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DS Misc > Wifi speed and Wifi dongle

#133063 - yellowstar - Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:02 am

Click here for the latest problem.

What is the best WiFi dongle
for homebrew?(This includes dongles that
need hacked drivers.)


I know about Datel's WiFi Max,
and Nintendo's USB WiFi Connector.

Which is better:
Datel's dongle, or Nintendo's dongle?


I want to get a dongle because,
were I live I am stuck with slow Dial-Up. )=
So I can't use a router because of that.

I have searched the Internet,
and dongles work with Dial-Up.(at least WiFi Max.)

EDIT:
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Last edited by yellowstar on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:45 pm; edited 23 times in total

#133102 - jetboy - Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:57 am

yellowstar wrote:
Has anybody had any problems with a WiFi Max?


Has anybody hadnt? There are posts here and around the internet describing troubles people had with it. I dont have that hardware myself so i'm not sure, but last i checked they couldn't make it work right with DS (i might be not up to date).

#133194 - Dood77 - Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:05 am

For official games, don't expect anything short of leaderboards, etc. over dial-up. No actual gameplay over the internet is possible, without a half-second of lag, which would likely get you booted from the server or crash the game.
I would recommend going to a computer store and asking for a dongle that works with lower operating systems, and has a generic software access point included. (not ad-hoc)
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#133263 - tepples - Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:11 pm

Dood77 wrote:
For official games, don't expect anything short of leaderboards, etc. over dial-up. No actual gameplay over the internet is possible, without a half-second of lag, which would likely get you booted from the server or crash the game.

Even with Tetris DS? In tetromino game, there really isn't any activity more than once every half second unless you're some tetromino demigod or something.
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#133278 - Dood77 - Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:25 pm

I'm no expert in network dealings usually, and I've never even so much as looked at network code for a game, but to my experience it doesn't matter how much data needs to be sent, because if the game was programmed professionally with modern anti-lag techniques, it's not going to like a 400+ms ping. Neither are Nintendo's servers, I'm guessing.

Plus, even in the most casual of matches, TetrisDS does send data more often than every half second. Look at a 4 player match, and remember that the top screen shows your opponents screens, where they have their current tetrimino, etc.

Granted, a game like quake was programmed with the knowledge that people will be using it on dial-up, so people can play it over dial up, just having to wait almost a half second after they click before their rocket fires. (hence LPBs and HPBs)

I guess why I have so little faith in dail-up with DS online games is because they weren't programmed to run over dial-up.
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#133345 - jetboy - Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:23 pm

Ok. I need wifi dongle too.
What mother should i get? I know Datel's WiFiMax is a no-no. But what other model should i get to be able to run hombrew and original games. Unlike original poster i have 2Mbit connection so i presume i wouldnt have troubles using it.
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#133440 - Dood77 - Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:20 am

Dood77 wrote:
I would recommend going to a computer store and asking for a dongle that works with lower operating systems, and has a generic software access point included.

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#134250 - yellowstar - Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:04 am

What is the best WiFi dongle for homebrew?
See my first post for details.

#134264 - Dood77 - Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:31 am

All you should need is a dongle that has a software access point mode, then it would look just like a router to a DS. Thats why I said to just ask around at a computer store. Also, the internet connection speed/type doesn't matter in communicating between DS and PC.
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#134280 - jetboy - Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:23 am

I got Asmax, and it works ok.
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#134377 - yellowstar - Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:24 pm

Dood77 wrote:

All you should need is a dongle that has a software access point mode, then it would look just like a router to a DS. Thats why I said to just ask around at a computer store.


There isn't any computer stores(with dongles) that
I know of, around here,
were I live.

There's a Walmart which is about 10 minutes away.(I'am not sure
if that's the right distance.)
But they don't have dongles,
that I know of.

jetboy wrote:

I got Asmax, and it works ok.


Never heard of Asmax before.

I tried goggling it,
but that didn't help much.

Could you, jetboy,
post some URLs to some web pages about it?

Has a lot of people had trouble with it?

Also,
Which online stores have it?

#134432 - tepples - Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:50 am

yellowstar wrote:
Which online stores have it?

Unfortunately, this and "How do I pirate?" are the two questions that cannot be answered on forum.gbadev.org. I don't make the rules.
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#134470 - jetboy - Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:49 am

yellowstar wrote:

Never heard of Asmax before.

Could you, jetboy,
post some URLs to some web pages about it?


