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DS Misc > beup (MSN Messenger client): now with source code!

#87334 - kevinc - Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:25 pm

Um, hi guys, sorry for not replying. Yes, I'm still alive and well :), but I hadn't had much time to reply here, too much to do at my uni.

The next version is done, it includes display pictures, ink support, some sounds (any idea on where to get wavs?), some bug fixes, and source code (so you can recompile it against the ever changing wifi-lib). I'll be travelling tonight (to the World Cup!), so I'll release it around friday when I'm back.

#87343 - falcon!!! - Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:03 pm

great! I'm happy you're ok!

As for the wav.... Look into the Messenger folder in Programs folder ;)

I'm looking forward to try your next release (on friday ^^ )

bye

#87384 - kevinc - Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:10 pm

netriones wrote:
Doing handshake...
Finished handshake...
Asking for auth token...
Got it. Authenticating...
SSL connect failed.
Authentication failed.


it always like this, why? I entered the correct username and password.


I'm sorry for this message, it's kinda annoying, I get it too sometimes. The thing is, nobody has ported yet a fully functioning SSL engine to the DS, and they seem to get cranky about how the sockets work, what alignment the structs have (which are sometimes different, and the ARM compiler may pad structs, confusing the program), and other random stuff. The one I'm using, and which I chose because I could understand at least a few parts of the code, doesn't seem the best solution, but it's the only one I got...

Is anyone working on one?

#87413 - HtheB - Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:58 pm

kevinc wrote:
netriones wrote:
Doing handshake...
Finished handshake...
Asking for auth token...
Got it. Authenticating...
SSL connect failed.
Authentication failed.


it always like this, why? I entered the correct username and password.


I'm sorry for this message, it's kinda annoying, I get it too sometimes. The thing is, nobody has ported yet a fully functioning SSL engine to the DS, and they seem to get cranky about how the sockets work, what alignment the structs have (which are sometimes different, and the ARM compiler may pad structs, confusing the program), and other random stuff. The one I'm using, and which I chose because I could understand at least a few parts of the code, doesn't seem the best solution, but it's the only one I got...

Is anyone working on one?


he revived!!! :D


Offtopic: which match are you going to watch? :)

On topic: kevinc... check your PM about the sounds :)

#87419 - swimgod - Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:12 pm

LOL,
i got an idea :D,
how about enable nudge :D...
lol with the metroid prime pinball thing :D...

that would be so funny :P
also all the wav's are in msn messager main folder in program files...

i suggest you have a config file that lets you choice which sounds to activate...
also maybe have it read from shell folder (from moonshell...)
and make a beup folder in that to store all the audio files
so people can choice which sounds :)...

i guess it would be also good if you build the some default sounds into the app too...
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#87429 - kevinc - Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:54 pm

swimgod wrote:
LOL,
i got an idea :D,
how about enable nudge :D...


While in my good old days I did manage to make a flash player for the DS, it's waaaay too resource intensive. And considering that 1MB of memory are blown only in code/bitmaps/sounds, I doubt I'd be able to make it fit :D

Quote:
which match are you going to watch? :)


Ecuador vs Costa Rica (go Ecuador!). I was kinda hopeless on Ecuador, but seeing how they defeated Poland 2-0 (and during which the trainer managed to take off his shoe, smell it, put it on his ear, shake it and then seeing inside in front of ~50 million people), I'll see if we finally make it to the second round :D

#87461 - strongesthylian - Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:54 am

Beup works perfectly on my DS. I launched it using DSOrganize.

One suggestion I can think of at the moment, could you make it so that the keys on the keyboard light up a different color when you press them, that way you know that the right key is being pressed?

#87482 - Nushio - Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:02 am

kevinc wrote:
swimgod wrote:
LOL,
i got an idea :D,
how about enable nudge :D...


While in my good old days I did manage to make a flash player for the DS, it's waaaay too resource intensive. And considering that 1MB of memory are blown only in code/bitmaps/sounds, I doubt I'd be able to make it fit :D

Quote:
which match are you going to watch? :)


Ecuador vs Costa Rica (go Ecuador!). I was kinda hopeless on Ecuador, but seeing how they defeated Poland 2-0 (and during which the trainer managed to take off his shoe, smell it, put it on his ear, shake it and then seeing inside in front of ~50 million people), I'll see if we finally make it to the second round :D


I really like your program, but never really got to use it.

