#91287 - clone dad - Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:00 am
I just returned my ds on the last return day, and they actually gave me ten dollars extra. now, should I go ahead and switch to DS lite? are there any negatives about it? does it make homebrewing harder? it won't cost me any extra to make the switch(cuz they gave me that extra 10 dollars)
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#91292 - tepples - Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:55 am
Homebrew on DS Lite is no harder than homebrew on a DS classic with v4 firmware. You can use a NoPass and a GBAMP v2 to install the latest version of FlashMe (see the stickies in DS Flash Equipment). Don't worry about losing light adjustment, as if FlashMe detects your power management chip as being the one used in the Lite, it will install a version of the firmware that supports light adjustment.
The major difference between the DS classic (with recent firmware) and the DS Lite is that the DS Lite's firmware implements DS Download Play more strictly, which interferes with using FireFly's wmb.exe with signed demos.
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#91294 - Abcd1234 - Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:03 am
TBH, given the existence of NoPass devices and the risk of shorting the Lite during the flashing process, FlashMe doesn't seem particularly useful anymore. Sure, it removes the health warning screen and allows you to run unsigned WMB code, but those don't seem like compelling enough reasons to risk ruining your DS.
#91296 - outphase - Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:08 am
| Abcd1234 wrote: |
| TBH, given the existence of NoPass devices and the risk of shorting the Lite during the flashing process, FlashMe doesn't seem particularly useful anymore. Sure, it removes the health warning screen and allows you to run unsigned WMB code, but those don't seem like compelling enough reasons to risk ruining your DS. |
if you can't figure out how to use the recovery function, you shouldn't be messing with unsigned DS code in the first place
#91298 - tepples - Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:14 am
Three reasons: - Unlike FlashMe, NoPass doesn't have the recovery function. (Some especially newer Nintendo DS classic units have a firmware chip configured to be bricker-proof; are all Lites' firmware chips this way?) With compatible SLOT-2 cards, this recovery function lets the user complete an aborted FlashMe installation that had passed 5 percent.
- NoPass increases wear and tear on SLOT-1 if you often alternate between homebrew and commercial games, unlike FlashMe that lets one just leave Tetris in the DS and forget about it.
- Until homebrew solutions for HTTP Download Play become stable, some developers find FlashMe's ability to receive unsigned code through DS Download Play more useful than repeatedly playing musical CF cards.
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#91305 - bessiebenny - Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:40 am
I have both a phat DS and a DSL and I can say DSL is WAY better.
DSL's LCD is sooo much brighter, it's worth it just coz of the screen alone.
Everything else about the DSL is same. (Other than size , weight , charger)
So you can do everything and more with DSL that you can do with old DS.
#91423 - zzo38computer - Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:41 am
I find the original DS much better, the button position of SELECT and START is better, and SL1 doesn't break as easily as DS Lite, and I also heard that the direction pad on DS-Lite doesn't always work properly, especially diagonally.
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#91450 - Lynx - Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:44 am
Hmm.. When I first saw the DSL, I thought it was the stupidest thing ever.. Than, some guy released a FlashMe video that was just rediculous.. so I had to buy one to update my site(s).. Now that I have one.. I use it the most. Sure, the brighter screens are nice.. but not really needed.. Sure.. it's smaller and more compact.. but.. I don't know.. I just like the feel of it better.. Probably because it is incased in clear plastic? I don't know.. I just like it better.. and the placement of the Start and Select have not been an issue at all, which again.. I thought was totally stupid when I first saw it.
So, basically, I went from hating it (before owning one) to loving it (after purchasing) and use it all the time now. And really.. I don't completely know why.. :/
As for shorting SL1, I don't know how anyone could have a problem with it, as long as they wrap whatever they are using with tape to insulate it.. as I think it is really shorting against the case.. which doesn't make sense at all as it is plastic, which is normally an insulator.. but, after looking at it.. I doubt people were hitting the screw next to it.. it's pretty confined/seperated.
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#91456 - wintermute - Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:31 am
| Lynx wrote: |
As for shorting SL1, I don't know how anyone could have a problem with it, as long as they wrap whatever they are using with tape to insulate it.. as I think it is really shorting against the case.. which doesn't make sense at all as it is plastic, which is normally an insulator.. but, after looking at it.. I doubt people were hitting the screw next to it.. it's pretty confined/seperated. |
Some people think that it's shorting against the metal shield of the gba cart slot. I don't have a dslite to check with yet.
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#91567 - Lynx - Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:29 pm
Well, unless their DS-Lite is totally different from mine.. there is no way.
I look down the hole.. and on the top and bottom side.. the plastic goes all the way to the circuit board. On the right.. it almost goes all the way. but the space between SL1 and that potentiometer is to far for it to be shorting with that.. I can't see how anything could be stuck at such an angle that it would be able to touch anything other than SL1..
If I look at the left side.. it doesn't go all the way down to the circuit board either, but I can't see anything next to it... again.. I don't know if you could put anything in at an angle enought to short against anything other than SL1..
