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As I posted a few minutes ago in this thread:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=78368#78368

I have successfully dumped the DS Download Station DS card for your own personal use.

you can find it here:

http://www.tardwater.com/drevil/dsd/

the _RAW.zip is the raw dump direct from the card
the _M3.zip is the untrimmed M3 SD bootable version run through the 3.14 game manager.

Rom size is 16mb.

Enjoy, you're welcome.

d

VectorBoy wrote:

As I posted a few minutes ago in this thread:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=78368#78368

I have successfully dumped the DS Download Station DS card for your own personal use.

Well that's pretty cool and interesting, don't know if the mods are gonna appreciate this though. lol
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i was about to say make a new topic :D
ok well i got SUPER COOL NEWS!

there is a folder in the .nds called Data...
in that there is...

Code:

>ds_demo
->AGFEdemo
->AMCEdemo{Mario Kart}
->AMFEclip{metroid prime: hunters video...}
->AMTEdemo
->ANDEdemo
->APTEdemo
->ATTEdemo{tetris?}
->ATTEpush{tetris push?}
->demomenu
->testcode{?}LOL!!, this file contains this "King Kong vs. Godzilla! " LAUGH OUT LOUD :D
>mb
->ds_demo_client.sgn
->ds_demo_client.srl
->icon.nbfc
->icon.nbfp
->icon_.nbfc
->icon_.nbfp
->server
-->"RC1 2006 01 25 Nintendo DS Download Station - Vol. 1 Download game demos and movies for play on your Nintendo DS. "--server file contents, interesting :D you can change what the download menu says :)
->sign.bat
-->"c:\NitroSDK\tools\bin\attachsign ds_demo_client.srl ds_demo_client.sgn ds_demo_client.srl"--.bat file contents

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Last edited by swimgod on Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:07 pm; edited 3 times in total

The 9th Sage wrote:

VectorBoy wrote:

As I posted a few minutes ago in this thread:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=78368#78368

I have successfully dumped the DS Download Station DS card for your own personal use.

Well that's pretty cool and interesting, don't know if the mods are gonna appreciate this though. lol

lol,
this is basicly a demo,
well a manager of demo's :P
it is not copyrighted...(tepples said the demo's are, but the download manager is copyrighted)
it is perfectly legeal to have,(the demo's...)
there for the mods should be fine with it :P
infact im sure some of them would love to try the demo's :D
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Last edited by swimgod on Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:28 am; edited 1 time in total

The 9th Sage wrote:

VectorBoy wrote:

As I posted a few minutes ago in this thread:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=78368#78368

I have successfully dumped the DS Download Station DS card for your own personal use.

Well that's pretty cool and interesting, don't know if the mods are gonna appreciate this though. lol

figured it needs to get out there, and as they ARE demos, it's no different than capturing the demos from Wifi... at least this way it provides a way to do it yourself.

d

wait, what is this? Is this what the download stations are running?

it's not working on GBAMP...can anyone patch this or something?

Last edited by quadomatic on Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:24 am; edited 1 time in total

quadomatic wrote:

wait, what is this? Is this what the download stations are running?

does this work on GBAMP?

no,
unless chrism decides because of this it is a good idea to release his gbamp rom hack,
you can't run the station...
altho if you have something that can run roms,
then you can use a regular ds to download the demo's :)
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weeeeee!

can someone confirm this to work on a flashcard?
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swimgod wrote:

it is not copyrighted...
it is perfectly legeal to have

The kiosk demo card is copyright Nintendo. However, it is believed that distributing the demos is fair use.
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oh my bad :P
ill add right next to it that you said that :P,
so all we need to do is take out the demo's (which are there!!)
and leave the download manager alone(as much as posible ;) )
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swimgod wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

wait, what is this? Is this what the download stations are running?

does this work on GBAMP?

no,
unless chrism decides because of this it is a good idea to release his gbamp rom hack,
you can't run the station...
altho if you have something that can run roms,
then you can use a regular ds to download the demo's :)

why is it that no one else is able to figure out this hack?

quadomatic wrote:

swimgod wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

wait, what is this? Is this what the download stations are running?

does this work on GBAMP?

no,
unless chrism decides because of this it is a good idea to release his gbamp rom hack,
you can't run the station...
altho if you have something that can run roms,
then you can use a regular ds to download the demo's :)

why is it that no one else is able to figure out this hack?

thats what i was trying to say... then tepples came :O

oh well, back on topic, can someone confirm them working on flashcard?
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Last edited by thundrestrike on Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:31 am; edited 1 time in total

...
because you have to understand everything about fat and how the gbamp works...
and chrism is the #1 man for that,
he only did it as proff of concept anyway :P
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VectorBoy wrote:

figured it needs to get out there, and as they ARE demos, it's no different than capturing the demos from Wifi... at least this way it provides a way to do it yourself.

d

It's still pretty interesting, but I'm not sure if a system without Flashme could download the demos you would send with it though...I seem to remember something about games that send stuff via WMB relying on the encrypted secure area somehow (presumably something to do with the RSA stuff), and if it's unencrypted as a ROM dump would be...

