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I figure a thread where people can post their ideas for ports of old PC software to the DS would be nice. If you can follow my format when posting, that would be nice too...

Name: X-Com: UFO Defence
Viable: Hell yes!
Summary: One of the best games ever made and one that provides endless hours of fun. Plus, a touchscreen interface would be a great bonus.
Where To Start: UFO2000, the mutliplayer open-source UFO project would be a good place, as it has all the info for opening and editing the UFO data files.

Name: TIE Fighter
Viable: Yes
Summary: A good space-sim is just what we need, and TF is one of the best...
Where To Start: A lot of editing tools were released for TF. Their authors would probably be a good source of info...

Name: Darklands
Viable: Possibly
Summary: A classic RPG with a very open scope.
Where To Start: That is the question. Darklands is a very very old game and I've never seen much in the way of tools for it. Technically, a port would be possible, but unraveling the data files might not be so easy.

Name: Civilisation
Viable: Yes
Summary: A classic TBS game that most people have played at some point...
Where To Start: A number of Civ ports to Linux have been done, so they would probably be a good place to start looking...

So, anyone else got any great port ideas...
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Well, as I said before my own projects are on hold until I can overcome my innate laziness...

But doing a remake of Micro would be sweet. Micro was a game on the apple II, where you were trying to cure a patient by driving around in his bloodstream in a miniaturized submarine - removing tumors with a laser, using electrical shocks to stop the heart so that you can pass through the chamber unharmed and releasing medicine if needed. Very good stuff, but I am at a loss of where to find resources for it, as google didn't yield anything.

well their already is CNCDS and another major game coming

I'd like to see a port of tyrian, I know there was a gba version but that really sucked compared to the original version. Also I thought it'd prove interesting to be able to use the touchscreen as you would the mouse.

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Name: TIE Fighter
Viable: Yes
Summary: A good space-sim is just what we need, and TF is one of the best...
Where To Start: A lot of editing tools were released for TF. Their authors would probably be a good source of info...

that would be soo cool with the touchscreen

Ports ports ports... has anyone considered making a new game from scratch?
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Ports ports ports... has anyone considered making a new game from scratch?

a touch of war was created from scratch, that gets no where near the publicity it deserves - whereas PORTS like Doom, get lots and lots of people willing to try it.

well because A touch of war does not get updated regularly

if more people used it, especially the online - they'd be more people to give suggestions and bug reports. Also, the more people, the more the creator would be motivated ;)

A port/clone of Bejeweled would be nice.

Not to mention doing a "port" without the source code is next to impossible.

Not if you do the port from scratch...

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Not if you do the port from scratch...

But then its a clone, not a port

i wonder what happened to that Beats of Rage port for the ds

I really like to see OpenTTD ported to the DS :)

I managed to help inspire someone to port the spectrum classic 'Chaos: the battle of wizards' to DS, and in my book it is awesome. Other than that there are tons of games I would love to see hit the DS. I'll name a few off the top of my head, in no particular order :-

Syndicate
Syndicate Wars
Walker
Cannon Fodder
Heroes Of Might And Magic
Magic The Gathering
Guardian Heroes
Gunstar Heroes
Lazer Squad

HyperHacker wrote:

Ports ports ports... has anyone considered making a new game from scratch?

Fresh games are nice, but they're also a huge investment if you want ton get them to the level of existing games.

Also, when it comes to games like X-Com, and HoMM, the originals really are probably the best place to start.

Why re-invent the wheel, after all :-)

I hear what you're saying though. I too would love it if someone put together some crackingly good homebrew project, something to rival the level of the commercial greats that have been released. However, I don't think that's likely to happen any time soon...
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Well now that we have a port of DOOM for the DS all that is left for me to be content is a port of Duke3D. If memory serves it doesn't require all that much.

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486DX2/66 with 8 megabytes of memory and VGA graphics.
We STRONGLY recommend a good Pentium with 16Mb of memory and PCI local bus video.

Hmm...only thing I can think of is the 8 Megs of Ram issue there. Textures could be halved from like what 64x64 to 32x32...ugly. But probably fine for the DS purposes.

I'd do it myself but,
1. I'm working on an FPS for the PC I want to finish before I die.
2. I just finally got my PassKey so it'll take me some time before I get aquinted with the DS Hardware.

But then again I already know SDL and I believe there's an SDL Port somewhere so with the DS SDL port it's entirely possible.

I'll look into it and see how much time it'll take away from my FPS :P give me your thought too so I'm not going on a wild goose chase. In case somebody else is already working on it, (I don't remember hearing anything) or if it would be too annoying for it's own good.

[UPDATE]
Well upon further consideration and research it appears the DS SDL Port is lacking file system and sound. This makes it less cut and dry than I originally thought. I'll keep doing some research and see what I find out.

Also, the Palm Tungsten Series can run Duke3D at a pretty nice clip just like the PC version. I believe the Palm uses an ARM Processor similar to the DS's so I don't think it would be too much of a problem. Just the ram issue would be the only thing I can think of.
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Erm, a port of Duke3D will probably prove problematic...

I recall that Duke3D on a minimum spec machine was not a fun game. It was, in fact, an ugly and poorly performing game :-(

Some more ports I'd like to see...

Master of Orion
Master of Magic
Ultima Underworld
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A similar thread came up on gamesradar a couple of days ago. My replies went something along the lines of...

Scumm games (Only cause Scumm ds doesnt as yet support my card properly ;) )
Lemmings - I feel this was wasted on the psp's inadaqute controlls. (although I havnt played it, the GBA port, although fun is irritating with a d pad imo.)
Civ
Elite (or something similar with wifi)
Sierra point n clicks
Command and Conquer
'Theme' games maybe.

These are primarily games that would benifit the controlls of the DS imo.
I'm sure there are other games that would be good without the need of the touch screen.

Alone in the Dark
(there is a "Free in the Dark" reimplimentation of the engine here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fitd/ )

I think AitD would run quite well given the difference in specs.
My own query is that purhapes..one day...we might have a x86 emulator with a dos emulation.
Maybe I am being optimistic, but 16mhz game that only needed 640kb of ram should be possible, imo.
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So this can be for any old games, even those that are still licensed? So would that be pretty much making a virtual machine that uses the original game files very much like how SCUMMVM DS works? If that's the case, then here are a few I'd recommend:

Name: M.U.G.E.N.
Viable: Unknown what the requirements are
Summary: Fully customizable fighting game.
Where To Start: The original source code is not availalble, however OpenMugen is an open project in C++ and SDL is out to recreate the original engine to support all current features and Internet play. There is also a PSP port of it in the works.

Name: Descent 1 and 2
Viable: Should be technically possible (calls for 8MB RAM), but controls may take some work (it was on PlayStation, though)
Summary: One of the early FPS (sort of) games that allowed for 6 degrees of movement. You fly a small craft through mines filled with out-of-control mining robots that want to kill you.
Where To Start: The source code is freely availalble.

Name: MechWarrior and possibly MechWarrior 2
Viable: MW1 should be possible with a DOS emulator as it had minimal hardware requirements (it was ported to the SNES afterall). MW2 would require source code, which I do not believe is available.
Summary: Pilot mechs on missions across various worlds of the Inner Sphere.
Where To Start: The source is not available, but a basic DOS emulator should be able to run this. It hardly even used sound, so that shouldn't be much of an issue.

