#95395 - FifthE1ement - Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:44 am
Now that the Opera browser is out why doesn't one of the ahcking teams use modify the code and make their own homebrew browser? They could program it so that it usees the flashcart memory or flash media. Does anyone know if this is possible?
FifthE1ement
#95398 - tepples - Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:00 am
| FifthE1ement wrote: |
| Now that the Opera browser is out why doesn't one of the ahcking teams use modify the code and make their own homebrew browser? |
Because rom-hacking isn't what gbadev.org is about.
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#95436 - ?hr - Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:32 pm
"We" are programming on our own. without the help of nintendo. Its illegal to use the Opera Code, nintendo used!
#95463 - thundrestrike - Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:37 pm
| ?hr wrote: |
| "We" are programming on our own. |
so where can i learn about your progress on your browser?
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#95465 - tepples - Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:01 pm
http://retawq.sourceforge.net/
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#95467 - thundrestrike - Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:23 pm
i didnt know that was ?hr's
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#95472 - tepples - Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:08 pm
It's not. I interpreted "your browser" as plural in response to ?hr's use of "we" to represent those who follow the rules of gbadev.org.
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#95487 - thundrestrike - Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:21 pm
you got me good then
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#95514 - ?hr - Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:39 am
"We" is just every happy nds coder which is following the rules of gbadev.org :D
but i would also like to see a real homebrew browser - not only a textbrowser...
#95518 - dualscreenman - Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:22 am
Retawq isn't a real browser?
Only the GANGSTA browsers use CAPTCHA.
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#95531 - thundrestrike - Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:57 am
Is anybody going to start a homebrew graphical browser?
I would gladly look forward to that day.
If anyone has the knowledge, why not give it a shot?
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#95581 - D-loader - Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:59 am
I like retaqw actually, its quite fast and all.. the problem, is the htcp in dslinux current state, I think.. cause I have to reboot quite a few times, to get my script to work x_X;;
anyways.. considering Opera Browser DS uses about 3 minutes to load CNN, -with- a RAM expansion.. I'm not sure it will be possible to make a decent homebrew edition..
( however, some people think its because the browser is running through a proxy in Japan, making the trafic slow down )
#95587 - Dan2552 - Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:56 am
| dualscreenman wrote: |
Retawq isn't a real browser?
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Yeah it is :D
Though, it's not very suitable for DS in my opinion
#95605 - HtheB - Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:31 pm
| thundrestrike wrote: |
Is anybody going to start a homebrew graphical browser?
I would gladly look forward to that day.
If anyone has the knowledge, why not give it a shot? |
well... I saw once screenshots of a ds browser?
(german site)
#95648 - GPFerror - Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:13 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| http://retawq.sourceforge.net/ |
I'v attempted to port this directly to the DS, iv done a port of pdcurses lib to the ds, and have got it compiled, but can only get it to display the retawq about screen, I had loading html files and displaying it working but while trying to get wifi working also, I broke that :( .
All of the opensource browsers that i have looked at use file descriptors for all there socket work, and thats not available in the wifi lib and maybe someone who has more knowledge of wifi and sockets maybe could get it working.
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#95678 - Liter - Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:35 pm
| D-loader wrote: |
anyways.. considering Opera Browser DS uses about 3 minutes to load CNN, -with- a RAM expansion.. I'm not sure it will be possible to make a decent homebrew edition..
( however, some people think its because the browser is running through a proxy in Japan, making the trafic slow down ) |
That would certainly explain the ridiculously slow speed. Well, it's either that or sloppy programming. :)
#95768 - ssj4android - Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:02 am
It would be nice if another computer could do all the processing for the web browser, and just have the DS display it. Is there any way to get the desktop version of Opera to render pages in small screen mode, and easily bring that to the DS?
#95775 - TheChuckster - Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:04 am
| Quote: |
| All of the opensource browsers that i have looked at use file descriptors for all there socket work, and thats not available in the wifi lib and maybe someone who has more knowledge of wifi and sockets maybe could get it working. |
GPF, I did a little research for you about sockets using file descriptors. I found an excellent reference at http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/arpanet/6/cc.htm
Based on this guide, it seems that converting to and from file descriptors and BSD sockets (a la wifi lib) is very easy to do. Hopefully this makes your port more possible. Good luck!
