#130189 - Alias1 - Thu May 31, 2007 7:29 pm
One thing that has really suprised me is that nobody has yet (that i have seen) created a Linux live CD with the specific purpose of DS/GBA development
it seems like the perfect candidate, as long as the OS boots correctly, and you have USB support, there shouldnt be any issues. hardware not being dectected/utilised correctly isnt an issue when all you need is 2D, and a USB disk
As long as the USB works fine (Never seen a pc where USB hasnt been seen fine) you could store your Source files there.
many flashcarts either function via usb plugin (ala DS-X and Firelinker), or use flash cards, which most of the time are read by usb devices, so you could upload created .NDS straight to most Carts
It would also make documenting how to use the development software+enviroment much easyer, as you could have just one to aim for
Heck, i'd chip in ?15 if somebody did a full version of this, prehaps updated it once a month.
(there are even tools for Knoppix and Slax to make it really easy, you could probably do it in a few hours with the know-how, i just wish i understood linux better)
You could even do a USB version (and likely make it <40MB) and sell it, and give the proceeds to the developers of Devkit, and so on
#130209 - sonny_jim - Thu May 31, 2007 9:40 pm
Good idea, someone was thinking of doing something similar for DSLinux. I'd say making it a CD/DVD iso with saving to USB rather than a USB bootable image, as I still have trouble getting motherboards to boot from USB properly
#130214 - Lick - Thu May 31, 2007 10:09 pm
Like all things geeky about Linux: why?
Let an OS be an OS and a toolchain be a toolchain?
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#130221 - Alias1 - Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:23 am
| Lick wrote: |
Like all things geeky about Linux: why?
Let an OS be an OS and a toolchain be a toolchain? |
i stated why in my first post
| Quote: |
| It would make documenting how to use the development software+enviroment much easyer, as you could have just one to aim for |
Support would be so much easyer if you knew the exact enviroment the troubled user was in
it ofc , also makes it much easyer for a new user to wet his feet
Everything is a constant, so you can write (and put on the disk) a tutorial that walks the user through all of the basic steps of creating a basic program
Its a couple of hours work for somebody who knows the Toolchain and the OS well, so i ask, why not? ;)
#130295 - HyperHacker - Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:28 am
WTF? Load a whole separate OS to code? I like to code in the same environment I do everything else in. How will I browse the web, IM, and play music while coding in your environment? Does Textpad run in your OS? What's to prevent having a million different variables just because you run a different OS?
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#130307 - TJ - Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:11 am
It sounds like a terrible idea, to be perfectly honest.
While I do believe that Windows is a completely worthless platform to be programming on, this certainly isn't the best answer. The person would be much, much, better off just installing everything onto their machine, dual booting if they want.
If you can't figure out how to install Ubuntu or one of the other "friendly" distributions, there is no way you are going to be programming anything of any use in the first place.
#130317 - gm112 - Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:07 am
The DS itself isn't something to be doing that kind of stuff on. Considering the fact that you only have 32 extra megs from a couple GBA Flash carts and no MMU. That would be like trying to run vista :S.
#130332 - Alias1 - Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:43 am
| gm112 wrote: |
| The DS itself isn't something to be doing that kind of stuff on. Considering the fact that you only have 32 extra megs from a couple GBA Flash carts and no MMU. That would be like trying to run vista :S. |
heh, a live CD doesnt boot on the DS
its a CD based copy that you boot on your pc
And TJ has highlighted exactly what i was getting at
your right, windows is just a mess to use, so you expect somebody to install an entire OS, just so they can see if they like Developing for the DS?
thats a touch Elitist
It doesnt matter if a user doesnt end up making somthing "Useful" , if more people try out DS dev because it doesnt require installing an OS, it would increase the public mindshare about Homebrew.