So.. what's left? I don't see a multimeter around me... and I'm to lazy to get up to check the conductivity of the case.. I personally have no idea what is causing it to turn off.. but I used my old ground down nail in the hole.. which, being a perfect fit for the hole.. has no way of touching anything other than SL1 and the case.. and was able to make the DS-Lite turn off.. so I'm still thinking that the case might have a conductive quality.. I'll check it some day.
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#91569 - Abcd1234 - Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:32 pm
| tepples wrote: |
Three reasons: - Unlike FlashMe, NoPass doesn't have the recovery function. (Some especially newer Nintendo DS classic units have a firmware chip configured to be bricker-proof; are all Lites' firmware chips this way?) With compatible SLOT-2 cards, this recovery function lets the user complete an aborted FlashMe installation that had passed 5 percent.
- NoPass increases wear and tear on SLOT-1 if you often alternate between homebrew and commercial games, unlike FlashMe that lets one just leave Tetris in the DS and forget about it.
- Until homebrew solutions for HTTP Download Play become stable, some developers find FlashMe's ability to receive unsigned code through DS Download Play more useful than repeatedly playing musical CF cards.
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IMHO, number 1 on that list is about the only legitimate reason to bother with FlashMe. The idea that you'll wear out your NDS slot is laughable... last I checked, every time I wanted to change regular NDS games, I had to switch the cart out.
As for download play, I'm not aware of any NDS developers using Wifime as their primary development mechanism, though I'm very likely mistaken on that front... it's certainly convenient, but it requires you to go through the rigamarole of tracking down a wifi card with a very specific chipset. I fail to see how it's worth the hassle, especially since you must already own a programmable cart of some description in order to install flashme in the first place.
As for the recovery capability, for people who are primarily doing homebrew *development*, the recovery function is only marginally useful. Speaking for myself, I spend more time writing code for my DS than I do downloading it. And if I were to run downloaded code on an unflashed DS, I'd either compile it myself, or I make sure someone else has run it first. *shrug*
But, with all that said, I own an original DS that's been flashed, but only because I started DS dev'ing before commerial PassMe type devices were really widespread, and so wifime + flashme was the easiest way to go.
#91575 - tepples - Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:18 am
| Abcd1234 wrote: |
| As for download play, I'm not aware of any NDS developers using Wifime as their primary development mechanism, though I'm very likely mistaken on that front |
It appears you are mistaken. Search this board for musical cards, all terms, to see the following:
| headspin wrote: |
| If you are really having problems hot swapping then get yourself a wifi card that will allow you to send your stuff directly to the NDS download play. |
| SeanMon wrote: |
| annoying delay in testing small changes in the code->compile->copy to CF card->run->repeat cycle. |
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| tepples wrote: | | Musical CF cards is the only reliable way of testing each build. |
Or WMB. :-) |
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#91584 - Mr. Picklesworth - Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:14 am
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#91601 - Abcd1234 - Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:22 am
Well, I did say "very likely". :) Though, I maintain that it's still a pain... I had to search all over the place for a wifime-compatible card, and was fortunate to find an older Linksys card on the shelf at a local Best Buy. Granted, it may be the case that new chipsets are becoming supported (I haven't been following that issue too closely). And even though WMB is convenient for development, I'm personally not convinced it's worth it given the potential risks involved in flashing a DS lite, particularly since I know there's projects out there to develop downloaders that will work with any 802.11-compatible AP.
Incidentally, I also neglected to mention the issue of your warrantee being voided if you flash your DS. It's probably not *that* big of a deal, but it's something to keep in mind.
Anyway, it really is a matter of personal choice. Weight the risks and decide for yourself. Regardless, the lite is a terrific device, and definitely worth the purchase if you're happy with buying new dev equipment (which is the other reason I'm personally not upgrading... I'm cheap ;).
#91607 - quadomatic - Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:44 am
if you aren't possessing a DS, then I'd say go with DS Lite. Then go get a NoPass and GBAMPv2 and FlashMe it. I don't see the difficulty with shorting SL1 (maybe it's different on DSLite, i'm not sure). At least for the DS, all you need is a screw with a flat tip. That worked out great for me. I had no difficulties, flashing never paused. It's the best way. FlashMe is great. It's saved so many DSs lately, that I can't see how anyone wouldn't recommend it.
#91641 - cbutters - Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:53 pm
It is amazing how much "image" plays into these things. Everyone has gone crazy over the DS lite because it looks really awesome, refined small and "APPLE" ish. We have seen how people have just gone nuts buying these up. everyone thinks they are the bomb now, I even see people raving about how cool the games are and look great, and that nintendo must have made the hardware faster/better I just think to myself... um.. no.. thats the exact same game that was released 2 years ago on the regular DS, it doesnt play ANY differently, the essential hardware hasnt changed, the only thing that has changed is the 'image' of the DS. Either way im glad people are finally catching on to the DS.