Actual model i'm using is: USB WiFi 411G
And the website is... TADA! www.asmax.com

I have slight problem with this thing anyway. When i turn it on i can connect no problem - original games and homebrew works ok, but when i disconnect i need to reset the dongle to be able to connect again. I didnt noticed it first time i tried as i was experimenting a lot. I guess it can be fixed somehow, but for now i wouldnt recomend it.
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#134632 - yellowstar - Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:12 am

Which is better:
Datel's dongle(WiFi Max), or Nintendo's dongle(Nintendo
USB WiFi Connector)?

#135184 - yellowstar - Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:37 pm

I have another question:

When communicating with a DS and PC(the one the
dongle is plugged into),
would the transfer speed be affected by slow internet?(Dial-Up)
If no,
how fast is it?

Also,
When communicating with a DS and PC(
a computer which is on a network,(this other
computer couldn't be on the internet because of Dial-Up)
the same
network
which the one the
dongle is plugged into is on),
would the transfer speed be affected by slow internet?(Dial-Up)

#135210 - Dood77 - Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:51 pm

yellowstar wrote:
would the transfer speed be affected by slow internet?(Dial-Up)

Again, I will quote from a few posts up.
Dood77 wrote:
Also, the internet connection speed/type doesn't matter in communicating between DS and PC.

The DS's wifi can do a maximum of 2Mbps (thats megabits, not megabytes, one byte is eight bits, so 2 megabits is 2048 kilobits (the kilo prefix in computers means 1024, not just 1000) divided by eight is 256 kilobytes. So thats your maximum speed, but it also depends on the program that uses it, as an example I've heard of people's maximum speed using DSFTP is around ~120Kbytes/sec.
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#135388 - yellowstar - Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:39 am

I have a differen't question.

Is it possible to create drivers for WiFi dongles,
and drivers for USB wireless adapters?

And if so,
would it be possible to create drivers(for WiFi dongles and USB wireless
adapters)
for communicating with a DS, over local wireless?(ni-fi)

In other words,
something like WiFiMe.

I don't have a FlashMe'd DS,
but I am trying to make a DS Download Play client.
(Right now, it dosen't make it past the Authication step.)
(I didn't start making it for WiFiMe.)

#138263 - yellowstar - Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:58 pm

Does the Nintendo WiFi USB Connector
work well with an modifed/hacked driver
for homebrew?

Also,
has anybody had problems with that dongle,
with differen't drivers for homebrew?


I have another question.

Is it possible,
for an DS, via WiFi,
to use a computer's internet,(Dial-Up)
which is on a wireless network,(all the computers
on the network would have wireless USB adapters)
without an router?

#138791 - yellowstar - Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:28 am

Does anybody know of any stores(online)
which sell WiFi Max dongles, and the Nintendo WiFi USB Connector?

I'am looking for store(s) with the lowest/or low prices,
for these dongles.

#138822 - tepples - Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:42 pm

yellowstar wrote:
Does anybody know of any stores(online)
which sell WiFi Max dongles, and the Nintendo WiFi USB Connector?

I'm not sure how the question "What store sells product Foo?" could be answered without violating "No promotion of any retailer" in the forum rules.
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#138874 - yellowstar - Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:33 am

tepples wrote:
yellowstar wrote:
Does anybody know of any stores(online)
which sell WiFi Max dongles, and the Nintendo WiFi USB Connector?

I'm not sure how the question "What store sells product Foo?" could be answered without violating "No promotion of any retailer" in the forum rules.


So which forum is the right forum for this kind of question?
The Retailer Feedback forum seems it is only for feedback,
not for asking which stores has a particular product.

#138877 - tepples - Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:14 am

yellowstar wrote:
So which forum is the right forum for this kind of question?

I'm assuming the answer is "not gbadev.org".
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#138897 - chishm - Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:47 am

tepples wrote:
yellowstar wrote:
So which forum is the right forum for this kind of question?

I'm assuming the answer is "not gbadev.org".

Why not try linking to the shop's retailer feedback thread. People can then browse that and make up their own mind. I'm sure a simple "you could try this, that or the other store" wouldn't be violating the spirit of the rule. Perhaps Simon can elaborate.
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#138902 - tepples - Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:41 pm

chishm wrote:
tepples wrote:
yellowstar wrote:
So which forum is the right forum for this kind of question?

I'm assuming the answer is "not gbadev.org".

Why not try linking to the shop's retailer feedback thread. People can then browse that and make up their own mind.