Nudges arent flash thingies. They are screen shakes. He suggested you use the rumble pack from Metroid Prime pinball or the WairoWareTwisted to get the shakes done right. I doubt its any use though.

#87483 - swimgod - Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:13 am

Nushio wrote:
kevinc wrote:
swimgod wrote:
LOL,
i got an idea :D,
how about enable nudge :D...


While in my good old days I did manage to make a flash player for the DS, it's waaaay too resource intensive. And considering that 1MB of memory are blown only in code/bitmaps/sounds, I doubt I'd be able to make it fit :D

Quote:
which match are you going to watch? :)


Ecuador vs Costa Rica (go Ecuador!). I was kinda hopeless on Ecuador, but seeing how they defeated Poland 2-0 (and during which the trainer managed to take off his shoe, smell it, put it on his ear, shake it and then seeing inside in front of ~50 million people), I'll see if we finally make it to the second round :D


I really like your program, but never really got to use it.

Nudges arent flash thingies. They are screen shakes. He suggested you use the rumble pack from Metroid Prime pinball or the WairoWareTwisted to get the shakes done right. I doubt its any use though.

yeah,
i wouldn't think it would take up any ram it all since it just sends a simple command...
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#87485 - spacepirate - Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:36 am

Ah, good to see you, kevinc!

Since everyone else has been posting feature requests, I'll post mine:

Improved keyboard (make keys light up when pressed, more accurate keypress detection if possible).

Remove the need to double tap to select your status (Available, away, etc.) if possible.

Add the ability to save settings to a config file.

None of these are very major, but they would be nice additions. Improvements in connection reliability would be nice but I think that's mostly the wifilib's fault. Thanks for continuing to develop this great program!
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#87493 - thundrestrike - Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:09 am

i agree with those suggestions above, and I have something to point out


you guys are talking about using the rumble pak for nudge. well... er... don't you have a flashcart in the gba slot?

>.<
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#87495 - tepples - Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:10 am

thundrestrike wrote:
you guys are talking about using the rumble pak for nudge. well... er... don't you have a flashcart in the gba slot?

Remember pak-swapping from the N64 era?
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#87496 - thundrestrike - Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:11 am

nope, not really... why?
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#87498 - tepples - Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:19 am

The idea is to load beup, yank the CF or SD card, and plug in a Rumble Pak.
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#87499 - thundrestrike - Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:33 am

too much trouble.

just make it play a sound and shake the screen. way easier.
(you can tel i dont have a rumble pak)
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#87503 - Nushio - Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:58 am

Or you could load it via WMB.

I also think that the keyboard should light up.

Welcome back btw Kevinc, we feared the worst and thought this program was going to be discontinued :(

Regarding SSL, ask Bafio, he might know since he's working on one for NDSMail.

#87506 - Sebbo - Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:06 am

yeah, the keys on the keyboard definantly need to be lit up when pressed, and the keyboard being bigger couldn't hurt either
i also agree that a config file for the CF/SD card users would be nice, but its not strictly necessary (yet)
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#87508 - MaHe - Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:20 am

Nushio wrote:
Welcome back btw Kevinc, we feared the worst and thought this program was going to be discontinued :(
Nobody feared the worst when AgentQ and Mighty Max were missing for several months ... :/
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#87520 - HtheB - Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:27 am

well.. kevinc is gone now... but I have an idea.. he could change the buttons:

use the D-pad for the cursor (so you dont have to touch the place when you write something wrong.. its very annoying)
L and R for Screen swapping
Select+Start for disconnect
Y (Nudge function?)
X for close the window (its allready done)
B for quick backspace
A for quick sending the message

there are even other important tings too:

SCROLLING!!!!!!

you cant read the latest messages :(
(so if you miss something.. you cant get it back :D)

nudge function is not so hard as far as I know, you only need the code that will send the nudge :)

another important thing:

Changing the nickname by touching on it

oh and uh.. there is plenty space on the lowerscreen, so the keyboard can be larger/bigger :)

and yes.. the latest thing: SOUNDS! :D


any other ideas? :D

#87537 - chishm - Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:57 am

MSN supports voice chat. It also supports recording a wav file and sending it to the other person. The DS has a microphone...
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#87538 - Sebbo - Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:06 am

just remembered that beup actually fully crashed on me during a long convo with someone. the screens swapped and it wouldn't respond to anything. sorry i can't provide any more info than that
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#87541 - HtheB - Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:54 am

chishm wrote:
MSN supports voice chat. It also supports recording a wav file and sending it to the other person. The DS has a microphone...
yes.. totally for get this one! :)
this will be awsome to :)
so.. kevinc... I hope Ecuador will win, so you can continue on this project with a big smile on your face :)

#87580 - D-loader - Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:47 pm

thundrestrike wrote:
i agree with those suggestions above, and I have something to point out


you guys are talking about using the rumble pak for nudge. well... er... don't you have a flashcart in the gba slot?

>.<


Not when I'm using my MK2 =)

#87613 - mrsaturn - Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:49 pm

Source code is an AWESOME idea. I want a look at that like nobodies business.

#87637 - D-loader - Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:45 pm

well, for the source-code I would like to have a look at the connectionroutine, but thats about it.

Looking foward to the next version ^^

#87653 - thundrestrike - Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:41 pm

i cant wait for sound :)
sound makes gameplay funner somehow :D
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#87667 - Durandle - Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:36 pm

lol so MSN is now a game?!

#87676 - Darkflame - Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:03 am

I vote for Banjo-Kazooie style sound effects every time a new message appears!
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#87679 - thundrestrike - Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:19 am

Durandle wrote:
lol so MSN is now a game?!


bahh!!! I meant to put that in the picodrive thread :O!!

(i was wondering where my message was...)
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#87735 - stingfist - Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:21 am

Please add the ability to manage your contacts, adding, removing, blocking people, changing your own nickname, a bigger keyboard, a smiley button above the keyboard, and a block button.

Did I mention a bigger keyboard? Please :)

Thanks for coming back as well kevinc!

#87737 - Darkflame - Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:08 am

How about increaseing capatibility/stablity then adding fancy features ;)

Allthough I agree with bigger keyboard.
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#87739 - HtheB - Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:18 am

stingfist wrote:
Did I mention a bigger keyboard?
just wait untill friday, when kevinc is back :)

I'll contact him :)

I made a idea list form him...
(like the one I mention it before on one of my post in this topic)


:)

just wait.. and lets hope Ecuador wins today b/c he will have a BIG smile on his face... So he can program with good mood ;)
(he's gone to the World Cup :D)

#87747 - wdawn - Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:39 pm

why dont first make it WORK with DHCP !!!
I have a pc at home for msn, dont need a DS for that.

I need to retry 20 times before i get a ip-adress when i want to use it outside :S..
I thaught yes an MOBILE msn, but whats the use of it when u can only use it at home with a static Ip-adres..

Sorry for the flame but i dont understand why nothing can be done about the DHCP problem

#87748 - Durandle - Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:02 pm

I think I'm right in thinking the DHCP problem is in the WiFi Lib not this app.

#87754 - D-loader - Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:42 pm

HtheB wrote:

.. and lets hope Ecuador wins today b/c he will have a BIG smile on his face... So he can program with good mood ;)
(he's gone to the World Cup :D)


He will, there are 8 minutes left, and its 2 - 0 to Ecuador.

#87757 - cano - Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:54 pm

It's finish the ecuador has win 3-0 !!! good news for Kevinc !!

#87762 - HtheB - Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:25 pm

oke..
kevinc has a BIG smile on his face :D

now let US smile too kevinc! :D

#87766 - falcon!!! - Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:46 pm

lol

but why should he support ecuador?

#87789 - MaHe - Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:25 pm

Because maybe it's his country? >_>

Anyways, kevinc, compile beup with the latest WiFi Lib, please, because SgStair fixed plenty of bugs ^_^
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#87796 - falcon!!! - Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:02 pm

he lives in germany...

