#123021 - Iteo - Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:03 pm
Who is skeptical and who thinks it will work?
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#123028 - DragonMinded - Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:27 pm
My vote isn't on there because there's no option for "I'm using DSO web browser because it already works!"
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#123029 - Iteo - Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:30 pm
thank you. will you develop it to run flash/java? That would be awesome. And ive had some problems with the reliability with your web browser. Is that just because its an alpha?
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#123030 - bjoerngiesler - Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:39 pm
I think there already is one. I am highly skeptical that anyone in the homebrew community can do a better job than the Opera team.
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#123032 - Devil_Spawn - Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:46 pm
| DragonMinded wrote: |
| My vote isn't on there because there's no option for "I'm using DSO web browser because it already works!" |
ooh ooh me too!!!
#123033 - Iteo - Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:48 pm
Sorry guys ;p ROFL
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#123038 - Darkflame - Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:11 pm
Yeah, I trust DSOrganise to actualy be the one that makes it out first :p
Too many projects turn out to be vapourware.
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| I think there already is one. I am highly skeptical that anyone in the homebrew community has the time too do a better job than the Opera team. |
I fixed that for you.
Also, its not so black and white even in terms of development time.
While Opera has a superb small and fast rendering engine, it just lacks functionality that homebrew can provide.
The most basic of which is downloading.
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#123040 - bjoerngiesler - Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:30 pm
| Darkflame wrote: |
| Quote: | | I think there already is one. I am highly skeptical that anyone in the homebrew community has the time too do a better job than the Opera team. |
I fixed that for you. |
Well certainly. Given infinite time, anyone can do anything physically possible. Trivial and also irrelevant.
I agree that Opera can't download. So port wget.
But today, people expect of a web browser to do frames, tables, CSS, JavaScript, Flash, Java... Just think of all the forum posts bitching that Opera can't do Java on the DS, and the Opera folks have ages of experience with building web browsers on many platforms. If you can't (sorry -- lack the time to) do all of that right, you will get more trouble than thanks from the homebrew community.
Bottom line: Forget it & use Opera instead.
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#123058 - tepples - Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:56 pm
Opera won't be here for months.
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#123059 - Dood77 - Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:02 pm
Heh, Gnirfleo was supposed to release a beta today... if I've ever seen a more fake project...
As for the Opera thing, I'm pretty sure Opera did not code the DS web browser, but Nintendo did. I read somewhere when they were talking a bout the wii browser that Opera sells some kind of platform porting development kit, you buy that and then program the browser yourself with the engine.
...Ah, i found the article, look at the question after the screenshot:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/709/709705p1.html
And yes, assuming that Nintendo developed the browser, one of our brilliant minds here at gbadev can do a better job.
#123065 - HyperHacker - Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:41 pm
Opera is not ideal because:
-It's closed-source, proprietary, and costs money.
-It requires a RAM expansion and is compatible only with a proprietary expansion card, so even if you have an M3 or such already, you have to carry this second expansion card just for Opera.
-It lacks features like downloading, and can't be expanded (see #1).
-It has to be imported in some places, and can't be translated (see #1).
DSO's browser works nicely for an alpha, even on my GBAMP. Of course people will complain that Youtube doesn't work and this Java program won't run and blah blah blah... they should take a look at the DS's specs and consider buying a laptop or PDA.
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#123072 - Oliv5400 - Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:11 pm
| Quote: |
| And yes, assuming that Nintendo developed the browser, one of our brilliant minds here at gbadev can do a better job. |
Better than Big N devs teams ? (NST, EAD, Intelligent Systems etc..) or Opera Software ASA ? ( web dev team since 1995 ) humm..
Seeing is Believing !! ;o)
#123076 - Lick - Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:21 pm
Wasn't Gnirfleo alpha-releasng today (March 24) ?
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#123083 - chuckstudios - Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:06 am
| Lick wrote: |
| Wasn't Gnirfleo alpha-releasng today (March 24) ? |
Beta release. He claims to have "forgotten" and will upload it tomorrow. My money is on that he's going to postpone it and postpone it until April 1st, at which time he will make a post saying "5URPR1S3 APRIL F00LZ!" and then many people will want to kill him.
#123099 - six-five-two - Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:24 am
| DragonMinded wrote: |
| My vote isn't on there because there's no option for "I'm using DSO web browser because it already works!" |
You guys are probably going to laugh at me, but DS Organize has a web browser?!?! How do you access it?
#123102 - dantheman - Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:52 am
See the stickied "DSOrganize" topic at the top of this forum, around page 3 or so, for details about the web browser.
In any case, I find it hilarious he could have "forgotten" something of such a large scale. My money's on the April 1st thing as well, though it could turn out differently of course.
#123108 - felix123 - Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:30 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
Opera is not ideal because:
...
-It has to be imported in some places, and can't be translated (see #1).
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Actually, there's a Traditional Chinese fan translation version out now.
