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are the "kiosk demo"s captured and converted to .nds yet?
like the e3 demos were captured

if they are where can i download them
i dont care what language their in
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I want to know that too. I even made a thread about it before the demo kiosks came out ;-)
... does anybody know?
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What about Gaim DS? Gaim pretty much has support for all IM programs.

tepples wrote:

"Goshdammit, the DS is not a Gaim-boy! It's a third pillar!"

i belive they are only english (or at least the one i talked about in my thread)

i REALLY would like that to be captured soon!

someone PLEASE CAPTURE!
we have very little time left...
(speaking of when they update)
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is there a guide on how to capture? i would love to contribute, and i think i have all the equipment necessary.

Question:

The_Mayor87 wrote:

is there a guide on how to capture? i would love to contribute, and i think i have all the equipment necessary.

Anwser:

Sappharad wrote:

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If you want to capture the "old way" download the AiroPeek demo from WildPackets.com, and the approriate drivers for your card. (It supports a bunch of cards)
Transfer the demo to your DS, and use Airopeek to "capture" the transmission. Do this several times, (I think 5 or more) and save the packet dumps each time. (Sometimes packets will get lost and not be seen by your laptop)

Post the packet dumps online, and wait for someone who knows what they're doing to re-assemble them into useful data. That's the only way to get them without a special capture program.

that was what one guy said in another forum of this topic

hope you can capture with these instructions

and Good Luck!...

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Last edited by swimgod on Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:35 am; edited 1 time in total

swimgod wrote:

i belive they are only english (or at least the one i talked about in my thread)

arent they only released in japan so far? or are they here in english yet?

swimgod wrote:

i REALLY would like that to be captured soon!

why dont they all be captured? :D

The_Mayor87 wrote:

is there a guide on how to capture? i would love to contribute, and i think i have all the equipment necessary.

so i take it theyre not captured yet?

or did someone do it secretly :O
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no one has captured it yet...
most of the captur'ies
are not near new york...
so sad :(

Edit:
i reread your post,
and yeah they are in america, newyork, ny, nintendo world :P
i was playing with it and having fun :D
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I lately have also been curious as to how to save demos, I am glad this thread was created for I wasn't sure of the legality of what I wanted to do.

Here is a site that I have known about for awhile, it is what made me want to compile demos.
http://akkit.org/DS/E3/

EDIT:
Using the information in this wiki article, I could most likely turn a packet dump into a functioning .nds file, now all I need is a NDS.
http://www.bottledlight.com/ds/index.php/Wifi/WMBProtocol

well after you capture them, since you don't have a nds, you can post them here with instructions on how to change to .nds, and some smart nds homebrewer guy can take care of it and then share it with all of us!

EDIT:
I just relized you need a DS to capture em in the first place. just borrow a friends DS and all the homebrew equipment

or you can buy a DS yourself

EDIT 2:
You can wait till someone here captures them and sends the file to you to change into a .nds
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I can assemble capture files into NDS files, PM me if you got something.

sweet! now all we need is a capturer!
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hey Nuff, when you convert them, make em work with GBAMP, thats what most people have (and me!)

thanks, and if anyone has them captured, let us know!
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Check your wireless cards compatibility here:

http://www.wildpackets.com/support/product_support/airopeek/hardware

If your card appears on this list then you can use the WildPackets AiroPeek demo to capture these, hopefully with no troubles.

If your card does not appear on this list, i believe that you may still be able to capture the transmissions using ethereal and the winpcap library.

Once the captures have been made, post the files gained to the forum and let someone who knows how to convert handle the rest.
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Are there any reports of the demo stations being available at stores other than the Nintendo World store? When are they supposed to be available?

If they still haven't been dumped by the time my local EB has a demo station, I'll just go myself and dump them.

no, they are only at nintendo worlds
for now >.<;
which makes it so hard to capture...
Please...
the deadline is coming soon...
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swimgod wrote:

no, they are only at nintendo worlds
for now >.<;
which makes it so hard to capture...
Please...
the deadline is coming soon...

haha wouldn't it look suspocious at Nintendo World trying to capture one of THEIR products? xP

P.S.
"deadline"? :O whats that supposed to mean
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Is it forbidden to use a laptop near a store? No.
I bet the store people wouldn't care what you do.

i tought i made it clear enough before :P
the manager said they are getting a new updated version during the release of metroid prime:hunters
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Nuff wrote:

Is it forbidden to use a laptop near a store? No.

Will it necessarily work given the shielding in the walls? No.
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tepples wrote:

Nuff wrote:

Is it forbidden to use a laptop near a store? No.

Will it necessarily work given the shielding in the walls? No.

Does this mean you can't get a laptop to work in there?

swimgod wrote:

i tought i made it clear enough before :P
the manager said they are getting a new updated version during the release of metroid prime:hunters

does this "updated version" make it impossible to capture?
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thundrestrike wrote:

tepples wrote:

Nuff wrote:

Is it forbidden to use a laptop near a store? No.

Will it necessarily work given the shielding in the walls? No.

Does this mean you can't get a laptop to work in there?

Let me express it rigorously: All points in the universe are either inside or outside the boundary of the store's private property. If I open my laptop inside the store Then the bouncer throws me out. If I open my laptop outside the store Then the walls block the signal.

Quote:

swimgod wrote:

the manager said they are getting a new updated version during the release of metroid prime:hunters

does this "updated version" make it impossible to capture?

Perhaps. The downloader may have been updated to decrypt a demo that has been encrypted by the correspondingly uploaded server. Even if not, the downloader may have been updated to check signatures such that it may be impossible to turn the updated version into a WiFiMe2.
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What someone needs to do is write a program using sgstair's library to capture wifi packets on the Nintendo DS itself, then write it all to a compact flash.

That way you wouldn't NEED a laptop. Just two Nintendo DS's
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tepples wrote:

thundrestrike wrote:

tepples wrote:

Nuff wrote:

Is it forbidden to use a laptop near a store? No.

Will it necessarily work given the shielding in the walls? No.

Does this mean you can't get a laptop to work in there?

Let me express it rigorously: All points in the universe are either inside or outside the boundary of the store's private property. If I open my laptop inside the store Then the bouncer throws me out. If I open my laptop outside the store Then the walls block the signal.

Quote:

swimgod wrote:

the manager said they are getting a new updated version during the release of metroid prime:hunters

does this "updated version" make it impossible to capture?

Perhaps. The downloader may have been updated to decrypt a demo that has been encrypted by the correspondingly uploaded server. Even if not, the downloader may have been updated to check signatures such that it may be impossible to turn the updated version into a WiFiMe2.

Thanks for the reply Tepples, and does anyone know for a FACT that the "bouncer" will throw you out? what if you did it in a secluded corner... or perhaps the bathroom? :P
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ok,
just so you guys know :P

-there is no bathroom...
-there is for the most part no conors that you can hide in...
-there are no walls on the outside(mostly glass lol, HUGE see through glass)
-it is next to the street so you could simple park your car next to the store and do it in there :D
-it is imposible to make it uncapurable, unless its not on wifi anymore
-what im saying is the new version CAN, but not definitly have new more advanced security features preventing the posible security hole im talking about :P
-Edit:there are tables for pokemon card compition in the first floor, that could be used for a laptop... but i sugest you get a cousin to go along so you don't look suspicus...
-i don't think they will through you out... just tell you no laptops :P

k, hope that cleared up things a little bit :)
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So, what demos are there? And the "updated" demo software the other guy was talking about probably just adds more demos.

look nintendo fixed the hole in security in the 4th fireware verson...
so i think they will fix this in the next version, if it is un-secure in the way i hope...

btw...
Game Demos:
-Tetris DS
-Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day
-Mario Kart DS
-Meteos
-True Swing Golf
-Pokemon Trozei
Videos:
-Metroid Prime:Hunters
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Just to reiterate what swimgod was talking about... I'm currently talking to sgstair about beta'ing his demo capture program, but that's a way's away (most probably will miss vol. 1's timeframe). However... here's the better news (notice I don't say good news). I spent 4 hours at Nintendo World today trying to capture vol. 1. Here's what I ran into:

The bouncer is a joke. He's some 20's something kid who has a suit on and stands at the door opening it for ladies and little kids, and is friendly.