If 100 people each hit 40 listed stores manually, that's a horrible duplication of effort. Besides, some reputable stores that sell some of these products are still not listed.
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#142381 - yellowstar - Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:37 pm

I have a question about hacked drivers.(the drivers for homebrew)

Would a hacked driver,(Nintendo dongle)
work on an older computer?(like Win98)


I have found some stores for dongles.
I decided to get the Nintendo dongle,
and if that fails, the WiFi Max.
I should have one by Christmas.

#147176 - yellowstar - Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:57 pm

Would a 1.5 mbps DSL internet connection
work with WiFi?(DS/Wii)(This is my Aunt that is
considering switching to DSL from Dial-Up, not me.)
(With a router with the correct requirements of course)

I'm assuming it would,
but I want to make sure.
Would there be problems with multiple devices
using this connection via WiFi?
(Like a computer, Wii, DS, possibly multiple DS systems)

#147259 - TJ - Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:12 pm

Quote:
I'm no expert in network dealings usually, and I've never even so much as looked at network code for a game, but to my experience it doesn't matter how much data needs to be sent, because if the game was programmed professionally with modern anti-lag techniques, it's not going to like a 400+ms ping. Neither are Nintendo's servers, I'm guessing.


Latency and bandwidth are completely unrelated concepts. You can have a high bandwidth connection with 400 ms ping, and a dialup connection with 5 ms. Assuming that you will have high latency just because you are on a limited bandwidth link just doesn't work in the real world.

As for bandwidth, many DS games are low enough that they won't even saturate a dialup connection. Using Tetris DS as an example, you will generate 873 Bps on the upload (download is roughly the same, due to the P2P network of WFC games). Assuming the maximum upload of the V.90 spec (33 kbps), you would theoretically have enough upload to support 4 simultaneous games of Tetris DS over one dialup link. Naturally you will never actually hit the maximum upload in the real wold, but a buffer zone of 4x is more than enough.

All technical data aside, many people have played on WFC with dialup using the Wi-Fi Connector and have had no problems. The servers won't kick you, and all functions of the game work as normal. You just need to stick to games that use less bandwidth, like Animal Crossing, Tetris, Clubhouse Games, etc, etc.

#147340 - yellowstar - Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:17 am

I don't think this game would work
to good with Dial-Up,
but I'd like to know if it would work:
Would Sonic Rush Adventure,
in a Race,(not leaderboards, it would probably be unlikely
that SRA leaderboards wouldn't work)
work with Dial-Up?

My brother wants to play WiFi
with Transformers.
Since that game only
downloads/uploads missions,
it would work with Dial-Up,
correct?
Would it work when he would
play with others over WiFi,
instead of WiFi missions,
with computers?

I did some math,
and I have found that all 6 WiFi devices(with 1.5 mbps DSL)
would work if all of the devices sent no more
than 100 kbps.

How long would a Wii firmware download
take over Dial-Up take?(Hopefully
my aunt will get DSL, so we won't have to do it overnight)
(And VC downloads?)

I'm getting a 404 when I try to
download the homebrew drivers for the N dongle.
Goto this topic to help.(Or post in the WiFi hacking topic)

#147369 - chishm - Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:29 am

I've played Mario Kart DS over a 64Kbps connection and it was okay. There is occasional jumping around of the karts due to latency, but it's still pretty playable.

You probably won't be able to have all 6 DSes running from the router at once, unless they all have separate external IP addresses. NAT seems to cause a bit of trouble with the DS-to-DS connections over the internet during a WFC game.

yellowstar:
Could you please not put so many line breaks in your posts. You don't have to press enter at the end of each line in the "Post a reply" message body text input box. It makes your sentences very hard to parse. Honestly, I just skip over most of your posts because I can't read them.
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#147489 - TJ - Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:03 pm

Yes, two DSs attempting to connect to the same game on WFC will almost always fail; it is a limitation of the system (a rather large one, at that).

As for the Wii, while you can update the console over dial-up (be prepared to wait, it is going to be awhile) the Shop Channel is not accessible. The rest of the functions (News, Weather, Message Board) do work, however.

#147554 - yellowstar - Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:44 pm

TJ wrote:
Yes, two DSs attempting to connect to the same game on WFC will almost always fail; it is a limitation of the system (a rather large one, at that).

I assume you meant over the same AP, correct? If so, none of the systems would be playing the same game. But, it would be cool to play Animal Crossing Wii, with 2 other DS systems in the same home. (If they can get WiFi to work with that. Maybe NiFi for local sessions in the same home?)

TJ wrote:

As for the Wii, while you can update the console over dial-up (be prepared to wait, it is going to be awhile) the Shop Channel is not accessible. The rest of the functions (News, Weather, Message Board) do work, however.