Name: MetalTech: Earth Siege and MetalTech: Battledrome
Viable: Technically, the requirements for these games are pretty low, however with no source available, they seem less likely.
Summary: More giant robots clashing, but in a different setting. Earth Siege puts humans against hostile AI robots called Cybrids in a battle for survival. Battledrome is more like arena combat with mechs.
Where To Start: Don't know as Dynamix went under and Vivendi Universal does not have access to the source code archives.

Name: Wing Commander I, II, and (possibly) III
Viable: I and II shouldn't be a problem in terms of hardware (was originally ported to SNES if that gives you a clue), but III required at least 8MB of RAM.
Summary: Space flight sim game featuring you against the cat-like Kilrathi. Great games.
Where To Start: Also not sure as the source is not available. Here's a link to some modifications, though:
http://www.wcrevival.de/hcl/exe_dll/

Name: Battlezone, Spectre, other tank games
Viable: Very
Summary: Tank in an open field shoots at other tanks while avoiding being shot. Simple fun!
Where To Start: Okay, these games are simplistic enough that people have written them in 36 hours (in the case of Battlezone). I would suspect it would just be easier to make a clone than to try to port it. There probably is one already that I missed. Online play would be a very nice addition.

I'm sure I could come up with more if I thought about it some more.
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I'm still looking at the Rancidmeat Port for Duke3D to see it's plausability.

I'm still not convinced though of Mech2 or ES for the DS. I mean the controls alone would be a burden for the DS unless we got some Keyboard Peripheral.

A VM alone for either of those two would be a pain, I may be mistaken, but I remember searching for info on the file formats used and nothing turned up. :/ for MW2 At least.

Now, it would be nice to sit on a bench in the park or in class busting some Glitches in an Apoc. Also taking down some Inner Sphere Freebirth Warriors in a nice cozy Timberwolf would be quite enjoyable too. NetMech on NDSWifi would be convenient.

Open M.U.G.E.N. on the other hand would be great, I still have some DBZ Mugen games that were quite fun.
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Spec-wise, EarthSiege would be easier to accomplish than MW2. It called for 80386/486DX 33MHz, 4MB RAM, and a 256-color VGA graphics card and runs at 320x200 resolution. The screen ratio isn't the greatest, but it's not too far off, either. Controls could also be done as follows:

D-pad Up: Throttle up
D-pad Down: Throttle down
D-pad Left: Turn left
D-pad Right: Turn right
X: Aim up
B: Aim down
Y: Turn torso left
A: Turn torso right
L: Fire
R: Next target

This would need to make use of the touch screen to click all the buttons in the cockpit. Although I'm not sure how small all the buttons would be. The other screen can show external camera views of your Herc or your target and perhaps toggle with Select. There's also the HDD that could go up there to show your Nav points and everything. It would make more sense if the bottom screen showed the HDD, but then you lose all the touch screen functionality. I really think it could be made to work.

As for MW2, yeah, I think that would be pushing it. Although if it can be done on the PS1, then you know it can be done on the DS as the DS has as much or more horsepower as the PS1. MW1 on the other hand seems like it could run on a small DOS emulator, which may be the way it has to go.
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Wait, an obvious one:

ELITE

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In my eyes the idea is not to try and implement an x86 emulator. I don't know how many of you use Dosbox regularly, but in my opinion it's not worth the effort on a DS.

Attempting to emulate 386/486 architecture on the DS lies in the same realm of trying to "convert N64 roms to work on the DS" (A topic that came up on the DS Linux forums a long time ago)...

Nah, what I'm talking about is doing proper ports that use the original data files. If a port isn't possible due to the original source not being available, then a clone that uses the original data files is the next option...

Here's one I keep on forgetting...

Name:StarControl II: The Ur-Quan Masters
Viable: Yes, very...
Summary: One of the best space games ever made, a wonderful mix of humour, gameplay and sheer fun...
Where to start: Well, there's a windows port called The Ur-Quan Masters on Sourceforge. A good place to start, I'd say...
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Attempting to emulate 386/486 architecture on the DS lies in the same realm of trying to "convert N64 roms to work on the DS" (A topic that came up on the DS Linux forums a long time ago)...

oh please, thats not even in the same league :-/
Its not something that would be easy, and you would only get a very low clockspeed at best...but still..its much more likely they N64 emulation or "convertor" (by which, i guess,means decompile and recompile perfectly)

Alone simerla lines, The GP2X can run Windows95. (takes 5 minutes to boot, but everything you expect would work once loaded...mindsweeper...paint..ect).

While porting is certainly a better option for any one game, or even a few games.
But if Dos emulation was possible at even 5mhz, you would still get a huge number of games playable.
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I'd like to see a port of Cave Story.
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Attempting to emulate 386/486 architecture on the DS lies in the same realm of trying to "convert N64 roms to work on the DS" (A topic that came up on the DS Linux forums a long time ago)...

oh please, thats not even in the same league :-/
Its not something that would be easy, and you would only get a very low clockspeed at best...but still..its much more likely they N64 emulation or "convertor" (by which, i guess,means decompile and recompile perfectly)

Alone simerla lines, The GP2X can run Windows95. (takes 5 minutes to boot, but everything you expect would work once loaded...mindsweeper...paint..ect).

While porting is certainly a better option for any one game, or even a few games.
But if Dos emulation was possible at even 5mhz, you would still get a huge number of games playable.

Har har, a huge number of games that don't interest me :-)

Keep in mind that the GP2X is a hell of whack more meaty than a DS on the hardware side, barring the lack of any kind of 3d acceleration...

I just don't think it's very clever the write an emulator for x86 on the DS if what one really wishes to do is write X-Com DS. Kinda like building a castle when all you want is a hut...

One could always try recompiling Bochs for the DS. However, given that attempts to recompile DosBox for the DS have also failed, I doubt that's a good avenue to follow really...

Frankly, I'd rather play a full-speed clone than a 1/4 speed emulated version of something like X-Com...
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Name: M.U.G.E.N.
Viable: Unknown what the requirements are
Summary: Fully customizable fighting game.
Where To Start: The original source code is not availalble, however OpenMugen is an open project in C++ and SDL is out to recreate the original engine to support all current features and Internet play. There is also a PSP port of it in the works.

I'd love to get away from my puzzle game typecasting. So can you provide a textual/graphical description of the user interface of MUGEN other than just "use the source, Luke"? I have a feeling that it's not designed to run in a window as small as 256x192 pixels or with hardware sprites of specific sizes.
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OOPMan wrote:

Darkflame wrote:

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Attempting to emulate 386/486 architecture on the DS lies in the same realm of trying to "convert N64 roms to work on the DS" (A topic that came up on the DS Linux forums a long time ago)...

oh please, thats not even in the same league :-/
Its not something that would be easy, and you would only get a very low clockspeed at best...but still..its much more likely they N64 emulation or "convertor" (by which, i guess,means decompile and recompile perfectly)

Alone simerla lines, The GP2X can run Windows95. (takes 5 minutes to boot, but everything you expect would work once loaded...mindsweeper...paint..ect).

While porting is certainly a better option for any one game, or even a few games.
But if Dos emulation was possible at even 5mhz, you would still get a huge number of games playable.

Har har, a huge number of games that don't interest me :-)

Keep in mind that the GP2X is a hell of whack more meaty than a DS on the hardware side, barring the lack of any kind of 3d acceleration...

I just don't think it's very clever the write an emulator for x86 on the DS if what one really wishes to do is write X-Com DS. Kinda like building a castle when all you want is a hut...

One could always try recompiling Bochs for the DS. However, given that attempts to recompile DosBox for the DS have also failed, I doubt that's a good avenue to follow really...

Frankly, I'd rather play a full-speed clone than a 1/4 speed emulated version of something like X-Com...