I wasn't allowed to use my laptop in the store because of wifi concerns (I asked an employee if I could take digital pics and then check them on my laptop which were legitimate requests since I brought my digigam with me). I was told I could take the pictures and then use the laptop right outside the doors. There is no nifi signal even just on the other side of the glass. Curiously though, I could join their internal wifi network for internet browsing (proxy-locked to only nintendo.com). So I booted up the capturer on channel 1 (since I couldn't scan 1/7/13) while in the store and captured 3 demos: Brain Age, Mario Kart, and Metroid Movie (not a demo, but a movie). I have the cap files, but here's the kicker, I'm not sure that they'll even be playable since everything done's through that middle-ware program. You download a mini-program which gives you a list of all the game demos you can play. Then you download a game demo. There are lots more I didn't get like Tetris Normal, Tetris Push, and Pokemon Trozei to name a few, but if I can't get these 3 assembled, it's useless to waste my time to do the rest. Like I said, I'm not even sure I got these full ones, because eventhough I have about 20mb of capture data (after the filter), there's no way that's 15 full captures (3 downloads captured 5 times each for completion)... but we'll see after I get them assembled.

On the deadline note... I hope I can get this figured out by Monday, because that's when Nintendo World gets in Metroid & Tetris full versions, so they might change the demo pack to vol. 2 which includes metroid demo (what the guy said). He was unsure that it'd be done this week though, so maybe we still have more time.

I'll post more when I get the time about the assembly. (working with sgstair)
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unrequited wrote:

Just to reiterate what swimgod was talking about... I'm currently talking to sgstair about beta'ing his demo capture program, but that's a way's away (most probably will miss vol. 1's timeframe). However... here's the better news (notice I don't say good news). I spent 4 hours at Nintendo World today trying to capture vol. 1. Here's what I ran into:

The bouncer is a joke. He's some 20's something kid who has a suit on and stands at the door opening it for ladies and little kids, and is friendly.

I wasn't allowed to use my laptop in the store because of wifi concerns (I asked an employee if I could take digital pics and then check them on my laptop which were legitimate requests since I brought my digigam with me). I was told I could take the pictures and then use the laptop right outside the doors. There is no nifi signal even just on the other side of the glass. Curiously though, I could join their internal wifi network for internet browsing (proxy-locked to only nintendo.com). So I booted up the capturer on channel 1 (since I couldn't scan 1/7/13) while in the store and captured 3 demos: Brain Age, Mario Kart, and Metroid Movie (not a demo, but a movie). I have the cap files, but here's the kicker, I'm not sure that they'll even be playable since everything done's through that middle-ware program. You download a mini-program which gives you a list of all the game demos you can play. Then you download a game demo. There are lots more I didn't get like Tetris Normal, Tetris Push, and Pokemon Trozei to name a few, but if I can't get these 3 assembled, it's useless to waste my time to do the rest. Like I said, I'm not even sure I got these full ones, because eventhough I have about 20mb of capture data (after the filter), there's no way that's 15 full captures (3 downloads captured 5 times each for completion)... but we'll see after I get them assembled.

On the deadline note... I hope I can get this figured out by Monday, because that's when Nintendo World gets in Metroid & Tetris full versions, so they might change the demo pack to vol. 2 which includes metroid demo (what the guy said). He was unsure that it'd be done this week though, so maybe we still have more time.

I'll post more when I get the time about the assembly. (working with sgstair)

well thats, like you said "better news" lol
we need to get a wifi extender for you :D

i hope you some how captuered the menu loader too :P
we need to just rob the place for the vol.1
DAMN IT!
lol

(i wonder if the manager is starting to see a pattern here...)

btw while i was there i went up to the ds big screens,
held start button
got to the main menu,
went to pictochat,
closed the screen,
and it turned blue on the big screens :D
;) ;) ;)

i was having fun there...
ill be going there on monday,
to pick up a copy of metroid :)
ill check if they updated the vols or not...

but im glad to see someone trying :)

and for good luck, i think we should create a name for this type of booting

-downme
-listme
-swimgodme
-ghostme
-captureme
-stupidme
-boardme
-tiredme
-killme
*lies on floor with hand on a gun*
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unrequited wrote:

Just to reiterate what swimgod was talking about... I'm currently talking to sgstair about beta'ing his demo capture program, but that's a way's away (most probably will miss vol. 1's timeframe). However... here's the better news (notice I don't say good news). I spent 4 hours at Nintendo World today trying to capture vol. 1. Here's what I ran into:

The bouncer is a joke. He's some 20's something kid who has a suit on and stands at the door opening it for ladies and little kids, and is friendly.

I wasn't allowed to use my laptop in the store because of wifi concerns (I asked an employee if I could take digital pics and then check them on my laptop which were legitimate requests since I brought my digigam with me). I was told I could take the pictures and then use the laptop right outside the doors. There is no nifi signal even just on the other side of the glass. Curiously though, I could join their internal wifi network for internet browsing (proxy-locked to only nintendo.com). So I booted up the capturer on channel 1 (since I couldn't scan 1/7/13) while in the store and captured 3 demos: Brain Age, Mario Kart, and Metroid Movie (not a demo, but a movie). I have the cap files, but here's the kicker, I'm not sure that they'll even be playable since everything done's through that middle-ware program. You download a mini-program which gives you a list of all the game demos you can play. Then you download a game demo. There are lots more I didn't get like Tetris Normal, Tetris Push, and Pokemon Trozei to name a few, but if I can't get these 3 assembled, it's useless to waste my time to do the rest. Like I said, I'm not even sure I got these full ones, because eventhough I have about 20mb of capture data (after the filter), there's no way that's 15 full captures (3 downloads captured 5 times each for completion)... but we'll see after I get them assembled.

On the deadline note... I hope I can get this figured out by Monday, because that's when Nintendo World gets in Metroid & Tetris full versions, so they might change the demo pack to vol. 2 which includes metroid demo (what the guy said). He was unsure that it'd be done this week though, so maybe we still have more time.

I'll post more when I get the time about the assembly. (working with sgstair)

this is great! can you post the demo files for someone to transform into .nds files? awesome! just awesome
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btw,
to:unrequited
if you want ill host what ever wifi dumps you have...
we should really open a bounty for decrypting and capturing these demos
money is always the best motovation sadly...

maybe i should use my paypal,
and make some small ads.

ill start working on opening a bounty page :)
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I want to try to assemble them into NDS files. I sent you a PM.
I'll be waiting for your reply.

like i said,
i will host the files for everyone to take a shot :)

Edit:
http://swimgod.com/bounty/
here is my mock up page of the bounty page im trying to make...
i think it needs some work...
lol
but if you donate i will add you to the list and you will be thanked so much :D
donate any amount...
you don't have to donate $5 but i would like the "pot" to be some amount
that someone who can do it would be interested in :)

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Guys, I didn't post to brag, or to get help, I posted to let you know what was in the works. I have my own webhost, with more than enough bandwidth to handle people downloading, and more importantly, I've asked on many a couple occasions how to capture and assemble captured nds demos with people telling me that they'd do it for me instead of helping me learn, so this is my chance to learn. I'm going through it with sgstair later this weekend, and we'll get what we'll get. If anybody can do it, it's him, so I'm not really worried if I can't get it myself. Just be patient... or take a trip to NYC yourself. Of course if I can't get this done by myself or with him, I'll post them for everybody else, I'm not like the guy who captured Pokepark Fishing who STILL hasn't released the demo to the public, this is just my way of learning. If all goes ahead, since I'm just across the bridge from NYC, I'll be able to get the future volumes quickly as soon as they're released. Just hang tight, or go out and capture 'em yourself... there's still a couple days left, and like I said probably more than that because they're not expecting the new volume out next week.

swimgod's bounty page wrote:

Q: do we get the bounty for capturing the demos, but not making the .nds?
A: Sorry, no. it is of almost no use to us if all you do is capture the demos. although if you shared your captures with a person that might be able to create the .nds or app to control the manager, you can split the money between you two(or more).