And besides, if they decide they like it, they can install it from the CD to the PC
@Hyperhacker, lay off the coffee mate :P
Linux has versions of Messanging clients, media players, and i'm pretty certain there are textpad programs ;)
and FYI, my laptop dual boots ubuntu, but is only booted into for Devkitpro as the hardware doesnt support linux well at all
#130336 - simonjhall - Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:24 am
What's wrong with programming under Windows? DKA works really well in Windows (well done Wintermute) and behaves exactly like the commerical toolchains that I use at work ;-)
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#130362 - tepples - Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:15 pm
What I want to see more than a bootable version of devkitARM is a portable app version of devkitARM. This way, I can take my tools and projects with me on a USB stick for use whenever I'm at someone else's home PC.
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#130374 - Alias1 - Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:10 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| What I want to see more than a bootable version of devkitARM is a portable app version of devkitARM. This way, I can take my tools and projects with me on a USB stick for use whenever I'm at someone else's home PC. |
Great point, You ofc could do both
you could boot to USB, have the whole OS there and your projects
same OS, same enviroment, same projects
and ofc, its easy to simply copy a project from USB>Main PC and the other way
As for windows vs linux for programming, thats not a can of worms i want to open and derrail the thread (theres plenty of discussion on the web about that already)
#130395 - HyperHacker - Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:49 pm
| Alias1 wrote: |
| Linux has versions of Messanging clients, media players, and i'm pretty certain there are textpad programs ;) |
Right, but will this live CD? And does Linux have Textpad specifically?
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#130398 - Alias1 - Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:16 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| Alias1 wrote: | | Linux has versions of Messanging clients, media players, and i'm pretty certain there are textpad programs ;) |
Right, but will this live CD? And does Linux have Textpad specifically? |
Looks like its Win32 only, but there are plenty of powerful Text based Editors
#130404 - Dood77 - Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:54 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| WTF? Load a whole separate OS to code? I like to code in the same environment I do everything else in. How will I browse the web, IM, and play music while coding in your environment? Does Textpad run in your OS? What's to prevent having a million different variables just because you run a different OS? |
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If you're on the go and want to code on another computer for some reason, this could work. But like tepples mentioned, a portable version of DKP would work better for this. (ever since I've gotten my 4GB USB stick I've been addicted to portable apps)
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#130411 - Alias1 - Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:28 am
| Dood77 wrote: |
| HyperHacker wrote: | | WTF? Load a whole separate OS to code? I like to code in the same environment I do everything else in. How will I browse the web, IM, and play music while coding in your environment? Does Textpad run in your OS? What's to prevent having a million different variables just because you run a different OS? |
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If you're on the go and want to code on another computer for some reason, this could work. But like tepples mentioned, a portable version of DKP would work better for this. (ever since I've gotten my 4GB USB stick I've been addicted to portable apps) |
it is likely a fair bit more work as well :P
i'd love either tbh
i just get annoyed when i spend 30 mins waiting at a freinds house for her to finish getting ready (makeup my arse), when i could be doing that quick code fix i have been meaning to do :P
#130423 - Dood77 - Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:54 am
| Alias1 wrote: |
| i just get annoyed when i spend 30 mins waiting at a freinds house for her to finish getting ready (makeup my arse), when i could be doing that quick code fix i have been meaning to do :P |
heh, most of my friends would look at me weird if I asked them if I could program on their computers.
"so while you're getting ready I'm gonna do some homebrew on your computer"
girl: "how do you brew beer on a computer??"
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#130434 - tepples - Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:35 am
I guess I'm just spoiled by the portable version of CA65 (6502 assembler toolchain) that I made for NES development while waiting for the bus to come on campus.
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#130467 - Dood77 - Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:13 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| I guess I'm just spoiled by the portable version of CA65 (6502 assembler toolchain) that I made for NES development while waiting for the bus to come on campus. |
Running on... GBA? DS? Windows Mobile?
EDIT: oh wait, portable... USB schtick?