Being 22 and married, I wouldn't have been caught dead carrying around a regular clunky DS brick neither would my 25 year old brother. Not that I care much what other people think, its just carrying around and playing with what looks like a 3 year old child's playtoy kindof screams weirdo and people look at you funny. Now that the DS lite is out, which looks more like some sort of refined PDA, my adult pride can still be left intact ;D since the lite came out, my wife, brother, and my brother's girlfriend have all purchased one. (big brain academy multiplayer is awesome) I wouldn't have seen that happening without the refined trendy look of the New DS.
#91643 - tepples - Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:03 pm
| cbutters wrote: |
| I even see people raving about how cool the games are and look great, and that nintendo must have made the hardware faster/better I just think to myself... um.. no.. thats the exact same game that was released 2 years ago on the regular DS, it doesnt play ANY differently, the essential hardware hasnt changed, the only thing that has changed is the 'image' of the DS. |
And the fact that the new brighter screen puts out a clearer "image". Based on what I've seen of the Lite in a Best Buy store (running NSMB), the brighter screen would make even the old form factor more attractive.
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#91671 - Lynx - Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:08 pm
| Abcd1234 wrote: |
| I had to search all over the place for a wifime-compatible card, and was fortunate to find an older Linksys card on the shelf at a local Best Buy. |
Hmm... How about you do the same for a PassMe1/2 or NoPass? Something tells me.. you are not going to find one. So, if you would have searched the internet for a wifime-compatible card, you would have found out you can get them all over the place.
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#91679 - derula - Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:17 pm
I don't agree DSL is "soooooo" much better. It is brighter and smaller and stuff, okay. but power button sucks (DS might be turned on on pocket) and the case always looks dirty (finger-printy, at least the black DS). I think it's pretty much the same, except that one is cheaper ;)
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#91680 - tepples - Sat Jul 08, 2006 6:37 pm
| Lynx wrote: |
| Abcd1234 wrote: | | I ... was fortunate to find an older Linksys card on the shelf at a local Best Buy. |
Hmm... How about you do the same for a PassMe1/2 or NoPass? Something tells me.. you are not going to find one. |
O RLY? Today I learned that the Best Buy store in the Northcrest shopping center in Fort Wayne, Indiana, carries MAX Media Player, which is the same thing as a MAX Media Dock with a built-in CF card. As soon as the homebrew community cracks the CF access on that one, we're in business.
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#91911 - Lynx - Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:41 pm
You just learned that? I thought it was already well known that some of the Max Media products were available at Best Buy.. but.. I'm talking about PassMe1/2 or a NoPass ONLY device.. There is a big difference between a $20 device and a $60 one.. Specially when you are talking about comparing it to a $20 wifi card.
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#91931 - Apoc - Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:05 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| With compatible SLOT-2 cards, this recovery function lets the user complete an aborted FlashMe installation that had passed 5 percent. |
It's known that the recovery funcion works even when flashme failed at 1%.
#102444 - molopo - Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:14 am
| Quote: |
It is amazing how much "image" plays into these things. Everyone has gone crazy over the DS lite because it looks really awesome, refined small and "APPLE" ish. We have seen how people have just gone nuts buying these up. everyone thinks they are the bomb now, I even see people raving about how cool the games are and look great, and that nintendo must have made the hardware faster/better I just think to myself... um.. no.. thats the exact same game that was released 2 years ago on the regular DS, it doesnt play ANY differently, the essential hardware hasnt changed, the only thing that has changed is the 'image' of the DS. Either way im glad people are finally catching on to the DS.
Being 22 and married, I wouldn't have been caught dead carrying around a regular clunky DS brick neither would my 25 year old brother. Not that I care much what other people think, its just carrying around and playing with what looks like a 3 year old child's playtoy kindof screams weirdo and people look at you funny. Now that the DS lite is out, which looks more like some sort of refined PDA, my adult pride can still be left intact ;D since the lite came out, my wife, brother, and my brother's girlfriend have all purchased one. (big brain academy multiplayer is awesome) I wouldn't have seen that happening without the refined trendy look of the New DS. |
Mister, your grammar stinks for a 22 year old ;0.
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| I don't agree DSL is "soooooo" much better. It is brighter and smaller and stuff, okay. but power button sucks (DS might be turned on on pocket) and the case always looks dirty (finger-printy, at least the black DS). I think it's pretty much the same, except that one is cheaper ;) |
Um...no. "It is brighter and smaller and stuff" is the biggest understatement I've ever come across. Just comparing them side-to-side allows you to see just how much smaller the DSL is. The only way you're going to turn it on in your pocket is if you intentionally stick your hand in your pocket, and slide the power switch. Unless you keep pennies and other junk in your pocket, then you're just an idiot.
FYI: The DS Lite's release price was the same price as the DS when it came out. Sure, they're different in price today, but you're basically paying the same amount of money for a drastically improved device.
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#102445 - TJ - Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:36 am
Somehow I never managed to feel like a child while playing my DS in public...
#102448 - tepples - Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:57 am
| molopo wrote: |
| Quote: | | Being 22 and married, I wouldn't have been caught dead carrying around a regular clunky DS brick neither would my 25 year old brother. |
Mister, your grammar stinks for a 22 year old ;0. |
A 22-year-old from what country?
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