#105080 - Darkflame - Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:08 pm
http://news.ds-x.com/
To be honest, I thought this was vapour ware, but its being sold now. (?68)
I notice they give a nice little comment to DSorganiser:
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| A very special thanks to DragonMinded for creating DsOrganize, which we consider to be one of the highest caliber homebrew applications available on the DS today. |
I coudnt agree more.
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#105092 - OOPMan - Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:18 pm
That was a pretty impressive little video, assuming it's all real...
I'm curious about their mention of an "OS" though. Is it really an OS?
Hmmmmm, well, it would be nice if it were possible to use a DS-Xtreme on conjunction with a SuperCard...
How?
Well, DS-Xtreme for the homebrew end, SuperCard for the extra memory. Although, come to think it it, that's kinda redundant. Gah, maybe the SuperCard manufacturers should just squeeze a little mini-USB plug into the SC :-)
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#105106 - tepples - Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:38 pm
| OOPMan wrote: |
| I'm curious about their mention of an "OS" though. Is it really an OS? |
If MS-DOS is an OS, then this is an OS.
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| Well, DS-Xtreme for the homebrew end, SuperCard for the extra memory. Although, come to think it it, that's kinda redundant. Gah, maybe the SuperCard manufacturers should just squeeze a little mini-USB plug into the SC :-) |
That's called a five dollar CF/SD writer. Yes, you have to turn off the DS in order to put the CF/SD card in the writer, but that's the case with EFA-Linker as well.
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#105130 - MaHe - Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:19 am
I couldn't help myself but to think this video is fake.
When he puts DSOrganize on DS-Extreme, there are clearly no files on it.
Now, they could be hidden, but DSOrganize doesn't show hidden files by default ...
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#105135 - OOPMan - Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:09 am
Hmmmm, tepples, you have a point. Did they port FreeDos? *laffs*
But seriously, I doubt the firmware for the SuperCard that handles the basics is an OS really...
Interestingly enough I browsed on over to their (DS-X's) forums. There's a lot of user chit chat but no really juicy tidbits from the devs...
BTW, Mahe, I'm not sure I follow you wrt to the faking...
If I recall, the following happens in the video:
1: Connects DS-X to desktop running Mac OS X (Yetch)
2: Copies base dsorganise binary (Stated to be the plain .nds one...)
3: Disconnects DS-X
4: Starts DS
5: Navigates to apps menu
6: Selects DSOrganise binary and loads it
7: DSOrganise displays complaint screen due to it's directory structure not exisiting and then creates it
8: Buggers about in DS-X, makes a scribble, views it in the browser
9: Powers down
Potentially there's a problem at 7, if DSOrganise doesn't re-create it's directory structure. I can't remember myself, but can it do this. I'm sure I remember doing it once. Wait a second, a good way to test...
*grabs DS and test*
Hmmmm, okay, used DSO to frag my DSO directory and then restart and loaded DSO. It *does* create the directory and files if they are missing. However, I'm not sure whether the screen for DSO grey (The one they claim to be using) is very different from that of DSO blue (Which I'm using...), other than in terms of BG colour.
Well, I think the DSO error message in the version they demo'ed looked a little different from the one on mine...
Maybe they grabbed the DSO source and modified it a little?
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#105136 - Sunray - Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:12 am
Fake? I don't think so.
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=10212
http://www.ds-x.com/dsx/uploads/dsxprod6.jpg
"As production reaches its final stages we are delighted to announce the much anticipated ?official? release date of our new product, the DS-Xtreme. Targeted release date is now set for Thursday the 12th of October. Initial stocks are scheduled to ship out of factory on the 12th and then direct out to your favorite reseller by Monday the 16th. Demand has far exceeded all expectations, so all pre-orders will be fulfilled as a priority. If you have not yet placed your order hurry to avoid disappointment!"
#105156 - OOPMan - Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:21 pm
Hmmmm, that could just be PR...
The "preview" over at MaxConsole also smelt a lot like PR...
It may not be fake, but some elements of it could turn out to have been monkeyed about (The whole OS thing...)
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#105185 - Darkflame - Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:06 pm
All looks pretty darn real to me.
Of course, its debatable if you call it an OS or not, but as a ds-card based homebrew device it seems real.
Also, I notice they are very open too homebrew support. (unlike some unhelpfull card markers)
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#105190 - OOPMan - Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:26 pm
Erm, they "say" they're open to homebrew support. Browsing their websites and forum, however, didn't reveal any design documents, driver specs or anything else tasty posted in plain sight...
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#105198 - NorQue - Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:56 pm
Well, I hope I'm not stating the obvious, but is it possible that they "just" on-the-fly patch homebrew libraries like gba_nds_fat or fatlib like they most likely do it with yarr-stuff?
And, most important, would this be considered to be homebrew support?
#105199 - MaHe - Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:01 pm
OOPMan: The main source of the problem is that DSOrganize creates only one folder, not more of 'em. And that's kinda ... weird.
But if it isn't fake ... if they offer me a microSD version, I'm sold. And if the debugging works. Probably.