That's utterly retarded. Don't expect any capper to share anything until they've been paid if you're going to do it like this. ...and this is yet another reason why I'm not sharing my caps with anybody until I've learned to "assemble" these by myself.
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I kinda understand the guy who capped the Pok?Park game. It's NOT a demo. It's a "full version" minigame (*cough*piracy*cough*) which also only works properly when a highscore server is nearby, I think.

And, not everyone here is able to go to NYC. Not everyone is living in America, k?...

I can't explain how it's done, because it's different every time. There is no "extract all demos from capture files" tool. I didn't succeed in making one, too. You see, there must be a reason FireFly only made capture tools but didn't give the people any assembling tool for checking if their capture was complete.

Dude, just upload the capture files and we all can try. Nobody stops you to learn with sgstair even after we extracted the demos successfully.

Nuff wrote:

I can't explain how it's done, because it's different every time.

I have a M.S. in Computer Engineering, and I wrote my thesis on traffic shaping for DDoS detection & protection, so I have a little bit of experience with packet dumps and packet-level forensics. It's not for lack of academics, or being a high school script kiddie that I don't know how to assemble binaries, it's people who are unwilling to teach others I find fault with, so if you want the caps any sooner, write up a detailed guide on how to assemble cap files into a working binary. Not for me as I'm gonna get that done this weekend regardless, but for the dozens of others who have asked in this thread and others only to get the reply, "cap it and give it to somebody else to assemble". Anybody with a working card and wmb capture tools (or Ethereal and a lot of time) can do a cap of their own. You didn't spend 6 hours of your time yesterday get to/from Nintendo World and doing the caps, so please don't tell me what to do with my 6 hours of effort. That said, I'm not holding these caps hostage, I just want a chance to learn how to do this myself, so in the future I can be self-sufficient and not have to rely on anybody else for Vol. 2, etc. I don't think that's an unreasonable goal.
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I just offered my help.
Personally, I'm don't really care about demos and videos.

But if nobody needs my help, it's fine. It's only up to you.

I once wrote a small tool for reassembling ds downloads. It's a bit hackish so I never released it...

But if it can help in getting new demos ;) (comes with source, please don't try to kill me for it, it was rather experimental and I didn't know what I was doing when I started so it's totally messed up and lacks structure)

(It was also never tested with more then 2 demo kiosks but it should work)

http://frz.cc/sachen.zip

If this works, I bet he won't share the demos with those who are interested now.

Why shouldn't he?

It worked with captures of japanese jump superstars and pkmn trose from official kiosks

Because he seems to be one of those "I got it and you don't" kids.

Nuff wrote:

Because he seems to be one of those "I got it and you don't" kids.

Did you read a single sentence I wrote above? *sigh*. Go do that, and stop with the FUD.

And Frz, thanks, i'll try that out too.
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i read it :P,

i hope you release it like you said you are in your post :)
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I tested "sachen". It appears to be working. (Good work...)

So, it looks like I was right.
That unrequited guy won't give us the roms neither the capture files. It only takes less than 1 minute to run sachen and have the demos as ndsfiles.

swimgod wrote:

http://swimgod.com/bounty/
here is my mock up page of the bounty page im trying to make

Linked from my passthrough page. That should get you a few hits and some PageRank for next time.
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thanks tepples :),
i need to get the word out :P

if we could just get this demo download manager working it would bring so much more live to the ds community :)
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If they only distributed them throughout the country like they said they would.

ssj4android wrote:

If they only distributed them throughout the country like they said they would.

there are going to...
they are basicly testing right now :P

and they are trying to sell more stuff at the nintendo worlds
is my guess.
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no offence Nuff, but your being a bit of an @$$ over all this
first, unrequited isn't a kid...he's completed a 3 year+ college degree, then did another year which was basically all research, which requires alot of patience and self-control
second, all those posts were made within 24 hours...some people aren't on the net 24/7 (even tho they might like to be) so give him some time to upload the demo's. like you, he probably has a life away from the computer as well. he said to be patient, that he wanted to learn to do it himself and he was going through it with sgstair over the weekend...as of this post, the weekend just started in the US, so give him some time and be glad someone is in the process of assembling these demos for us all
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I seriously think that page bounty isn't going to do very well. It'd be better to have a bounty for something that DS homebrew actually needs.. like a web browser, or an actual engine that emphasizes "extreme ease-of-development" ability for those who many not know how to program. For instance, a Game Maker for the DS that supports a scripting language of some sort.

It's probably not gonna happen but like I said, it'd make more sense to have a bounty on something the DS needs, rather than something the DS is going to have pretty soon if people would just be more patient and understanding with each other. :D
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i hope it does well :/

but,
he didn't capture the whole thing.
or atleast thats what he things he got,
and didn't.
......................................................................
maybe your right about the bounty,
but ill try to get people working on this...
because a lot of people would love donatating $5
instead of purchasing $120 equpiment to work!

now im one of those people :P
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He still didn't post any word about it, I've seen him posting in other forums about different topics. It's clear he's been mucking us about this. :/

or maybe he's going over it with sgstair so he can learn the process involved, like he said

just give it time man
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Nuff wrote:

He still didn't post any word about it, I've seen him posting in other forums about different topics. It's clear he's been mucking us about this. :/

Stop being an ass. I'm stick of it. I'm not posting in this thread until there's more to post, and yes, sebbo, I am. No good deed goes unpunished. I wanted to keep you guys abreast of what I was doing to help get these demos captured for the community, but from now on and for next time, I'll just stfu until I have the binaries to post, and keep everybody but the members of the board I talk to on a regular basis in the dark. gg politeness.
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unrequited wrote:

Stop being an ass. I'm stick of it. I'm not posting in this thread until there's more to post, and yes, sebbo, I am. No good deed goes unpunished. I wanted to keep you guys abreast of what I was doing to help get these demos captured for the community, but from now on and for next time, I'll just stfu until I have the binaries to post, and keep everybody but the members of the board I talk to on a regular basis in the dark. gg politeness.

You know, you can just ignore that kind of reactions... The most important is to have the demos, especially Brain Age :) And if that can make you an expert in the field of demo capturing at the same time, then I think everybody wins (except maybe the whiners of this forum)!

tssf wrote:

I seriously think that page bounty isn't going to do very well. It'd be better to have a bounty for something that DS homebrew actually needs.. like a web browser, or an actual engine that emphasizes "extreme ease-of-development" ability for those who many not know how to program.

I strongly agree with you. Not only does it appear that no money has actually been donated, the page isn't very professional at all. Several spelling mistake littered throughout, his keyboard clearly has a broken shift key, and random words seem to be bolded and overlined.

At this point, it seems as if the only person who dumped demos is doing it because he wants to. If I was in the same situation, I would do the same thing. I dont think there's going to be any problem getting all of the demos that will supposedly dissappear, especially since they've already announced that the Tetris and Brain Age demos would be on the stations that are going nationwide.

Sappharad wrote:

I strongly agree with you. Not only does it appear that no money has actually been donated, the page isn't very professional at all. Several spelling mistake littered throughout, his keyboard clearly has a broken shift key, and random words seem to be bolded and overlined.

well thats great for you,
i guess some people just skip around the page reading what ever sticks out the most(bold words...btw, what ever is bold is over lined too :P, welcome to the world of css pal)

making the viewer randomly see nonsensical things, when in reality it has reasons.
btw, the only spelling mistake that i see is "beguin"
which really isn't a spelling mistake but more of the wrong word...
(p.s. the only word 'misplaced' is a bold one, proving how you just looked for a second...)

have a nice day, and try not to post things that will just slow the improvement of homebrew for the ds :)
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swimgod wrote:

well thats great for you,
i guess some people just skip around the page reading what ever sticks out the most(bold words...btw, what ever is bold is over lined too :P, welcome to the world of css pal)

Well, as long as you're aware that you did that. I found it highly unusual.