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#130479 - tepples - Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:30 pm
| Dood77 wrote: |
| tepples wrote: | | I guess I'm just spoiled by the portable version of CA65 (6502 assembler toolchain) that I made for NES development while waiting for the bus to come on campus. |
Running on... GBA? DS? Windows Mobile?
EDIT: oh wait, portable... USB schtick? |
It's not Japanese B, it's not British B, it's USB. I made a folder on the USB stick that I copied to someone else's computer running Windows OS, set the path, and started building stuff. I just want guidance in making the same thing for devkitARM that I made for CA65.
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#130499 - Dood77 - Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:50 am
Well, to tell truth I've never messed about with installing devkitARM and attempting any programming, but unless the program requires any proprietary registry keys then copying the program files directory should work fine for running off of a USB drive.
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#130500 - tepples - Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:55 am
| Dood77 wrote: |
| Well, to tell truth I've never messed about with installing devkitARM and attempting any programming, but unless the program requires any proprietary registry keys then copying the program files directory should work fine for running off of a USB drive. |
It does require a couple items in the environment, which depend on the mount point (i.e. drive letter). The drive letter of a USB drive between PCs is unpredictable.
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#130515 - Dan2552 - Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:27 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Dood77 wrote: | | Well, to tell truth I've never messed about with installing devkitARM and attempting any programming, but unless the program requires any proprietary registry keys then copying the program files directory should work fine for running off of a USB drive. |
It does require a couple items in the environment, which depend on the mount point (i.e. drive letter). The drive letter of a USB drive between PCs is unpredictable. |
I'm sure a simple application could check the drive letter and generate a simple build.bat :
| Code: |
set path=G:\devkitpro\msys\bin
set DEVKITARM=/G/devkitpro/devkitARM
set DEVKITPRO=/G/devkitpro
set PAPATH=G:/devkitpro/PAlib/
make clean
make
pause
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(it would replace all the G: and the /G/)
I've been a fan of portable apps since firefox portable had its little site.
#130516 - Joe_Sextus - Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:49 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
I'm sure a simple application could check the drive letter and generate a simple build.bat :
| Code: |
set path=G:\devkitpro\msys\bin
set DEVKITARM=/G/devkitpro/devkitARM
set DEVKITPRO=/G/devkitpro
set PAPATH=G:/devkitpro/PAlib/
make clean
make
pause
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I did something similar to this a while back, but I had a VB.NET app get its path and pass the drive letter from that to a batch file that setup the environment. It worked great, when the machine I was trying to run the CD from had .NET installed.
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| HyperHacker wrote: |
| WTF? Load a whole separate OS to code? I like to code in the same environment I do everything else in. How will I browse the web, IM, and play music while coding in your environment? Does Textpad run in your OS? What's to prevent having a million different variables just because you run a different OS? |
Textpad will actually run on Linux through wine.
#130519 - Dan2552 - Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:09 pm
| Quote: |
| How will I browse the web, IM, and play music while coding in your environment? |
You could download qemu or even Microsoft VirtualPC for free, and just run the compiler OS in a virtual pc (heck, I'm already doing that with XP in a virtual pc)
#130817 - OOPMan - Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:12 pm
Still mostly pointless...
Easy enought to setup DKA on Linux or Windows, so why go to all the extra effort?
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#130837 - NorQue - Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:08 pm
| Alias1 wrote: |
| your right, windows is just a mess to use, so you expect somebody to install an entire OS, just so they can see if they like Developing for the DS? |
Still, where's the point? You won't magically be able to programm just by having all the tools in one place. You either know what you're doing already or you don't, but setting up the development environment should be the least of your problems. If you "just want to find out" whether you like developing for the DS you'd better start reading GBATek, IMHO.
#130859 - Dan2552 - Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:35 pm
For me, the point is becuase I reinstall my operating system a lot. I keep my compiling environment in an image, and store the virtual PC and image on my 200GB USB HDD.