#87845 - HtheB - Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:20 pm

falcon!!! wrote:
he lives in germany...
I live in the Netherlands.. and Im Turkish... so what? :D

#87847 - MaHe - Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:31 pm

falcon!!! wrote:
he lives in germany...
Oh, then maybe he's just a big fan of Ecuador (I don't care myself, since I don't watch soccer/football), there are a lot of Brasilian fans in my country ;)

Anyways, I don't think that's important. :)
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#87855 - HtheB - Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:37 pm

MaHe wrote:
falcon!!! wrote:
he lives in germany...
Oh, then maybe he's just a big fan of Ecuador (I don't care myself, since I don't watch soccer/football), there are a lot of Brasilian fans in my country ;)

Anyways, I don't think that's important. :)


http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=9881 go here for WC06 :D

#87874 - tepples - Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:56 am

It's not that unusual to be a fan of some other country's team. Consider this if you're familiar with NBA basketball: there are Los Angeles Lakers fans who live in Fort Wayne, which is geographically closer to the Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons, and Chicago Bulls.
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#87893 - HaXor88 - Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:21 am

yeah yeah, you all just keep chit-chatting about your whereabouts but hey: It's Friday!!! Today the new BeUp will be released :D:D:D

(ps: I am also from Holland :p)

#87899 - cano - Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:04 am

it's the D-Day !!

#87903 - ghaxaq - Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:57 am

Where is kevinc I've been waiting for this update..Maybe he is still sleeping lol.

He'd better post the new download link cause I am alot impatient and looking forward for this version.

#87904 - falcon!!! - Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:05 pm

sorry.
I now understood that he was talking about Germany 2006! Wasnt he?

SO that's why he wanted ecuador to win

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#87913 - cano - Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:29 pm

kevinc one waits more than you

#87927 - HtheB - Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:52 pm

HaXor88 wrote:
(ps: I am also from Holland :p)
Hup Holland Hup :P

#87931 - cano - Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:12 pm

No, Go France, go france (je suis francais)

#87933 - HaXor88 - Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:20 pm

Mwahahaha Holland is so gonna loose.. :( Can't wait for the game, it starts in about 40 minutes... I sure hope they'll win but with Argentinia beating the crap out of Servia-Montenegro with 6-0 there is little hope... But little is not nothing eh :D:D

#87937 - HtheB - Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:35 pm

please continue here :)

http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=9881

#87948 - HaXor88 - Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:52 pm

k dude :) i will. Hey... it's like evening and still no word of Antonio (kevinc)... Could he have been killed by hooligans, roaming in the streets of germany? Well, hell, tomorrow is also fine with me :D

#87956 - D-loader - Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:34 pm

Calm down people, it will be out soon enough @_@;;;

#87959 - HtheB - Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:02 pm

D-loader wrote:
Calm down people, it will be out soon enough @_@;;;
hahahah :D
22 pages allready in a very short time :D

#87971 - Grupstra - Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:36 pm

I think its reasons like this that people don't usually like to give solid dates on a new release! @_@;

#87974 - A2hok - Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:04 pm

What do you think he's included in the new version coming?

I cant wait!
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#87975 - AnalogMan - Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:09 pm

Maybe he's trying to incorperate the new Wifi Lib so it's taking a little longer (imagine, rock-solid comunication).

Wonder if he enable avatars... >__>

#87979 - HaXor88 - Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:19 pm

haha O RLY? avatars? i think that will be in the 12th release or so,, cmon you can't expect that. only smileys would allready be a giant leap in his development :D

#87989 - Dan2552 - Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:40 pm

I hope the new libs fix the problems..

#87990 - thundrestrike - Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:53 pm

theres another wifi lib out? already?

where was I? last time .3 came out, there was alot of hubub
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#87993 - cano - Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:24 pm

it's 22:23 and there are nothing, so i think the new release is not for today...

#87995 - swimgod - Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:39 pm

cano wrote:
it's 22:23 and there are nothing, so i think the new release is not for today...

well if you didn't know...
diffrent people live in diffrent time zones :P...
so what may be 10:30pm there could be 8:30am somewhere else...

so just wait :P
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#87998 - cano - Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:46 pm

but Kevinc lives in Germany so for us (who lives in Europe) the release is not for today but for you (usa, etc...) it's another thing...

