#140116 - exorter - Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:12 pm
The NDS-TV is comming, if you are a bored programmer then get hired for this one of a kind pryect that will start on December.
more info at : http://nds-development.exorters.com
PS: The NDS TV Already exists in Japan, im trying to reproduce it, because Japan's TV takes a diferent signal, that isnt going to be for america.
PSS: Payment For Developers Is Avalible, forgot to update site.
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#140120 - DragonMinded - Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:32 pm
Pardon my frankness, but this looks like a total scam. You tell us NDS TV is coming, and then link to a site with a generic "We will put TV on the DS by having a server with TV on it" message, and a plea to get as many developers as possible. Then you go on to say you will enter the NeoFlash competition. The NeoFlash competition gives out one prize, and the money from it is not enough to split amongst developers. So who will be the one to recieve the prize? Sounds like you.
Then you go on to say that if you like it enough, you will be selling it, but mention later that the development team is free of payment. Again, who is making the money here? You mention that we will recieve cartridges to sell, but must actually sell them all before getting your share. This sounds like a classic middle school fundraising scam.
In short, we are going to develop a product for you for free, and then do the work selling it for you for an unknown commission, but only if we sell a minimum of units.
I do hope that this is a joke.
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#140121 - octatone - Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:33 pm
webdevs that resize your browser need to be executed by firing squad.
#140124 - Vich - Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:21 pm
| octatone wrote: |
| webdevs that resize your browser need to be executed by firing squad. |
QFT
[edit] And I smell something funny here.
Also, I first read 'extorter' before reading the post.
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#140127 - kusma - Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:56 pm
Wow, this is indeed a sketchy case. You want developers to work for free, give away all copyrights, and MAYBE get some money. Good luck with finding someone willing to work for you, you're going to need it.
#140132 - laos - Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:17 pm
| DragonMinded wrote: |
Pardon my frankness, but this looks like a total scam. You tell us NDS TV is coming, and then link to a site with a generic "We will put TV on the DS by having a server with TV on it" message, and a plea to get as many developers as possible. Then you go on to say you will enter the NeoFlash competition. The NeoFlash competition gives out one prize, and the money from it is not enough to split amongst developers. So who will be the one to recieve the prize? Sounds like you.
Then you go on to say that if you like it enough, you will be selling it, but mention later that the development team is free of payment. Again, who is making the money here? You mention that we will recieve cartridges to sell, but must actually sell them all before getting your share. This sounds like a classic middle school fundraising scam.
In short, we are going to develop a product for you for free, and then do the work selling it for you for an unknown commission, but only if we sell a minimum of units.
I do hope that this is a joke. |
Not a joke, merely stupidity
I'm not even gonna start in detail about how pretty much NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE it is to put a TV stream through WIFI, to a 4MB RAM Processor (with something like 66MHZ
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#140133 - NeX - Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:18 pm
Someone's stupid enough. BTW, it's PROJECT not PROYECT. And "inovation"? The only innovation you need is a spell checker.
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#140141 - Dan2552 - Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:11 pm
| NeX wrote: |
| Someone's stupid enough. BTW, it's PROJECT not PROYECT. And "inovation"? The only innovation you need is a spell checker. |
My thoughts exactly.
I have a feeling this isn't going to get any further than just a website.
#140142 - SimonB - Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:24 pm
| Dan2552 wrote: |
I have a feeling this isn't going to get any further than just a website. |
I'm surprised it got that far.
#140147 - Vich - Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:43 pm
| SimonB wrote: |
| Dan2552 wrote: |
I have a feeling this isn't going to get any further than just a website. |
I'm surprised it got that far. |
I'm surprised we're actually posting here.
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My favorite line:
| Quote: |
| "To do this we need as many Developers as we can find" |
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#140151 - Jeremysr - Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:56 pm
extorters.com is the worst-designed site I've ever seen... hopefully you were trying for that!
#140206 - Lynx - Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:25 am
To have "Actual Proyects" don't you have to actually DO SOMETHING?
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#140223 - laos - Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:23 pm
I think a mod can close this, we all get the point, this guy is a loser, and we ripped him up and spit him out
P.S. Close his other threads too in help wanted, C++
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#140228 - Sektor - Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:56 pm
Heh, where do these people come from.
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#140234 - Gunnex - Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:04 pm
| exorter wrote: |
| PS: The NDS TV Already exists in Japan, im trying to reproduce it, because Japan's TV takes a diferent signal, that isnt going to be for america. |
NDSTV for Japanese consoles:
-I'm not sure if it is ever going to be released if it wasn't.
-The plan was that it had an antennae to pick up the signal, not using wifi.