WHAT????!!!!!!
You mean I couldn't even start the Shop Channel with Dial-Up?!(Or would it check that once started, then force you to go back if the check failed?)
Why would they do this evil deed???!!!
Well, maybe that will help convince my aunt to get high-speed...
(She only has 5 days left till the deadline, which is when she must renew her Dial-Up. She dosen't use it alot, and she's having a hard time deciding.)

So, everything but the Shop Channel works?
(All Wii Menu WiFi functions, channels, and of course, games)

#147598 - TJ - Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:07 am

You can start the Shop Channel, and it will start connecting, but it will never get anywhere. It will just spin the loading icon for awhile and eventually put up a "Can't connect to server" message.

#147626 - yellowstar - Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:32 pm

I read on another forum, that the server let's the faster connections go ahead of the slower ones.
Since Dial-Up is the slowest, it would be impossible to connect.
Couldn't they design the server to let the slower ones go ahead sometimes?!

Would there be problems with this channel with 1.5 mbps?
(And anything else on Wii)

#147666 - yellowstar - Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:11 pm

I just got a Nintendo WiFi dongle for Xmas.
But, I'm having problems. The official drivers won't work. The hacked drivers works better.

I'm followed the below instructions.(Downloaded files previously before now)(See bottom of post)


Quote:

way back in 2006 i got a nintendo wifi connector for christmas but it kept on not working...okay long story short: If your nintendo wifi connector isn't working or it doesn't work everytime to take it out of the USB follow this guide:
Code:

To do this you need to have this rar file:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S4VLBP9A
or you can get it from here:
http://www.linfoxdomain.com/nintendo/ds/nin_wifi_Fullpack.rar

Then follow these steps:

1.
If you want to use the official Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Connector as a standard SoftAP make sure you have removed the Nintendo software and drivers as they will no longer be needed.

2.
Inside the Drivers folder of the RAR file, you will find modified Buffalo drivers. Install these drivers for the USB Connector. Then install the ASUS software (also in RAR file(eng_2371.zip)). When it prompts you to restart, select No. I have found that there is no need to.

3.
Now in the ASUS EXEs folder of the RAR file, extract the six EXE files in the into the ASUS folder (C:\Program Files\ASUS\WLAN Card Utilities). Make sure you overwrite the existing files.

4.
Then click Start -> All Programs -> ASUS Utility -> WLAN Card -> ASUS WLAN Control Center. You will get a dialog asking if you want to use the Windows configuration utility or the ASUS one, select the option that uses ASUS one and disables the Windows one. Then there will be a wizard. Click Cancel to close the wizard.

5.
Now copy the file (C:\Program Files\ASUS\WLAN Card Utilities\Driver\WinXP\AP\rt2500usb.sys) to (C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers). Make sure you overwrite the existing file.

6.
Right-click on the ASUS software icon in the System Tray (bottom-right corner of screen) and select Wireless Settings. When the settings dialog opens, on the left select Config, then go to the SoftAP tab, and select Soft AP Mode. Then un-tick the Enable ICS checkbox. Then on the left click Apply. You will get a message box asking if you really want to change to SoftAP mode, click Yes. A message will come up saying something like "add the adapter to the network bridge", just ignore it and click OK. If all has gone well, there will be no error messages. Now close the ASUS Wireless Config utility or it will start conflicting when we manually set ICS.

7.
Now go to Control Panel -> Network Connections (this may have opened automatically opened up when you Applied the SoftAP settings). Right-click on the Network Adapter you are currently accessing your Internet through (or your internet connection icon) and open the properties for that connection. Go to the Advanced tab, and click "Allow other network users to connect through this computer's Internet connection". Then click OK. If you get an error message saying the IP address is already in use, disable the Network adapter you are trying to share then try again - be sure to enable it again afterwards. It can take a long time for ICS to be enabled so wait patiently.

8.
Now right-click on the Wireless Network Connection and click Properties. In the middle of the dialog there will be some protocols, select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and then open the properties for that. Windows would have assigned a static IP address if ICS was successfully enabled, check to make sure this IP address does not conflict with other IP addresses on your network. Also, it should be on a different subnet to the Local Area Connection (for example, my computer's IP address is 192.168.0.2, I assigned the wireless network connection the IP address of 192.168.1.1 - which is on a different subnet). If it is on the same subnet, ICS will not work correctly.