I could be totally wrong though. I kinda wish that I'm wrong as it would be cool to be able to send some of this stuff to others. Don't have a way to test this information myself, so like I said it could be off.
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VectorBoy: I'm happy my information about the dumper helped you out. I hope to see more stuff from you in the future...

can someone just open up the nds and make it into separate demos then?

quadomatic wrote:

can someone just open up the nds and make it into separate demos then?

i can't promise the demo's will work but ill put them in a zip and host them :)

Edit:
here is the url,
http://swimgod.com/bounty/ds_demo.zip
FYI its 10mb, and includes the menu ;)
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Last edited by swimgod on Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:37 am; edited 1 time in total

quadomatic: that would be good then we can play it on gbamp!

vectorboy: which file do i use to put on my gba flashcarT?
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did everyone just leave? wow, the posts suddenly stopped :O

they are occupied with their demo's :P
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swimgod wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

can someone just open up the nds and make it into separate demos then?

i can't promise the demo's will work but ill put them in a zip and host them :)

Edit:
here is the url,
http://swimgod.com/bounty/ds_demo.zip
FYI its 10mb, and includes the menu ;)

thx, im bout to try it out

thundrestrike wrote:

quadomatic: that would be good then we can play it on gbamp!

vectorboy: which file do i use to put on my gba flashcarT?

Just get the one labeled as being 'raw'...that should be unpatched, you could extract the individual files from it if you wanted also.
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Last edited by The 9th Sage on Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:45 am; edited 1 time in total

quadomatic wrote:

swimgod wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

can someone just open up the nds and make it into separate demos then?

i can't promise the demo's will work but ill put them in a zip and host them :)

Edit:
here is the url,
http://swimgod.com/bounty/ds_demo.zip
FYI its 10mb, and includes the menu ;)

thx, im bout to try it out

your welcome :P,
i think they need patching or something :S
they don't seem to be working in emulators :|
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swimgod wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

swimgod wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

can someone just open up the nds and make it into separate demos then?

i can't promise the demo's will work but ill put them in a zip and host them :)

Edit:
here is the url,
http://swimgod.com/bounty/ds_demo.zip
FYI its 10mb, and includes the menu ;)

thx, im bout to try it out

your welcome :P,
i think they need patching or something :S
they don't seem to be working in emulators :|

demos never work in emulators...

but yea, these wont load.

I wouldn't know what to patch them with though

The 9th Sage wrote:

thundrestrike wrote:

quadomatic: that would be good then we can play it on gbamp!

vectorboy: which file do i use to put on my gba flashcarT?

Just get the one labeled as being 'raw'...that should be unpatched, you could extract the files from it if you wanted too.

they won't work with kain's nds.gba patcher! nooooooooo!
how can i get it on a flashcart?
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i patched it with wrg loadme and it convertd, im waiting for it to transfer to gba cart, ill let you know how it works.

btw its 90mbit :P
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^^
that was the RAW one, didn't work... bsod

time to try the other one
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so it turns out,
after two seconds of thinking...
the devloper of this app,
left the sign.bat file,
that puts the signiture to the file...
i wonder if the other parts could be left behind
that could help us greatly :P

remember,
nintendo probally thought this would never be captured :D
so just take the posibilities :D
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m3sd one didn't eveen patch.

no ds download station for us flashcard users :(
unless someone else finds a way
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swimgod wrote:

so it turns out,
after two seconds of thinking...
the devloper of this app,
left the sign.bat file,
that puts the signiture to the file...
i wonder if the other parts could be left behind
that could help us greatly :P

remember,
nintendo probally thought this would never be captured :D
so just take the posibilities :D

i think this is now a way to download flashme to others...? Perhaps it would apply RSA?

thundrestrike wrote:

^^
that was the RAW one, didn't work... bsod

time to try the other one

If you don't have an M3 SD, that one isn't going to work (maybe on an M3 CF, but definitely not with anything else).
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quadomatic wrote:

swimgod wrote:

so it turns out,
after two seconds of thinking...
the devloper of this app,
left the sign.bat file,
that puts the signiture to the file...
i wonder if the other parts could be left behind
that could help us greatly :P

remember,
nintendo probally thought this would never be captured :D
so just take the posibilities :D

i think this is now a way to download flashme to others...? Perhaps it would apply RSA?

i was gonna say that exactly,
but i didn't wanna give up noobs hopes,
so i made the message for more towards people that can test this theory :D ;)...

guess the cover on my idea is blown >.>'
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quadomatic wrote:

swimgod wrote:

so it turns out,
after two seconds of thinking...
the devloper of this app,
left the sign.bat file,
that puts the signiture to the file...
i wonder if the other parts could be left behind
that could help us greatly :P

remember,
nintendo probally thought this would never be captured :D
so just take the posibilities :D

i think this is now a way to download flashme to others...? Perhaps it would apply RSA?

For that batch you need the program called in the batch, 'attachsign'....although, someone might be able to do it manually as the
sgn file is there. Must be that has something to do with the RSA signing.

I learn new stuff every day. :) I wouldn't get too worked up yet though, I think I've seen this in the filesystems of other games as well (the SGN file), so if it was that easy someone would probably have done it by now.

*edit*
Or not...I just went poking around and can't find where I thought I saw this. I'm too tired to look anymore. :P I'm probably just missing the one game that has it or something.
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Last edited by The 9th Sage on Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:53 am; edited 3 times in total

well the server runs on SCSD but I don't hav another DS to test it!

RVK wrote:

well the server runs on SCSD but I don't hav another DS to test it!

well that sucks man :P,
hey do you mind getting a camera and taking some pictures of the server then :P

i wouldn't mind seeing some detailed server photos ;)
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when patching into ds.gba for RAW version:

Code:

NDS Patcher v0.1 by ]{ain
Checking if arm9 is compressed...No
Looking for CARDi_ReadRom signature...
Not found, aborting

when patching into ds.gba for M3SD version:

computer freezes for 7 minuters -.-

so unless no one else finds a way to get this onto a flashcard,
theres no hope :(
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does anyone think firefly could modify the files in the .nds into demos that run on GBAMP, like with brain age?

quadomatic wrote:

does anyone think firefly could modify the files in the .nds into demos that run on GBAMP, like with brain age?

