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Found an interview with Sgstair. Evidently he is pretty close to getting WiFi on DS working and seems like he should be finished soon. This has been on the net for a week, I'm surprised no one has posted anything.

Check out the interview here:
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2005/09/13/ds-wifi-hack-imminent/
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This is Sgstair's site: http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
I hope he finish it soon :)

I wonder... is there enough free space in the firmware to allow for the TCP/IP stack and booting from an HTTP or SMB source so that you don't need a Ralink PCI card and Windows OS every time you want to WMB?
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Can't wait.

DS bounty is coming to him :D
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I can't wait either
I hope someone makes a homebrew browser...i would, but I don't know enough C/C++

(I know a bit of java though)
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wifi almost working hu? wonder how long till DS gets internet....
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I would much rather see wireless multiplayer, streaming video/audio, mp3 streaming and possibly a WMB transfer app. ( to be able to send apps to others from the DS itself) than a half @$$ed web browser.
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lambi1982 wrote:

I would much rather see wireless multiplayer, streaming video/audio, mp3 streaming and possibly a WMB transfer app. ( to be able to send apps to others from the DS itself) than a half @$$ed web browser.

that too would be cool
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lambi1982 wrote:

I would much rather see wireless multiplayer, streaming video/audio, mp3 streaming and possibly a WMB transfer app. ( to be able to send apps to others from the DS itself) than a half @$$ed web browser.

I'll take the half @$$ed web-browser anyday. Come on, you know it would be fun just to show your friends: "Look, I can check SlashDot on my DS"

Oh, and you forgot an IM client, VNC and WinAmp remote.
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lambi1982 wrote:

I would much rather see wireless multiplayer, streaming video/audio, mp3 streaming and possibly a WMB transfer app. ( to be able to send apps to others from the DS itself) than a half @$$ed web browser.

Amen!

A MP3 player capable of playing internet streams, or streaming files from shared network drives would rock my world.

Or at least a voip client, am I right?

yeah, i was trying to look up the skype api for it, looks like it would be a good start (techinically you could just use it for im and the voice could be implemented later)

cybereality wrote:

I'll take the half @$$ed web-browser anyday. Come on, you know it would be fun just to show your friends: "Look, I can check SlashDot on my DS"

Oh, and you forgot an IM client, VNC and WinAmp remote.

I had a thought like that myself..a winamp remote would be pretty cool, as would an IRC client or something like that.
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lambi1982 wrote:

(. . .) and possibly a WMB transfer app. ( to be able to send apps to others from the DS itself)browser.

You would still need to have signed multiboot apps, wouldn't you? Unless of course the other DS has flashme installed.
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I want to see a cross-platform wifi game that a DS owner can play against a PSP owner.

PSP 2.0 owners can browse the web. If we get an http server running on the DS...
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he updated again today...looks like he pretty close. It's so great to see people working hard on such a good cause.....well, in this case he has an incentive, but still....it's a great thing he's doing this.

I just hope that DS Applications that will use Wi-Fi will be able to connect easily to people using things like Belkin USB Wi-Fi adaptors without having to tweak settings to get it to notice the DS exists..

As long as a device is 802.11 compatible, it will work with the DS hacked wifi. Though just not with non-802.11 hacks like WMB and WifiMe unless its RT25x0.

This is gonna be so sick! i rooting for a voip client since the ds has a microphone. definitly some sort of streaming mp3's would be sweet too!

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LunarCrisis said:

You would still need to have signed multiboot apps, wouldn't you? Unless of course the other DS has flashme installed

Not sure? you would think the DS wouldnt have any problem sending data from one to another. Doesnt the DS sign the code??? ( like when it sends a multiplayer copy to another DS....Mario 64DS for example)
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binarystatic wrote:

This is gonna be so sick! i rooting for a voip client since the ds has a microphone. definitly some sort of streaming mp3's would be sweet too!

Ninendo showed a demo at the E3 which was exactly that. I cannot remember what it was called, but users were able to use the demo DSs like an IM client with voice over IP. Supposedly this isn't coming out, only an internal test demo. The prez of Nintendo said they decided against voice chat in games because they wanted to prevent any "forward content" which I assume means people cursing in games, etc. But the technology exists, so we know it can work.
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From his site:

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September 23, 2005: Eureka! (5am)
I've finally found the solution to a problem related to transmitting that has been causing problems, looks like smooth sailing from here!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

cybereality wrote:

binarystatic wrote:

This is gonna be so sick! i rooting for a voip client since the ds has a microphone. definitly some sort of streaming mp3's would be sweet too!