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swimgod wrote:

making the viewer randomly see nonsensical things, when in reality it has reasons.
btw, the only spelling mistake that i see is "beguin"
which really isn't a spelling mistake but more of the wrong word...
(p.s. the only word 'misplaced' is a bold one, proving how you just looked for a second...)

have a nice day, and try not to post things that will just slow the improvement of homebrew for the ds :)

I didn't say anything about misplaced words. But since you seem so defensive over your mistakes here are some of the obvious ones:

Quote:

Q: Who gets the bounty?
A: The person who creates atleast at least a working .nds that will run the download manager over wifi, so we can beguin begin to figure out how send our own apps instead of nintendo's Nintendo's list of demos & videos. The best way to achive achieve this, is to capture the stuff yourself as you can guess... So far they are only avalible available at Nintendo World Store. Good luck and good will towards homebrew!

Q: Why should i I donate to this cause?
A: You should donate so you can have a new way of providing homebrew to new firmware ds in a afortable affordable range.

Q: How much progress has been made?
A: So far, not much. Sadly, only one person has captured a little piece of what is avalible available from the kiosk.

Q: Do we get the bounty for capturing the demos, but not making the .nds?
A: Sorry, no. It is of almost no use to us if all you do is capture the demos. Although if you shared your captures with a person that might be able to create the .nds, you can split the money between you two(or more).

Q: How long is this kiosk gonna be up, till its it's updated?
A: Here is the kicker..., According to people that work at the store, they think there they're gonna get vol.2 of this download kiosk on the 20th(Metroid and Tetris release)... That leaves very little time. Please hurry to capture. Figuring out where to go from there doesn't need to be rushed as much, luckly :).

Q: I have a question, where do I ask it?
A: You can ask it in an email or on a forum(gbadev.org, or PocketHeaven.com)

Q: I don't understand why you need Nintendo world store's demos, there are already demos available...
A: Some of them are, and some of them are not. But thats that's not the main reason the bounty exists. The bounty is to create a working .nds of the download manager application that sends the demos to the ds. With that we can begin to hack it and try to send our homebrew instead of the Nintendo apps :). I think that pretty much explains everything.

I'll leave the wording up to you. I apologize if I missed any spelling errors, as I used notepad for the corrections so I couldn't run a spell checker on it.

I hope this helps.

well thanks for helping me correct :P

btw,
just so you know,(not being too defencive or explanatory on it but)
i used basicly an online notepad to make this page from scratch.

so i can't blame you for missing any misstakes I made
lol

but again thanks for the corrections.

on a side note:
personal i think i have the right idea...
just not the tools or the money to go about doing it...
i have 611 hits already...(to the bounty page)

if you wanna help make a better page, ill put it up :)
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I seriously think that page bounty isn't going to do very well. It'd be better to have a bounty for something that DS homebrew actually needs..

Your only saying that because you have working homebrew.

Homebrew needs more people to create, and to run programs, imo.
Having a new, cheaper, method to do that will help that to happen.

I only got into homebrew because of the cheapness of the GBAMP+Passme1.
If I had a later version DS, I wouldnt be here, or wouldnt be enjoying Scumm, Moonshell, and all the other wonderfull creations.

Darkflame wrote:

Homebrew needs more people to create, and to run programs, imo.
Having a new, cheaper, method to do that will help that to happen.

Yes, someone that understands why this bounty needed to be created :D

personal, even if i had a early version ds i would still have made this bounty to bring cheaper homebrew methods back :)

P.S.
i just realized while writing this,

people who bought a ds when it first came out,
didn't exactly need to save up because they arleady had money to buy it.

but if you bought it later (like when i did)
you had to save up to get a ds,
meaning you are slighty poor or just didn't have the money then...

so what makes you think the people will have the money to buy this super expensive things to run homebrew...

just takes more people out of the scene...

(of course there are some exceptions Please don't get made claiming your not poor lol :P)
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After reading this thread, and all the jabbering back and forth arguing about who will, or won't give/get NDS game demos, I feel like I should remind some of the people on this thread that anyone who is capturing/assembling any of these demos is doing so on their own free time.

Just because someone can possibly capture these demos it does not mean they HAVE to, or are required to distribute them if it all works out in the end. Just be patient and be thankful to anyone that feels like trying and quit whining over it. :)
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ok this is bad >.<;
i got a donation for $5 from

tetsujin

but unforunitly i have not verified my paypal account,
so i can't recieve the donation...
that means ill need someone we can trust to manage the donations...

Please Someone,
we need to manage the money till the bounty is claimed...
PLEASE respond soon...
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I really don't think we need a bounty for this. I don't see how capturing these demos will further homebrew.

IxthusTiger wrote:

I really don't think we need a bounty for this. I don't see how capturing these demos will further homebrew.

The demo loader has a potential to be exploited.

swimgod ~ Why cant you varify your account?

In order to verify a PayPal account, you need a bank checking account. In order to get a bank checking account in one's own name in the United States, you need a date of birth at least 6575 days before the current date. Swimgod does not have this.
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As I posted in this thread (http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=5861&start=225), I've captured the packets from a DS Download Station as well and I'd love some assistance in assembling them into working NDS files. Frz, I tried your sachen app but unfortunately it didn't work for me. Please PM me if you can help me re-assemble these packets into a working set of NDS files and I would be happy to send you the captures. Thanks!

RedFive wrote:

Please PM me if you can help me re-assemble these packets into a working set of NDS files and I would be happy to send you the captures. Thanks!

What format have you captured them in? Libpcap, Airopeek, or something else?
I don't think I'd be able to do anything with them unless it's fairly straightforwrd, but I would be curious to look through them if you could post them publicly somewhere.

Sappharad wrote:

What format have you captured them in? Libpcap, Airopeek, or something else?
I don't think I'd be able to do anything with them unless it's fairly straightforwrd, but I would be curious to look through them if you could post them publicly somewhere.

I captured them in libpcap format. If I don't have any luck with the people that are helping me with this so far, I'll post them publicly.

Does anyone have a way to get in touch with firefly? According to sgstair's E3 demo page, he's the one that assembled those demos. I'd like to send him a copy of the captures, if anyone can help me contact him.

RedFive wrote:

Sappharad wrote:

What format have you captured them in? Libpcap, Airopeek, or something else?
I don't think I'd be able to do anything with them unless it's fairly straightforwrd, but I would be curious to look through them if you could post them publicly somewhere.

I captured them in libpcap format. If I don't have any luck with the people that are helping me with this so far, I'll post them publicly.

Does anyone have a way to get in touch with firefly? According to sgstair's E3 demo page, he's the one that assembled those demos. I'd like to send him a copy of the captures, if anyone can help me contact him.

Good luck with that, He left the scene a while ago and wasnt interested in helping out last time I heard of him.

I'd like to get a copy, for study reasons mainly. I doubt i'd be able to assemble them.

Weird, I saw him - like - two weeks ago in the Users Browsing This Forum bar.

Yeah, Tim doesn't play with the DS anymore...
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MaHe wrote:

Weird, I saw him - like - two weeks ago in the Users Browsing This Forum bar.

Are you sure?

[FireFly] wrote:

MaHe wrote:

Weird, I saw him - like - two weeks ago in the Users Browsing This Forum bar.

Are you sure?

I can confirm this. I also recall seeing you a week or two ago.

going from GDC (and the statement made that retail stores will have the demo units from GDC in 60 days) capturing and assembling the demos are going to be harder (and i think its because of people capturing the downloadable demos)
the demo station sends a launcher program that lists all the demo's that are available for download, then sends the demo after you select it from that list, so there's a possibility that the demo's are in a new format, or check to see if they are being launched from that launcher program...then again, i guess its just a small hurdle
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Redfive and I were able to do some controlled testing today, he used kismac to capture the demo version of Ouendan being sent from my DS to his. We were able to capture the transfers about 10 times into two different capture files. From there with the help of frz's sachen tool we were able to at least get it to spit out a .nds

Too bad the nds just causes a DS to lock up w/ two white screens. Obviously we're missing something here, just not sure what yet. Going to try this again with meteos to see if we can get it working before heading back to Best Buy to capture the kiosk demos.

Sebbo wrote:

going from GDC (and the statement made that retail stores will have the demo units from GDC in 60 days) capturing and assembling the demos are going to be harder (and i think its because of people capturing the downloadable demos)
the demo station sends a launcher program that lists all the demo's that are available for download, then sends the demo after you select it from that list, so there's a possibility that the demo's are in a new format, or check to see if they are being launched from that launcher program...then again, i guess its just a small hurdle

I actually would call this a good chance for wifime2. If they really included another launcher, chances are that it might be vulnerable like the old firmware's WiFi Play or through a buffer overflow.