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Relationship Between Sockets and File Descriptors
Socket handles are integer values. In UNIX, socket handles can be passed to most of the low-level POSIX I/O functions. For example:
read(s, buffer, buffer_len);
In the above example, s could be either a socket or file handle. Calling read on an open socket is equivalent to recv and recvfrom. However, if the socket is UDP, then information about the sender of the datagram will not be returned. Similarly the write function call is equivalent to send and sendto. UDP sockets may call connect to use send and write. It's always recommended that the socket library functions be used instead of the file I/O equivalents. |
#95780 - thundrestrike - Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:06 am
concerning the speed of a homebrew browser compared to opera DS,
don't forget that the Ram expansion pack is 1/3 the size of the supercard and M3's built-in ram
;)
I hope to see a port of a graphical browser :D
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#95784 - brennan - Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:16 am
Why does everyone want a graphical browser? Why would you need to display pictures and such on the go?
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#95791 - lambi1982 - Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:18 am
well I didnt want to be the first to say it, but I think alot to do with PORN :)
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#95792 - mrsaturn - Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:18 am
| brennan wrote: |
| Why does everyone want a graphical browser? Why would you need to display pictures and such on the go? |
Porn!
#95794 - spacepirate - Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:45 am
I've tried retawq before and it's not that slow, but then again it is text only...
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#95796 - Mr. Picklesworth - Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:59 am
Yah, Retawq works great for me.
Heck, I'm coming to appreciate text-only browsing since it's so much faster.
I don't have to put up with all those ugly web pages, either! (They all look the same).
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#95800 - tepples - Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:28 am
| brennan wrote: |
| Why would you need to display pictures and such on the go? |
CAPTCHA.
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#95802 - thundrestrike - Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:30 am
whats captcha
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#95810 - tepples - Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:42 am
A blind person's worst nightmare.
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#95816 - bugmenot! - Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:57 am
| ssj4android wrote: |
| It would be nice if another computer could do all the processing for the web browser, and just have the DS display it. Is there any way to get the desktop version of Opera to render pages in small screen mode, and easily bring that to the DS? |
You can do this with Win2Ds (a vnc type application) and Opera for windows (which includes an option to perform small screen rendering so developers can check their sites compatibility). Just resize opera to the DS's screen resolution, and browse away. Even though sending images of web pages to the DS is pretty inefficient in terms of bandwidth, it will render web pages a heck of a lot faster then the DS seems capable of.
I hear you can also setup Win2DS for access outside your wlan so that you could do this on the road, but in my experience Win2DS doesn't perform well with medium-ish latency.
GPF, I would love to see you get Retawq running on the DS as a standalone application. Considering the cpu and screen resolution of the DS, a text based browser actually makes more sense then a graphical browser on the DS in my opinion.
*Note I'm posting this using a bugmenot account. I'm still waiting for my confirmation email to arrive (user 'manbitesdog' if any mods read this and wouldn't mind looking into the delay for me).
#95837 - zedrac - Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:01 am
| bugmenot! wrote: |
GPF, I would love to see you get Retawq running on the DS as a standalone application. Considering the cpu and screen resolution of the DS, a text based browser actually makes more sense then a graphical browser on the DS in my opinion.
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That would be quite good, actually. I tried setting it up with DSLinux, but I couldn't connect to my router...
#95853 - Devil_Spawn - Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:28 am
ahahahhahaaha
i think colour and formatting would be nice, and image placeholders
#95912 - jester - Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:28 pm
The Opera browser probably wont be possible on the homebrew equipment
#95980 - ghaxaq - Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:49 pm
Why do you all want a text browser..If I want to watch my pictures that I recieve in my e-mails when I'm in the bus how do i do that with text based only browser..ASCII?? you're kidding wtf. Nothing is impossible and if it can be done it has to be done.
#95997 - tepples - Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:38 pm
| ghaxaq wrote: |
| pictures that I recieve in my e-mails |
Electronic mail was originally intended to handle text. Some people are reporting receiving image attachments designed to exploit bugs in the image codecs used by Microsoft Internet software.
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| when I'm in the bus |
Buses don't have Wi-Fi, so you have to operate in offline mode. And in that case, you can do so by downloading them on a PC and viewing them in DSOrganize.
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