Ninendo showed a demo at the E3 which was exactly that. I cannot remember what it was called, but users were able to use the demo DSs like an IM client with voice over IP. Supposedly this isn't coming out, only an internal test demo. The prez of Nintendo said they decided against voice chat in games because they wanted to prevent any "forward content" which I assume means people cursing in games, etc. But the technology exists, so we know it can work.

i recon the best way to do this would be to port skype, i believe you can download the api for it and theres loads of documentation for it hell, someone should get a team together and make it an official one that would kick ass!

cybereality wrote:

Ninendo showed a demo at the E3 which was exactly that. I cannot remember what it was called, but users were able to use the demo DSs like an IM client with voice over IP. .

Are you talking about DSpeak?
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skype? nah. The best app to port would be an open source one, some sort of SIP and IAX client. Skype is closed source, and now its owned by ebay, I doubt its going to improve a huge amount. You would also need to talk to skype, as theres no info on the voice encryption/codec side, so no ports to anything is possible (AFAIK)

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It could be possible to use it with dslinux but then it would probably take up too much memory. I might try contacting them to see whether it might be possible to do an official version of it on the ds. The problem with using another opensource version is that no-one uses them which would be fine for talking to people on gbadev but you wont be able to talk to your friends. I think it would be better to get simple IM going first before we even think of voice.

El Hobito wrote:

It could be possible to use it with dslinux

No, the linux version of skype only runs on x86 linux.

Would be cool if you could use NFS server on your desktop PC (or Samba for Windows PCs) to read data from the PC :-D
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If you could get some sort of VNC and remote microphone software running, either natively or on DSLinux, then you may be able to run skype on a normal x86 Linux/Windows PC and dial using VNC, and speak using the mic etc, but that would probably have more lag, and would require access to a PC with a VNC server (and if it wasn't in a local network, forwarded ports etc)

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no unfortunately i was under the impression that skype was more open that it is, apparently you can get the source code for using skype as an IM but they purposely left out the part about voice.

Wow, he knocked off a lot of stuff in 11 days!
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I say a simple app compatable with MSN messenger...becuase it's bundled with the windows OS anyway, so everybody already has it. Also, everybody i know is on MSN messenger...so that goes well for me. I know people can IM on messenger on their cell phones...so i'm assuming it's possible.

Too bad noone captured the DSpeak demo, then we could be using VoIP right now.
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headspin wrote:

Too bad noone captured the DSpeak demo, then we could be using VoIP right now.

That demo was not being transmitted by a DS Download Station, as far as I know. Those are the only demos that can be captured, and I think all of those were captured. (Unless by "captured" you meant "broke the DS restraining fixture, stole the DS cart, reverse engineered the code, and shared the results." If that's what you meant, then I agree and wish someone "captured" it).

Ok, I wasn't sure if it was a multiboot demo sent over wireless or not. But why would you have to reverse engineer it? If you got your hands on the cart then why not just dump it? And as for the DS restraining fixture.. ever heard of a crowbar ;) j/k
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I was reading through a load of the jabber protocol yesterday and it seems fairly straight forward and there are loads of existing project going that could most probably ported/based upon. It basically uses xml as a framework for sending messages which is quite genius really. The problem with msn is that voip is essentially broken which is a bit of an arse really.

Update again!!
http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
Very close to finish!!

That's friggin awsome... I wish I had a flash card/m3/gbamp to develop myself (or rather try to develop myself).
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i hope it isnt a GBAMP thing, I said it before ( mine BROKE,..... DAMN, DAMN, DAMN)

I hope it is something that is capable of working on a flash cart and then implemented into a NEW firmware.... C'MON guys I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT ;)
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headspin wrote:

But why would you have to reverse engineer it? If you got your hands on the cart then why not just dump it? And as for the DS restraining fixture.. ever heard of a crowbar ;) j/k

I just didn't want to advocate that we distribute Nintendo's copyrighted material. But, wireless capture or cartridge, I guess that's what we'd be doing. I?ll provide the crowbar if you can get the time machine. E3 2005, here we come!

WOW!!!
http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
He almost finished it!!!

Wohoo. I' cant await it :D
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IRC client as a test app? Should be cool. I'm keeping a close eye on this.

JonathanEx wrote:

I'm keeping a close eye on this.

Who isn't?

He's got almost everything, only the sleep thingy he can't seem to get it under control... :D
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Sure, we all know about the DS's Wi-Fi bount (http://sc.tri-bit.com/dswfb) But does anyone know what they'll do with the cracked Wi-Fi when they get it? Will they develop programs, bowsers, or a way to tunnel current games or homebrew? Fling out some idea's as to why they want it bad enough to start a bounty for it xP

awesome!