Probably...from what I remember from the other thread, they are just compressed.
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Like I said, I captured this with the new M3Adapter Firmware (E18)

I have an M3 SD

So I did the RAW capture, copied that to my computer, zipped it and uploaded it.

I then took the RAW capture, used the m3 3.1.4 game manager, and did a NO TRIM 1x transfer, and it loads perfectly fine and sends demos, on my M3SD.

So yeah, It works for me, the raw version SHOULD be patchable to whatever you use, if not; then I'm at a loss, as it works fine for me.

That's why i zipped the m3 version too, so people could use a 'patched' verison if you have an m3 sd.

d

I can't get a good pic but,
Top screen I have
ds_demo_server.sr1 manual ch:01
_____________________________________
no. type. status
______________________________________
01none T:-1 Q:-1 M:-1 D:-1
02...
03...
etc.

Bottom screen has

download stats
___________________________________
file attempts succes
___________________________________
AGFEdemo
AMCEdemo
AMFEclip
AMTEdemo
ANDEdemo
APTEdemo
ATTEdemo
ATTEpush
demomenu
testcode
____________________________________

weird :P
can't wait to get my supercard CF
to try it out :D

HOPE IT WORKS with supercard CF,
im sure someone will find out soon :P
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It looks like the 'attachsign' program signs the file with this:

ds_demo_client.sgn wrote:

ac ????;????U?x(J?n?*????q??1??Wm???+?622???F?Q?8*?OV???!fs?u%??^?%Q?u?2)??T??o??T??TE??ZS Y6#&??qmhfu??0?wHpz?*Z????u???#NINTENDO NTRJ01

I don't suppose we can re-use the signature with homebrew? (of course, we would also have to write a new 'attachsign' program from scratch)

The 9th Sage wrote:

quadomatic wrote:

does anyone think firefly could modify the files in the .nds into demos that run on GBAMP, like with brain age?

Probably...from what I remember from the other thread, they are just compressed.

The first four bytes are 'lzon', does anyone know if that signals a particular compression program?

I uploaded a whole bunch of pics I just took of the server screen

it's at the same place you can download the nds files

http://www.tardwater.com/drevil/dsd/

i can get it to start on my EZF adnvance III but after it counts downs and shows the different frequencies it makes a pop sound and freeses

????? Tooooooo bad ????????????

I own a few DS's so I wish it would work right away.. but always theres a wait... Man I hate life ;(

J/K Great JOB
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yeah,
so far
it has ONLY worked on,

SUPERCARD SD,
of course it is highly likly it will work with supercard cf,
since it is same developers ;)
and same companies :P
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I made a M3 CF version of the rom (non trimmed again) just to test, it's in the same directory as linked above.

So those with SC CF or other CF devices, try that and see if it works

d

i kinda dont get why chrism wouldnt release the GBAMP hack if pretty much all the other adaptors work. it would only make the GBAMP sell better :)

plus, we probably wouldnt have this problem right now :(
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its a sad story i know :(
really sucks :P

we should make a partetion :P
Quick everyone sign :D
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The demos found on the cart are indeed compressed, which is why they can't be directly loaded with WiFiMe.

I'm assuming FireFly has written a decompressor for this LZ variant already, since he was able to decompress Brain Age. I was hoping this was LZ77, but it does not appear to be the case, as I just managed to crash two different programs to read it.

As soon as I saw the sign.bat, I investigated the signature.

As it turns out, that .sgn file is the exact RSA signature for the demo loader. I suspect that Nintendo's build tools automatically generate the correct signature, but doesn't attach it directly, but includes the .sgn file, and the .bat file to the same directory.

Sappharad wrote:

The demos found on the cart are indeed compressed, which is why they can't be directly loaded with WiFiMe.

I'm assuming FireFly has written a decompressor for this LZ variant already, since he was able to decompress Brain Age. I was hoping this was LZ77, but it does not appear to be the case, as I just managed to crash two different programs to read it.

This is true. Wait for Firefly to uncompress these, or release his decompressor.
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unrequited wrote:

Sappharad wrote:

The demos found on the cart are indeed compressed, which is why they can't be directly loaded with WiFiMe.

I'm assuming FireFly has written a decompressor for this LZ variant already, since he was able to decompress Brain Age. I was hoping this was LZ77, but it does not appear to be the case, as I just managed to crash two different programs to read it.

This is true. Wait for Firefly to uncompress these, or release his decompressor.

I wonder if you can just call one of the decompression functions in the BIOS on the data, i.e. swiDecompressLZSSWram?

EDIT: Looks like the data size might be at location 0xC
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I just tested the .NDS on a MagicKey 2, and it pauses at a black screen :(

Everyone seems to have missed the other possibility with this - compressing our own demos and injecting them into the server.
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PhoenixSoft wrote:

I just tested the .NDS on a MagicKey 2, and it pauses at a black screen :(

The same happpens on GBAmp :<
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I can run the demo station, however a non-flashed DS of mine can't execute the menu it sends. :(

chishm wrote:

Everyone seems to have missed the other possibility with this - compressing our own demos and injecting them into the server.

Yes, I was thinking about that, but first *cough*cough*somebodysgottamakeitloadongbamp*cough*cough*.
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could this be the key for wifime2 or not?