A linux live-cd ISO would probably be a smaller filesize than a windows setup. It could be used it a virtual pc, or even booted on real hardware.
| Quote: |
| Easy enought to setup DKA on Linux or Windows, so why go to all the extra effort? |
Doesn't work on Vista. What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux?
#130889 - Tainek - Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:35 am
| Dan2552 wrote: |
For me, the point is becuase I reinstall my operating system a lot. I keep my compiling environment in an image, and store the virtual PC and image on my 200GB USB HDD.
A linux live-cd ISO would probably be a smaller filesize than a windows setup. It could be used it a virtual pc, or even booted on real hardware.
| Quote: | | Easy enought to setup DKA on Linux or Windows, so why go to all the extra effort? |
Doesn't work on Vista. What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux? |
for aformentioned purposes we are talking <200M
#130916 - tepples - Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:23 am
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux? |
Acquire knowledge of Linux.
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#131048 - Dan2552 - Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:51 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: | | What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux? |
Acquire knowledge of Linux. |
Learning a new OS isn't a quick and easy process, especially if you're planning to develop on it. There isn't a quick and easy installer for linux, like there is for Windows.
#131083 - tepples - Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:32 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| tepples wrote: | | Dan2552 wrote: | | What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux? |
Acquire knowledge of Linux. |
Learning a new OS isn't a quick and easy process, especially if you're planning to develop on it. There isn't a quick and easy installer for linux, like there is for Windows. |
Learning a new hardware platform isn't a quick and easy process, especially if you're planning to develop for it. There isn't a quick and easy game creation tool for ds, like there is for Windows.
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#131088 - Dan2552 - Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:48 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: | | tepples wrote: | | Dan2552 wrote: | | What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux? |
Acquire knowledge of Linux. |
Learning a new OS isn't a quick and easy process, especially if you're planning to develop on it. There isn't a quick and easy installer for linux, like there is for Windows. |
Learning a new hardware platform isn't a quick and easy process, especially if you're planning to develop for it. There isn't a quick and easy game creation tool for ds, like there is for Windows. |
Exactly, you're basically doubling the work by having to learn Linux and then eventually learning what you originally wanted to learn.
#131089 - tepples - Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:58 pm
You can't even use GCC to make Windows apps under Windows Vista, because MinGW GCC doesn't work on Vista either. What Free compiler does work on Vista?
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#131099 - Lick - Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:57 am
As if a Live CD doesn't require you to have Linux knowledge. Tsskk..
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#131107 - HyperHacker - Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:33 am
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| There isn't a quick and easy installer for linux, like there is for Windows. |
Mandrake and Ubuntu both have them.
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#131117 - OOPMan - Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:36 am
| Dan2552 wrote: |
For me, the point is becuase I reinstall my operating system a lot. I keep my compiling environment in an image, and store the virtual PC and image on my 200GB USB HDD.
A linux live-cd ISO would probably be a smaller filesize than a windows setup. It could be used it a virtual pc, or even booted on real hardware.
| Quote: | | Easy enought to setup DKA on Linux or Windows, so why go to all the extra effort? |
Doesn't work on Vista. What do you do without a previous Windows licence and no knowledge of Linux? |
Cry me a river. I don't use Vista and you probably shouldn't either. My home system has both Windows XP and Linux installed while my work PC has only Linux. I don't have any problem doing DS dev if I need to.
Installing DKA is not a lengthy process or a tiresome process. Text editors are not hard to find for either platform. Compilation and testing is easy enough to do on either platform.
There's still be no good explanation as to why one needs a Live Linux distro just for DS development.
Are you some kind of ultra-mobile person who operates only from internet cafes?
Perhaps you feel the need to develop on other people's PC's only?
Somehow, though, I suspect there is not real justification for creating a live Linux distro for DS development other than for the "Ain't It Cool!" Factor, which is largely disposable in my opinion (Kinda like the attempts, every now and then, to get GCC up and running in DSLinux, so that some silly fool or other can have the joy of typing make in his or her DS and tapping out code at a rate of 1 line per 2 minutes on the touchscreen...)