But to be honest, i don't see a reason why N would do so. That's like inventing the wheel twice, isn't it?
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Got Meteos working. The filesize is exactly the same as the e3 demo listed on sgstair's demo website, but there are some significant differences in the binaries. Not sure where that comes from, but we're too happy to care much.

Will probably hit up Best Buy and try to capture the demos later today.

Tivac wrote:

Got Meteos working. The filesize is exactly the same as the e3 demo listed on sgstair's demo website, but there are some significant differences in the binaries. Not sure where that comes from, but we're too happy to care much.

Will probably hit up Best Buy and try to capture the demos later today.

I thought you guys had the demos captured already?
I sent a PM asking for a copy of the libpcap dumps, and he never replied.

I'm really surprized at the lack of information posted over the last few days about them. I would have expected at least some general information by now. If you're not interested in sharing anything, I'll probably make plans to visit Best Buy next weekend.

im soo happy to see people are actually doing this :D :D and Tivac, I hope all goes well and I think its cool you captured your own version of Meteos :O!!
This is step one for you Tivac, you have the knowledge to do this, so lets get some kiosk demo's! yes!!!

and if it doesn't work for ya, lets hope Sappharad can get it working then!
and I think he wants a copy of the files you capture so he can try to assemble them too, you know, more of a chance of getting em to work if two people working on it at the same time

and if you didnt realize at first, I'm the starter of this thread, and I'm thankful for everyones support and replys!
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We went to Best Buy and captured the demo loader + Brain Training for about 15 minutes over and over again. Just for kicks we tried running it through frz's tool and it crashed pretty spectacularly. We're gonna try running it through Visual Studio later tonight and see if we can't do some debugging on it.

Part of the issue is that frz is German, so some of his variable names are in German. Not only that, but some are in German leetspeak. Leetspeak's hard enough to translate sometimes, but when it's in another language it's all kinds of weird. ;)

I'll keep reporting our results as we make progress.

Tivac wrote:

We went to Best Buy and captured the demo loader + Brain Training for about 15 minutes over and over again. Just for kicks we tried running it through frz's tool and it crashed pretty spectacularly. We're gonna try running it through Visual Studio later tonight and see if we can't do some debugging on it.

How were the dumps captured? One long stream of everything?
Or did you capture the loader, stop, start a new capture for Brain Training, stop, and repeat? (Which would be much easier for a program to parse)

I wouldn't expect an existing tool to be able to extract anything except the demo loader, since it is of course the only thing sent the "old way."

A solid, working binary of the demo loader that can load from a SuperCard or WMB would help.
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sure would :P
which is why it will never get released :P
j/k

but really,
we should do pulse capture(just made that term up :P)
and stop once we see it not sending data to the ds anymore
but before we choose a demo to try :)

then before you click the demo start it again :P
then click the download :)

that would be a lot better :D
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Sappharad wrote:

How were the dumps captured? One long stream of everything?
Or did you capture the loader, stop, start a new capture for Brain Training, stop, and repeat? (Which would be much easier for a program to parse)

I wouldn't expect an existing tool to be able to extract anything except the demo loader, since it is of course the only thing sent the "old way."

It was all one stream, wasn't a chance to really put a lot of work into it while we were there. Tomorrow we'll probably put more time into seperating them out to try and clean it up.

Yeah, a working copy of the demo loader would be awesome. Theoretically we'll be able to parse it out but who knows. This stuff is a pain in the ass but fun to try and learn about.

Tivac wrote:

We went to Best Buy and captured the demo loader + Brain Training for about 15 minutes over and over again.

You captured the entire loader (~300Kbyte) but only 98.3% of Brain Training.

gotta catch em all...
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[FireFly], does the loader boot correctly?

MaHe wrote:

[FireFly], does the loader boot correctly?

Isnt the loader all we needed in the first place? That and a way to replace "DS Brain AGE.nds" with "Flashme.nds"?

Because if all we intended with this was to loader, and it works, we might have succeded in WiFiMe2...

Nushio wrote:

MaHe wrote:

[FireFly], does the loader boot correctly?

Isnt the loader all we needed in the first place? That and a way to replace "DS Brain AGE.nds" with "Flashme.nds"?

Because if all we intended with this was to loader, and it works, we might have succeded in WiFiMe2...

Thats assuming that nintendo has no additional RSA checking, aside from the one used to download the loader to the DS in the first place. Nintendo could just as easily have an RSA check in this loader as well, and not only that, they could actually use a different private key for this loader, to prevent any of the captured demos from running on the DS as is. (except for the one in a gazillion chance that the signature somehow validates on the built in DS public key.)

Regardless, finding out might actually involve reverse engineering this loader.

The boot loader has been extracted but still will only run on a flashed ds, no luck yet.

so we are finnaly getting some where :P
now to just get it working on a non-flashed ds :P
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Tivac wrote:

The boot loader has been extracted but still will only run on a flashed ds, no luck yet.

It should work on a non-flashed ds too. The RSA signature is valid. I ran it using wmb.

how is it working now? im confused

Basically because firefly knows how to do it and I'm not 100% sure ;) But I'll figure it out...

so... does it work on flashed ds's?
if so can u release a pre-version?
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Notice how Nuff stfu and stopped posting even after it was released all over the place and people still can't get caps which work?
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Notice how unrequited stfu and stopped posting even after Frz released his tool and somebody else who's much more friendly provided their caps?

Nuff wrote:

Notice how unrequited stfu and stopped posting even after Frz released his tool and somebody else who's much more friendly provided their caps?

I haven't seen any captures posted anywhere, and my last request for them went without reply. If they were released and I just never saw them, a link would be appreciated.

Otherwise I'm not as concerned about assisting with their assembly, since Firefly seems to be helping them and he's probably already modified his tools to handle the new captures.

yeah, i'd like a link, too :D
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STFU Nuff

BIG Thank you to FireFly for helping me assemble these, we're working on the other two demos (Mario Kart DS & Metroid Movie) right now. Hopefully they'll be up later today. The loader gets compressed versions of the demos, which the loader decompresses, and then runs. After FireFly got the decompresser isolated, it was just a matter of getting a full capture of the demo, which I had and him having to piece it together. I'm on a business trip the rest of the week, but afterwhich, if nobody's gotten the other 5 demos, then I'll be more than happy to go back to NYC or a Best Buy and get the rest for FireFly to reassemble.

**edit changed my website for firefly's mirror**
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OK, I officially want to have your children. Although I also promised that to pepsiman... And I'm male. :(

FireFly says the other two demos I capped are too incomplete, so I gotta go and get 'em when I get back from my business trip. Well one's better than nothing.
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Just HURRY please ;p
Nah, I'm just being excited, nevermind me :)

My personal favorite is Tetris DS - Push.

Ok since firefly figured out the demos I probably won't look at them and how they are sent just now... and you probably won't need this anymore since most likely most demos from now on will use the new method but anyway here are the updated sachen which can be used to extract a working loader.nds from pcacp captures (I'd post the nds but I'm not sure if the guy that gave me the caps would be ok with that so I won't...)

anyway... sachen 0.3b (and if I continue to fix stuff in it I think I should clean up the source sometimes... its really horrible ;))

edit:
Ok got permission to post the loader :)
http://mitglied.lycos.de/freezer2k/demoloader.zip (paste the url in the adressbar cause its on some crappy freespace...)
You can't actually do a lot with it cause someone would have to write a program to send demo roms to first but maybe you can play around/look for possible exploitation points/whatever
Thanks to RedFive and Tivac for providing the captures that allowed me to fix some nasty bugs in sachen and to extract this thing :)

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wow, brain age was sweet! great work guys!

Frz wrote:

Ok got permission to post the loader :)

Here's the loader that I extracted, with correct icon and text...
http://users.belgacom.net/bn845065/nds/ds_download_station_vol_1_loader.png
http://users.belgacom.net/bn845065/nds/ds_download_station_vol_1_loader.zip

However if I'm not mistaken you actually modified the nds header, didn't you?