I think the bounty is just an extra push to get someone to dive into the hardware to make an api to the wifi, so all homebrewers can use the wifi very easily.
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AnalogMan wrote:

Sure, we all know about the DS's Wi-Fi bount (http://sc.tri-bit.com/dswfb) But does anyone know what they'll do with the cracked Wi-Fi when they get it? Will they develop programs, bowsers, or a way to tunnel current games or homebrew? Fling out some idea's as to why they want it bad enough to start a bounty for it xP

how does wifi doomds sound? or some coop play in dsheretic or hexen, instant messaging, irc client, you could even use it as a thin client try stream music from you pc to it, multiplayer pocketnesDS/snesDS etc. loads of possibilities

I'd love a thin client for music: All my music is on our home server computer, with the right software I have all the music in my ds :)
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You could try emulating the GBA linkport and play GBA multiplayer

I would like to see them develop Bowsers, AnalogMan. Rawr!

Online Poker!!!

j/k

Wckd_Spn wrote:

You could try emulating the GBA linkport

That would require emulating the entire GBA, which more than likely can't be done in real time.

I'd suggest getting a dual GB (mono) emulator working first, and then have two copies of the emulator running on different DS units synchronize their controller data over Wi-Fi.
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Mr Snowflake wrote:

I'd love a thin client for music: All my music is on our home server computer, with the right software I have all the music in my ds :)

what i was thinking you could do is send wireless audio to it then hook up the ds to you tv/ hifi in the living room

El Hobito wrote:

Mr Snowflake wrote:

I'd love a thin client for music: All my music is on our home server computer, with the right software I have all the music in my ds :)

what i was thinking you could do is send wireless audio to it then hook up the ds to you tv/ hifi in the living room

So, wouldn't that be using the DS like a media box? You know, one of those things that takes music or movies from your hard drive and transefers them to some other media device(s). Could the DS even do that?

Darkwind_776 wrote:

El Hobito wrote:

Mr Snowflake wrote:

I'd love a thin client for music: All my music is on our home server computer, with the right software I have all the music in my ds :)

what i was thinking you could do is send wireless audio to it then hook up the ds to you tv/ hifi in the living room

So, wouldn't that be using the DS like a media box? You know, one of those things that takes music or movies from your hard drive and transefers them to some other media device(s). Could the DS even do that?

Why not? My N?Gage can get streamed video from my PC via BlueTooth, which has a very low bandwith. What could DS do with 802.11b WiFi (11Mbps)?

Just imagine. Streaming your music/videos/TV signal from your computer to your NintendoDS to anywhere in your home or office at a decent quality! Of course it would take some time to develop but is perfectly feasible.

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My N?Gage can get streamed video from my PC via BlueTooth, which has a very low bandwith. What could DS do with 802.11b WiFi (11Mbps)?

Nintendo DS implementation of 802.11b is limited to 2 Mbps, and after overhead you can probably squeeze only 1.2 Mbps, but that's still good enough for MPEG-1 video provided the ARM9 is up to the task.
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I would be more interested in a Internet radio anyway.

Being able to browse ShoutCast streams on the touch screen would indeed be awesome.

i can't believe somebody is actually going to claim the bounty......that's so much money : )

He's about half-way through the IRC test app, now. Lookin' good. :) Only has problems with DHCP.. (I never liked DHCP anyway, stupid thing never worked properly for me on any platform ;) )

Streaming would be choppy with so little RAM. You couldn't have a decent buffer.

Is there gonna be WPA support, otherwise the DS is gonna open up one's wireless network for attack.
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headspin wrote:

Is there gonna be WPA support, otherwise the DS is gonna open up one's wireless network for attack.

Not if your router allows mac address whitelisting!

mocnicom wrote:

headspin wrote:

Is there gonna be WPA support, otherwise the DS is gonna open up one's wireless network for attack.

Not if your router allows mac address whitelisting!

Just like mine!

"Add new MAC Address to Access List"

Greets

mac address whitelisting dosn't prevent mac address spoofing. In fact it is a rather lame form of security. It needs to be used in conjuction with other security features in order to be effective.
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DS only does WEP.

TheChuckster wrote:

DS only does WEP.

Wrong.
The DS does whatever you program it to do.
If someone adds support for WPA, it will support WPA.

Sappharad wrote:

The DS does whatever you program it to do.
If someone adds support for WPA, it will support WPA.

That is, unless the official Wi-Fi library does only WEP. Licensees can't make their own Wi-Fi engines because they have to use Nin?endo's own ARM7 binaries.
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tepples wrote:

Sappharad wrote:

The DS does whatever you program it to do.
If someone adds support for WPA, it will support WPA.

That is, unless the official Wi-Fi library does only WEP. Licensees can't make their own Wi-Fi engines because they have to use Nin?endo's own ARM7 binaries.

Erm, I think you misunderstood my point. How does the official Wi-Fi library stop someone from doing a homebrewn implementation of WPA? Unless the 802.11b implementation is all done in hardware, I dont see why WPA can't be added in the software side if someone writes it.
I dont think my wireless router magically had WPA support built in that was suddenly enabled with a firmware upgrade a year after it came out.