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#105217 - Wraggster - Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:11 pm
im supposed to be getting a review sample at some stage.
they are the team behind the xodus xbox modchip iirc
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#105224 - Lynx - Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:13 pm
Why would it be fake? So, it's an "OS" that can launch homebrew? What's the big deal? A NoPass with built in flash? oh.. wow.. I'm not impressed.
So, now for the real question.. How much data will it hold?
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#105231 - kevinc - Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:38 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| OOPMan wrote: | | I'm curious about their mention of an "OS" though. Is it really an OS? |
If MS-DOS is an OS, then this is an OS. |
Wasn't an OS a software interface between the hardware and applications? AFAIK, MS-DOS did IO, memory management; I didn't see any programs running through Xtreme-OS.
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#105234 - HyperHacker - Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:44 pm
AFAIK, an operating system is software that loads other software into memory and runs it, providing services (usually functions that can be called) to interact with hardware. Most modern OSes are multithreading and multitasking (can run multiple programs at once), but this isn't a requirement.
People tend to incorrectly call anything with a windowing system (Moonshell), built-in applications (DSOrganize), or a file browser (many apps) an OS, but this isn't usually correct. Moonshell could possibly be considered an OS given its plugin system though.
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#105236 - OOPMan - Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:47 pm
Hmmm, you have a point there HyperHacker...
Still, I think we'd mostly agree that Moonshell is not an OS in the same fashion that Linux, or even DOS, is...
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#105327 - Dracker - Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:38 pm
Loader, OS, Menu.
Who cares what you call it?
#105332 - OOPMan - Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:40 pm
Big difference dracker...
Big big difference...
Loader just loads stuff, rom files usually...
OS handles all kinds of things, not just loading of rom files...
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#105333 - Sunray - Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:42 pm
I don't give a shit what they call it as long as it works.
#105447 - Darkflame - Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:10 pm
| OOPMan wrote: |
| Erm, they "say" they're open to homebrew support. Browsing their websites and forum, however, didn't reveal any design documents, driver specs or anything else tasty posted in plain sight... |
They specificaly said they would release drivers.
Probably not before the thing itself gos on sale though.
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| Still, I think we'd mostly agree that Moonshell is not an OS in the same fashion that Linux, or even DOS, is... |
Well, a Moonshell/DSOrganiser hybred seems pretty much a dos match to me in terms of features.
The only main difference I guess is theres no "drivers" as such (for sound, mice) ect.
But then the DS dosnt need that as it dosnt have varying hardware.
(cept for the flash cards).
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#105566 - OOPMan - Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:06 pm
Erm, no, Moonshell and DSO aren't really that similar to DOS either...
For example. Why?
Well...
Hardware <-> DOS <-> Software
Software written for DOS won't run on the HW by itself, since it relies on features provided by DOS (FS, etc...)
Whereas with the DS...
Hardware <-> Software
DSO is software, as is pretty much all the other DS homebrew...
This is probably a bit of an oversimplification really...
Basically, though, I'd say that DS software is running bare metal...
However, we do have DS Linux...
Hardware <-> DSLinux <-> Software
Important to note. DSLinux software won't run bare metal. It relies on the OS to provide certain underlying features...
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#105571 - tepples - Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:54 pm
So what would it take to have a thin layer of operating system about as sophisticated as MS-DOS, even if it just contains file system drivers, a stable touch screen driver, a standard on-screen keyboard, and a few text drawing routines?
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#105580 - OOPMan - Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:46 pm
A port of eCos perhaps?
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#105592 - iball - Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:49 pm
They gave props to DragonMinded and in return he ceased working on DSOrganize and removed it completely from his site.
Excellent way to gain manufacturer "trust" there.
No wonder "other" flashcart manufacturers don't release the source to their drivers...
#105593 - Lick - Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:57 pm
iball, you really twisted the timeline for your illogical reasoning.
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#105594 - iball - Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:21 pm
| Lick wrote: |
| iball, you really twisted the timeline for your illogical reasoning. |
How so? They posted those "props" on 18 SEP 2006 and DM got a wild hair up her a$$ and "quit" on 30 SEP 06. Only thing posted on 18 SEP 06 on DM's blog was something about some "card system" that Maxconsole is putting out? She didn't bother to link or give any more detail than that.
Timeline seems correct to me.
I haven't got a flux capacitator installed in the Dodge, so it's not like I can bend time and space to suit my needs.
Yet.
#105604 - josath - Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:13 am
| iball wrote: |
They gave props to DragonMinded and in return he ceased working on DSOrganize and removed it completely from his site.
Excellent way to gain manufacturer "trust" there.
No wonder "other" flashcart manufacturers don't release the source to their drivers... |
Just because event B happens after event A does not mean that A caused B.
And DS-X didn't release any code, or "trust" DragonMinded. They didn't contact him at all (at least according to him).
Sidenote: your first post calls DM a 'he', your second post says 'she/her'?
#105605 - Darkflame - Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:39 am
Dragon Minded was, and might still be, completely unaware of them.
He was pissed of with other card makers who dont release there drivers, and with a few peeps that dont seem to appriate his work.
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