If I got it correctly the iconoffset in the header that is sent is 0 that's why there is no icon in my nds file (I didn't want to tinker with it)

I also got the text and icon correct just not in the nds file cause I think it's not meant to be there

Frz wrote:

Ok got permission to post the loader :) You can't actually do a lot with it cause someone would have to write a program to send demo roms to first but maybe you can play around/look for possible exploitation points/whatever

The loader checks the RSA signature of the downloaded demo, just like the DS Download Play part of the DS firmware.

Frz wrote:

However if I'm not mistaken you actually modified the nds header, didn't you? If I got it correctly the iconoffset in the header that is sent is 0 that's why there is no icon in my nds file (I didn't want to tinker with it) I also got the text and icon correct just not in the nds file cause I think it's not meant to be there

Yes. I always edit the .nds file so that it has the correct icon and text. If I would not do this then almost every demo would show up as "Nintendo DS Demonstration" with a question mark icon.

[FireFly]: Just wondering... Where does "DS DOWNLOAD PLAY----------------" at 0x200 come from? I saw this in all of the demos you assembled.

When I captured the Meteos Download-Trial myself I never saw a similar string when searching through the capture with a hex editor.

[FireFly] wrote:

The loader checks the RSA signature of the downloaded demo, just like the DS Download Play part of the DS firmware.

It appears that Nintendo anticipated that we would look for WiFiMe2. So are you or anybody else reading this willing to help figure out other protocols such as those used by actual DS games' second stage loaders?
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So is this COULD be wifime2 if ds download station didn't have RSA check because you would:

1. Broadcast DS Download Station to an unmodified DS, because the DS Download Station would pass the RSA signature check

2. Broadcast homebrew to ds download station, and it would run the nds, because it wouldn't have a signature check?

Am i right?

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BTW: Is there anyway to get the program that the nds uses to broadcast as a ds download station?

You're right.

Progress in finding second-stage loaders that allow unsigned code to start:

DS Download Station - FAIL
Super Mario 64 DS - Not tested
Mario Kart DS - Not tested
Other Nintendo DS games - Not tested

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did you check the code for possible exploits tepples? you did not honestly believe that there would be no rsa checks, did you?

There may be a way to get through this. But, if there any ways to exploit this, does anyone know who knows how to find parts of code to exploit? How do you find exploitable parts of code? If it's not too hard too learn, I'd like to help out.

Also, how do you capture stuff from DS download stations? I wouldn't mind going out and capturing to help out. Can you only capture from within the walls of the best buy? What if someone was watching me...could I get into any kind of trouble?

Frz wrote:

Ok got permission to post the loader :)
http://mitglied.lycos.de/freezer2k/demoloader.zip (paste the url in the adressbar cause its on some crappy freespace...)

the website doesnt even work on adress bar its not downloading

BUT great job on capturing and assembling!

EDIT:
lol just right click and "save target as" it works
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also, unrequited and firefly-

when do you suppose the release of Mariokart and Metroid movie demo?

thanks! you guys rock

also- a simple request - :D

can True Swing Golf be assembled after these?
it really suonds fun. hope its not rude to ask

Go unrequited and firefly for GREAT work!
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Thanks a lot! That Brain Age demo is surprisingly fun :) Keep up the good work!

Great job!! Brain Age is great!! I'm 70 years old too.

Can't get the demo loader to work though. I patched it with supercard software. Anyone else got it to work?

the loader and the demo worked good on the supercard cf.
1st my age was in the 70s, then it came down to the 40s :)
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thundrestrike wrote:

also, unrequited and firefly-

when do you suppose the release of Mariokart and Metroid movie demo?

thanks! you guys rock

I already stated when I'd be able to get to them in my post about it above, as for the assembling, you gotta atlak to FireFly, it's at his pleasure that this demo got assembled in the swift time that it did.
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STFU Nuff

Ah, cool...so that's what the loader does eh? Makes me wonder if Nintendo did that just to spite the people who captured the previous demos. :P
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great job with the captures guys.

the loader boots fine for me, but I can't seem to get Brain Age to boot on a G6 3rd using flashmev6.

No complaints, just thought someone should point it out.

Thank you for capturing the Brain Age demo.

My mom is hooked!

She is an english teacher in Mexico, and she used my DS to put her students on a test (the Brain age measurement test, where you say the colors you see), the microphone seems a bit busted, because even when we clearly heard "Black", it doesnt recognize it, which gave the kid points off.

I cant wait for the full thing though, and I hope the mic is magically fixed, and is only busted because I'm using a demo and not the whole thing.

some people do tend to have microphone problems. If you yell, or innunciate to much, instead of speaking like you normally would, it won't recognize.

Brain Age is pretty fun. Brain age in my 40's. I've gotten a car speed once on the math, but I usually get walking. And I completed the puzzle in 40 minutes, but I made a mistake (forgot to write down one of the possibilities) and got 20 minutes tacked on.

Nushio wrote:

She is an english teacher in Mexico, and she used my DS to put her students on a test (the Brain age measurement test, where you say the colors you see), the microphone seems a bit busted, because even when we clearly heard "Black", it doesnt recognize it, which gave the kid points off.

Exactly. I'm not a native english speaker, so I'm not really sure, but I must say something like "Bluck" to make it recognize it :(
I sincerely hope they fix it.
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any progress on the other demo's? thanks in advance!
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I'm a native speaker, and I have to say "Blu-E", sayign the letter E. So no, it's not perfect.
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dualscreenman wrote:

What about Gaim DS? Gaim pretty much has support for all IM programs.

tepples wrote:

"Goshdammit, the DS is not a Gaim-boy! It's a third pillar!"

It works perfectly good to me. Every colour I say, it will recognize is.

Maybe you lot are americans :D
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i used to have problems with red on this thing, though saying it more like 'wed' made it recognise it

thundrestrike wrote:

also, unrequited and firefly-

when do you suppose the release of Mariokart and Metroid movie demo?

thanks! you guys rock

also- a simple request - :D

can True Swing Golf be assembled after these?
it really suonds fun. hope its not rude to ask

Go unrequited and firefly for GREAT work!

If I had another DS (or if I knew someone in Monterrey, N.L., Mexico) that has a DS, I'd capture the Touch Golf demo myself.

the game's graphics were so damn good,
my dad bought the game lol

that game is really accurate,
and it is very sensitive on your swings...
if you go slow accross the touch pad,
the ball goes no where :D

buy the game,
the demo will just tease you till you die :P
BUY IT!
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dualscreenman wrote:

I'm a native speaker, and I have to say "Blu-E", sayign the letter E. So no, it's not perfect.

I have to say bloo

Alright, now that I actually learned how to do a Sudoku, 12 minutes and 13 seconds. Train. What's the fastest it goes to?

It goes up to Jet Speed! I got that on my first try :) I guess I have a natural aptitude for it!

progress on other demo's? thanks!
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we're just waiting for unrequited to get bak from his buisness trip before we see any more demos

unrequited wrote:

I'm on a business trip the rest of the week, but afterwhich, if nobody's gotten the other 5 demos, then I'll be more than happy to go back to NYC or a Best Buy and get the rest for FireFly to reassemble.

Of course he mentioned that he's the capturer, if anyone else can capture them and send them to [firefly], progress can be made while hes still gone!

but also the "rest of the week" pretty much ends either today or tomorrow. So we'll see some progress nevertheless

thanks guys! Brain age is pretty good! looking foward to True Swing Golf the most, but I also can't wait for the rest!!!