Another problem:
-It only works with Unicode, so many Chinese pages (those in Big5 or GB) do not work.
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#123119 - OSW - Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:20 am
| chuckstudios wrote: |
| Lick wrote: | | Wasn't Gnirfleo alpha-releasng today (March 24) ? |
Beta release. He claims to have "forgotten" and will upload it tomorrow. My money is on that he's going to postpone it and postpone it until April 1st, at which time he will make a post saying "5URPR1S3 APRIL F00LZ!" and then many people will want to kill him. |
omg, that made me laugh so hard! i want to see that happen!
#123121 - FifthE1ement - Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:02 am
LMFAO, I can see that happening. I think he'll release something, maybe, someday.
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#123143 - sonny_jim - Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:15 pm
How come there's no option for DSLinux/Links/retawq? Surely that can still be classed as 'homebrew'?
#123145 - Optihut - Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:19 pm
| sonny_jim wrote: |
| How come there's no option for DSLinux/Links/retawq? Surely that can still be classed as 'homebrew'? |
With all the bogus options, I think the 3 real choices should be removed and exchanged by "pie" "waffles" and "cake".
#123148 - Darkflame - Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:31 pm
| Quote: |
| Well certainly. Given infinite time, anyone can do anything physically possible. Trivial and also irrelevant. |
I was objecting to the idea that the Opera developers magicaly can do things homebrewers cant.
It has a ram advantage, sure.
But it was also developed in a finite time, and porting something existing rather from the ground up.
So its not trival or irrelivent.
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| Bottom line: Forget it & use Opera instead. |
The idea that "forget it and use this commercial one" is against the homebrew spirit.
I'm a big Opera fan, and its my PC browser of choice.
But the idea that we shouldnt even bother trying is utter nonsense.
And as for the "getting more trouble then thanks", nonsense.
Most of us here are extremely greatfull and impressed at the Work of Dragonminded and others.
For every twat, theres at least ten greatfull fans.
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| How come there's no option for DSLinux/Links/retawq? Surely that can still be classed as 'homebrew'? |
Can I load programs from a menu without needing to type in stuff yet?
Sorry, havnt been following the Linus dev much.
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#123154 - six-five-two - Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:24 pm
| Darkflame wrote: |
| Quote: | | Bottom line: Forget it & use Opera instead. |
The idea that "forget it and use this commercial one" is against the homebrew spirit.
I'm a big Opera fan, and its my PC browser of choice.
But the idea that we shouldnt even bother trying is utter nonsense. |
Yeah I have the Opera Browser for the DS and it costed me about $55 dollars! I rather sell it in my city (for like $70) and buy myself an M3 Perfect (yayyyyyy). I think Gnirfleo is going to work and be a popular homebrew web browser. But then again, Dragonminded is catching up... and is 2x more reliable aswell.
Wait, will Gnirfleo have support for Slot-1 devices? And will it have images, flash, and videos?
#123156 - dantheman - Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:27 pm
DSLinux is still text-only with no GUI (though I guess nanoX might count for something) but it's really not that hard to use. If you download the "Ultimate Wifi script" all you have to do is type "wifi -<options>" to do a number of things with wifi, from automatically setting up your configuration file to connecting with the default config file to scanning and automatically connecting to an AP via DHCP. Then just type Retawq and you're good to go.
So the steps you would need to do to get Retawq working:
1. Download and extract the DSLinux files, copying them over to your card (linux folder has to be in root, dslinux.nds can be anywhere). Make sure you use a program like 7zip, not Winzip, as there are a few empty folders (like Home) that need to be present, but some extractors will remove empty folders.
2. Grab the wifi script from http://dannysied.googlepages.com/DSLinux_addons.zip (original source link is down) and place it in /linux/usr/bin
3. Boot DSLinux and login if necessary.
4. Type "wifi -setup" to setup your wifi profile.
5. Type "wifi -d" to start the wirless network with the profile you just setup.
6. Once the power light starts blinking rapidly to indicate a successfull connection, type Retawq and hit Enter (or the A button).
#123158 - six-five-two - Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:31 pm
I would use Retawq except I prefer having some colour added.
#123165 - dantheman - Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:55 pm
It's not the solution you're looking for, but you can type "retawq --colors=reverse" to get black text on a white background rather than white text on a black background. And there is some color as well, such as the fact that links are colored differently than regular text. It's still a very usable browser really.
#123176 - Dood77 - Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:10 pm
| Darkflame wrote: |
Can I load programs from a menu without needing to type in stuff yet?
Sorry, havnt been following the Linus dev much. |
The links browser has a menu enabled, with bookmarks and a windows-style GUI.
But no, theres not any sort of GUI for the actual OS yet
#123179 - Mr. Picklesworth - Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:01 pm
I wouldn't call Links' interface Windows-style, but it certainly does have a pretty solid interface. You don't have to memorize any weird key combinations, which sure beats Retawq!