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#131134 - tepples - Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:10 pm
| OOPMan wrote: |
| I don't use Vista and you probably shouldn't either. |
Can new major-brand PCs still be purchased with Windows XP? Can new copies of Windows XP be purchased for new home-built machines? Can a child convince his parents to let him downgrade their machine?
| Quote: |
| Installing DKA is not a lengthy process or a tiresome process. |
Can DKA be installed into a single Limited User account, or does it require administrator privileges? Can it be automatically installed using similar UI to the Updater without Internet access, such as if one has no Internet or only dial-up at a given location?
| Quote: |
Are you some kind of ultra-mobile person who operates only from internet cafes?
Perhaps you feel the need to develop on other people's PC's only? |
How about a child who has had his parents divorce, and he lives at one parent's house every other week and the other parent's house during the other week? I have a cousin like that, and he's already into DS development even in fifth grade.
| Quote: |
| (Kinda like the attempts, every now and then, to get GCC up and running in DSLinux, so that some silly fool or other can have the joy of typing make in his or her DS and tapping out code at a rate of 1 line per 2 minutes on the touchscreen...) |
Maybe not GCC, but I'd like some scripting environment so that I can make better use of my bus time than just sitting and playing Animal Crossing: Wild World.
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#131137 - Dan2552 - Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:07 pm
| Quote: |
| Are you some kind of ultra-mobile person who operates only from internet cafes? |
No, but I reinstall my operating system frequently to keep it clean.
Have you tried reinstalling Devkit from stratch with a slow internet? Atleast with an ISO you could put it on a download manager quick and easilly, and once you have it you can easilly burn it onto a CD.
#131145 - Lick - Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:45 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
| Have you tried reinstalling Devkit from stratch with a slow internet? Atleast with an ISO you could put it on a download manager quick and easilly, and once you have it you can easilly burn it onto a CD. |
Wait, how does the ISO store the DKP installer components -offline-? And couldn't this same method be used to simply put it on a memory device? Why a LiveCD? I fail to see the connection beteen DKP installer offline and LiveCD.
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#131148 - Dan2552 - Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:03 pm
| Lick wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: | | Have you tried reinstalling Devkit from stratch with a slow internet? Atleast with an ISO you could put it on a download manager quick and easilly, and once you have it you can easilly burn it onto a CD. |
Wait, how does the ISO store the DKP installer components -offline-? And couldn't this same method be used to simply put it on a memory device? Why a LiveCD? I fail to see the connection beteen DKP installer offline and LiveCD. |
As I said before I support portable applications, I was just saying a live cd ISO would ensure compatability. I'm not in desperate need of an ISO, I already have my development environment.
The ISO would have DKP preinstalled, so once the ISO is booted, you can jump straight into dev-ing (once you start learning of course). Problem with a live-cd is updating everytime DKP is updated, and of course including other libarys (like PAlib).
#131150 - sonny_jim - Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:21 pm
| OOPMan wrote: |
| (Kinda like the attempts, every now and then, to get GCC up and running in DSLinux) |
I've got feeling that a lot of people trying to get a port of GCC on DSLinux are only interested in using the DS as a wireless 'cracking' tool, as they normally ask for stuff like Kismet as well. Anyone with half a brain understands the complete uselessness of having GCC on such underpowered device, especially when you can use ssh/ftp to create and collect binaries off an external server.
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#131152 - meshounah - Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:39 pm
no need to make a livecd... just remaster debian with the dev tools installed.
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#131161 - Dan2552 - Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:51 pm
| sonny_jim wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: | | (Kinda like the attempts, every now and then |
.... |
Huh? I don't remember saying that. :p wrong name
#131182 - HyperHacker - Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:00 am
| sonny_jim wrote: |
| Anyone with half a brain understands the complete uselessness of having GCC on such underpowered device, especially when you can use ssh/ftp to create and collect binaries off an external server. |
If you have Internet access.