Nah, I doubt except somebody finds some exploit in there.
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chrishm, patch your rom loader to work with just these demo's
and maek it so other commercial roms wont work

please?
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swimgod wrote:

c:\NitroSDK\tools\bin\attachsign ds_demo_client.srl ds_demo_client.sgn ds_demo_client.srl

OMG, I would like to have that attachsign application ^^
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I tried running the ds_demo_client.srl in the raw,(on my mk3), and apparently it does what looks similarly to the ds download play function, but i dont know what does it download since i tried putting my other DS with sm64ds beside it, and no changes happened...

Extreme Coder wrote:

I tried running the ds_demo_client.srl in the raw,(on my mk3), and apparently it does what looks similarly to the ds download play function, but i dont know what does it download since i tried putting my other DS with sm64ds beside it, and no changes happened...

Yes, and renaming it to .nds then WMBing it works too. :|
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So, I gather that this cannot be used on a flashcart. Can it be made to work?
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dualscreenman wrote:

What about Gaim DS? Gaim pretty much has support for all IM programs.

tepples wrote:

"Goshdammit, the DS is not a Gaim-boy! It's a third pillar!"

dualscreenman wrote:

So, I gather that this cannot be used on a flashcart. Can it be made to work?

So far it's confirmed to work on Supercard SD, and there's the M3 patched version. It may or may not eventually work on flashcarts.
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Quote:

chrishm, patch your rom loader to work with just these demo's
and maek it so other commercial roms wont work

please?

The problem with specifically making commercial roms not work is that we need some way to figure them out without a pirate just fixing the roms with a hex editor. (At the very least, it has to be very difficult for them so that it looks like they did the dirty work and not chism).

Perhaps if someone figured out how to do that, chism would be more willing.
As it stands, though, this is chism's software and he can do what he wants with it.

Edit: I just quoted what I was responding to :)
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Mr. Picklesworth wrote:

As it stands, though, this is chism's software and he can do what he wants with it.

I repeat, it doesn't work on GBAmp "t3h very special h4x". It just outputs two black screens (exactly the same seems to happen on MagicKey, maybe if they figure out what's wrong, chishm can :) ).
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Vector Boy, the M3 CF version loads just fine.

Does anyone know what algorithm is used to compress the demos?

EDIT: Just noticed that they seem to be LZO compressed. Now, does anyone have a decompressor / file format specs (specific to the demo files, not general LZO stuff).
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I only found this. But I doubt it'll be much help.
But I'm sure FireFly can help!

In case it's LZO, I'll give it a shot and try to decompress the demos ;)
With the luck I have, I figured out the FW check :D

EDIT: Nah, can't do it, too stupid. Chishm, maybe you'll find this useful:
http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/lzodoc.php
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Does someone figure out something with "ds_demo_client.srl" ?

More interessant notice: I compressed a demo file with LZOP. Result: a file with the same size (about, there was a hundred bytes of difference due of LZOP header) ! It means that the compression is LZO ! (I think)

Last edited by thoduv on Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:57 pm; edited 1 time in total

I got it working for my SuperCard SD via Patching the RAW Data with the SuperCard software and I could download from 3 flashed DSs. I think I might reflash a DS to see if it still works.

It worked on an unflashed DS Firmware V2
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thoduv wrote:

Does someone figure out something with "ds_demo_client.srl" ?

More interessant notice: I compressed a demo file with LZOP. Result: a file with the same size (about, there was a hundred bytes of difference due of LZOP header) ! It means that the compression is LZO ! (I think)

LZO is for data compression I think at least german wikipedia says so!
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http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/

I believe that is it.
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I tried packing in the captured Brain Age demo it downloaded completely but it crashed showing a white screen and the Nintendo Logo so itd say the RSA check failed.....

i was so stupid just trying flashme with it too but it failed :-/

I think there are two test:

first test is after sending the rom this causes the DS to automatically shut down (the ds is still in the download software) then before starting the demo there is another test which i think is a test of the demo (i bet RSA) this causes DS to turn 2 white screens and show the nintendo logo

(i am just writing down what happens, this all could be crap i dont know i'm a complete noob on ds ...)

I tried my best but I'm just too noob to get anything to work so good luck other guys maybe somebody will be more successfull!! I hope so for everybody.

What I managed to get to work was:
(I extracted everything with ndstool)
in data/ds_demo/ you can rename the files switch around it will load them no problem you can put in other files it will transfer but not load them...so thats kind of how far i got...easiest file to exchange is ANDEdemo = Brain Training!
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Last edited by arlow on Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:07 pm; edited 2 times in total

anyone know if it works on a flashcart with NDS Patch or WRG patch?

if not, I'll try it right now and report back

Observation: When the captured Brain age demo is run directly from a flashcart, the Nintendo logo and white screen do not appear; when it is run when downloaded from the demo kiosk ROM, they do appear.

Could this be the point at which RSA checking is done?
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Flash cart users!!!!

I got it to work...can't test it (I only have one DS) but...

If you're using the EFA Linker (I have the 512MBit version) you can use the EFA Client version 2.81 to run it...choose to use the NDS loader (little check box near the bottom) and upload the raw dump to the cart.

Switch on and it loads...menu comes up and the green light flickers away...like I said I only have one DS so I can't test it...where's my sister when I need her :( heheh...

Have fun and let me know if this works completely for you guys...

OMG...I actually contributed :) maybe...

Kujo wrote:

Flash cart users!!!!

I got it to work...can't test it (I only have one DS) but...

If you're using the EFA Linker (I have the 512MBit version) you can use the EFA Client version 2.81 to run it...choose to use the NDS loader (little check box near the bottom) and upload the raw dump to the cart.