#140287 - tepples - Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:54 am
| laos wrote: |
| I'm not even gonna start in detail about how pretty much NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE it is to put a TV stream through WIFI, to a 4MB RAM Processor (with something like 66MHZ |
How is this impossible? MoonShell video (.dpg) uses a 256 kbps stream, which is well within the DS's 2000 kbps limit, and it runs on a DS without a Memory Expansion Pak. Or does turning on Wi-Fi slow down the CPU like it does on the PSP?
I'm leaving this topic open only to get that question answered.
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#140308 - DragonMinded - Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:00 am
It wouldn't be hard at all. If someone wanted to simply modify moonshell to pull from internet instead of from the card, it would be possible to get a proof of concept in mere hours.
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#140318 - knight0fdragon - Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:24 am
The DS hardware is not capable of achieving 2000 Kbps, you would be lucky if you could pull 1000Kbps with the hardware DS offers
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#140324 - jerbob92 - Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:26 am
man just make it streaming, just get 1 mb from internet and put it in card, clear cashe and download further and so on till you have the whole movie
#140330 - thegamefreak0134 - Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:12 am
As absurd as this entire topic seems to be, I agree. DSorganize has already done a fine job of streaming audio, and although it has a few bugs, I have been able to get high-quality streams playing without any problems.
However, the problem I see is where this television is going to come from. Unless it is broadcast "on-the-air", televised things are usually copyrighted broadcasts, protected legally from un-authorized re-transmission. (Go watch a televised Sports Broadcast for the full message.) We would thus be un-able to legally achieve this over the internet, as we would have no permission whatsoever to re-transmit anything.
Physically possible, yes I can see this happening. In all actuality, I don't see it coming together.
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PS: As usual, I'm prone to being wrong about a thing or two, correct me in that case.
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#140334 - laos - Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:03 pm
that frequency for TV here is very likely going to be Internet frequency, like for high speed internet, much faster than WiFi
and they may still bring it, except with a digital broadcast.
The Nintendo DS will be capable of watching live broadcast from our users, or TV (Cable - Normal) free for a limited time of 7 Months After The Last Version of our TV Viewer is published.
thats bull, you need to collect TV frequencies online to get em on the DS, means you need servers to collect the TV data, which is stealing TV in other words, only certain channels have internet frequencies, and they arnt too great.
The Nintendo DS will be capable of watching live broadcast from our users, or TV (Cable - Normal) free for a limited time of 7 Months After The Last Version of our TV Viewer is published.
Webcams? STFU ALREADY, know the limits of a DS OK?
There alraedy is a FREE MSN messenger, very nicely made, that does that, except the stupid wecams part
and if this is a 7 month project, THEN another. How Long are you gonna slave drive before actual profit comes in
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#140346 - exorter - Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:23 pm
| Gunnex wrote: |
| exorter wrote: | | PS: The NDS TV Already exists in Japan, im trying to reproduce it, because Japan's TV takes a diferent signal, that isnt going to be for america. |
NDSTV for Japanese consoles:
-I'm not sure if it is ever going to be released if it wasn't.
-The plan was that it had an antennae to pick up the signal, not using wifi. |
I know that it isnt comming because of that thing, but anyways, if there are people out there that can support us, the NDS-TV may be possible.
We are making new plans, more info at our site, may not look like development site, but at least it is a site.
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#140347 - pas - Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:57 pm
DON'T you get it ? One non coder can do nothing with a site like this, no-one will help you, hold your breath and code a proof of concept than trying to ask for something that time consuming which wouldn't be worth the effort anyway.
#140376 - syncope - Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:48 pm
sorry for adding to this Non-sense but,
FYI - the 1SEG tuner Nintendo relaesed last year can be oogled at here and here
Looks like DS serial? with a tunerchip and antenna attached.
Like ATSC in the US and DVB-T in the EU, this is just a terresrial digital television standard.
Nice job tearing apart the obvious mockery everyone.
As Dragonminded points out, seems like a 15year old wannabe entrepreneur gave it his best and failed because of all this needless deception (instead of real commitment to get his hands dirty).
Sincerety goes a long way...
btw my favorite quote from the uh 'site' would have to be:
"The NDS-TV is possible, but it may not be directly from TV, as that is elagal, but we can make our own stations, free of charge."
and since I'm really enjoying those acconyms today -
@exorter try it with some DIY !
#140392 - Ant6n - Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:49 am
| extorter wrote: |
PS: The NDS TV Already exists in Japan, im trying to reproduce it, because Japan's TV takes a diferent signal, that isnt going to be for america.
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i thought japan uses ntsc just like the us, so they should be somewhat compatible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC-J seems to confirm that.
#140393 - Dood77 - Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:02 am
I just had an epic battle with his website, I kept on maximizing the window and it kept on resizing it. After an intense tennis-match type scenario I clicked the X.
| Gunnex wrote: |
The plan was that it had an antennae to pick up the signal, not using wifi. |
Well, he did say that Japan's did take a different signal... :P
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#140398 - Ant6n - Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:55 am
but even if and so etc blabla, the gba tv thing should still work on the DS. And if somebody is really keen on getting that to work in full screen, then i'd start from there...
on a side note, analog terrestrial tv is scheduled to be t?rminated in early 2009.