9.
With that done, open the ASUS Wireless Config utility again. On the left select Config, in the Basic tab set a SSID. In the encryption tab, select Shared for Network Authentication and WEP for Data Encryption - I have found that this works with the DS. Now enter a WEP key. Go back to the Basic tab, and at the bottom click on Advanced, change the 54g Mode setting to 802.11b only. Click Apply on the left to save the settings.

10.
Now turn on your DS, play a Wi-Fi Connection game, go to the Nintendo WFC Settings, and select Manual Setup. Enter the SSID and WEP Key (both of these are case-sensitive) you entered to the ASUS Config utility before. Select No to Auto-obtain IP Address (you must do this because the Nintendo DS doesn't seem to DHCP correctly with ICS for some reason). Now give your DS an IP Address (this must be on the same subnet as the USB connector). For subnet mask enter 255.255.255.0. For gateway and primary DNS, enter the IP address of the USB connector. Now try and test connection, and if all has gone well the connection should be successful!

11.
Now with the ASUS Wireless Config utility, hide your SSID, and use MAC Address filtering to improve the security of your wireless access point.

Following this made my nintendo Wifi connector work perfectly.



The same thing happened to me as another person:
(But, my connection is normal Dial-Up, not USB)
Kryters wrote:

Quote:
If you want to use the official Nintendo Wi-Fi USB Connector as a standard SoftAP or put it into Infrastructure or Ad-Hoc modes, then you can download the drivers from here: http://users.on.net/~kabeyas/nin_wifi.rar
Before you continue, make sure you have removed the Nintendo software and drivers as they will no longer be needed.

Inside the Drivers folder of my RAR file, you will find modified Buffalo drivers. Install these drivers for the USB Connector. Then download the ASUS software from here: http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/wireless/WL-167g/eng_2371.zip and install that. When it prompts you to restart, select No. I have found that there is no need to.

Now from the RAR file I made, extract the six EXE files in the into the ASUS folder (default: C:\Program Files\ASUS\WLAN Card Utilities). Make sure you overwrite the existing files. Then click Start -> All Programs -> ASUS Utility -> WLAN Card -> ASUS WLAN Control Center. You will get a dialog asking if you want to use the Windows configuration utility or the ASUS one, select the option that uses ASUS one and disables the Windows one. Then there will be a wizard. Click Cancel to close the wizard.

Now copy the file "C:\Program Files\ASUS\WLAN Card Utilities\Driver\WinXP\AP\rt2500usb.sys" to "C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers". Make sure you overwrite the existing file. Right-click on the ASUS software icon in the System Tray (bottom-right corner of screen) and select Wireless Settings. When the settings dialog opens, on the left select Config, then go to the SoftAP tab, and select Soft AP Mode. Then un-tick the Enable ICS checkbox. Then on the left click Apply. You will get a message box asking if you really want to change to SoftAP mode, click Yes. A message will come up saying something like "add the adapter to the network bridge", just ignore it and click OK. If all has gone well, there will be no error messages. Now close the ASUS Wireless Config utility or it will start conflicting when we manually set ICS.

Now go to Control Panel -> Network Connections (this may have opened automatically opened up when you Applied the SoftAP settings). Right-click on the Network Adapter you are currently accessing your Internet through and open the properties for that connection. Go to the Advanced tab, and click "Allow other network users to connect through this computer's Internet connection". Then click OK. If you get an error message saying the IP address is already in use, disable the Network adapter you are trying to share then try again - be sure to enable it again afterwards. It can take a long time for ICS to be enabled so wait patiently.

Now right-click on the Wireless Network Connection and click Properties. In the middle of the dialog there will be some protocols, select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and then open the properties for that. Windows would have assigned a static IP address if ICS was successfully enabled, check to make sure this IP address does not conflict with other IP addresses on your network. Also, it should be on a different subnet to the Local Area Connection (for example, my computer's IP address is 192.168.0.2, I assigned the wireless network connection the IP address of 192.168.1.1 - which is on a different subnet). If it is on the same subnet, ICS will not work correctly.

With that done, open the ASUS Wireless Config utility again. On the left select Config, in the Basic tab set a SSID. In the encryption tab, select Shared for Network Authentication and WEP for Data Encryption - I have found that this works with the DS. Now enter a WEP key. Go back to the Basic tab, and at the bottom click on Advanced, change the 54g Mode setting to 802.11b only. Click Apply on the left to save the settings.