Switch on and it loads...menu comes up and the green light flickers away...like I said I only have one DS so I can't test it...where's my sister when I need her :( heheh...

Have fun and let me know if this works completely for you guys...

OMG...I actually contributed :) maybe...

i failed with my 128 flash2advance w/ flashme,

can you tell me how you did it?
what u patch with?
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OK...

Step By Step

1. Download the latest EFA software from www.efa.cc
2. Download the raw dump of the Download Station
3. Extracted It
4. Run the EFA client software
5. Clicked Search then Format Card
6. Checked the NDS Loader checkbox
7. Clicked The Add ROM button
8. Browsed to the Download Station File ( A7AE01.NDS ) and Clicked Open once I selected the file
9. Clicked Write ROM button to upload the file to the DS
10. Turned on my DS
11. Selected the DDS_VOL1_US option
12. Beheld the glory of it working

Simple as that...I just use the file as is...no patching...unless the EFA Client does something to it...

It may be worth pointing out that I use PassMe 1

ive got a problem, i dont have an efa!!!!!!!!!

i got a flash2advance, and maybe its cause im using flashme, and not passme?

i can't find my passme, but ill look for it
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No idea why it's not loading for you...could be either of those...have you tried loading the raw dump nds file using something like dark star or some other homebrew nds loader? Just a suggestion not tried it myself yet.

I'm off out now won't be back for 6 hours at least...good luck :)

ill try darkstar, ill report what hapends :D
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i downloaded darkstar, and i tried loading the nds file, but it didn't work

and you know how the multi-loader comes with a game? that doesn't even work, maybe its something wrong with the loader?

p.s.: it doesnt come with a readme -.-
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I patched it with the Supercard software and ran it on the SCSD, and it works just fine serving demos to my unflashed ds lite. The demos all seemed to work no problems.

Please stop going off-topic.

(I doubt there are many people who care about how to run it on all different kinds of flashcarts - I think it's way more interesting to get the (de-)compression done, etc.)

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filb:

excuse me, but im trying to find a way for everyone to boot the ds download station by a flashcart
>:(

not off-topic at all

EDIT: back on topic
when loading anything from darkstars loader, it just goes to a white screen... im using a flashed ds if that means anything
how can i fix this? if nothing loads, i dont think the ds-download-station will,
so untill i get something to work, ill try the station
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Last edited by thundrestrike on Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:51 pm; edited 1 time in total

sorry flib but last time im going off topic (which i kinda think isn't far off...)

has anyone confirmed it working on SuperCard CF?
this is what i would really like to know :P
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swimgod wrote:

sorry flib but last time im going off topic (which i kinda think isn't far off...)

has anyone confirmed it working on SuperCard CF?
this is what i would really like to know :P

I was able to run it using my Supercard CF, but I don't have another DS to test if the demos worked.

VectorBoy wrote:

I made a M3 CF version of the rom (non trimmed again) just to test, it's in the same directory as linked above.

So those with SC CF or other CF devices, try that and see if it works

d

there ya go, it was posted on page 4....

can someone answer my question now? :P
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vectorboy: is it possible to make a ds.gba version that works on flashcarts?(other than efa :P)
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I might go to the mall tomorrow and walk around gaming stores and see if anyone DLs from me.

LoadME gave me two black screens with F2A cart, and NDSPatcher wouldn't patch it.

compacho wrote:

I might go to the mall tomorrow and walk around gaming stores and see if anyone DLs from me.

lol ^^
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LoadME gave me two black screens with F2A cart, and NDSPatcher wouldn't patch it.

exact thing here.... sigh
i guess the only thing we can wait for, is for vectorboy to compile a ds.gba working one for the flashcard

please? :D
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All I'm doing when I make my revisions is running my raw file (that anyone can download now..) through the m3 game manager.. So, whoever wants to make a ds.gba, just run it (the raw dump) through whatever program makes them and it'll be the exact same file as if I were to do it.

Also, I don't know if this matters at all, as I see newer systems are downloading w/o flashed:

I brought my DS into work today again, and ran MY version of the download station - we have TWO launch ds' that are for our instore kiosk, obviously unflashed. They are I believe firmware ONE.

What I had them do was download the ds download station 'browser' (the one that was released independantly, that LOOKS for demos to download) -- then quickly shut off the ds download station, I then booted MINE (the one I captured) and was able to successfully serve demos to the two unflashed v1 ds'es.

The only catch was they had to have that loader from the original DSDownload Station, but the demos ran fine.

I then shut the two kiosk DS'es off, and tried serving the download browser via my ds, they locked up as all non flashed ds'es do when downloading from a rom, at the nintendo logo.

d

VectorBoy wrote:

All I'm doing when I make my revisions is running my raw file (that anyone can download now..) through the m3 game manager.. So, whoever wants to make a ds.gba, just run it (the raw dump) through whatever program makes them and it'll be the exact same file as if I were to do it.

Also, I don't know if this matters at all, as I see newer systems are downloading w/o flashed:

I brought my DS into work today again, and ran MY version of the download station - we have TWO launch ds' that are for our instore kiosk, obviously unflashed. They are I believe firmware ONE.

What I had them do was download the ds download station 'browser' (the one that was released independantly, that LOOKS for demos to download) -- then quickly shut off the ds download station, I then booted MINE (the one I captured) and was able to successfully serve demos to the two unflashed v1 ds'es.

The only catch was they had to have that loader from the original DSDownload Station, but the demos ran fine.

