#29012 - expos1994 - Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:00 am
I was on the IRC channel tonight, and some StoneCyqh person starts tearing into we about being a 'warezer'. Really ripping into me. Kind of raised my blood pressure a bit :). Funny how some guy behind a computer can do that to you.
Well anyways, he starts saying all this crap about how I steal from him and I'm a warezer and whatnot. And I'm a pile of sh*t and all that.
So he gets one of his friends who is a channel op to ban me.
I did get kicked out of there once about 6 months ago because I was in a roms channel. I remember it almost to the day because I had just gotten back into GBA Deving and I was downloading commercial ROMs and looking at them in VisualBoy to see how they did certain things. (Maybe that's a crime, but oh well. I wasn't playing them. I was doing research. Besides I've got a bunch of GBA carts and PS2 games and whatnot if I want to play. And who has time to play games anyways when you're making them.) I learned my lesson, I guess, and don't do that anymore.
So anyways, that was like 6 months ago. But this guy is on there telling all these lies, calling me every name under the sun. Saying I was 'warezing' just the other day. And he has the logs. Well I said "show me these logs." and he says, "Shut up! We don't want your kind around here. I don't have to show you anything." Anyways, long story short, I got banned.
So I was just wondering, is that channel affiliated with this website? There doesn't seem to be any attitudes like that around here, and I don't recognize a lot of the names from these forums in the IRC channel. Oh well, I guess I can't go there any more. But who wants to with folks like that there.
Sorry for the rant. Just kind of curious if anyone else has had any experiences like that on the #gbadev channel.
--Chris
PS> I was in a really good mood too, because I had just gotten sound to work in my game. So I went in there and asked if there were any public-domain sound effects that I could use in my game. Oh well.
#29013 - tepples - Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:53 am
| expos1994 wrote: |
| I had just gotten back into GBA Deving and I was downloading commercial ROMs and looking at them in VisualBoy to see how they did certain things. (Maybe that's a crime, but oh well. I wasn't playing them. I was doing research. Besides I've got a bunch of GBA carts |
You should have ripped those if you wanted to study them, rather than downloading random crap from the Internet.
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| And who has time to play games anyways when you're making them. |
Agreed, unless you consider it your life goal to clone every NES and SNES tris/puyo style puzzle game in open source for PC and GBA.
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#29022 - DiscoStew - Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:54 am
Is this guy named StoneCypher? For some reason I've seen that name before somewhere else, but I can't recall. He has an account on these forums, but he hasn't made a single post (taken from the member list as of this date and time).
Not to be rude, but if you're downloading stuff like commercial roms, then you would be considered a "warezer", even if it was for a good cause like studying them as you described. But since that was back in the day 6 months ago, we'll just push that aside and not talk about that.
I wonder...how would this StoneCypher guy know you were on a roms channel unless he were in it too? I've never been on any IRC channel before, so I don't know how it goes. If there is one thing I hate about people making such accusations like StoneCypher made is that they are usually covering up something very similar to their accusations on others, plus I hate short, unintelligent, immature responses.
If you use the IRC for assistance in your GBA deving, just stay and post here. Although you won't get as quick a response as in the IRC, which I would imagine, we do try to help anyone who asks. All we ask for is enough information to go on to help solve the problem.
As for yor request about sfx, I know there are a bunch of web sites that have free sfx. Google for them.
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#29027 - keldon - Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:33 am
I never like people being immature on chat rooms; especially when they have banning abilities. He probably knew you was in the roms section by putting a bot in there.
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| You should have ripped those if you wanted to study them, rather than downloading random crap from the Internet. |
Does it make any difference? Besides not everyone at the time of wanting to rip their game has the equipment to do so.
I think people can take an idea a step too far in the wrong direction. I've bought a lot of games I did not like and returned them back to the shop by 10 day (mine allow you to do that). I really cannot see the financial, or logical differences between me downloading them and erasing them after 10 days, especially if I was to rip the game while I had the cartridge.
Of course there are people who buy games and complete them within 10 days to return them, so that they end up with a free game. Those are the people who download games for free so that they don't have to pay.
#29028 - MumblyJoe - Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:39 am
I have had the exact same problem with the exact same person, StoneCypher. He is a dick, plain and simple. He is such a self rightous prick that he actually sits in a certain rom channel and bans people who go there when they enter #gbadev. He did this to me and then banned me every time he saw me after that, so I only go there occasionally now (he isn't there alot of the time).
To make it absolutely clear - yes I was downloading roms when this happened to me, and I had every intention of playing them and never buying them, because thats what I do. However I stick by my claiming that what I do seperate to the gbadev community is my damn business.
expos1994: If you have any problems with the irc channel like this again, feel free to ask your questions here instead (where everyone is generally helpful) or email me or private message me and I will do my best to help you, because you have done nothing wrong and I fucking hate StoneCypher for banning me a couple of times while I was having conversations about coding and was not in any warez channels.