#140479 - Dan2552 - Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:38 pm
| Ant6n wrote: |
but even if and so etc blabla, the gba tv thing should still work on the DS. And if somebody is really keen on getting that to work in full screen, then i'd start from there...
on a side note, analog terrestrial tv is scheduled to be t?rminated in early 2009. |
Isn't that just British analog being cut?
#140491 - GoopyMonkey - Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:45 pm
I'm not sure about other countries, but the UK Digital Switchover begins in a few areas in 2007, and will continue spreading to other areas of Britain through to somewhere in 2012. Shame really, we're being forced to upgrade our equipment to get a couple more channels we can live without. Somewhere I go to quite frequently gets perfect analog TV aside from Five, but can't pick up any Freeview or digital signal.
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#140512 - HyperHacker - Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:16 pm
| Ant6n wrote: |
| extorter wrote: | PS: The NDS TV Already exists in Japan, im trying to reproduce it, because Japan's TV takes a diferent signal, that isnt going to be for america.
|
i thought japan uses ntsc just like the us, so they should be somewhat compatible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC-J seems to confirm that. |
It's not the video format, it's the way they're broadcast. I don't know too much about it, but Japan apparently has "cellular TV" or something that this uses.
| Dood77 wrote: |
| I just had an epic battle with his website, I kept on maximizing the window and it kept on resizing it. |
That's reason enough not to buy anything he makes.
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#140611 - OOPMan - Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:57 am
I somehow doubt Analog is just going to disappear overnight...
Simply put, most people down here in the 3rd world can't afford the largely overrated pleasure of satellite TV and will continue to use and broadcast Analog signals...
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#140917 - Dan2552 - Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:38 pm
| OOPMan wrote: |
I somehow doubt Analog is just going to disappear overnight...
Simply put, most people down here in the 3rd world can't afford the largely overrated pleasure of satellite TV and will continue to use and broadcast Analog signals... |
Well, it's a fact for England. England is pretty ahead with digital from what I've heard from a friend who goes around different countries.
#140938 - Lynx - Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:52 pm
From what I've read for USA, they are going to enforce it for the broadcasters but you will be able to get a box to convert it back for your 1960's TVs.. Now, how much that hardware will cost.. I haven't heard..
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#140957 - Ant6n - Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:18 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_tv#Digital_television:
"In North America a specification laid out by the ATSC has become the standard for digital terrestrial television. In the United States the FCC has set a final deadline for the switchoff of analog service for February 17, 2009. All television receivers must now include a digital tuner. In Canada, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), has set August 31, 2011 as the date that over-the-air analog transmission service will cease in most parts of the country except in Northern Canada.[1] [2]"
Back in Berlin they switched off analog broadcast years ago. You can get the digital boxes (there they use dvb-t) for like 50 bucks now.
#140998 - Dood77 - Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:24 am
How do I know what signal I'm receiving/using? I'm guessing my coaxial cable is receiving an analog signal...? I've just got the basic cable package with comcast, and I don't require any cable box or anything to get my channels, my TV's just plug straight into the wall...
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#141007 - DragonMinded - Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:57 am
That means it's standard analog.
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#141008 - knight0fdragon - Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:58 am
the change only applies to over the air broadcasting, not satalite or cable
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#141046 - Lynx - Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:54 pm
| knight0fdragon wrote: |
| the change only applies to over the air broadcasting, not satalite or cable |
Yeah, what we now know as "Free".. will cost money to get.. ;(
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#141057 - knight0fdragon - Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:53 pm
In 2008, in the US, you can get 2 vouchers for 40 bucks off D2A converters. So it will only cost you about 15~20 dollars
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#141070 - GoopyMonkey - Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:48 pm
Hmm, I guess there's no point in modding my GBA TV Tuner to work with my DS then. :'(
I wish the government would actually ask the whole public whether they wanted to keep analog or switch completely to digital. Now there's no choice of more than 4 channels or not; it more than 4 channels and a digital box/freeview box, or no TV.
Which also means my portable TV will become obsolete.
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#141107 - HyperHacker - Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:35 am
| OOPMan wrote: |
| Simply put, most people down here in the 3rd world can't afford the largely overrated pleasure of satellite TV and will continue to use and broadcast Analog signals... |
Satellite TV FTL. >_>
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#141363 - Lynx - Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:35 pm
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| Which also means my portable TV will become obsolete. |
Good point.
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#141366 - NeX - Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:02 pm
Yeah, but how many of the 950+ channels do you actually watch on sattelite? (sp?) I just don't.
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