XCom is fantastic, but my point was, re-writeing games gives you a better result per-game. But each game has to be done on its own.

But emulating the chip means you get a whole bunch of games without having to specifically do each one.
And yes, theres some nice games out there ;)

So if you just wanted Xcom ,sure, its silly.
But what about Xcom and AitD ? What about Xcom, Skyroads, AitD and "Continuum"? What about Xcom,Skyroads, AitD, Continuum, Alleycat ,Jumpman and Mule? ....
(this are all games off the top of my head, haven't actually looked into their specs,they are all fairly low though)

Incidently,as XCom1/2 is turn based, slow emulation is that much of an issue ;)

Either way, imo, emulateing dos+x86 is much more possible then N64 "conversion".
Of course the GP2X is much more powerfull, but then, Windows95 requires a lot more then a (low spec) dos.
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Erm, yeah, try running X-Com in DosBox and then try running the Windows '95 version (Which works perfectly under XP after you patch the exe to deal with the graphic issues) and let me know which you prefer.

Slow GeoScape is not fun, not fun at all...

I think emulated x86 would only be useful for games like Alley Cat, which are so ancient anyway that emualating 1mhz of x86 is probably more than enough...
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MechaBouncer wrote:

Name: M.U.G.E.N.
Viable: Unknown what the requirements are
Summary: Fully customizable fighting game.
Where To Start: The original source code is not availalble, however OpenMugen is an open project in C++ and SDL is out to recreate the original engine to support all current features and Internet play. There is also a PSP port of it in the works.

I'd love to get away from my puzzle game typecasting. So can you provide a textual/graphical description of the user interface of MUGEN other than just "use the source, Luke"? I have a feeling that it's not designed to run in a window as small as 256x192 pixels or with hardware sprites of specific sizes.

I haven't used it since it's DOS incarnation, but I think the minimal resolution was 320x240. It's not too much of a drop down to 256x192 and at least it's the same ratio. As for the specs, however, I'm not sure what it requires to run. All I know is that it was ported to the PSP, so there may be some hope.
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Erm, yeah, try running X-Com in DosBox and then try running the Windows '95 version (Which works perfectly under XP after you patch the exe to deal with the graphic issues) and let me know which you prefer.
...

Odd, Dosbox Xcom:TftD worked fine for me.
(in fact, the mouse went far too fast, I have to mess about to slow it down a bit).
Havnt played it for a few years mind.

Still ,as I said, I didnt look at the specs yet so maybe Xcom wouldnt be doable.

But I wouldnt underestimate the amount of nice dos games even for very low clockspeeds.
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DUKE NUKEM 2!!!

I don't know what it was, but I LOVED that game. And it's moderate similarity to Metroid is what even got me into Metroid. I bet Duke Nukem 2 could even be done on GBA, because it's not very graphically intense. But dang man... that game was awsome.

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DUKE NUKEM 2!!!

I don't know what it was, but I LOVED that game. And it's moderate similarity to Metroid is what even got me into Metroid. I bet Duke Nukem 2 could even be done on GBA, because it's not very graphically intense. But dang man... that game was awsome.

There is something called.. duke GNUkum or something.. its open sauce clone of the game.
using SDL should be able to port hopefully.
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well, apparently it's not called GNUkum cause that gave only 1 result on google (some pdf file), something that's not exactly easy to do :P

www.google.com.au/search?q=gnukem

I think GPF or Poffy tried to compile it but there was some problem, so he moved onto something else.
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A RAM issue? Well, with a Supercard and it's 16 MB of extra RAM, that shouldn't be much of an issue.

EDIT: apparently it's not a port though, and it's off Duke Nukem 1's style. I said Duke Nukem 2. There may not be much difference, but when you love a game so much, you get picky :P

A WARCRAFT 3 Port would be sick. Blizzard shoud have done it a long time ago. The DS is perfect for RTS

here's another game, but it's not new...StepMania!

Now because it IS open source, it could be majorly toned down so that the DS could actually handle it :P Man... playing all my dwi and sm sim files on the go would pwn HARD.

Name: Football Manager/Earlier Championship Managers
Viable: Unsure
Summary: Best football manager sim ever - the DS would be ideal in terms of the dual screen setup and using the touch screen would be nice aswell. Sadly, I'm not sure if something like this would ever be possible. =(
Where To Start: ???

Name: Dizzy games
Viable: Maybe?
Summary: Great little platform game series I have fond memories of playing on my Amstrad CPC 464 and PC. This wouldn't necessarily have to be a DS port, GBA would do as the touchscreen interface wouldn't really be required.
Where to start: ???

I'd also like to second suggestions of an X-com port - it was done to a pocket PC I believe, and it really is a fantastic game that'd be ace on the DS. It'd also be nice to see a program similar to scumm vm that'd let people play the classic Sierra point and clicks like Gabriel Knight, QfG, Space Quest and Police Quest series.

To be honest, I just wish developers like Lucasarts and Sierra in particular would realise how perfect the DS is for their point and click back catalogues and release some compilation carts - I would buy them without a doubt.

News versions of ScummVM, including the DS port, will support old Sierra games. Go read up about this on the ScummVM homepage...

The X-Com port to PocketPC is, alas, not OSS. However, UFO2000 is always moving forward...

Some people have mentioned SDL. Has SDL been ported to DS at all? This would make moving games like Ur-Quan Masters (The OSS StarControl 2 game) to DS much easier, as the game is built on SDL...
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here's another game, but it's not new...StepMania!

Now because it IS open source, it could be majorly toned down so that the DS could actually handle it :P

The goal probably wouldn't be to port StepMania per se (it crawls on even a PS2, as seen in In The Groove which was a straight port of SM) but just to clone it, making another generic dance sim. I have some DWI parser code on my hard drive somewhere if somebody is interested in continuing this.

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Man... playing all my dwi and sm sim files on the go would pwn HARD.

Do people who play StepMania actually own all the CDs?
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GPF ported SDL but sound isn't working right yet and there's no file system support. Fortunately most games only use SDL for input and graphics and just use standard C/C++ commands for disk IO. SDLNet hasn't been ported, so there's no wi-fi support.
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Oooooh, that means porting The Ur-Quan Masters is pretty viable, since it's an SDL game...

Might be something to look into...
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Some people have mentioned SDL. Has SDL been ported to DS at all? This would make moving games like Ur-Quan Masters (The OSS StarControl 2 game) to DS much easier, as the game is built on SDL...

o.O Ur-Quan Masters!!

If I had the extra cash for it, I'd offer a bounty for that

Desert Strike:
[08:56] JaJa_: I think desert strike would make a good port for the DS
[08:57] JaJa_: map/status screen on bottom, action on top
[08:57] JaJa_: d-pad to steer, A B X for weapons
[08:58] JaJa_: L/R to cycle status screens (there was mission objectives, map, status screens)
[08:58] JaJa_: and throw in some touch elements on the lower screen (for example to click to display the changed objectives)
[08:59] JaJa_: perhaps even different helicopters, which each handle slightly differently
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Looks Interesting, I have never played it before.

http://abandonia.com/games/84/download/DesertStrike.htm
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There was a great Elite port to GBA by quirky.