#88055 - falcon!!! - Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:43 am

let's hope for today ;)

#88062 - HaXor88 - Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:58 am

yeah.... let's do that.... /fade_hope
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#88063 - cano - Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:58 am

yes, i cross my fingers... ;)

#88087 - falcon!!! - Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:07 pm

sigh

#88088 - cano - Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:11 pm

:'( i have no patience...

#88100 - HtheB - Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:47 pm

cano wrote:
:'( i have no patience...
So am I

#88103 - thundrestrike - Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:53 pm

is there a new wifi-lib coming out soon?
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#88104 - HtheB - Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:57 pm

thundrestrike wrote:
is there a new wifi-lib coming out soon?
ask stephan :D

#88106 - ghaxaq - Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:58 pm

Where did he go I've been waiting the whole day for this.He is still celebrating Ecuador's Win with his friends I think.

#88111 - thundrestrike - Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:06 pm

HtheB wrote:
thundrestrike wrote:
is there a new wifi-lib coming out soon?
ask stephan :D

what if I asked you?
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#88119 - MaHe - Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:30 pm

thundrestrike wrote:
is there a new wifi-lib coming out soon?
No, it's not going to 'come out'. It's updated regulary via CVS.
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#88122 - Dudu.exe - Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:40 pm

i?ve finaly tested it.. it works great!!!

great app.. i cant hardly wait for the new version!
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#88132 - thundrestrike - Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:59 pm

MaHe wrote:
thundrestrike wrote:
is there a new wifi-lib coming out soon?
No, it's not going to 'come out'. It's updated regulary via CVS.

sooo... its still gonna be wifi-lib 0.3?
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#88140 - tepples - Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:53 pm

Even in CVS, releases can "come out" when a branch is cut.
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#88166 - cano - Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:15 pm

So it's not yet for today

#88168 - HtheB - Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:17 pm

cano wrote:
So it's not yet for today
:( :( :( kevinc... :'(

#88188 - HaXor88 - Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:59 pm

[hope_gone] meh meh meh.. That's already 2 days late [/hope_gone]

#88233 - falcon!!! - Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:32 am

it's already sunday.
I think he should not have said "i think i will release it on friday".
Better was not to say anything...
We're waiting for too much time :(

#88244 - HtheB - Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:15 am

24 pages allready and still no kevinc :( :P

#88246 - Nuja - Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:23 am

lol, be patient. You 're not about to die xD. If u can't wait just think that he makes u wait to fix some issues :D or/and features to it.

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#88247 - devmani - Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:48 am

Hey,guys. Calm down.
Sometimes nothing goes as planned anyway.
Just wait. We have already had the nice MSN client anyway.
Patience is a virtue.

#88257 - darkgilson - Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:27 am

I agree with you...

I use Beup every day (in secret... I can't go to my computer in this time :D )

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#88276 - cano - Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:03 pm

Sunday and nothing... :(

#88326 - falcon!!! - Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:05 pm

maybe he was talking about next friday :\

#88356 - HtheB - Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:10 am

darkgilson wrote:
I agree with you...

I use Beup every day (in secret... I can't go to my computer in this time :D )

Darkgilson
ahahahah :D yeah :D
i know :D

#88397 - cano - Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:18 am

in same time, he says
Quote:
The next version is done, it includes display pictures, ink support, some sounds (any idea on where to get wavs?), some bug fixes, and source code (so you can recompile it against the ever changing wifi-lib). I'll be travelling tonight (to the World Cup!), so I'll release it around friday when I'm back.

Around friday is not friday even... so it's can be maybe today, or tomorrow...

#88400 - HtheB - Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:24 am

maybe he's attacked by hooligans :D

#88445 - cano - Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:04 pm

maybe tomorrow...

#88463 - HtheB - Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:54 pm

cano wrote:
maybe tomorrow...
this topic has turned into a spam topic xD

haha... maybe the day after tomorrow? :D

#88480 - HaXor88 - Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:24 pm

.. or the day after the day after tomorrow (hey thats a title of a southpark episode :D)

#88481 - tepples - Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:24 pm

Except the perfect storm happens the day after tomorrow.
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