Anyway, a quick search on google turned up this page:
http://www.open1x.org/
Aside from the OpenSSL stuff, which I didn't dare to look at, their WPA code looks pretty clean and straightforward. (Although I did only look at the WPA stuff, and I really don't have any experience with the implementation of 802.11 at all.)

I'm not saying that someone should implement WPA, I'm just saying that it looks quite possible to do, and that the DS would support more than just WEP if someone implemented it, which was what I was replying to. Unless the RSA stuff in the DS is used for WEP, then WPA shouldn't be that much more of a hit on processor time than WEP.

It only makes sense to include WEP and WPA support as part of the homebrew standard. Because, well, why not? Having to kick my wireless security in the ribs whenever I want to connect my PSP has proven to be a significant pain (which could be fixed by upgrading my firmware, but we all know the reasons for not doing that).

-Rich

That is unless they exploit this (sorry about the OT)...

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Buffer Overflow Found in PSP Firmware v2.0

Posted by Zonk on Saturday September 24, @03:17PM

Doomstalk writes "PSP news site PSP Updates is reporting that a buffer overflow flaw has been found in PSP firmware v2.0's photo viewer. So far it's only been used to corrupt the menu display, but it holds great promise for running homebrew code on upgraded PSPs." From the article: "Thanks to the unknown author(s) for this great starting point to have homebrew on 2.0, all that is needed are coders to extend this knowledge for full homebrew usage on the v2.0 firmware. We cannot say when someone will step up to the plate and write the code for users to run homebrew on a 2.0 using this exploit, but we will definitely have our ears (and email boxes) open and be sure to let you know as soon as we do."

EDIT: Oh they have :) Working PSP Firmware 2.0 to 1.50 Downgrader http://pspupdates.qj.net/
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Wckd_Spn wrote:

Streaming would be choppy with so little RAM. You couldn't have a decent buffer.

Err, 4 MiB is way more than you need for a reasonable sound buffer. . .
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Really, the entirity of a sound file in MP3 is usually 4 meg, but we're streaming it.

Many streams use the MP3 format, so if the DS is technically capable of playing MP3 files, there is no reason it shouldn't be able to stream them. The only difference (unless I'm mistaken) is that you are getting the source data from the internet instead of the CF card. It isn't like you have to have the whole song in memory at the same time, that's why it's called streaming.
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is the wifi on the ds slower than cart transfer? if is that might prevent direct streaming. Maybe buffered streaming and that would add the overhead of buffering it (which I don't think would be very much, especially if some sort of circular queue was used for the buffer)

Nintendo DS Wi-Fi runs at 2000 kbps. MP3 or GSM at 120 kbps shouldn't eat more than a fraction of that.
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Isn't it "streamed" off the Compact Flash card anyway? When I pull the GBAMP out of the DS while it's playing back an MP3, it skips like a broken record.. it just reads what's in it's buffer correct? Why can't it simply change the source.. So yeah, really..streaming from the Internet shouldn't be that big a deal.

it only needs to download data at the bit rate so streaming a 128Kb/s stream means that the wifi needs to download at a rate of 16KB per second which is feck all

unless your on dialup :-( ahh well, looks like my parents will b splitting by the time NWC launches so i'll have adsl by then

i'm sure video streaming wouldn't be too far off either, just need to find free versions of <insert favourite video codec>
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He's almost done....sleeping!

he updated again.
http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html

the irc client slipped a few %. but if he takes his time we know we'll get a better quality API in the end
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Last edited by headspin on Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:01 pm; edited 1 time in total

I tell you what I can't wait for, portable wifime/flashme.

It'd be great to have the ability to flash other's ds's on the spot without a passme. Homebrew could be exchanged on the go...

*dreams*

CubeGuy wrote:

I tell you what I can't wait for, portable wifime/flashme.

It'd be great to have the ability to flash other's ds's on the spot without a passme.

You might need to wait for ItsaMe, given that so many new DS units have the "red" firmware. Besides, even for non-"red" firmware, wouldn't a PassMe adapter, a Meteos game card, and a GBA Movie Player be smaller than a whole DS?
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Tepples: did you manage to get one of the older flashable DS's? And have you wifime'd yet?
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tepples wrote:

CubeGuy wrote:

I tell you what I can't wait for, portable wifime/flashme.

It'd be great to have the ability to flash other's ds's on the spot without a passme.

You might need to wait for ItsaMe, given that so many new DS units have the "red" firmware. Besides, even for non-"red" firmware, wouldn't a PassMe adapter, a Meteos game card, and a GBA Movie Player be smaller than a whole DS?

Not if you happen to run into someone with a DS, and don't have a PassMe with you. I've never used a PassMe. FlashMe all the way.

CubeGuy wrote:

I tell you what I can't wait for, portable wifime/flashme.

It'd be great to have the ability to flash other's ds's on the spot without a passme. Homebrew could be exchanged on the go...