A personal favourite for me would be DarkSun: Shattered Lands & Wake Of The Ravager. I have fond memories of playing that on my old 486.
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Name: Frontal Assault - Eturintama
Viable: With some work
Summary: Come on, we just NEED this, don't we? I mean, touching... breasts... And besides that, it's also a good game with an addicting gameplay!
Where To Start: You could probably ask the author for the source code but the 3D graphics would have to be completely redone and scaled for the DS and if I remember right, the author didn't want to give out the source... A clone would probably be a more realistic idea but it would be a challenge to get the gameplay right.
http://fa.xmunkki.org/

Name: Noiz
Viable: Sure
Summary: Noiz, the first shooter of internet gaming celebrity Kenta Cho, would be AWESOME with a touchscreen.
Where To Start: The thing is written in Java and open source as far as I can tell. I guess some rewriting would be necessary but it should be possible.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/palm/noiz_java_e.html
Other awesome Kenta Cho games that need a DS port:
Wok: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/linux/wok_e.html
Noiz2sa (with touchscreen controls): http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/windows/noiz2sa_e.html (Java version: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/java/noiz2_e.html )

Mallin wrote:

OOPMan wrote:

Some people have mentioned SDL. Has SDL been ported to DS at all? This would make moving games like Ur-Quan Masters (The OSS StarControl 2 game) to DS much easier, as the game is built on SDL...

o.O Ur-Quan Masters!!

If I had the extra cash for it, I'd offer a bounty for that

Hehehehe, once I get home on Friday I think I'll take a look into it in greater depth. Hopefully you'll see an UQM topic on this forum in the near future :-)
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right now I'm working on a port of cyberdogs currently dubbed as DS-Dogs. I'm currently working on porting an SDL version coz i can't get my hands on the original source (though obtaining the cyberdogs source would be good as)

I really want to tackle a Duke Nukem 3D port, I have the source code but my head just hurts when i look at the source code.
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it is already being talked about but i would love to see Ultima Online DS

STARCRAFT!!!!

Command and Conquer: generals

Generals?
Yes, Id like a port of Prey, HL2, Zelda:Twilight Princess and Too Human. :p
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Seriously, Runescape would be lovely.

Being java based and closed source it would be tricky to port. Not to mention converting the wi-fi to work.
(either direct to WWW, or ver a pc).

However, I daresay its all well within possiblity (but only if the people that made runescape co-operate).
Also, the landscape divisions would have to be smaller.
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vb_master wrote:

I'd like to see a port of Cave Story.

I remember a GBA port of Cave Story being in the works. With Pixel giving his okay and everything.
I wonder what became of that.

Abuse: 2d-action platformer wich should be a good match for the ds hardware. source code is out there and stylus should work ok instead of mouse.

sasuke_kun12 wrote:

right now I'm working on a port of cyberdogs currently dubbed as DS-Dogs. I'm currently working on porting an SDL version coz i can't get my hands on the original source (though obtaining the cyberdogs source would be good as)

I really want to tackle a Duke Nukem 3D port, I have the source code but my head just hurts when i look at the source code.

Cyberdogs!? YES! And I think the original was written in Pascal, so the SDL version is probably a much better idea what with the partial SDL port to the DS. Any plans for any stylus usage?

That just made me think of another one: Robotron or SmashTV clone using stylus to control direction of fire and d-pad or face buttons to move.
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Although this is probably not viable i'd love a metal slug game >.<

ocarina of time and ssb of course and mario party definitately with online support on wi-fi connect of course these would have to be official ports not homebrew

Yie Ar Kung Fu.

I would be happy to do the graphics for that one! Oh, and I would add in a block and a dodge. Like the frame rate of that game (seriously) it's like watching an old school martial art film.

Here's a little request from the thread originator, even though that gives me few rights really...

Please don't post ideas for "Ports" of games like Ocarina of Time and Mario Party.

It would be nice if people could remain if the realm of reality when it comes to porting.

Proposing ports of commercial N64 game is not only stupid, it's a waste of thread space. You're not adding anything of value to the thread by posting such suggestions...
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OOPMan is right in that a port of N64 games are completely out of the question, for many reasons.

But the way it has been said is maybe on the rough side. I think some people dont have any background in music, graphic design, and programming. Leaving them in the dark on knowing the possibilities of the DS' hardware and the dev kits that is available to the community.

A reason why N64 games might often be suggested, and I think it has been said before in the thread or forum is: Mario 64 has been put on the DSas well as Mario Kart.

So people, so we don't go off too far in our dream game ports, you might want to considera few things.

- How complex is the game? Is it 2D or 3D, does it have a lot of different textures and music. Usually puzzle games are easier to port than a full 3D platformer like Mario 64. Most projects have to be within reach for 1 programmer. Usually homebrew is made by 1 person only. Groups that work well together are rare but possible. But are usually much smaller than lets say a real team working on a commercial game like Mario64. Don't forget that the homebrew creators aren't getting paid either.

- Licensing (although I might be wrong on OOPMan's vision for this thread licensing would probably be an issue.) Most programmers artists don't want to put effort on a project knowing there are high risks that they will recieve a Cease & Desist letter from the Company owning the license on the game.

- Take a look at existing homebrew games and use a bit of logic to understand what is possible as games and the quality to expect. Although the latter is not always true since in homebrew we can always expect to be surprised by quality.

Hopefully I am giving a little guideline that follows what OOPMan was expecting from this thread, if not, I will simple edit my post on his request.

I really do hope that some of the suggestions for port get seenby interested programmers and do see the light of day!

Hotice has pretty much gotten it right. Maybe I was a little rough, but that's how I tend to be :-)

The points hotice makes about porting are also important. Listed ports should be do-able. In other words, they should not be technologically problematic.

The subject of licensing is a little more problematic. In a perfect world, all abandonware would be completely open source and it wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately, the world is not perfect. Most abandoned games have never been opened. In such cases, a port would be more of a clone that uses the original data files. However, clones of this sort are not always on good legal ground (Remember how Blizzare shut down the Freecraft project a while back?). If you're going to do a clone, then contact the developers and publishers first to find out what the legal stance is. If it's an old game, chances are things will be fine anyway :-)

Thanks for the post hotice...
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A port i would love do see that i think would work really well on the ds is a late game for the N64 called Sin and Punishment.

You could use the stylus for aiming the gun, the pad / buttons for movement and the L / R trigger to shoot. I can almost feel myself playig it on DS.

Let me dream....

http://uk.media.ign64.ign.com/media/015/015248/imgs_1.html

Hi retrohead,

OOpman and Hotice were saying that N64 ports would'nt be possible to do, but you could always dream for Hyper Sports, where you could use the stylus for sprinting, by rubbing it across the screen really fast, and then tap on the hurdles to jump over them.

COME ON...LET'S DREAM!!!!!!

N64 emulation may not be possible but I bet N64 ports wouldn't be a problem for the most part. They already ported Super Mario 64.
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N64 emu is not really an option, N64 ports are.

However, do you really honestly think Nintendo are just going to let you wade in, rip up their N64 games and port them to the DS...

Get real...

Abandonware ports are more viable for the reason that they're abandonware.

One does not have to worry about Blizzard, Nintendo or anyone else issuing a Cease-and-Desist when you're 95% done...

Seriously, I'd rather see the stuff suggested in this thread actually see the light of day...

Hence my own efforts into invesitgating a port of Star Control 2 via the UQM project.

And with any luck I'll be able to do some looking into a port of UFO2000 at some point as well...
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Hrmm, i just remembered an idea i already had for a while.

I mean... it sure would take up a lot of space, but...
What about Daggerfall?

The requirements should be within the DS's capabilities, if i remember right.
(Please don't kill me if i'm wrong, heh)

populous that would be an excellent port

Define "abandonware".
As far as I know, the rights to most games which are labeled abandonware do still fall under the commercial companies. Abandonware is just a popular term used by people who think games should not be sold at a price after 10 years or so.
Someone told me once that rights to games only expire after a huge amount of time (I thought 50 years, but don't take me up on that).
Tepples knows a lot on legal matters, so you could ask him.