And will you two be planning on (attempting) to get the other demo's [volume 2, 3 and so forth] of the kiosk demo's? Hopeing that they don't protect them.
But if they do, we can probably find a way around it.... hmm...?
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You know what'd be very cool? A packet capture for DS Linux. I don't lnow if WiFi is stable enough yet, but a packet capture app that'd write to CF would be cool. Hey- you don't even need DS Linux, once Stephen gets his WiFi libs all straightened out. Either of those would be the best. You'd be totally inconspicuous, have no laptop to lug around, and get (theoretically) better captures since you'd be closer. The only downside is that you'd need two DS's, or just wait until somebody starts to download. Using the latter method you could browse the videogame aisle for a while with the DS in your pocket, and see what you come up with at the end.
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dualscreenman wrote:

What about Gaim DS? Gaim pretty much has support for all IM programs.

tepples wrote:

"Goshdammit, the DS is not a Gaim-boy! It's a third pillar!"

yeah that'd be cool, but lets stay on subject :D
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*Goes back on subject and desperately reloads page every 5 minutes for updates*

Well, it's not really very off-topic if we're discussing ways of capturing demo's, but I see what you mean.
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dualscreenman wrote:

What about Gaim DS? Gaim pretty much has support for all IM programs.

tepples wrote:

"Goshdammit, the DS is not a Gaim-boy! It's a third pillar!"

sorry to through it off topic again :P,

but we really need a ds that can packet capture on the go :P
it Does need to be in a bigger program too :D
and your right,
DsLinux is a great place for it :P
if not moonshell,
why moonshell?
well moonshell has kinda a graphic interface,
and you can put little marks to indacate if you started a download or something :P

anyway,
we REALLY need a portable packet capture with moonshell or dslinux,
and if someone could start that soon :P
that would be great :P

*slaps anyone who goes off subject again*
back on SUBJECT:P
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any progress? when is unrequited getting back anyway
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thundrestrike wrote:

any progress? when is unrequited getting back anyway

just wait man :P,
he said

unrequited wrote:

"I'm on a business trip the rest of the week, but afterwhich, if nobody's gotten the other 5 demos, then I'll be more than happy to go back to NYC or a Best Buy and get the rest for FireFly to reassemble."

now that could mean friday or saturday,(last week)
and today is saturday...
so,
he should be back lol...
just wait...
he is doing everyone a favor getting the captures :P
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Just got back, got a bunch of raids today and tomorrow, but I'll try to get to a couple bestbuys in the area on Monday, or if I can't find any download stations (don't see why not) I'll make the trip to NYC Nintendo World on tuesday.
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Yay! :D
Try to catch ALL the demos (twice, for security reasons ;D ) if possible :>
Good boy :)
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yeah! woohoo!

can't wait for true swing golf, me and my dad are golf pals

me and him liked tiger woods pga tour, and wait till i show him true swing golf!

glad you're back!
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unrequited, any progress? thanks
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I have the strangest feeling that he'll post when he's ready to, and that asking if he's made progress won't make it happen any quicker. That's just me, though.

its kind of a "bump" without saying "bump" you know?

but i feel ya
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thunderstrike, didn't you read my post 3 above yours?
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Have you guys just tried going to a Best Buy?
Mine has the DS Dowloader installed.
There's no flashy kiosk, but you can dowload all the demos in store.
Just go to the Demo DS in their store and the wireless unit is probably installed near by. The one at my store was in a plastic case next to the Gamecube demo TV.

My local Best Buy still has Pac Pix as the demo on their DS. My local GameStop doesn't even have a demo DS! (They used to, too.)

unrequited wrote:

thunderstrike, didn't you read my post 3 above yours?

well if you read MY post :P
its really a bump, cause it falls through the forum if I don't, and the moderator deletes the messages that just say bump.

and yeah, I did read it, and I look foward to the new demos!
sorry if it got you angry :O
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krunkster wrote:

Have you guys just tried going to a Best Buy?
Mine has the DS Dowloader installed.
There's no flashy kiosk, but you can dowload all the demos in store.
Just go to the Demo DS in their store and the wireless unit is probably installed near by. The one at my store was in a plastic case next to the Gamecube demo TV.

The thing is you can't capture them without a laptop

quadomatic wrote:

The thing is you can't capture them without a laptop

Or a handheld computer like a Sharp Zaurus.
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Flood_of_SYNs wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

The thing is you can't capture them without a laptop

Or a handheld computer like a Sharp Zaurus.

really? that makes capturin less suspiscuois
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Or when someone figures out how to implement the DS Download Protocol on the DS software, you can create software to capture it to a Compact Flash card from the Nintendo DS
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CPColin wrote:

My local Best Buy still has Pac Pix as the demo on their DS. My local GameStop doesn't even have a demo DS! (They used to, too.)

My Gamestop (Software Etc) doesn't even have a demo DS or display DS games either. Does Gamestop hate the DS or something? Is PSP really bringing in that much more money?

to put it simple
NO.

lol,
my (hudreads) of game stops have these stands with 2 ds's :P
and if i remember right they have true swing golf, and metroid prime hunters lol.

BOO PSP SUCKS!
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Nope, it isnt.
On the other hand, maybe they want to get rid of the PSP's game stock they do have.
Or the rapidly bombing UMD movie format.

hehe, its soo true about UMDs...harvey norman has a dump bin full of UMD movies for AU$20...about US$15, and still noone's buying them

back on topic...
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Today was a delight. The EB games in my local mall, has a DS download station. I ended up reinstalling flashme, and then that brainwave hit. I had the demo loader on my CF card, and basically skipped redownloading that loader time and time again, while trying out the demos.

as it is wednesday now, i believe i have the right to ask this :P

so hows the proggress unrequited/ firefly?
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You don't have the right to ask.
He's doing it in his own free time and he isn't getting anything in return.
When (if) he has some news that he feels he should post, I imagine he will.
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well i have the freedom of speech,

and I know you guys are as excited as I am, and I'm curious

stop taking out all the anger on me for asking a simple question, I dont think its hurting him by askin the progress... and last time he release the demo without telling us, and I was just being sure if it was released yet or not

i dont believe he's mad for me asking
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lol,
dude its one thing when you ask a question,
its another when you ask it OVER AND OVER again :P,

and if you didn't tell,
he has his own agenda,
this is something he squeezed in, because he is a nice person :P.

so,
Stop asking,
and just wait like the rest of us.
the more you ask,
the less he (normaly) would want to give it to you.

so be kinda and thank him for giving what he gave so far...
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seriously guys stop ratting on thundrestrike...

ive been watching this thread for a while and felt like registering.
im sure im as excited as him.
its just a question, and he hasn't asked for a few days.

i know you're excited too, stop messing with the kid

btw: unrequited, we all eagerly await the next demo! ty
you are really, really nice for doing this

Baggles wrote:

its just a question, and he hasn't asked for a few days.

Try waiting 14 days before bugging anybody.
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The EB where I work just got the downlaod station in today, I have a DS w/ flashme installed - I could install FWNitro and copy the cart, correct?

Should I do this or has it been done already?

d

NO it has not been done!,
PLEASE do it :D
and yes that is how you copy the games infomation :D

we would VERY appriate it if you could get it,
this would help a LOT
:D
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Alright, I will install FWNitro tonight

I've read FWNitro cant write to the M3 SD? I'll test it with one of my DS games tonight though to be sure.

I work tomorrow at 2pm and i'll be home around 9:30pm et.. I'll post it then if all works.

d

k :P,
if you need file hosting i can provide it,
just pm me if you want hosting for the dump so everyone to help out and figure out how it works.

maybe then we can start to see wifime2 ;)
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I loaded up the firmware just by loading it via my m3, (eg without needing to flash my ds) - i loaded the metroid hunters demo cart and went to dump it... it hangs at "initializing FAT" and doesnt do anything.

I have an M3 SD, -- is it not supported?

i think they don't have write support for the sd carts >.<;...
but if you have a GBAMP it would work fine :)
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All I've got is the m3.

d

well then i guess we will have to find a way for you to get a gbamp to use...
maybe someone that is a gbadev'er
is in your area and can vist your game store to dump the program :)...

or maybe we can presure some people into getting sd write support working ;)
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are there any other DS carddump programs?

none with sd write support sadly...
all the other dumpers have the same problem...
nobody has got a working sd write...
not even a test :'(
.....................................................................
this sucks really badly man...
finnaly we get someone who works at a store that could get the dump,
then it can't be saved :(
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Well if anyone can get me the proper equipment I'd be glad to dump it - but it'll have to be soon, because I'm leaving my job there at the end of april.

