#162095 - Szmanda - Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:29 pm
Hi, I'm new to the site, and would like a bit of help on the subject of pirated games. My husband bought them to my attention on a certain site and asked me if I would like some downloading. I know that it is ilegal, but wondered what the general stance is on pirated games in the homebrew community. I have often mooched around this website and have downloaded a few of the homebrew games, colors especially is great. Help on thissubject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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#162099 - Griffin - Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:15 pm
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The first rule of DS club is you do not talk about warez.
The second rule of DS club is you do not talk about warez. |
That pretty much sums it up.
#162100 - kusma - Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:21 pm
| Szmanda wrote: |
| Hi, I'm new to the site, and would like a bit of help on the subject of pirated games. My husband bought them to my attention on mininova and asked me if I would like some downloading. I know that it is ilegal, but wondered what the general stance is on pirated games in the homebrew community. I have often mooched around this website and have downloaded a few of the homebrew games, colors especially is great. Help on thissubject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. |
This is a bit of a tricky question. In general, discussions involving piracy are frowned upon on this forum, for multiple reasons:
- Piracy are beyond the scope of this forum. By discussing it, we give Nintendo (and others) a reason to shut us down. We don't want that.
- Many of us are professional developers, and/or dislike the idea of stealing from our friends and colleagues.
- Pirates smell of grog and sweat.
- Add your reason here.
As of writing, the only forum-rule that explicitly discuss piracy is the linking-rule, but I strongly suspect that you can get banned for other piracy-related reasons if you push it.
Where the "rest of the homebrew community" stands on piracy is not something I can answer, because I don't know. I only hang around here. I guess the rule of thumb pretty much anywhere would be "don't go there", though.
#162102 - Szmanda - Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:19 pm
Thanks,that helps alot, you guys do a really good job developing home brew games!!
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#162103 - silent_code - Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:25 pm
Hi!
I must admit, that I have tried some games on friend's and family's NDS' before buying them and not all of them were legal copies. But, piracy still sucks. Especially, when it's your (my) job to make these games.
Well, I haven't worked on a title that's been released already, so technically speaking, I don't need to worry... yet.
Regular (read: the very, very most of) developers don't "make money" with these games (and publishers take a high risk on their part, especially when giving small, new studios the chance of developing and releasing a new game - that's so serious, it's not funny; not even a little bit.) We always have to work hard to even get something to work on (develop games to make and find means for their funding - a freaking lot of money - some make that in a year or two! -, time and sweat goes into a project before it even gets a budget from a publisher) and secure future deals whenever possible (once you're in the business, doesn't mean you're in for good - you're pretty much a contract worker), but we usually don't become millionaires... Well, usually.
It's hard work and we don't want to become unemployed due to our games "not selling", although being (illegally) played by everyone.
I hope this perspective speaks for itself.
Sharing homebrew is cool, piracy is not!
Please tell your husband to buy titles he enjoys and remove the name of the site where to download illegal copies from your post!!!
And: It's very good you thought about it and asked.
Thank you.
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#162104 - Szmanda - Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:41 pm
I didn't want to step on anyones toes, I don't know the correct etiquette concerning pirated games. I only became aware of homebrew when my sister gave me her games n music card. She'd deleted anything on it, so I was looking for some kind of media player to go on it. I'm pretty bad with computers so everything has to be dumbed down for me, and this site is great, though some recommendations for games would be appreciated.
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#162106 - silent_code - Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:57 pm
Oh, sorry, I forgot the smiley face!
HEre it is: :^D
No, i mean, it: it's good you asked, because most people seem not to care at all. ;^)
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#162114 - tepples - Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:54 am
| Szmanda wrote: |
| I only became aware of homebrew when my sister gave me her games n music card. She'd deleted anything on it, so I was looking for some kind of media player to go on it. |
I gave my GnM card to my little sister after I got done dumping it for Chishm. (I ordinarily use an R4.) DSOrganize 3.1129 and MoonShell 1.71 work for her, except videos like to freeze as if they're "buffering".
| Szmanda wrote: |
| some recommendations for games would be appreciated. |
[plug]
Don't pirate Tetris DS. Instead, play Lockjaw.