Erm, a lot of abandonware is actually abandonware, having only been copy-righted for a period of something like 5-10 years...

The 50 year period you're thinking about applies to patents, if I recall. And it may only apply in the U.S., although I'm not a fundi on patent law so I'm probably wrong :-)

As for my personal opinion of abandonware. I think ALL games for ALL platforms should be released fully and at NO cost (Source code, game resources, etc) 5 years after the game was initially released.

I doubt very many games are still selling meaningful quantities after 5 years, if at all.

Also, the legality is issue you're raising with respect to this thread and abandonware is a littl off-kilter anyway, seeing as how most abandonware remains closed source, hence any kind of "port" would actually be a game resouce compatible "clone". Those are usually fine, unless you're doing a "clone" of a Blizzard or Lucasarts product, in which case you'll probably be Cease-and-Desisted to an early grave...
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Just because some people abuse the term abandoneware, dosnt make the term worthless.

IMO, the greater crime is letting some classic games become lost or unplayable as technology progress's.
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Exactly my opinion :-)
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I would like to see Gaim get ported. It's open source and would love to be able to use my Google Talk on the DS.

I would like to see the Shooter "Takatis" for the PC portet to the DS.

I *try* to port it, but I have:

1. No time

2. tried to make the source myself... but I haven't got anywhere far exept the Mainmenue, the Sounds and that was it...

3. I tried to learn programming, but it was too hard to learn, or I did not try hard enough... I don't know.. The only things I managed to program where:

1. Hello world (I know its completly nonsense...)

2. I changed the text in a given example and then compiled this...

(I did this all with PA_Lib because I can't another programming language... ( But maybe I learn C at schol this year --> Yay !!

Greets:

Pas

Boxing Game Simulator or something like that
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Darkflame wrote:

Just because some people abuse the term abandoneware, dosnt make the term worthless.

IMO, the greater crime is letting some classic games become lost or unplayable as technology progress's.

totally agree xD

how about a port of Xmen Vs Street Fighter to the ds!
Thank would be cool
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You'd have to ask Capcom for that. Homebrewers are more likely to make a generic fighting game engine into which you can put your own characters.
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Hmmm Pas, have you consulted any actual C and C++ tutorials?

I found that there are a couple of really good ones out there that, when combined with a bit of monkeying about, can get you coding everything from the basics to stable doubly-linked lists (Traditionally something newbie coders cut their teeth on :-)
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tepples wrote:

You'd have to ask Capcom for that. Homebrewers are more likely to make a generic fighting game engine into which you can put your own characters.

That would be the best way too do it.
Have a kinda of character-file which is made from simply BMP's.

Would be fun also to have an online scoreboard showing "your" charecters rank and popularity.
Purhapes even, if you wish, you could share your charecters use out...then the score for that charecter is determained by the average. (kinda like a clan).

Yes, of course, having a website with "Homer Simpson" ranked against "Genghis Karn"
might attracted attention, but in the worse case you make it ds-only thing like the homebrew database.
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@OOPMan:

Mhh... I never thought about C and C++ much, I just tried out PA_Lib, because it *looked* simple... But I just put not enough effort into it...

Do you have any (good and easy to understand ) turtoials for me ? I would like it to use C or C++ instead of PA_lib... ( Do you think it would be enough if I would, maybe do, one Turtioal per day then ? )

Whats better about using C or C++ instead of PA_Lib ?

Hope you can help me, because I REALLY like to program DSAps (My Head explodes from the Ideas I have for the lil' DS ;), but I need to know how to program)

And if I would know C and C++ then, how could I use it for the DS then ? Are there Turtoials for this ?

Greets:

Pas

What would be awsome is if someone made a BMS player so i could play beatmania on the go =p, dunno if its possible tho but i know the psp has 1.

Pas, I have a strong suspicion that you're trying to run before you can walk.

C and C++ are programming langauges. PALib is a library written in C or C++ (Not sure which...)

Look, it's good to have ideas, but if you don't learn how to program first then you're just going to end up disappointing yourself.

I'd recommend you take a look in the NDS Tutorials thread stickied in the DS Development sub-forum on this site. There's a bunch of links there to tutorials that will help you learn C and C++.

Once you've learn how to program you can start developing DS homebrew. However, trying to do so without an understanding of C and C++ is kinda like putting the cart before the horse...
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ObeyGiant wrote:

What would be awsome is if someone made a BMS player so i could play beatmania on the go =p, dunno if its possible tho but i know the psp has 1.

Look up AmplituDS and FrequenDS.
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Thanks OOPMan, maybe you are right with this running before walking ;)... So I think the best would be to read those turtoials...

Greets:

Pas

Name: Grand Theft Auto
Viable: Maybe using the Supercard's extra RAM....
Summary: Who doesn't know about GTA?
Where To Start: I have no idea..... maybe it would be better to do a homebrew clone rather than a port....

Name: Dark Forces
Viable: Most likely (requires 8 MB RAM, but using reduced textures??)
Summary: A Star Wars FPS
Where To Start: I suppose by reverse engineering the engine.... rumour has it that Lucasarts hacked the doom engine and built their own based on it...

Name: Mortal Kombat
Viable: Unsure
Summary: The revolutionary arcade style combat/martial arts game
Where To Start: ??????? I am only a newbie coder.

And YES!!! PLEASE PORT CAVESTORY!! It is one of the best ever free platformers.

Most of those would have to be clones since the source is not available.
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Darkforces would be a bad idea. Lucasarts do not take kindly to home-made merchandise. I've seen so many similar projects go down flaming over the years it's not funny. Lucasarts and Blizzard must share the same legal department ;-)

GTA might also be problematic, seeing as how it's such a hot property right now...
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Supertux.

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Dracker wrote:

BZFlag.

I would have to agree
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Zelda: OoT. :p I bet it's possible...

Or for things that may actually happen someday, Tetris Attack.

[edit] And then the very next thread I see is Tetattds... <_<
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Name: Grand Theft Auto

Reminds me of grandtheftendo the NES version he was making of the orignal GTA

the guys page is gone :( bummer but you can look at it here

Bumping this because Ravenworks released Cave Story tech demos for the GBA and the DS and i don't really know if i should make a new thread, heh.

Infos and links to both files here
http://community.livejournal.com/doukutsu/61590.html
http://community.livejournal.com/doukutsu/61296.html

Looking very good already.
Maybe we should coax him into posting his updates here, too. >>;
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Or for things that may actually happen someday, Tetris Attack.

There are some official clones for GB and GBC, the GB one is called Tetris Attack (probably due to lack of imaginative names) and the GBC version is Pokemon Puzzle Challenge. It features all the modes of the original SNES verison, and is great to play when you have nothing better to do. I was shocked to find that there is another mode of difficulty that took me 3 months to complete.

EDIT: Of course, a GBA/DS port would be fantastic, because of graphics, but also because the DS version could have touch-screen support, which would really add a lot to the game.
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OOPMan wrote:

Erm, a lot of abandonware is actually abandonware, having only been copy-righted for a period of something like 5-10 years...