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#131184 - Lick - Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:08 am
| HyperHacker wrote: |
| sonny_jim wrote: | | Anyone with half a brain understands the complete uselessness of having GCC on such underpowered device, especially when you can use ssh/ftp to create and collect binaries off an external server. |
If you have Internet access. |
Still doesn't counter the uselessness of GCC on such a device. It's just a matter of development platform and target platform.
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#131194 - tepples - Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:09 am
It's too bad the latest stable version of TCC is x86 only.
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#131259 - OOPMan - Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:20 am
| tepples wrote: |
| OOPMan wrote: | | I don't use Vista and you probably shouldn't either. |
Can new major-brand PCs still be purchased with Windows XP? Can new copies of Windows XP be purchased for new home-built machines? Can a child convince his parents to let him downgrade their machine? |
If I may remind youu, Dell recently reversed their decision to pre-install only Vista on new PCs. They once more offer the option to install Windows XP. They've also started offering pre-installed Linux options :-)
As for said Child:
Step 1: Download VMPlayer
Step 2: Download a Virtual Appliance Linux distro
Step 3: Install DKA
| tepples wrote: |
| Quote: | | Installing DKA is not a lengthy process or a tiresome process. |
Can DKA be installed into a single Limited User account, or does it require administrator privileges? Can it be automatically installed using similar UI to the Updater without Internet access, such as if one has no Internet or only dial-up at a given location? |
I have no idea about the windows situation, but on my linux system it's quite easy to get DKA up and running under a normal user account. If this is not the case in Windows, well, ouch, too bad I guess.
Has anyone actually tested using DKA in a normal limited user account...
| tepples wrote: |
| Quote: | Are you some kind of ultra-mobile person who operates only from internet cafes?
Perhaps you feel the need to develop on other people's PC's only? |
How about a child who has had his parents divorce, and he lives at one parent's house every other week and the other parent's house during the other week? I have a cousin like that, and he's already into DS development even in fifth grade. |
Somehow I imagine that's the exception rather than the rule. Feel free to put together a custom live distro for your cousin though. Might make a nice geek birthday present...
| tepples wrote: |
| Quote: | | (Kinda like the attempts, every now and then, to get GCC up and running in DSLinux, so that some silly fool or other can have the joy of typing make in his or her DS and tapping out code at a rate of 1 line per 2 minutes on the touchscreen...) |
Maybe not GCC, but I'd like some scripting environment so that I can make better use of my bus time than just sitting and playing Animal Crossing: Wild World. |
There is no better way to spend your bus time than playing Animal Crossing. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, hmmmmmmmm?
| Dan2552 wrote: |
No, but I reinstall my operating system frequently to keep it clean.
Have you tried reinstalling Devkit from stratch with a slow internet? Atleast with an ISO you could put it on a download manager quick and easilly, and once you have it you can easilly burn it onto a CD. |
Perhaps you should reconsider your choice of OS if it's that necessary to re-install so often. If you're doing it just for fun, though, that's your grave.
As for installing DKA from scratch, here's a lesson for the lazy:
Do Not Use The Internet Installer. You'll save yourself time and slow-connection hassles by just having the zips pre-downloaded.
If you're not compentent enough to install DKA on Windows using the zip's from SourceForge, then you're not competent enough to use DKA.
Let me outline the ridiculousness of this all to you, though...
You want to package up a Linux distro simply to run a piece of software that comes in at under 20mb compressed.
If you're still set on it, though, maybe you should look into simply adding DKA into the Damn Small Linux distro? Possibly a less foolish idea than custom-creating a Linux Live CD for DKA...
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#131266 - Lick - Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:49 am
Agreed, with OOPMan. You people keep fighting for the (pardon me) case of the brainless, while it's pretty obvious that developers who plan to develop for the DS need to have brains anyway.