Although yep, the OS itself could really use a menu-driven interface. I have been slowly building one myself using Dialog and a shell script, but it's taking a while partly because I am learning shell scripting as I go and mostly because I am writing / testing it straight within DSLinux. Just if any enterprising fellow happens to be reading this debate again: Feel free to try making an interface with Dialog :)
A nice update has just come about for the DSO alpha. Nothing particularly new, but there are some good fixes. It's much more reliable now!
The sad part about this is that one of these more fancy web browsers will finally be released, people will download it onto their DS via the PC's web browser, then have no idea why they wanted it in the first place.
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#123186 - HyperHacker - Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:08 am
Well I know exactly why I'd want one. Something to do on the can! :-p
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#123368 - sonny_jim - Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:41 pm
| Mr. Picklesworth wrote: |
it's taking a while partly because I am learning shell scripting as I go and mostly because I am writing / testing it straight within DSLinux. Just if any enterprising fellow happens to be reading this debate again: Feel free to try making an interface with Dialog :)
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This is when I feel really bad about having sshd working on DSLinux and not submitting a patch yet. Dev goes a lot quicker when you can use a proper keyboard instead of stabbing at a screen. Another idea would be to get dialog on your pc and test there first. Also I ported a smaller menu app called replimenu. It's a lot simpler than dialog and much smaller.
http://www.dslinux.org/index.php?showtopic=1984&hl=replimenu
#123371 - Iteo - Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:58 pm
Is anyone working on a GUI for dslinux?
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#123379 - HyperHacker - Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:53 pm
| sonny_jim wrote: |
| This is when I feel really bad about having sshd working on DSLinux and not submitting a patch yet. |
Well, why not?
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#123383 - wintermute - Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:08 pm
| Iteo wrote: |
| Is anyone working on a GUI for dslinux? |
hasn't nanox been ported?
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#123388 - Dennis - Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:28 pm
Gnirfleo suck Gnirfleo is FAKE(JOKE)
so why didnt she place it on the site???
now bacuase its FAKE!!!! Okiwi/Dragonminded are cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#123396 - chuckstudios - Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:00 pm
| Dennis wrote: |
Gnirfleo suck Gnirfleo is FAKE(JOKE)
so why didnt she place it on the site???
now bacuase its FAKE!!!! Okiwi/Dragonminded are cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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#123518 - Izhido - Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:14 pm
There's something here that I simply cannot understand. Is this an objective pool? If it is, it should include a "Yes" option of any kind, don't you think? So far, the only options I see on it is "No", "No way", "No fucking way", "I love [commercial webbrowser]", "I love [unfinished h/b 1]", "I love [unfinished h/b 2]", ""I love [unfinished/fake????? h/b 3]", and "post your inane comments"...
(I believe I listed an extra option... I forgot which :D )
And, quite frankly, I wanted to say "Yes", a simple & plain "Yes", even if that "Yes" is not one of the known web browser projects...
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#123525 - jester - Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:19 pm
Well the battles between Okiwi and DSOrganize now i reckon since they both have released "something" taking out DSLinux and the efforts that have made in the past.
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#123542 - sonny_jim - Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:20 pm
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| Well, why not? |
Currently it needs inetd, which I've submitted a patch for but it hasn't been accepted yet. Also it requires some changes in /dev, and the way I've done it probably isn't the best. I've tried compiling sshd standalone but somethings not working properly (forking I think).
#123722 - Iteo - Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:45 pm
Gnirfleo might be real! We actually have a video of it working. Either the person made a simple photoslideshow to link to different images, or it is actually real. gnirfleo.blogspot.com. check the most recent post!
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#123744 - MaHe - Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:18 pm
| jester wrote: |
| Well the battles between Okiwi and DSOrganize now i reckon since they both have released "something" taking out DSLinux and the efforts that have made in the past. |
Actually, DSLinux is still FAR ahead of bot h DSOrganize and Okiwi ...
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#123749 - tepples - Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:43 pm
Even on a SLOT-1 card or a SuperCard Rumble or an M3 Pro or a GBAMP v2? I thought a recent version of DSLinux made retawq and Links stop working without the extra 32 MB of RAM.
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#123771 - dantheman - Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:23 pm
I'm guessing that the "recent version" you're referring to is the fairly recent release of the DLDI version, which allows it to access the filesystems of most DLDI-enabled devices. Unfortunately, it won't boot at all on some devices like the Supercard DS. Either way, Retawq is packaged with it, and as far as I know it should still work on a slot-1 card or other non-RAM-enabled device. Basically, the DLDI version actually allowed Retawq to be used on some devices it never could be used on before, as previously these users would be restricted to the WMB build that does not have Retawq included.
#123790 - HyperHacker - Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:55 am
Nope, recent versions don't have enough memory to run Retawq (or Perl :-() on GBAMP.
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