The 50 year period you're thinking about applies to patents, if I recall. And it may only apply in the U.S., although I'm not a fundi on patent law so I'm probably wrong :-)

Actually it's more or less the other way around IIRC. Copyrights last almost forever... :-/

Name: Plazmoids!
Viable: Would have to be written from scratch.
Summary: Plazmoids! was one of the most awesome touchscreen games I played on my Zodiac (Palm). It could be great on the DS.
Where To Start: It's a commercial game and the developers seem to have given up so this would have to be coded from scratch using different graphics and a different name.
http://clickgamer.com/moreinfo.htm?pid=4188&section=PALM
There is a video here if you don't have a Palm to try it:
http://www.plankfilms.com/pfm/palm/videoreviews.php#P

Name: XPilot
Viable: Probably, it looks technically very feasible for the ds, its fully open source and we have a working homebrew network library now.
Summary: multi-player 2D spacewar game
Where To Start: Any takers might start with the xpilot-ng branch, which I think was already setup for hardware acceleration and for multiplatform builds http://xpilot.sourceforge.net/

OMG xpilot awesome! I used to own everyone with my trusty tie-fighter. Or not. It was fun anyways. Hmm, I wonder if the ds's 3d hardware could do all the lines, it doesn't support lines, right? Perhaps very thin polygons would work.

Edit:
Eeek, XPilot NG looks like shit compared to the regular version. It's got the same crap graphics, but without the nice oldschool touch...
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xpilot isn't 3d is it? I would think it would make more sense to do it with the 2d hardware. Though maybe you could work something out to optimize it by using the 3d engine.

well i would also like to see a full port of command and conquer on the ds
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Streets of Rage DS would be really cool

We have a good megadrive emulator already.
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This is the topic I was looking for!

Game : The Sentinel

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Summary : game info

It is one of the most addictive game I have ever played on my old Atari ST. There was a sequel/remake called Sentinel returns which is pure crap. The original is the one to look for. A DS port could really be awesome. The stylus would really fit the original mouse gameplay.

Not really a port, but I'd like to see Grand Theft Mariokart ;)

Engacho <3
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tepples wrote:

You mean like this video (nsfw)?

Kinda like that, yes... Damn, I guess everything really has been done before. Bummer.

I CANNOT believe that nobody has mentioned the best game of all time...

Chrono Trigger.

not the best selling
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nornagon wrote:

I CANNOT believe that nobody has mentioned the best game of all time...

Chrono Trigger.

I think that's because Chrono Trigger is a SNES game using no expansion chips, and thus it'd be better to focus on making a half-decent SNES emulator than porting one game. The DS should be powerful enough to manage CT emulation, but nobody's made much progress for some reason.
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HyperHacker wrote:

nornagon wrote:

I CANNOT believe that nobody has mentioned the best game of all time...

Chrono Trigger.

I think that's because Chrono Trigger is a SNES game using no expansion chips, and thus it'd be better to focus on making a half-decent SNES emulator than porting one game. The DS should be powerful enough to manage CT emulation, but nobody's made much progress for some reason.

SnezziDS v0.28a emulates it pretty well, although sound tends to sound horrible. The no-sound version works better. I think there are a couple of random crashes that happen at certain points of the game, but trying to fix them for v0.28 broke other games, so bubble2k reversed the changes and released v0.28a.

GoopyMonkey wrote:

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Or for things that may actually happen someday, Tetris Attack.

There are some official clones for GB and GBC, the GB one is called Tetris Attack (probably due to lack of imaginative names) and the GBC version is Pokemon Puzzle Challenge. It features all the modes of the original SNES verison, and is great to play when you have nothing better to do. I was shocked to find that there is another mode of difficulty that took me 3 months to complete.

EDIT: Of course, a GBA/DS port would be fantastic, because of graphics, but also because the DS version could have touch-screen support, which would really add a lot to the game.

Nintendo's GBA version of [the] Tetris Attack [engine] is Puzzle League.
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Last I checked SnezziDS doesn't support GBAMP or slot-1 devices. Of course since CT is a 4MB ROM, there's no way it could run on these save for streaming from the card, but smaller games like the 512K Super Mario World shouldn't have any problem.
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Name: Dizzy games
Viable: Maybe?
Summary: Great little platform game series I have fond memories of playing on my Amstrad CPC 464 and PC. This wouldn't necessarily have to be a DS port, GBA would do as the touchscreen interface wouldn't really be required.

There are two amstrad cpc emus on the way :

- Croco DS is already playable in its early alpha release and quite impressive I must say!

- the second one AmE DS is currenly being working on by AlekMaul, the guy responsible for ColecoDS and MarcaDS.

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chuzzle and Fury of the Furries...

Plus the "Commander Keen" series (i mean, with the real look&feel of commander keen, not some ugly rip off like what they did on the GBA)

i'd even buy them if they were commercial game.[/url]
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PypeBros wrote:

Plus the "Commander Keen" series (i mean, with the real look&feel of commander keen, not some ugly rip off like what they did on the GBA)

There's CloneKeen. That's a good base.

i really id like to see "eye of beholder (1 and 2)"
any chance in your opinion?

Is there source code available for it, or any clones of it? If the answer is yes, maybe. If no, still yes, but a guarded yes...
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unfortunatly i am not able to do it... (for now only initial experiments with devkitPro) and im 'only' a dotnet and java professional programmer

anyway i'd like to help with this link:

http://rewiki.regengedanken.de/wiki/EYE.RES
http://rewiki.regengedanken.de/wiki/AESOP/16
http://rewiki.regengedanken.de/wiki/.RES
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There are a lot of info about eye3 and dungeon hack :)

vb_master wrote:

I'd like to see a port of Cave Story.

Slightly off-topic, but I have recently found the cave story website again. I remember downloading it after reading this thread, but I've never tried it. Now that I have re-downloaded it, I am glad that I did, it really is a nice little entertaining game.
A DS port would be a splendid idea.

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There is also a homebrew port of Cave Story in progress for the Nintendo DS, which has received Pixel's official blessing to go forward.[4] Originally, this port was intended for the Game Boy Advance, though as of October, 2006, the author moved the port to the Nintendo DS hardware.

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Mallin wrote:

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There is also a homebrew port of Cave Story in progress for the Nintendo DS, which has received Pixel's official blessing to go forward.[4] Originally, this port was intended for the Game Boy Advance, though as of October, 2006, the author moved the port to the Nintendo DS hardware.

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Ah yes, a google search revealed this: http://community.livejournal.com/doukutsu/61296.html

I have downloaded and looked at the demo - you can scroll through the levels and listen to the music. Hopefully this will get finished =)

what about OpenTTD. open version of transport tycoon... dunno much about programming but that has been ported to windows mobile too

Optihut wrote:

I have downloaded and looked at the demo - you can scroll through the levels and listen to the music. Hopefully this will get finished =)

There's also the happy frolicking mushroom demo. XD

Also, a port of Fallout would be awesome, but i doubt that's going to happen.
The processor power might be enough and if you had a RAM expansion, maybe... but still, heh.
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Anga wrote:

There's also the happy frolicking mushroom demo. XD

Also, a port of Fallout would be awesome, but i doubt that's going to happen.
The processor power might be enough and if you had a RAM expansion, maybe... but still, heh.

Fallout :( :( :( :(

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xitpu wrote:

i really id like to see "eye of beholder (1 and 2)"
any chance in your opinion?

I second that!

I've very fond memories of Eye of the Beholder 2

the very first Lands of Lore game would be really great too.

ROTT: rise of the triad

Shadow Warrior

I'd like to see some of the old Apogee dos games ported, as well as Zelda Oot, Majora's Mask, and maybe Paper Mario.

Name: Fantastic Dizzy
Viable: OMG YES DAMNIT!
Summary: Great game, it's Dizzy duh.
Where To Start: Use the MD Rom.

