
It's not about being greedy, without the advertising revenue they would not exist. Sure you could operate on a purely voluntary basis, but let's be serious; the world is not like that, not at least the competitive world of news media where the quality level of a competitive brand requires a high investment of time and [therefore] money. Think about it, take away advertising and you can say goodbye to 90% of the Internet (including google, youtube, myspace, and facebook).
Edit: Actually that's not entirely true - in theory. In practice a free alternative would require the cooperative efforts on par with the corporate equivalent, but tenfold the amount of people involved (since you are unlikely to have a large amount of full time commitments). So in theory it is more than possible for it to happen, it just would take someone to pursue (and lead) the vision with the right marketing to draw support.