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#131270 - MrD - Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:59 am
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| Maybe not GCC, but I'd like some scripting environment so that I can make better use of my bus time than just sitting and playing Animal Crossing: Wild World. |
Can I suggest a pen and paper? :)
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#131533 - Alias1 - Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:06 am
[quote="OOPMan"][quote="tepples"] | OOPMan wrote: |
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You want to package up a Linux distro simply to run a piece of software that comes in at under 20mb compressed.
If you're still set on it, though, maybe you should look into simply adding DKA into the Damn Small Linux distro? Possibly a less foolish idea than custom-creating a Linux Live CD for DKA... |
*points to begining of thread, where i mentioned that there are LiveCD/USB Distos in place, which only require a couple of hours to setup with the packages needed*
As for Reconsidering OS, Once i can run 99% of availible software on linux, run all the latest and greatest games full speed, and not need to spend an hour tweaking WINE etc (only to find somthing doesnt work), i'll use Linux full time
Until then, Windows will be my primary OS
you use Linux, how nice for you, that doesnt make anybody using Windows less important/relevant to the Development team than you
Your posts all reek of *its not useful/Relevant for me, so it cant be useful/Relevant period*
Somebody mentioned that to make anything significant with the toolchain you need the know-how to do other advanced things
tell me this, how many kids with Chemestry sets did anything useful, any kids cure cancer?
You'll prevent my kid from getting a Chemestry set over my dead body, useful or not ;)
Lighten up, this is a freindly forum, no need to insult everyone and act like somebody keeps pissing in your coffee ;)
#131535 - tepples - Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:17 am
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| As for Reconsidering OS, Once i can run 99% of availible software on linux, run all the latest and greatest games full speed |
All the latest and greatest DS games work directly on your DS :)
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#132972 - Creebo - Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:18 am
May I suggest the use of Damn Small Linux? It's about 50MB, can be burned to a CD, installed on a HDD or USB storage device. Oh did I mention that one version has a virtual pc application that boots DSL in Windows? Sounds like the perfect candidate to me. Hell, I would even do it.
#132976 - OOPMan - Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:09 am
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*points to begining of thread, where i mentioned that there are LiveCD/USB Distos in place, which only require a couple of hours to setup with the packages needed*
As for Reconsidering OS, Once i can run 99% of availible software on linux, run all the latest and greatest games full speed, and not need to spend an hour tweaking WINE etc (only to find somthing doesnt work), i'll use Linux full time
Until then, Windows will be my primary OS |
Here at my workplace we try not to play games. It tends to get in the way of actual work. Hence, Linux is a good choice.
I find it a good choice at home as well. I do all my gaming on the DS and hence Windows is now largely irrelevant for me, so I just don't use it very much at all.
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| you use Linux, how nice for you, that doesnt make anybody using Windows less important/relevant to the Development team than you |
Which is why DKA works on Windows...
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| Your posts all reek of *its not useful/Relevant for me, so it cant be useful/Relevant period* |
No, it reeks of "I don't have the patience to deal with people who are too stupid to even get DKA set up on Windows".
Like I said before. If you're not "qualified" to use DKA on windows, you're not "qualified" to program for the DS. And by qualified I mean competent, in this case.
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tell me this, how many kids with Chemestry sets did anything useful, any kids cure cancer?
You'll prevent my kid from getting a Chemestry set over my dead body, useful or not ;) |
You know, somehow I suspect that DragonMinded is not a 14-year old kid. Same goes for WinterMute, SimonJHall, Lick and the rest of the GBADev crew who actually produce stuff.
I see no reason to pander to kiddies when they don't actually do much more they post "I have this great plan for a game! Can someone tell me what a GCC is so I can make it?!?"
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| Lighten up, this is a freindly forum, no need to insult everyone and act like somebody keeps pissing in your coffee ;) |
Actually, I wasn't going out of my way to insult people. I reserve that for other forums ;-)