*dreams*

eek that sounds very dodgy, what if a program said it was initialising a "file transfer" but in reality was running some kindof brickme program.

El Hobito wrote:

CubeGuy wrote:

I tell you what I can't wait for, portable wifime/flashme.

It'd be great to have the ability to flash other's ds's on the spot without a passme. Homebrew could be exchanged on the go...

*dreams*

eek that sounds very dodgy, what if a program said it was initialising a "file transfer" but in reality was running some kindof brickme program.

:|
or a brickme program that runs on the bricked ds and connects to any ds's in range and brickifies them each time it starts up.... :(

??????????

Repeat that...............

A brickme app that runs on a bricked DS........

???????????

A Bricked DS cant run apps.... ITS BRICKED
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inthearmsofsleep wrote:

or a brickme program that runs on the bricked ds and connects to any ds's in range and brickifies them each time it starts up.... :(

The RSA signature check will reject wifi-brickme unless the unit in question is already flashed, in which case you can probably just emergency-boot a GBAMP and reinstall FlashMe.
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lambi1982 wrote:

??????????

Repeat that...............

A brickme app that runs on a bricked DS........

???????????

A Bricked DS cant run apps.... ITS BRICKED

Lemme rephrase my idea......A semi-bricked DS that only runs the bricking program when it starts up, but can't run anything else.
Anyway, tepples' explanation tells how it wouldn't be very effective, so forget that concept entirely.

LunarCrisis wrote:

Wckd_Spn wrote:

Streaming would be choppy with so little RAM. You couldn't have a decent buffer.

Err, 4 MiB is way more than you need for a reasonable sound buffer. . .

I was actually replying to tepples on the previous page (4) in regards to streaming MPG. I don't think the RAM could handle a player AND the file buffer. Not saying it isn't doable, it just wouldn't be all that great. I have NO doubt that wireless sound streams would be fine, though.

Sorry about the misunderstanding, I have a habit of missing the last page of a thread unless I look for it specifically, and I forgot to quote.

http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
Updated. Apparently he's writing his own TCP stack from scratch now....
This might take a while.

inthearmsofsleep wrote:

http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
Updated. Apparently he's writing his own TCP stack from scratch now....
This might take a while.

Maybe...but good things come to those that wait, hm? :)
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The 9th Sage wrote:

inthearmsofsleep wrote:

http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
Updated. Apparently he's writing his own TCP stack from scratch now....
This might take a while.

Maybe...but good things come to those that wait, hm? :)

True....maybe with the exception of DemaSked. (some of you understand.) ;)

inthearmsofsleep wrote:

True....maybe with the exception of DemaSked. (some of you understand.) ;)

Oh man...I was so dissappointed with DemaSked...after enduring all the guessing and that horrible creepy puppet picture that for some reason nearly gave me a nightmare....probably because I was loooking at it at 3 AM in total darkness. :P
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I would like to see proof of this thing, video or something.

Seems like everytime we wait this long for something, it always turns out to be some joke. he needs to team up with someone. The sad thing is, he will take so long with this, and Mario kart will come out, and someone else will figure it all out.

I wish him the best, but would like to see proof.

( I am not saying he has to, I would just like to see it. Who am I to tell him what to do........ :_ please show proof )
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> I would like to see proof of this thing, video or something.
FWIW: That's the downside of offering a "bounty"
People don't share their work. If it has to be done well enough to win the bounty before anything is released - we wait longer.

If there were no bounty, other people could help out on the missing pieces long before it is finished.

I wonder if he's been doing any work at all on it lately....either he is just too lazy to update the site, or he is so busy with it (or other stuff) that he doesn't have time to. Either way, i'm sorry to say my faith in it is deteriorating.

Well for the sake of the DS community Split it with someone and get it done, or just show proof, he doesnt need to give up his secrets or code, just video of it some what working.

we will have to wait and see, it just funny that we have been through this before and it never has a god ending. I could easily post updates on a site and just add a new task every other week..

Waiting for DS online --- 100%
Believing this will work --- 50%
plan to conquer the world --- 27.6%
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sgstair actually has a reputation to uphold tho. i few of the biggies in the homebrew scene know him, and also trust him, which is good enough for me
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Updated again, just in case you don't check every day.

lambi1982 wrote:

Well for the sake of the DS community Split it with someone and get it done, or just show proof, he doesnt need to give up his secrets or code, just video of it some what working.

we will have to wait and see, it just funny that we have been through this before and it never has a god ending. I could easily post updates on a site and just add a new task every other week..

Waiting for DS online --- 100%
Believing this will work --- 50%
plan to conquer the world --- 27.6%

-sigh- you guys are hard to please.
A video is forthcoming, and progress is going well.