I'd like to see Zero Tolerance, the old Genesis FPS, in a revamped version. Same maps, same level goal (kill all enemies), but with a full screen display, pimped graphics (more detailed environment, 3d enemies), vertical aiming and HUD and auto map on the touchscreen.
The game was very tricky when it came to finding all enemies in the labyrinth like levels. I would like to see an option where you draw your route on the oversight map and can follow that trail by visible footprints on the floor.
The game was fun and is still my favorite FPS because of its simple but addicting gameplay.
This would be a challenge to code though.

Jaxx

Most of the ports you fellows want are impossible to do. Why? No source code.

Perhaps what they want isn't ports so much as clones.
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what about glTron? that's open source, and would be great fun to play on the go. It's also pretty simple.

Another one would be liquid wars. That would work well with the DS stylus.

A serious suggestion: Strange Adventures in Infinite Space, a game where you explore a small randomized area of space and sometimes have encounters or battles - in some ways, very similar to board games (except for the combat) in structure, and games don't last more than 20 minutes max, making it perfect for portable gaming. I am not sure how good the DS can handle SDL (or even the fast combat), but other than that, the gameplay is perfect for the DS, since its mouse-based and uses only one mouse button.

Digital Eel released the source on their website:

http://www.digital-eel.com/sais/source.htm

I think Netstorm would work very well on the DS, and it should definitely be doable. http://www.abandonia.com/games/216/NetStorm-IslandsatWar/NetStormIslandsatWar.htm

Interesting and unique strategy game, it should definitely be considered for a DS project.

Not exactly a port per se, but I was just thinking how nice it'd be to see wifi multiplayer versions of board games like Scrabble and Connect 4. They're generally pretty simple, so you could probably pack several of them into one app. Something I might do if I get some spare time soon.
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FraB wrote:

I think Netstorm would work very well on the DS, and it should definitely be doable. http://www.abandonia.com/games/216/NetStorm-IslandsatWar/NetStormIslandsatWar.htm

Interesting and unique strategy game, it should definitely be considered for a DS project.

Netstorm rocks!!!

What other RTS can boast online players today, roughly 10 years after release?

Amazing game :-)
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OOPMan wrote:

Netstorm rocks!!!

What other RTS can boast online players today, roughly 10 years after release?

Amazing game :-)

Off the top of my head: Starcraft. The 10th anniversary should be this year IIRC. Unfortunately I have uninstalled it about 2 months ago, though. But while I am out, there are plenty of players left.

Guys, i just thought of something that would be perfect for the DS.
And probably even doable.

The Incredible Machine
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There was a game "Pushover", this would be a nice port for a NDS.

In the game you have to push one domino stone. All stones should fall, one specific stone should fall as last. spcial stones are to split the way and many other purposes.

Anga wrote:

Guys, i just thought of something that would be perfect for the DS.
And probably even doable.

The Incredible Machine

There's an opensource TIM clone named "The Penguin Machine". It was abandoned few years ago, but the source code is still available at http://tpm.seul.org/ . Anyone wanna try porting this to DS ? It uses SDL, and other *nix specific methods (svgalib, x11) as alternative.

Isn't there a DS port of SDL already, just without sound support?
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Isn't there a DS port of SDL already, just without sound support?

yes! SDL lives on the NDS. DoomDS is based on ...

We got C64, Amstrad and MSX emulator but another 8 bit computer is still missing... we need an Atari 8 bits emulator!!!!!

And there are a lot of opensource program available, check those out:

http://www.zophar.net/a5200.html

So, I guess it could be done on the DS, what do you think?

MechaBouncer wrote:

Isn't there a DS port of SDL already, just without sound support?

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Anga wrote:

Guys, i just thought of something that would be perfect for the DS.
And probably even doable.

The Incredible Machine

Would be lovely, but quite complex I fear.
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One game to port to NDS might me: Star Stacker (in QBASIC) if anyone has time (the QBASIC source-code file is available, but QBASIC doesn't work on NDS as far as I know). You can do:

UP --> UP
DOWN --> DOWN
LEFT --> LEFT
RIGHT --> RIGHT
A --> ROTATE A
B --> ROTATE B
SELECT --> SELECT
START --> SELECT
L+R+SELECT --> F1
L+R+START --> F1

Maybe is better on GBA as well
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That's a clone of Nintendo's Kirby Star Stacker for GB, right?
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tepples wrote:

That's a clone of Nintendo's Kirby Star Stacker for GB, right?

Yes, it is, I think so.

The advantage for making it GBA version (as well as NDS) is 2 reasons: In case you have GBA but not NDS, or in case somebody does not want to download the DOS file and prefer to run it in the GBA emulator on the computer.

Is best if someone can make a nearly exact copy (but with adding more functions if you want to!) but if you can't, then don't do so. I don't have time for doing this, and also I don't have compiler for GBA (I only have DS compiler devkitPro)
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Didnt someone port some kind of basic to DS a long time ago?

Yes, but it's very buggy and can't really do much (no file access or any such thing).

Hmm... Perl DS?
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HyperHacker wrote:

Hmm... Perl DS?

There is a version of MiniPerl enabled in the RAM versions of DSLinux. Not terribly useful, but I was able to use it to word wrap my own text files before Moonshell did it automatically, using the wrapper.pl script posted in the first Moonbooks thread.

MiniPerl? Is the full thing not feasible, perhaps as a standalone? I always wished I could hack up quick programs/scripts on the DS and Perl seems like a good language to do it in.
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Sorry, I was wrong, it's MicroPerl. Here's what the person who added it had to say:

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microperl is fully functional. This is essentially a minimal version of real perl; at the moment it's good for most basic scripts that don't require any modules. Some modules will work with it if installed and some won't. I believe that CGI.pm is one that can be made to work... if you want the slowest website ever...

perl is a huge mess of a source directory and it's taking a little time for me to get it cleanly committed; this is also the last week of classes for me so I don't have as much time as I'd like. But it is a priority after schoolwork so I hope to have it up soon.

Found at http://www.dslinux.org/index.php?showtopic=1900&st=40

This one's probably been mentioned, but given Duke Nukem 3D was ported to N64, I bet it could run on DS too. Though I'm guessing there's no source available...

[edit] Wikipedia says it's available and ported to a number of other platforms already. :-D
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i read something somewhere else... someone has a port going.

That would be GPFError...
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Sorry if already discussed but anyone interested in porting old MAME/CPS1 titles i.e. Captain Commando, 3 Wonders, Cadillac and dinosaurs, Snow Brothers etc..?

I'd love to see Blockout (http://blockout.de) ported to the DS. It's an old DOS game, best described as "3D tetris". It's kind of addictive :)

Nanaca Crash would be fun too (http://www.zipplet.co.uk/nanaca-crash_v106.swf)

1srednA wrote:

I'd love to see Blockout (http://blockout.de) ported to the DS. It's an old DOS game, best described as "3D tetris". It's kind of addictive :)

That was ported to Virtual Boy.

I'm not so sure that the DS has enough buttons for this. Blockout needs 5 move buttons (N, E, S, W, drop) and 6 move buttons (N, E, S, W, left, right). Would using both the buttons and the touch screen be accurate enough for the kind of fast play that players of modern tetromino games are used to (see NOV's infamous "Death 800" video)?
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Up/Down/Left/Right/L, A/B/X/Y/Select/Start. That's enough right there.
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HyperHacker: Your control layout wouldn't work so well on the DS Lite. For one thing, moving the right thumb back and forth between A/B/X/Y and Select/Start is one heck of a reach, and for another, the Select and Start buttons require significantly more pressure than A/B/X/Y. Besides, Start is reserved for pausing per the lot check guidelines.
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Blockout is available on systems with fewer buttons than the DS, like the Genesis and the Lynx, so I'm sure a DS port would work. I've never played the DOS version, so I don't know what it is about the control scheme that you think wouldn't work on the DS.