I then shut the two kiosk DS'es off, and tried serving the download browser via my ds, they locked up as all non flashed ds'es do when downloading from a rom, at the nintendo logo.

d

Now THAT is interesting...I guess that means the compressed demos are exempt from that problem. I'd think then other signed demos could possibly be inserted (after being compressed) and be downloaded normally...hm...actually, if the SRL demo kiosk downloader in the ROM is being affected by the lack of a secure area in the ROM, and we know the NDS version of it released is properly signed, what happens if you insert the NDS in place of the SRL in the ROM? The file format should be interchangable at least.

Man I really wish I had access to a second DS right now so I could test this.
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VectorBoy wrote:

All I'm doing when I make my revisions is running my raw file (that anyone can download now..) through the m3 game manager.. So, whoever wants to make a ds.gba, just run it (the raw dump) through whatever program makes them and it'll be the exact same file as if I were to do it.

Yeah, but earlier, i put it through the nds patcher, but it wont patch, this is what it says

Code:

NDS Patcher v0.1 by ]{ain
Checking if arm9 is compressed...No
Looking for CARDi_ReadRom signature...
Not found, aborting

Compared to a succesful patch (I wont mention the ds rom name)

Code:

NDS Patcher v0.1 by ]{ain
Checking if arm9 is compressed...Yes, decompressing...Done
Reindexing NDS...Done
Looking for CARDi_ReadRom signature...
Found at offset 0x000a4590
Patched
Looking for CARDi_ReadCard signature...
Found at offset 0x000a465c
Patched
Looking for CARDi_ProgramBackupSyncCore signature...
Found at offset 0x000a4284
Looking for CARDi_ProgramAndVerifyBackupSyncCore signature...
Not found, skipping
Looking for CARDi_ReadBackupSyncCore signature...
Found at offset 0x000a4340
Looking for CARDi_VerifyBackupSyncCore signature...
Not found, skipping
Looking for CARDi_WriteBackupSyncCore signature...
Not found, skipping
Looking for CARDi_WriteAndVerifyBackupSyncCore signature...
Not found, skipping
Writing patched NDS...All done

Anyway around this, besides WRG LoadME (2 black screens)?
I really want to use it with flashcart :D
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thundrestrike wrote:

Code:

NDS Patcher v0.1 by ]{ain
Checking if arm9 is compressed...No
Looking for CARDi_ReadRom signature...
Not found, aborting

It likely uses newer card reading routines (the ones it's trying to change so the NDS runs this from the GBA slot rather than the NDS card) that NDS Patcher doesn't recognize.
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is there any other patcher?

so far i tested:
WRG LoadME- Black Screens, but converts correctly
NDS Patcher by ){ain- doesn't patch, (see above)
DSLazy - same as NDS Patcher by ){ain
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thundrestrike wrote:

is there any other patcher?

I don't really know of one that's generic like those, sorry.
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is there any other nds file loader, like Darkstar's?

it, also, doesn't work :S

EDIT: I'll try earlier versions, just to make sure
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thundrestrike wrote:

is there any other nds file loader, like Darkstar's?

it, also, doesn't work :S

EDIT: I'll try earlier versions, just to make sure

Darkstar and other loaders like that are never going to work because they're meant to work with a WMB compatible NDS file. They fit entirely into RAM...any dumps of NDS cards like this one are not going to fit entirely in RAM and are not meant to be run in that way. :)
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oh....
if thats the case, is there a one that works with WMB?

EDIT:
do you think there even IS a way to work on flashcart? or am i wasting time?
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what has a better chance, as i have both :D

GBAMP
Flashcard
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thundrestrike wrote:

oh....
if thats the case, is there a one that works with WMB?

No...it's a dump of an NDS card. Like I said, the aren't meant to be run via the WMB wireless download function of the DS. O_O

thunderstrike wrote:

do you think there even IS a way to work on flashcart? or am i wasting time?

I'm sure it could work, just not with the software you are using, from what you're saying (since you've tried them and they haven't worked :P).
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well, ive narrowed down the list...

its someone elses turn to try :O

im gonna sleep its 10:35 pm here, goodnight, ill check back in the morning

P.S. i hope someone finds a way :D
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Patching the RAW file with the Supercard software, I can run the Download Station from my SC CF and unflashed DSes can download the loader from me, and then any of the demos.

I will be at Mr. T's Bowl in Los Angeles tonight with my new portable download station :)

The band 8-bit will be playing tonight!
http://www.myspace.com/8bit

thundrestrike wrote:

what has a better chance, as i have both :D

GBAMP
Flashcard

....
none of the above...
if your having that many problems getting it to run on flashcard,
its not gonna...

and as for GBAMP,
zero chance...
it is a rom,
its like tring to run a real full game on gbamp,
it doesn't allow it,
only chrism can run that kind of stuff with his gbamp...

sorry man,
like me you have to wait for your supercard to come :P
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firefly knows that it's been capped and I'm sure he'll decompress it or release his decompressor tool sometime in the future, just be patient.
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unrequited wrote:

firefly knows that it's been capped and I'm sure he'll decompress it or release his decompressor tool sometime in the future, just be patient.

k,
thanks for the update :P,

suggest to him it would be a lot better to release his tool :P,
and im just wondering,
why doesn't he post stuff like this :P...
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VectorBoy wrote:

All I'm doing when I make my revisions is running my raw file (that anyone can download now..) through the m3 game manager.. So, whoever wants to make a ds.gba, just run it (the raw dump) through whatever program makes them and it'll be the exact same file as if I were to do it.

