#60495 - Darkwind_776 - Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:25 am
I'm just curious about how the little USB dongle thing works. Is the way that it works simmilar to that of a wireless ad-hoc connection between two pc's, but it's from the PC to the DS?
#60497 - Dudu.exe - Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:32 am
| Darkwind_776 wrote: |
| I'm just curious about how the little USB dongle thing works. Is the way that it works simmilar to that of a wireless ad-hoc connection between two pc's, but it's from the PC to the DS? |
the same way taht you use to coenct 2 pcs you wil have to use with DS<-> PC
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#60520 - Sebbo - Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:42 am
from what nintendo's been saying recently (Reggie in particular) to access the WiFi Connection from home you either need a compatible router (check the list at www.nintendowifi.com or the USB dongle...actually, the site also suggests you need either of these two and that just a single PCI/PCMIA card won't work
homebrew wifi apps however should work with any setup
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#60522 - Sektor - Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:27 am
Some cards can be software access points. I'm pretty sure all ralink cards and those proprietary Asus cards can act as APs. There's other chipsets that can do the same, they just have to have compatible software.
#60524 - gl0b - Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:45 am
With asus drivers,every ralink card can be used like AP's :) just a matter of drivers
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#60538 - M3d10n - Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:44 pm
It isn't confirmed, but seems the USB dongle only works with DS'es (you probably can't use it as a generic wifi card).
But it's possible to use any USB/PCI card (not only a router) to setup an ad-hoc connection. It's just that you must manually setup it to share the internet connection and do the DHCP work, using the manufacturer's software. Since the steps to setup such thing varies from card to card, Nintendo decided to keep quiet about it. They aren't saying it's unsupported either.
The dongle is also needed if your router is using WPA or WPA2, since stupid Nintendo didn't add support to it, and the DS will simply hit a brick wall trying to connect to such networks. You can plug the dongle to a computer connected to the WPA network, and have it create a DS-only access point.
#60544 - Ilomoga - Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:55 pm
Hope I'll get it working with my Ralink in Linux :)
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#60566 - Darkwind_776 - Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:34 pm
I e-mailed nintendo about this question, and here was the reply they sent.
| My Email wrote: |
Ok, so I'm not totally sure how the Nintendo USB thing works, but I think the main theory behind it is that it's pretty much the same as an Wireless PCI card or the Wireless USB dongle. What I think it does, is the same as what a computer can make with an "ad hoc" network, which is a direct link between two computers, but in the DS's case, The DS and the computer.
So in theory, could you use a Wireless PCI card and make a ad hoc connection between a PC and the DS? |
| Reply wrote: |
| That's a great question. As long as your Wi-Fi adapter is compatible with the 802.11b standard, it should work with the Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection; however, we have encountered some stability and/or compatibility issues with some routers that are compatible with 802.11b, so we can't know for sure at this point. What I would recommend is visiting your manufacture's web site and check for an online or PDF manual for your adapter. It might not address your specific question, but it may be useful to help you troubleshoot any problems you may encounter once you get your first Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection game and attempt to connect. |
#60577 - Sebbo - Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:28 pm
so really, we won't know if it'll work until it comes out...or we could ask darkain how he's accessing the online mode since he has a pre-release (thats if he isn't using a router)
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#60587 - Darkwind_776 - Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:19 am
| Sebbo wrote: |
| so really, we won't know if it'll work until it comes out...or we could ask darkain how he's accessing the online mode since he has a pre-release (thats if he isn't using a router) |
It sure will make an interesting project
#60641 - Sektor - Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:18 am
Ad-hoc is not supported by Mario Kart. You need an AP or a card that can act as an AP.
edit: I meant it doesn't support Ad-hoc for playing online. Of course you can play DS to DS directly but that's not strictly 802.11b Ad-hoc.
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#60644 - sgstair - Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:16 am
| Sektor wrote: |
| Ad-hoc is not supported by Mario Kart. You need an AP or a card that can act as an AP. |
Really??
Wow, now I don't feel quite as bad for not being able to get ad-hoc to work with my implementation :)
Of course, I'll still try to get it working... if they haven't done it though, no real guarantees can be made :|
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#60646 - Darkwind_776 - Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:32 am
| sgstair wrote: |
| Sektor wrote: | | Ad-hoc is not supported by Mario Kart. You need an AP or a card that can act as an AP. |
Really??
Wow, now I don't feel quite as bad for not being able to get ad-hoc to work with my implementation :)
Of course, I'll still try to get it working... if they haven't done it though, no real guarantees can be made :|
-Stephen |
I'll I can say is do what you can =D
#60673 - tepples - Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:22 pm
| Sektor wrote: |
| Ad-hoc is not supported by Mario Kart. You need an AP or a card that can act as an AP. |
If this is true, wouldn't it make it impossible to play Mario Kart on hundred-plus-mile van trips? Or what battery-powered AP would you suggest?
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#60674 - sgstair - Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:27 pm
If you can get internet access on 100-mile-plus van trips, more power to you. However, there are several ralink-based cards (including the nintendo USB stick) that act as soft-APs, and could be used for this purpose.
(oh, and - ds to ds multiplayer isn't ad-hoc. they're using a custom auth scheme that's a bit more similar to an AP associacion)
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#60768 - arcanis - Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:25 pm
how do i know, if and how i can use my asus wl-138g as an AP?
#60775 - Dudu.exe - Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:02 pm
if you can set up propely yes!
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#60808 - mechanori - Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:04 am
I've tried this for days. Although I don't have Mario Kart DS just yet, I've been using my PSP to test for access points. It never finds one. Can someone write a short tutorial on how to get the PCI cards up and running as access points? Everything I've found on google either hasn't worked, or hasn't worked with the PSP.
#60829 - deltro - Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:15 am
Buy a router.