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#162144 - Mohammad - Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:56 pm
yeah, gxxtxxx.net is also "against" piracy but everyone does it there, and openly just no linking. So really it depends on who you ask. I really say if you own the game, it's a gray area. If you don't then it's just beyond a red area. (You wouldn't open the case inside of a store and take the cartage home, if you knew you weren't going to get caught because it feels wrong. So it should be the same online)
[Obscured domain name. In the past, gbadev.org administrators have ruled that sites with open discussion of getting particular commercial titles to run on a flash card are still deemed "relating to piracy" under the rules, even if they don't link to roms. --MOD]
#162145 - silent_code - Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:14 pm
Friendly reminder: You are not allowed to download any illegal copies. Not even, if you own a legitimate copy.
This may vary from country from country, but I read it often when people ask if it's legal to download something they already own. Like movies... (Why would anyone like to download something they already paid for? It's not exactly rocket science to transcode movies and music for mobile devices... just take SUPER and there you go - it's even easier than finding the means to download illegal copies.)
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#162172 - elwing - Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:54 am
| silent_code wrote: |
| You are not allowed to download any illegal copies. Not even, if you own a legitimate copy. |
some country even tolerate downloading when you do not own the original (whilest downloading from an illegal source would be illegal, we have there a case that makes precedence where the user was declared not guilty since he can not know if the source is illegal...). now that is still a grey area but the fact is that they only punish sharing in our country... that doesn't change the position of gbadev at all and all piracy discution are baned there, but all these discution about what is piracy just raise a question, is the "piracy" clearely defined there? and if yes on which base?
#162180 - Mohammad - Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:58 pm
it's a legal gray scale area if you own the game, it's really up to the judge. However if you dump it yourself (which isn't that hard) it's okay, you're allowed to make copies of DVDs as long as they aren't encrypted because it's illegal to brake encryption... loop hole....
#162184 - sgeos - Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:47 pm
| Mohammad wrote: |
| it's a legal gray scale area if you own the game, it's really up to the judge. *SNIP details* |
As another poster pointed out, it depends on the country. FWIW, there are countries where piracy is openly tolerated, so any laws against it that may exist in those places are more or less meaningless. All of this this really is beyond the scope of this discussion though. What is important is that people get in trouble and places get shut down by breaking the rules where rules matter. Since a lot of servers are located in places where rules matter, rules tend to matter in general.
Basically, this forum is not a channel for piracy, or behavior related to piracy. End of story. Either give up or take the conversation somewhere else.
-Brendan
#162205 - Mohammad - Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:39 am
lol I'm not saying it's okay, in fact if you read I said it's not ;) Dumping your own I think is okay, she was asking what we thought, not what the laws think. "I knot that it is ilegal,"
#162208 - tepples - Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:05 am
| Mohammad wrote: |
| However if you dump it yourself (which isn't that hard) |
"how do i dumped nes?"
| sgeos wrote: |
| As another poster pointed out, it depends on the country. |
Netcraft says gbadev.org moved from Australia to the United States sometime between September 2002 and March 2003.
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#162243 - sgeos - Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:02 pm
| tepples wrote: |
| sgeos wrote: | | As another poster pointed out, it depends on the country. |
Netcraft says gbadev.org moved from Australia to the United States sometime between September 2002 and March 2003. |
Both of these regions enforce copyright law to the extent they can.
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#162373 - GoopyMonkey - Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:00 pm
As far as I can remember, (at least in the UK) it is legal to make one copy of a game/DVD, as long as there is only one copy and if you lose/sell the original, you must destroy the backup. But I know it's also against the rules to discuss "backups" here, so I'll leave it at that. I'm sure That Other Site will help you there (which I am also a part of).
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#162374 - keldon - Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:17 pm
Simple answer; regardless of the law, no discussion ^_^ And why, if you were smart enough to find this place ...
As for the law; fair use iirc allows backup copies (as well as disassembly for works that contain knowledge that is not publicly available) to be made, but copyright law prohibits its distribution of copyrighted material, as well as public releases of derivative works of the disassembled media.
n.b. haven't done this since 2003 module on computers & society (inc law).