Also, I don't know if this matters at all, as I see newer systems are downloading w/o flashed:

I brought my DS into work today again, and ran MY version of the download station - we have TWO launch ds' that are for our instore kiosk, obviously unflashed. They are I believe firmware ONE.

What I had them do was download the ds download station 'browser' (the one that was released independantly, that LOOKS for demos to download) -- then quickly shut off the ds download station, I then booted MINE (the one I captured) and was able to successfully serve demos to the two unflashed v1 ds'es.

The only catch was they had to have that loader from the original DSDownload Station, but the demos ran fine.

I then shut the two kiosk DS'es off, and tried serving the download browser via my ds, they locked up as all non flashed ds'es do when downloading from a rom, at the nintendo logo.

d

Very interesting indeed. I don't suppose you tried sending any homebrew programs once they'd downloaded the original browser?

Ooh, that'd be interesting.

Gimmie a link to a homebrew that runs via the ds download play and i'll give it a shot with my girlfriends ds tonight.

I booted the DS download demoloader onto my ds, and then tried sending the brain age demo from the full vers of brain age from my gf's ds, to see if a DEMO would boot from a game, via the download station.

Nothing shows up in the loader other than 'looking for software' etc.

So it seems the download station is looking for a specific protocol/server (eg. the stuff i dumped the other day).

Just a useless but interesting test, just to see if the ds download 'loader' was just a glorified version of the ds download play... but it's not.. lol

d

I would be cool if we can compress hombrew stuff or other Nintendo demos like Electroplankton and pack them with the Download Station rom.

unrequited wrote:

firefly knows that it's been capped and I'm sure he'll decompress it or release his decompressor tool sometime in the future, just be patient.

He won't, believe me. He says this Download Station is piracy, so he won't do it :(
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MaHe wrote:

unrequited wrote:

firefly knows that it's been capped and I'm sure he'll decompress it or release his decompressor tool sometime in the future, just be patient.

He won't, believe me. He says this Download Station is piracy, so he won't do it :(

And he is right too. Just because the card contains only demos it doesn't mean it's public domain. The code is all copyright of Nintendo.

VectorBoy:
I suggest you don't associate that nick with your real life name in any way, if you want to stay in the games industry.
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VectorBoy wrote:

I booted the DS download demoloader onto my ds, and then tried sending the brain age demo from the full vers of brain age from my gf's ds, to see if a DEMO would boot from a game, via the download station.

Nothing shows up in the loader other than 'looking for software' etc.

So it seems the download station is looking for a specific protocol/server (eg. the stuff i dumped the other day).

Just a useless but interesting test, just to see if the ds download 'loader' was just a glorified version of the ds download play... but it's not.. lol

d

Yeah, I tried sending the Polarium demo through WMB and the loader didn't find it. So it's not just an alternate Download Play interface.

Oh, and to those asking for a version that can run through WMB: The ROM is 16MB. The DS has 4MB of memory. Not gonna happen!

BTW, I noticed some interesting text strings in the ARM9 binary:
"Please connect power adapter" - now how would it know if the adapter is connected? Or does it just show this when the battery is low?
"AVPT" - a few instances of this appear, always aligned to a 4-byte boundary. The first time I found something like this - "MIO0" in an N64 game - it turned out to be a compression format. The second time - "TKMK" - it also turned out to be a compression format. This is the third time. Anyone want to guess what it is? ;-)
4E 49 4E 54 04 00 00 08 45 4E 44 4F 10 40 2D E9 - in ASCII, this is "NINT....ENDO....". "NINT....EN DOi" also appears in ds_demo_client.srl. In fact this file seems to contain a lot of garbled text. (Compressed maybe?)

Also the text "sgn" doesn't appear in either binary, which suggests that it doesn't read that .sgn file at all.

Ok, I figured out the compression format used on the demos in the "/ds_demo" directory in the card dump.

They are simply LZO compressed files, with a 16 byte header:

Code:

Offset Size Contents
0x00 0x04 'LZOn'
0x04 0x04 0x00 0x2F 0xF1 0x71
0x08 0x04 Size of decompressed data, big endian format
0x0C 0x04 Size of compressed data without the header, big endian format
0x10 in_len LZO compressed .srl (NDS) file

I have written a decompressor, and just need to clean it up a bit.
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Wow, good work, chishm. Are you going to create a compressor as well?

You rock, Chishm.

Ok, decompressor done.
Get it here.
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EDIT: "The application couldn't run because her configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling it may solve the problem." - wtf?
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Neither the demomenu nor the brainage demo worked for me.....
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Brainage (ANDE) worked fine for me.

I just added a loader to run it on my SCSD.

demomenu won't do anything.

I can't run any of the Tetris demos ... They just turn off the both screens with a crack through the speakers ... ?
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MaHe wrote:

demomenu won't do anything.

I can't run any of the Tetris demos ... They just turn off the both screens with a crack through the speakers ... ?

Hmm, that's not the decompressors fault, since I can run them via WMB from my PC. It is probably related to the menu not running on GBAMP.
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chishm wrote:

MaHe wrote:

demomenu won't do anything.

I can't run any of the Tetris demos ... They just turn off the both screens with a crack through the speakers ... ?

Hmm, that's not the decompressors fault, since I can run them via WMB from my PC. It is probably related to the menu not running on GBAMP.

Hmm, okay, I'll have to WMB them then. No harm done. :)
Oh, and thanks.
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how do i get compresed ds download station demo's?

i tried dragging the raw file on it but it does nothing...
i guess im a nooby, can someone explain how to use chishm's thingy?
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Just download http://swimgod.com/bounty/ds_demo.zip and drag and drop them on the DS_Demo_Decompress.exe and you will get the NDS file and you can use WMB to upload it to your DS

Thnx chishm de demo's work! :) it's really neat..