I think it would work very well this way:

D-PAD for moving on the X and Y axes
X and B for rotating around the X axis
Y and A for rotating around the Y axis
L and R for rotating around the Z axis

That only leaves a drop button, which could easily be accomplished with the touchscreen or even the mic.

All this talk of axes, though, makes me wonder about the possibilities for a DS Motion enabled version. It'd take some pretty rough contortions to keep looking at the screen while rotating your DS around like that. Heh.

...word is bondage...

I was just thinking that too. Flick the DS to move.
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Sweater Fish Deluxe wrote:

....

I think it would work very well this way:

D-PAD for moving on the X and Y axes
X and B for rotating around the X axis
Y and A for rotating around the Y axis
L and R for rotating around the Z axis

That only leaves a drop button, which could easily be accomplished with the touchscreen or even the mic.

....

or SELECT button
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Optihut wrote:

Off the top of my head: Starcraft. The 10th anniversary should be this year IIRC. Unfortunately I have uninstalled it about 2 months ago, though. But while I am out, there are plenty of players left.

I gotta agree. If starcraft came to DS i could die happy.

While digging through my old school games collection looking for RoTT so I could fire up the latest RoTT port I came across a couple other games I can only dream about re-living on my DS. Like I currenly am with the Doom, Wolfenstein, Decent and now RoTT ports!

I'm not skilled in anything related to DS programming / porting but figured I'd toss these dream games out there incase someone is looking for something new to attempt I guess.

Would these even be possible on the DS hardware? Since they are all slightly similar in gameplay I can only hope.

Blood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_%28computer_game%29

Shadow Warrior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Warrior

Considering Blood has been ported to the Quake (qBlood/Transfusion) and ZDoom (ZBlood) engines and Shadow Warrior used the same engine as Duke Nukem 3D, it might be possible to do ports or ports of ports. The initial hardware requirements are a bit steeper (CPU speed and RAM), but there may be ways around it (possibly using Lick's RAM Unlocking API). I'd suspect they could be done.

And you know, what with Starcraft 2 in the works, I'm surprised Blizzard hasn't ported Starcraft to the DS already. They could easily take the N64 version and enhance it with touch screen capabilities and put things like the map or other useful info on the top screen.
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MechaBouncer wrote:

Considering Blood has been ported to the Quake (qBlood/Transfusion) and ZDoom (ZBlood) engines and Shadow Warrior used the same engine as Duke Nukem 3D, it might be possible to do ports or ports of ports. The initial hardware requirements are a bit steeper (CPU speed and RAM), but there may be ways around it (possibly using Lick's RAM Unlocking API).

Quake and other games using the id Tech 2 engine cannot use Lick's RAM Unlocking API due to incompatible copyright licenses. Id Tech 1.9 (the Quake engine) and id Tech 2 (the Quake II engine) are under the GNU General Public License, while Lick's license could be read to prohibit the private use of modified versions (like the old Plan 9 license and the Reciprocal Public License) along with some vague notion of "damaging software". Lick does not appear interested in reconciling these differences:

In this post, Lick wrote:

Licenses are annoying, I'll just leave it as it is.

To work around this, one would have to buy several SLOT-2 devices containing RAM, create a separate library implementing the same interface, and distribute it under the GPL, the LGPL, or a GPL-compatible permissive license.
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At least Lick changed the license, now. I still think simonjhall said it best:

simonjhall wrote:

Tbh I see licenses right up there with software patents - nobody likes them, they never help you and generate vast amounts of duplication of effort / prevention of duplication. There are so many 'open source' projects out there which have had issues with incompatible licenses (eg minor details in the wording) and this always affects the end user.

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MechaBouncer wrote:

And you know, what with Starcraft 2 in the works, I'm surprised Blizzard hasn't ported Starcraft to the DS already. They could easily take the N64 version and enhance it with touch screen capabilities and put things like the map or other useful info on the top screen.

Why would they need to take the n64 version's code? Why not use the original? Just because the DS is near in power to the N64, doesn't mean the hardware is at all similar. Thats one of the main reasons that there's as much hope for a N64 emulator on the DS as there is for a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest.
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The fact that they have already 'ported' existing N64 titles (think Super Mario 64) means that it would probably easier to go that route rather than starting from scratch.

Dood77 wrote:

MechaBouncer wrote:

And you know, what with Starcraft 2 in the works, I'm surprised Blizzard hasn't ported Starcraft to the DS already. They could easily take the N64 version and enhance it with touch screen capabilities

Why would they need to take the n64 version's code?

Because the N64 version's code is designed to display on a 320x240 pixel plane, unlike the original. Even if they don't take the code from the N64 version, they could take the assets from the N64 version.
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And the N64 only had 4MB of RAM, like the DS. The original required 16MB. I know they don't use the same or even similar processors, but the work done in cutting it down would be just as applicable to the DS.
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Like I already wrote: a incredible machine port would rock

its note really a game but

if some could port/code DsBox or other DOS OP to run on the DS...

twood be nice

I think GPF has already got DosBox working but it's very, very slow.

sonnij_jim: Where did you got this news ? I know he got a DOS Emulator working on Dreamcast, but on the DS ?

Anyway, this would be a really good idea.

From the man himself. I think he ported it to see if it was a viable method of getting Castle Wolfenstein (mentioned in another thread)

remake::KillerInstinctDS

While it couldn't be emultated, the DS could EASILY handle a 1:1 and better Port.

It'd be somewhat ironic if the DS out64'ed the N64.
Some of you might remember >>
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Aviliable for your home in 2008, only on Nintendo DS !

With assets converted and partially recreated [sprites, sounds, 3Dobjects] a talented person could get this done in a month or two, perhaps even less. Its a pretty straight forward 6Button beat'em up with image sequences for backgrounds and 'video' after all.

With tools like these
and sounds like those
it sure can be damn tempting to start porting

Arguably a lame game,....but it was so cool in 1993 :P
I used to enjoy it for its presentation more than anything.
Add Wifi multiplayer and MovieSelection and it might actually be fun.

However time can be spent better.
And with Rare being part of a 'pretty big' company, even a superfine port would probably have to dissappear within days. blimey

Ok now, Who wants to see a port of Grim Fandango ?
Me, me, me !!!!
[its so straight forward Lucasarts > Now go! print yourselves some money]

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syncope wrote:

remake::KillerInstinctDS
With assets converted and partially recreated [sprites, sounds, 3Dobjects] a talented person could get this done in a month or two, perhaps even less. Its a pretty straight forward 6Button beat'em up with image sequences for backgrounds and 'video' after all.

I think 'a month or two' is HIGHLY optimistic. The combo system in Killer Instinct is renowned for being extremely complex. Besides, the SNES version is pretty much 1:1 (if you ignore the graphics) and that should run on one of the various emulators.

sonij_jim: link ?

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sonij_jim: link ?

Link to what? DosBoxDS? I don't think it's been released yet.

Question is, how could he have told it you without a topic ? (MSN AIM ? I don't think so)

http://gpf.dcemu.co.uk/dosboxdsCW.jpg

A simple search of the forums would have revealed this

Dune 2

seems like it would be fun on a DS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_II
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