VectorBoy: M3 just released a dumper for the M3 on Monday but for some reason it's not on their site anymore... you can get it along with V18 of the firmware as well as updated software from dualscene.net though. This is their link: http://users.skynet.be/socialzero/E18J18.zip

When you dump a game, make sure you disable flashme if you have it installed and instead use a passkey. I hope this helps as I'd love to see all this stuff working... now... back to Brain Age.

O.K. VectorBoy I BEG you to dump it :)
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Very much so. If the download station ds card is dumped, you can then most likely extract the demos from the dump, and completely skip the need to do wifi captures of them.

caitsith2 wrote:

Very much so. If the download station ds card is dumped, you can then most likely extract the demos from the dump, and completely skip the need to do wifi captures of them.

Or run the dump with "the usual methods" and broadcast the demo's to friends! Or wouldn't that work because of the RSA key not being correct?

Well, maybe it wouldn't work for homebrew. But what about broadcasting E3 demos with it? Anyway, I'm happy to see something happening. ^_^
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omg. good luck VectorBoy

Yes, good luck VectorBoy:) This would be a pretty cool thing to have.

Good thing I checked the thread.

I'm gonna uninstall flashme now and install the new firmware.

edit: Just downloaded and installed hte new firmware - I'm dumping a copy of my metroid card w/ flashme still installed just to test it out to be sure I don't have to go and reflash everything.

I go to work in an hour or so, so providing all goes as planned, I'll have the demo tonight posted here at about 9:40pm eastern

d

* if mods think this is inappropriate content, please delete, thanks *

P.S: Backup your cf/sd media card before hand. Since I havn't tried it out yet, I can't gurantee it's not a trojan. Be careful. If you have flashme, you should be protected as long as you don't short SL1. ;)

* EDIT: oops, this download is probably same as the one posted by achilles97206 above. here are some instructions on how to use it though

I saw this the other day, havn't gotten a chance to try it out. Supposedly work with M3-SD as well. Go to this page. Right under the big HTML table, there is some red lettering to the right of "ONLINE" icon. Look below the ONLINE icon, and you will see "┊ 本地下载 ┊ ", click on that to download. The instructions goes something like:

1. Put dumper.nds onto your G6/M3, select it in the Game category to run
2. Press SELECT and make sure the DS game card is inserted. Press A to start
3. Before it finish backup, the program will ask you to insert the game card again. If you have pass me, remove pass me and insert the cart directly. If you have Flash Me, just pop the card out and reinsert
4. Press A to confirm, and the backup is complete.
5. You should fine the game in a folder (?) called CleanRomDump. It conforms to clean dump format. Usable on all flash cards.

Notes:
- usable on G6/M3-CF/M3-SD. G6, M3-CF is the fastest. Needs to calculate CRC when writing to SD, so it's slower.
- You must use update 18+ for M3 to read the data correctly. And firmware 3.23+ on G6
- You have to format your media in FAT format
- Make sure you have enough power during backup. Might want to plug the charger into DS. Do not turn off before backup completes.
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yeah it's the same tool that came with E18.

My dump of the MPH Demo card w/ just flashme (not using the passme) didnt work, it just froze up.. So I uninstalled flashme and am trying again, this time actually following the instructions :)

edit: Are the dumps supposed to not load when you try to run the NDS?
Both times I dumped the metroid card it'd just flicker the screen and lock up -- running it through the m3 game manager crashes the program.

Opening the file in wordpad shows the header as FIRST HUNT etc... so It seems to have captured properly, it just.. wont load?

d

VectorBoy wrote:

edit: Are the dumps supposed to not load when you try to run the NDS?
Both times I dumped the metroid card it'd just flicker the screen and lock up -- running it through the m3 game manager crashes the program.

Yeah, you have to run the clean dumps through M3's game manager to patch it first to work. You have to get the GM that matches your update E18 though. Have you tried GM 3.14 (here)?
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Waru: yeah. It seems like it was just the metroid demo that was messing up... I ripped a 'real' game and it loaded fine after running through 3.1.4

So that means I'll have success dumping the card -so yeah, Check back here at about 9:40 and i should have it up (The clean version, as well as the M3 managered version)

woot.

only a small woot?
come on...
MAKE IT BIGGER :D
and add a excemation point :D

WOOT!
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whats 9:40 in comparison to GMT?

can i add a woot? oh well...

WOOT

wow. just got back from school having a real bad day.
i had to wait an hour and 10 minutes after school cause my mom forgot to pick me up. i got home and someone outbid me on ebay, and they won.
terrible day.

until this! wow! this is awesome vectorboy!
thanks for clearing up my day!
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Dan2552 wrote:

whats 9:40 in comparison to GMT?

can i add a woot? oh well...

WOOT

well the time i posted this message,
6:55 PM
is what ever it is in GMT
....
Look at the top of this post for your time zone time :P
....
P.S.,
this is guessing he lives in EST timezone :D
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DS Misc > are the "kiosk demo"s captured and converted yet?

#75552 - thundrestrike - Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:22 am

#75558 - dualscreenman - Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:42 am

#75561 - swimgod - Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:06 am

#75563 - The_Mayor87 - Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:24 am

#75565 - swimgod - Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:27 am

#75566 - thundrestrike - Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:30 am

#75567 - swimgod - Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:36 am

#75581 - Flood_of_SYNs - Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:24 am

#75606 - thundrestrike - Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:50 pm

#75611 - Nuff - Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:16 pm

#75613 - thundrestrike - Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:34 pm

#75643 - thundrestrike - Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:54 pm

#75656 - Maverick - Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:56 pm

#75765 - Sappharad - Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:04 pm

#75788 - swimgod - Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:59 pm

#75815 - thundrestrike - Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:25 am

#75828 - Nuff - Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:53 am

#75840 - swimgod - Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:26 pm

#75853 - tepples - Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:29 pm

#75866 - thundrestrike - Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:15 pm

#75870 - tepples - Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:33 pm

#75872 - tssf - Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:46 pm

#75889 - thundrestrike - Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:47 pm

#75906 - swimgod - Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:57 pm

#75919 - ssj4android - Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:57 am

#75927 - swimgod - Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:23 am

#75937 - unrequited - Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:19 am

#75940 - swimgod - Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:51 am

#75948 - thundrestrike - Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:36 am

#75953 - swimgod - Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:22 am

#75959 - Nuff - Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:59 am

#75960 - swimgod - Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:02 am

#75968 - unrequited - Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:45 am

#75986 - Nuff - Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:45 pm

#75989 - unrequited - Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:33 pm

#75991 - Nuff - Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:37 pm

#75996 - Frz - Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:45 pm

#75997 - Nuff - Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:02 pm

#76002 - Frz - Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:34 pm

#76003 - Nuff - Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:39 pm

#76013 - unrequited - Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:38 pm

#76020 - swimgod - Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:34 pm

#76041 - Nuff - Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:40 pm

#76042 - tepples - Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:43 pm

#76048 - swimgod - Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:57 pm

#76049 - ssj4android - Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:02 pm

#76059 - swimgod - Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:12 am

#76112 - Sebbo - Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:13 am

#76138 - tepples - Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:02 pm

#76157 - tssf - Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:49 pm

#76161 - swimgod - Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:09 pm

#76204 - Nuff - Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:12 am

#76206 - Sebbo - Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:53 am

#76249 - unrequited - Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:04 pm

#76264 - Dark Knight ez - Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:48 pm

#76266 - MatLeOuf - Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:02 pm

#76268 - Sappharad - Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:43 pm

#76271 - swimgod - Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:26 am

#76282 - Sappharad - Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:46 am

#76283 - swimgod - Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:11 am

#76284 - Darkflame - Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:25 am

#76285 - swimgod - Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:31 am

#76286 - The 9th Sage - Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:00 am

#76348 - swimgod - Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:03 am

#76392 - IxthusTiger - Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:34 am

#76404 - Darkflame - Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:25 am

#76432 - tepples - Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:28 pm

#76433 - Darkflame - Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:33 pm

#76512 - RedFive - Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:20 am

#76543 - Sappharad - Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:43 pm

#76564 - RedFive - Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:30 pm

#76575 - Nushio - Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:15 pm

#76583 - MaHe - Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:53 pm

#76594 - shaz - Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:31 am

#76671 - [FireFly] - Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:05 am

#76695 - Sappharad - Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:22 pm

#76760 - Sebbo - Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:34 pm

#76899 - Tivac - Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:29 pm