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#29032 - NoMis - Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:01 am
| MumblyJoe wrote: |
To make it absolutely clear - yes I was downloading roms when this happened to me, and I had every intention of playing them and never buying them, because thats what I do. However I stick by my claiming that what I do seperate to the gbadev community is my damn business.
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Agreed. I can't see a bannable offense, as long as you don't bring this stuff up in the gbadev channel itself.
NoMis
#29085 - crossraleigh - Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:39 am
In response to the subject, I believe BigRedPimp (BigRedPmp with EFNet nick constraints) heads #gbadev, but there are several other operators that have plenty of power over the bots.
StoneCyph has been on the GBA homebrew scene since the beginning; he's pretty respected in #gbadev. It's my understanding that he declined +o status to avoid all the associated hassles. Needless to say, if you quarrel with him in the channel, it's likely you'll be on the losing end. (BTW, DiscoStew, you may have seen his name on the Y! group or DS Wiki.) If your interested, his site was at http://sinistar.sparked.net/ but it appears that http://sc.tri-bit.com/ is his new home.
It is certainly the policy of the channel (and this site) to avoid all warez and stay strictly development oriented. Perhaps you could better sympathize with the policies of #gbadev if you understood the problems it has had with pirate channels and harassment. It's more than just a priggish avoidance of leechers.
NoMis and MumblyJoe, I guess you know about the two-strike rule? If not you can read about it in the channel rules.
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| So I was just wondering, is that channel affiliated with this website? |
I can't answer for this site, but I've noted both SimonB and luna_s are +v in the channel and I'm sure could be +o if they liked.
#29086 - DiscoStew - Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:21 am
Well, I am guessing by rule #13 that there is a way to check if someone is on a particular channel, like a warez channel, but isn't that going by a 2 strike rule? According to that, you'd have to be caught twice to be banned. How long do bans last? Forever? Or only a certain amount of time? If expos1994 had been allowed back in and hasn't been caught recently (no proof), why should he be banned from breaking the rules months ago? Unless you've been caught again expos1994, you shouldn't be banned again.
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| 6) No defamatory comments of any kind towards fellow chanmates. Any fighting will not be tolerated and should be moved to a private channel or a privmsg. If you are warned more than twice, you will be banned. |
If expos1994 is correct that StoneCypher has been spreading lies and such, wouldn't he get strikes/banned under this rule? Even if he knows an op there, shouldn't the op question him about the accusations? I say innocent until proven guilty, not vice versa.
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#29092 - SimonB - Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:05 am
| crossraleigh wrote: |
| I can't answer for this site, but I've noted both SimonB and luna_s are +v in the channel and I'm sure could be +o if they liked. |
Indeed you can't. I havent been in that channel in over a year. Maybe the irc server you are on is so lagged that I still show up in the nicklist? heh
Simon
#29094 - StoneCypher - Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:05 am
Sometimes it's funny what lengths to which someone will go to appear correct. Other times, it's just sad.
DiscoStew: it's not defamatory if it's true. As far as how long they last, it has a lot to do with how big a dick the person was about it. That should tell you how long this one's lasting.
Raleigh: actually, simonb used to own the channel.
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#29095 - R0d Longfella - Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:03 pm
I smell, someone has just made it's first post,.,... whoha
#29096 - MumblyJoe - Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:15 pm
Ahah, the infamous StoneCypher replies.
Perhaps some people go to such lengths to prove they are correct because they believe they are. As for you, I remember your "This conversation is over" attitude when you banned me a couple of times. Your a power mad jerk, which is especially funny because you hold no real power over anything. Enjoy.
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#29097 - keldon - Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:16 pm
| StoneCypher wrote: |
| DiscoStew: it's not defamatory if it's true. As far as how long they last, it has a lot to do with how big a dick the person was about it. That should tell you how long this one's lasting. |
It is not my room or choice, but I do not agree with the length of ban being detirmined by how annoying someone seems to you, especially when they, under your knowledge, wish to learn about programming.
#29099 - MumblyJoe - Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:48 pm
I forgot to mention something before. Don't worry, I'm done picking on StoneCypher.
Anyone banned can always just use a different name, ident etc and still talk in the channel. I have several times.
As for the length of the ban, the bans are cleared periodically, but if someone who bans you sees you again they will likely ban you again, hence the name/ident change.
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#29102 - SimonB - Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:42 pm
| MumblyJoe wrote: |
| Anyone banned can always just use a different name, ident etc and still talk in the channel. I have several times. |
Even though ban evasion might not be in all server rules it is considered bad behaviour and many ircops will k-line you for it, which I fully support. Access to any channels on Eris Free is a privilege and not a right. If the operators of a channel doesnt want you in there FOR WHATEVER REASON it is their choice, not yours. If you dont like how a channel is run you should start your own channel (or /quit).
That being said, there is a reason why I am not in any IRC channels anymore :)
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