Now turn on your DS, play a Wi-Fi Connection game, go to the Nintendo WFC Settings, and select Manual Setup. Enter the SSID and WEP Key (both of these are case-sensitive) you entered to the ASUS Config utility before. Select No to Auto-obtain IP Address (you must do this because the Nintendo DS doesn't seem to DHCP correctly with ICS for some reason). Now give your DS an IP Address (this must be on the same subnet as the USB connector, I gave my DS the IP address: 192.168.1.2). For subnet mask enter 255.255.255.0. For gateway and primary DNS, enter the IP address of the USB connector. Now try and test connection, and if all has gone well the connection should be successful!

Now with the ASUS Wireless Config utility, you may want to hide your SSID, and use MAC Address filtering to improve the security of your wireless access point.


I followed these instructions carefully. The only problem area is in bold. The "Disable ICS" box is greyed-out at this point. At the point I have put in italics, the box is no longer greyed. However when I click it it says:

Quote:
Your internet connection and home network may be bridged with BUFFALO (model number) wireless LAN adapter. However, "Speedtouch USB PPP ADSL" cannot be bridged.

Only LAN connections may be bridged.



Another thing: What would Ad-Hoc mean for dongles? Would that mean like doing a Download Play transfer somehow with it?

Here's my problem:
I always get this error when doing the WiFi test on DS:
Code 52100 Unable to connect to Nintendo WiFi Connection.
Confirm connection settings and access point settings.

I'm suspicious of the transfer rate.
This is the same error as when that rate is wrong.
The transfer rate never changes, even though it is supposed to
because of the auto setting.(And it won't let me change that)

#147777 - yellowstar - Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:15 pm

I think I found a solution.

I think I need to find/create a Virtual Modem for LAN program. This program would pretend to be a LAN device, so the wireless network for the dongle could be bridged with it, and hopefully work.(Pretend to be a ethernet device,
like the high-speed ones)

I'm googling this right now. Is this even possible? Does anybody know of such software?

#147786 - yellowstar - Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:27 pm

SOLVED!

I had to set the DS ip the same as the PC, except for the submask.(the last digits)

I had a problem with homebrew not working. I have WEP enabled. I found out that official and hb use different network auth. Once I changed it to open, it worked.

At long last, I have a WiFi dongle, and works!!!

#147852 - yellowstar - Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:56 am

I have a problem, and some questions.

Sometimes the WEP key gets screwed,(deleted/cleared, on PC)
and the DS fails to connect. How do I fix this?? Or is it not fixable?

This dongle has bad reception upstairs, were I'd prefer to WiFi. Is there a way to boost an N dongle WiFi range?(I'm assuming so)
Could somebody suggest some devices to do this? It needs to boost the range enough to have perfect signal strength through the entire home.(like a router)(2-story)
Other than these issues, the dongle works great.
Yesterday I played Sonic Rush Adventure and only lost once.

I thought I fixed this, but... When I got off the Inet because of the phone,
every couple of minutes it kept trying to get back on. So far this has only happened with the phone since I thought I fixed it.

I noticed ASUS can do Ad-Hoc. I guess this means like Download Play,
or DS NiFi. How would I use it for Download Play and NiFi?
Would Firefly's PC WMB Host work with it?(I don't have FlashMe, so hb wouldn't work for me)

If I were to get another N dongle, could I use it on my Win98 and use it to connect to my XP for internet? I'm assuming so. If I would setup a Ethernet network between my 98 and XP, could I bridge the wired and wireless connections, and still use ICS?(Internet Connection Sharing)

#147957 - yellowstar - Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:01 am

Anybody?

Look who's on the first page on the Sonic Rush Adventure Leaderboards!
(SKing = yellowstar Zone2 Act1)

It is always trying to connect to the Internet, if it's not on. It doesn't matter
whether or not a DS is connecting, it keeps doing that. I have it set to
connect whenever a DS is trying to WiFi. That's probably part of the problem.
I don't want to disable that. It'd be a pain to connect all the time for WiFi.

Any suggestions for DS Web Browsers? I have DS Organize.
It crashes on text boxes, like here when posting/editing.

My DSX doesn't like this dongle. My PC won't recognize it.

#148083 - yellowstar - Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:11 am

*original post removed*

#148159 - yellowstar - Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:18 am

I'm trying to install WiFi homebrew drivers again. But, I'm having problems.
When I try to install the drivers, Windows REFUSES to install them.
It seems it not even detecting those drivers, even though I'm telling it
to search in the directory with the drivers inside it.
Instead, it only installs the official drivers, which obviously don't work.

Nothing got killed this time, at least not yet. I set a system restore point,
so nothing is toasted if that happens again.