I can understand you guys being critical.... but it is a bit anoyying ;)

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sgstair wrote:

lambi1982 wrote:

Well for the sake of the DS community Split it with someone and get it done, or just show proof, he doesnt need to give up his secrets or code, just video of it some what working.

we will have to wait and see, it just funny that we have been through this before and it never has a god ending. I could easily post updates on a site and just add a new task every other week..

Waiting for DS online --- 100%
Believing this will work --- 50%
plan to conquer the world --- 27.6%

-sigh- you guys are hard to please.
A video is forthcoming, and progress is going well.

I can understand you guys being critical.... but it is a bit anoyying ;)

-Stephen

Well, you can't really blame us because of the past projects by unnamed people whose promises vanish into thin air...
Little things like that have damaged the community, making people impatient. I'm looking foreward to the video :D

Yeah, it really sucks when people post bogus projects or give up on them...

I'm in this one til it's done though ;)

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Teaser video! Awesome !!! :D

I don't think the video will do much to keep the doubters at bay.

After all, nothing (that I can see) in the video actually proves it is connecting to the AP. That entire interface would be made up, all static text and values in a program.

Not that I am doubting the project in the least, I am just pointing out that until there is a finished release, people will always find something to complain about.

TJ wrote:

I don't think the video will do much to keep the doubters at bay.

After all, nothing (that I can see) in the video actually proves it is connecting to the AP. That entire interface would be made up, all static text and values in a program.

Not that I am doubting the project in the least, I am just pointing out that until there is a finished release, people will always find something to complain about.

Even so, it would be a heck of a lot of work to make something like this if I didn't actually have it working ;)

If they don't beleive this, well, I don't care - they can just wait for release.

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Indeed

By the way, thank you for having a nice normal DivX up there as well. It never ceases to amaze me how 99% of the videos people put up are WMV. God forbid anyone use open formats.

Well, I figured it might be useful to have the DivX there as well as WMV.

However, I don't think DivX qualifies as an "open" format - though less restrictive than WMV for sure.

The biggest problem with open formats (say ogm, or XviD) is they're not always widely adopted by the public, whereas most computers are guaranteed to be able to play WMV, and the rest should be able to manage DivX or some other variant.

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TJ wrote:

By the way, thank you for having a nice normal DivX up there as well. It never ceases to amaze me how 99% of the videos people put up are WMV.

I think it's because Windows Movie Maker, which comes with Microsoft Windows, uses WMV as its native file format.
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Just want you to know I am very pleased with what you are doing for the community, I am not trying to doubt you or you skille\s. You should expect criticasm from anyone anytime, Thats what happens when you claim to have something important to others or just something others would want.

Thats like Will Smith saying he dont want pictures taken of him, or people asking him for his auto \graph.

anyways, I wish you luck and hope it all works well. just remember, Nintendo WiFi Connection will be available in the near future.

Video proof is fine with me, Yeah people can fake it. but can they fake it well enough. ILL BE THE JUDGE
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I'd say: screw the non-believers. If they don't believe you, that's their problem, you shouldn't prove you're actually busy! You don't have any obligations towards them. You shouldn't invest your time in aguements, because they can have the unfortunate effect on you to lose your interest in this project (although I don't think this will happen with you).
Although, I understand it isn't very nice to see people not believe something you have been working on for a couple of weeks!
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NON BELIEVERS.......... Thats what people were before the redsox won the world series.

Didnt bother them any, Did it?

He went public wih his work, so he can deal with it.
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Yeah, but it was still fun to make a video for a change ;)

-Stephen
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Shows stong character sgstair for doing this when requested. Even though you didnt have to, you did it. Looks great.... Good work ;)
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Quote:

October 24, 2005: Progress... (4pm)

Rudimentary IP layer has been created... so now just TCP is required to make a proper demo. Should be soon. (Yes, I know I could just as easily demo with UDP or whatnot, but I'm committed to bringing TCP, mainly because I remember the gamecube situation where for the longest time the only public code was UDP without ARP.)
Maybe it should be noted that the percentages on my list are to initial completion, until I have something to show for it.
I will very likely make the source code public on initial release, but please stay tuned as I'm not going to drop this project and will release a much more polished version not much later.

Awesome.
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Indeed. :)

I'm really excited by this (of course)...I know several people who have specifically told me that as soon as the homebrew community can use the DS's WiFi, they are buying a DS. My one friend is pumped for the IRC client, heh.
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The 9th Sage wrote:

I know several people who have specifically told me that as soon as the homebrew community can use the DS's WiFi, they are buying a DS.

Then we had better get the PassMe2->FlashMe instructions spelled out in a newbie-friendly manner.
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TBH Wifi access will make the DS so much more useful and attractive.
You could use it for chatting, looking stuff up or the thing im most interested in, remote monitoring.
I would like a GiFt GUI on the DS so i can keep an eye on my daemon.
Also things like kismet would be nice.
It would make the DS a cheap monitoring/control solution for PC's (VNC).
Often im in my lounge and want to know what my GiFt daemon is doing, but i have to go upstairs. Streaming music would be nice too (although i use moonshell)
These are just a few ideas, i think you lot of imaginative people could think of a few more..