Why aren't Nintendo's drivers signed anyway?(The WinXP compatibility thing)

#148448 - yellowstar - Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:05 pm

Quote:

I have solved my problem, but now my problems are even worse.
(My XP is near dead, it needs a redo.)

It was detecting the .inf files for the official drivers in the default path. That shouldn't happen if you don't install the official drivers first. But, that's what I did.

To fix that, delete rt25usbap.inf in C:/Windows/system32/inf, and delete all similar files. Now it should find the hacked drivers.

Follow the instructions. Don't install ASUS before the drivers. If you do,
the dongle will quit and stop transmitting. Reinstall ASUS to get it to work.
(And everything else needed to install ASUS)


I want to get this dongle working on my Win98. I have found out you can't share Internet, nor can you bridge network adapters.(Tell me if there is a built-in way to do this)

I would to like emulate one of the above.(ICS or network bridge)
First, ICS. I think the program would 'catch' all packets sent and received
on the wireless network adapter and the adapter for the modem.(that would need emulated too)
Then it would send it to the appropriate adapter. The emulated bridge would probably work the same way.

Is this even possible, and on Win98? If so, how?

Of course, I need a Win98 version of the rt2500.sys driver in ASUS.
Anybody?

Playing games, and fiddling with WiFi is the only things I've been doing
lately.(Since XMas)

#148463 - yellowstar - Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:38 am

I found that 98SE has ICS, it's just harder to setup.

Now, I need the ASUS 98 drivers.

Anybody?

#148848 - yellowstar - Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:36 am

Apparently the homebewers whom did this hack, didn't port it to Win98.
I tried installing the drivers, as in the instructions, but ASUS failed to connect
to the dongle since it wasn't the hacked drivers. I tried installing the XP drivers, but now I'm having problems with the computer...(Inet programs crash, and it's impossible to shutdown without the button)(Hopefully I'll figure out how to fix it)

I'm hunting for an USB WiFi adapter, to act as a SoftAP, like these ASUS drivers, except official drivers for this.

Anybody?

Also:
Does anybody know of any Web Browsers which work on gbadev/forums?
(DS Organize crashes when focus is set to the textboxes for posting/editing)

#149902 - yellowstar - Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:16 pm

I have found a USB Wifi dongle.
Would this work with DS/Wii?(Mainly DS, though)
It looks like it. WEP, 2/1 Mbits, 802.11b/g, SoftAP...
I didn't decide on this one yet.(By the way, I don't care about that thing about the PSP. =) )

There's some rt2500 USB drivers on the net. Would these work with the N dongle?

#150105 - yellowstar - Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:50 am

I'm getting high-speed in April!!!!!!!!!! Comcast is coming here then, which is
2 months away at the time of writing this.

#150322 - yellowstar - Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:06 am

*Original post removed regarding an expensive high-speed Inet company, which is coming here*

#150421 - yellowstar - Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:18 am

Would this linksys router work with DS/Wii?

The only questionable property about it is the transfer rate. That page says it's compatible with 802.11b, at 11 mbps. Obviously that's to fast. It does NOT say upto 11 mbps, it says at 11 mbps.

#150422 - john_rampton1 - Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:18 am

That is the router I have, and it works fine. I use dial-up and there is only minimal lagging in some games (Mario Kart when others are snaking), and it works fine with my Wii. I even updated my Wii and started downloading something from the shopping channel.

#150436 - Creebo - Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:50 pm

It doesn't matter if your router supports 256Gbps, as long as it has the 802.11b AND 802.11g protocols it will work. I have a 54Mbps Linksys router and its no faster than my 11Mbps wireless access point.

#150472 - yellowstar - Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:02 am

john_rampton1 wrote:
That is the router I have, and it works fine. I use dial-up and there is only minimal lagging in some games (Mario Kart when others are snaking), and it works fine with my Wii. I even updated my Wii and started downloading something from the shopping channel.

This router isn't for me, it's for my Aunt whom recently switched from Dial-Up to DSL. I'd have to use a dongle Wifi since I have Dial-Up. I experienced Wifi with Dial-Up. It worked great.(This only includes the actual playing, not including the other problems. Right now I can't do Wifi anymore because the N dongle homebrew drivers indirectly wrecked the computer. I'm going to hunt for a SoftAP device as soon as I get these computers back to normal. This previously-wrecked computer is going to be system restored today or tomarrow, seemingly because of that hoax Wii HB website.)
In fact, I played Sonic Rush Adventure races and won most of them too.
How did you use this router with Dial-Up?