Oh, Sgstair has released a firmware viewer on the misc section of his site.

tepples wrote:

Then we had better get the PassMe2->FlashMe instructions spelled out in a newbie-friendly manner.

I explained it to them at least, so they should understand pretty well. We should write up some detailed instructions on their use though, for that sticky.
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Updated again.
oops...i got lazy and forgot the link : (
But it looks like his TCP/IP is almost done...and documentation is pretty much done.

Wow - if everything works well it will be finished soon :D
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I'm so excited, I think I'm going to smash a PSP!
Stephen deserves a huge pat on the back for all of the work that he's done so far.

is $2,000 a big enough pat on the back?
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Congrates sgStair for winning the first milestone! maybe now that'll get you through for a while!

whoa...that's a huge load of work you did (by looking at the documentation).......you deserve it 100%.

halloween update : )
http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
woohoo! looks like he's close.

The 9th Sage wrote:

Indeed. :)

I'm really excited by this (of course)...I know several people who have specifically told me that as soon as the homebrew community can use the DS's WiFi, they are buying a DS. My one friend is pumped for the IRC client, heh.

I think I'm going to get my DS dev env set back up tonight... plans are forming in my head for a rather nice iTunes (or maybe Winamp) remote control - with browsable music database, playlist editing, and maybe even album art... :)

bluescrn wrote:

I think I'm going to get my DS dev env set back up tonight... plans are forming in my head for a rather nice iTunes (or maybe Winamp) remote control - with browsable music database, playlist editing, and maybe even album art... :)

That's another app that would rule. I'd love to have a way of changing tunes on my laptop without having to get up and walk over to it. :P
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Considering me you can make a WinAmp remote control :)
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The 9th Sage wrote:

I'd love to have a way of changing tunes on my laptop without having to get up and walk over to it. :P

Or I could just port GSM Player to the GBAMP, and you'd be able to change the tunes on your DS because you're playing them on the DS.
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tepples wrote:

The 9th Sage wrote:

I'd love to have a way of changing tunes on my laptop without having to get up and walk over to it. :P

Or I could just port GSM Player to the GBAMP, and you'd be able to change the tunes on your DS because you're playing them on the DS.

You could... but it's not quite the same as a remote control for playing back a library of a couple of thousand losslessly encoded songs through a decent hi-fi :)

I've been having a play with the iTunes SDK, and it seems a bit slow to iterate through the music database, but other than that, it looks quite do-able... (iTunes seems preferable to Winamp at the moment, as it has a clearly defined database of music, whereas Winamp just takes arbitrary files)

It would be cool to be able to flash flash carts via WLAN, wouldn't it? (or transfer files to CF card).
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Ilomoga wrote:

(or transfer files to CF card).

At least for my Multiboot a FTP plugin is planned.
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Could you also make DS connect to Windows' Shared folders or set CF as a shared folder? Anyway, FTP is enough.

You should just add a simple file-manager for your app (move, copy, delete, rename, new .txt file, open with txt-writer, open with MoonShell)...

"It would be cool to be able to flash flash carts via WLAN"

That would be difficult because all flash carts are different.

"Could you also make DS connect to Windows' Shared folders or set CF as a shared folder? Anyway, FTP is enough."

An SMB browser would be cool.
Practically all OS's support SMB.

@JaJa: Yeah, but if someone develops one for, let's say F2A (because I have one ;-) ), F2A owners can use it, so why not? ^^
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Because you need FAT which F2A doesn't have IIRC.
And to find somebody programming spefically for one type of FlashCart... I could hardly believe that.

MaHe wrote:

Because you need FAT which F2A doesn't have IIRC.

Unless someone writes a wrapper around (say) GBFS, with the same API as chishm's FAT driver.

JaJa wrote:

practically all OS's support SMB.

Even the NES supports SMB :-)

That's why I call microsoft's file sharing protocol "cifs" instead. The abbreviation isn't as overloaded.
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MaHe wrote:

Because you need FAT which F2A doesn't have IIRC.
And to find somebody programming spefically for one type of FlashCart... I could hardly believe that.

Maybe the developers of if2a like to do that?
Flash Manager supports F2A too.

But my question wasn't if someone likes to do it but if it is possible ;)
I mean: How to begin? Sending a file via WMB, but is the DS able to connect to a WLAN card with Wifime driver installed? Or you have to flash something like a loader onto your card that starts and supports connecting with a "normal" WLAN network.
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I'm lazy so I'll ask...
Has someone translated that huge initialization pseudo code into working C?

I'd like to play with raw network frames.

I've broken my remote which I've been using to control winamp with this last year or so while watching tv (playing videos)...

With remote winamp control, it wouldn't matter! :D
I could take a leak whenever I wanted!
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Has anyone figured out the new subsite on the misc. page, http://www.akkit.org/misc/index.html?

Edit: Ah, I got it. Sweet! Multiplayer!
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bluescrn wrote:

I've been having a play with the iTunes SDK, and it seems a bit slow to iterate through the music database, but other than that, it looks quite do-able...

Yeah I did some Python Programming with iTunes, too. AS you said it's a bit slow to alter Library Data of 20 GByte of MP3's. But simple navigation and information displaying are more than easy to do.
Now doing it on the DS is another problem...

I was making some good progress with it:

www.bluescrn.net/dualtunes.jpg

But it's on hold at the moment - I started it when it seemed that TCP/IP enabled homebrew was just a few days away... But without that, I feel like I'm wasting my time

(...although now I'm just wasting my time on WoW and TH:AS instead!)

(edit - corrected URL)

the site is updated again. not finished but at least this is a real update.
http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
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key- skip first letter then skip 2,3 till 4 then go back down

Theres a wifi test program released! not sure what it does though other than show what routers are around

El Hobito wrote:

Theres a wifi test program released! not sure what it does though other than show what routers are around

It's a nifty DS equivalent to NetStumbler. I've actually been waiting for something like this.

We need some sort of adjective that starts with D so that we can have a name like D___Stumbler with the proper acronym (like Dual Strike, Drill Spirits, Dawn of Sorrow, etc).
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How about Data Stumbler? =)

Da_net stumbler ??? :D

Dual Stumbler! Data stumbler (good one sleeper), Digital Stumbler....I really can't think, data stumblers got my vote so far

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How about just DStumbler?

m2pt5 wrote:

How about just DStumbler?

So DS stumbles, while PSP runs? :)
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natrium42 wrote:

So DS stumbles, while PSP runs? :)

Sure, why not. I'll bet far more progress has been made in the DS homebrew scene than the PSP one anyway, despite the hurdles that using nonstandard media entails.

Besides, the DS was over $100 cheaper. If I hadn't already wanted it for Animal Crossing, I would have chosen it over the PSP for that reason alone.

</derail>

Ok, how about Domain Scanner? It's kinda meaningless, but it sounds good.

Domination Signaler ?

Doomsday Scanner?

Discovery System
Discover Signals
Dead Signals
Dork Stations
Dumb Sociopaths

Well, the last three aren't really serious ;)
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Data Spy
Dual Sypher
NetStumbler DS
Donkey Shlong ** HAHAHAH** sorry had to put it in there
Dual Seeker
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dual seeker sounds good....or dual stumbler. It doesn't have two things that do the stumbling though, so it doesn't make that much sense. I don't think it matters what it's called...just call it DStumbler.

I like Data Spy the most.

Detect... Stuff...?
DIVINATOR OF SIGNALS.
Divination System?
Go all Amiga Power with: DISSEMINATION SYSTEM.
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December 2, 2005: Binary update, again (10pm)

http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html

wohoo! =)
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Old new, TBH. ;)

New update :D

Quote:

December 11, 2005: Stuff! (4am)

Again a binary update (version 0.2 [wifi_lib_test.nds]) (Additionally, you can download a program to test UDP with, [udp_Test.zip] - program listens on port 8888 and responds to incoming datagrams.) (Additionally, source for the udp_test program that should be able to be compiled on linux/unix/macosx systems is available here too: [udp_test.c])
I will now privately release a compiled version of the lib, and the source of the test project to people who can use them. Reason for the private release is that not everything is done yet.
Things that are done and working nicely are: AP listing, association, and UDP...
Things that are not complete and are still being worked on are: IP fragmentation, TCP, DNS, and DHCP
If you *still* want a copy of the lib binary and test project source, let me know on IRC, or send me an email. This is NOT for everyone, and I will not be providing tech support on this release. The test project is very much geared towards development, you will have to modify bits of the makefile to make it work on your machine (paths & lib inclusion mainly). So, use at your own risk of misunderstanding. I think it's pretty clear, but that's just me.
And yes, progress is moving pretty slowly at the moment... This is due to several factors, not the least of which is that I have a real job now (AC:WW is also in that list tho..).

http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
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Yay! How do I use UDP test app?

EDIT: Awww, after five minutes I received: ASSOCSTATUS_CANNOTCONNECT. :'(

December 11, 2005: Small update, but important. (1pm)
December 11, 2005: Stuff! (4am)

http://www.akkit.org/dswifi/index.html
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cool, its comeing along just great :)

hmm...I dont have a PCI wi-fi card, is it possible to listen using a router somehow? Any seperate software that lets me do such a thing?

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