Creebo wrote:

It doesn't matter if your router supports 256Gbps, as long as it has the 802.11b AND 802.11g protocols it will work. I have a 54Mbps Linksys router and its no faster than my 11Mbps wireless access point.

I just wanted to make sure. It didn't have the usually sheet with all the transfer rates it supports after all.

#150474 - john_rampton1 - Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:22 am

http://nickjuly4.googlepages.com/dialupwifi.html

these are the instructions on how to use that router with dial-up

#150492 - yellowstar - Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:50 pm

That looks like that one web page that one web page I found long ago, way before the Wii was even announced.(Only Nintendo might have been aware of it's existence)

So, all the computers, and the DS/Wii systems go through one computer for Internet with Dial-Up?

I'd rather not get a router for Wifi. My computers don't even have a physical Ethernet on the back of their towers!(Yes, I know I can add these ports myself, but...)(What would I Google for to find these Ethernet ports?)
I'd have to get a router, some adapters for the computers, and another Ethernet cord if I use Ethernet. To much money!

However:
Is it possible for the computers to automatically switch between being the ICS host and client? Say there's the following situation:

Win98 ------ Direct Ethernet/Wireless Connection -- WinXP
|___________________________________________|
|___________________________________________|
|___________________________________________|
Wifi AP_____________________________________Wifi AP
(Note that the underscores are only so that it displays correctly. Only one system could be an AP at a time.)

This computers would be connected with Ethernet/Wireless.(Another Q: can another PC network with a PC acting as a SoftAP, through that AP?)
In this example, at first both PCs are offline. But, say the WinXP would connect to Inet first. Would it be possible for it to automatically become a Wifi AP, while being a ICS host, with networking with the other machine? And, could the 98 automatically detect that the other machine is online, and automatically switch to ICS client mode, and still network with the other? Now say both are offline again. Say the 98 would connect. Could it automaticly become a Wifi AP, while being a ICS host, and still do networking with that other machine? And could the XP detect if the other is on,automaticly switch to ICS client mode, and still do networking?

#150511 - john_rampton1 - Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:27 pm

yellowstar wrote:
So, all the computers, and the DS/Wii systems go through one computer for Internet with Dial-Up?

Nope, unless the Wii and computers are wired to the router.
yellowstar wrote:
This computers would be connected with Ethernet/Wireless.(Another Q: can another PC network with a PC acting as a SoftAP, through that AP?)
In this example, at first both PCs are offline. But, say the WinXP would connect to Inet first. Would it be possible for it to automatically become a Wifi AP, while being a ICS host, with networking with the other machine? And, could the 98 automatically detect that the other machine is online, and automatically switch to ICS client mode, and still network with the other? Now say both are offline again. Say the 98 would connect. Could it automaticly become a Wifi AP, while being a ICS host, and still do networking with that other machine? And could the XP detect if the other is on,automaticly switch to ICS client mode, and still do networking?

Not that I'm aware of.

#150516 - yellowstar - Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:57 am

Then how does that trick work?

I don't like the idea of having to have my XP online whenever I want to Inet on my 98... I'm not really interested in getting a router for me anyway.

#150584 - yellowstar - Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:45 pm

Okay, I think I have an idea on how this works.
The DS connects to the router. Then, all communications are routed to the ICS host, and that computer deals with getting the packets onto the Internet.
Correct?

#150587 - john_rampton1 - Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:30 pm

Yes that is how it would work, but it I don't recommend using more than one device other that the computer with ICS cuz it would be REALLY slow for each, and you might get disconnected on the DS. (if we're still talking about dial-up anyway...)

#150706 - yellowstar - Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:05 am

john_rampton1 wrote:
but it I don't recommend using more than one device other that the computer with ICS cuz it would be REALLY slow for each, and you might get disconnected on the DS. (if we're still talking about dial-up anyway...)

Yes, we're still talking about Dial-Up. I was think about setting up SoftAP Wifi, with both my DSes,(including siblings)
and maybe my old computer.(Maybe even a laptop... But there isn't any laptops in this house right now, at least not yet.)

Could somebody confirm that this setup wouldn't work? Would it matter if the connection was ICS or not? I did Wifi before with all of my DS systems connected at the same time, without any problems, at least as far as the connection goes.

#151646 - yellowstar - Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 pm

What happens when there is the following situation:


Wifi SoftAP 802.11b/g
|---------------------------------|-------------------------------|
802.11b NDSxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx802.11g only computer

I think that the speed for everything is forced down to the b standard. Is this only only thing that happens? Does the same thing happen to routers?

EDIT:
Does this Wifi dongle support SoftAP?