1. Download DSLazy and extract it somewhere (I prefer desktop).
2. Download the decompressor.
3. Open the DS Download Station dump with DSLazy in click "nds unpack". In the folder you put DSLazy to, a new folder called "NDS_UNPACK" will appear.
4. In that folder navigate to \data\ds_demo\. Here are the LZO compressed demo files (demomenu & testcode aren't but others are).
5. Drag & drop the files on the DS_Demo_Decompress.exe and here you go - it will output .nds files!
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ty mahe!
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can i put all these demo's onto darkstar and run from a flashcart?

please reply
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chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

P.S.-
I must be doing something wrong, cause nothing boots out of darkstar's loader, not even a simple homebrew app, why does this not work?
explain please
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what a glorious day! i found my gba movie player, and im about to play the demo's on it!

dont bother helping with darkstar! :D :D
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Could someone put al the decompressed demo's in a .zip and upload them somewhere? I cant get the decompressor to work.

Edit; i get the same error MaHe was having:

"The application couldn't run because her configuration is incorrect. Reinstalling it may solve the problem."

Someone uploaded them here.

Anyone know the exact algorithm used? Im trying to write a compressor, so far LZO1X-999 seemed the closest the size was ~4 bytes off but when comparing many bytes where different.
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Filb wrote:

Someone uploaded them here.

Thanks for the link I have started testing them by wmb'ing them to my unflashed v1 ds and they seem to be working I have only transfered 4 so far. But they might have just made a sale as I had more fun then I thought with both tetris demos. Now I may buy it after a little more research. Which I would of never gave it a second thought without trying it first.

all the demo's work on gbamp BUT mariokart.... anyone else have this problem?
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thundrestrike wrote:

all the demo's work on gbamp BUT mariokart.... anyone else have this problem?

Funny, MK:DS works fine for me - Tetris doesn't. What version & loader are you using?

Mine:

2.11 FW hack & MoonShell ... :s
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All of the demos work for me, except Tetris and Mario Kart. Which is annoying since Tetris is the only one I really wanted to try :)

Flashed DS + GBAMP + Moonshell.

Maybe your media is too slow?
I didn't try any of the demos yet, though.

im using mighty max bootloader, flashme, v1 firmware

i waish mariokart worked, ill try redecompressing it i guess

roc- if you want to play tetris, i suggest u use mighty max thats what i use and tetris works
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Last edited by thundrestrike on Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:05 pm; edited 2 times in total

Just finished testing and every one works fine. All demos sent to unflashed v1 ds from wmb under Linux using masscat's program

thundrestrike wrote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Doesn't mean there isn't some form of vulnerability that we can exploit somehow, in the decompression code itself. If we could find some form of overrun exploit, we could hijack control of whatever processor is running the decompressor, and maybe hijack control of both processors from that point on.

caitsith2 wrote:

thundrestrike wrote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Doesn't mean there isn't some form of vulnerability that we can exploit somehow, in the decompression code itself. If we could find some form of overrun exploit, we could hijack control of whatever processor is running the decompressor, and maybe hijack control of both processors from that point on.

it was just an idea :P
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Filb wrote:

Maybe your media is too slow?
I didn't try any of the demos yet, though.

how do i make it go faster then?
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Diffuse wrote:

Anyone know the exact algorithm used? Im trying to write a compressor, so far LZO1X-999 seemed the closest the size was ~4 bytes off but when comparing many bytes where different.

The source code of the decompressor should also contain what algorithm it uses to decompress. The source code is packaged along with the decompressor download itself, so I suggest you check that out.

does anyone have an idea when vol.2 comes out?
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since i dont care for tetris, im gonna try moonshell for mariokart :P
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Dark Knight ez wrote:

Diffuse wrote:

Anyone know the exact algorithm used? Im trying to write a compressor, so far LZO1X-999 seemed the closest the size was ~4 bytes off but when comparing many bytes where different.

The source code of the decompressor should also contain what algorithm it uses to decompress. The source code is packaged along with the decompressor download itself, so I suggest you check that out.

Well, it's definitely using one of the LZ01X algorithms. And the only one that comes as close to the original file size is the LZ01X-999 algorithm... I'll wait and see what Chism comes up with.
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just me again, I got the raw dump to work using my flash cart and the supplied efa nds loader...but I just realised something, the loader doesn't run anyhomebrew I have here...it looks to me that it can only load raw dumps. I'm not gonna download some pirated games to test out the theory further though.

conclusion: efa nds loader = dodgy :o

mariokart just wont work, sigh
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What version of the GBAmp firmware do you use? 2.04 or 2.11?!
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if this is what you mean...
http://www.movieadvance.com/Download.htm
i use update E19

if this is what you mean...
http://chishm.drunkencoders.com/NDSMP/index.html
i dont remember which one i installed.
is there a way to check?
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No. Just install 2.11, that'll do.
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Thank You chishm :D,
the demo's worked perfectly(excluding mariokart :(?)
in emulators now :D...

now all we need is a working server for gbamp ;)
maybe we can talk more about that aspect on PIRACY-DOT-COM?

well,
i hope we can :P
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Last edited by swimgod on Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:39 pm; edited 3 times in total

Goddamn it's

CHISHM

not chrism
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whoops :P,
im really sorry for that :P

ill edit my posts to the right name :P

sorry CHISHM :S
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It's short for Chisholm, his surname. I have been quietly editing (some) posts to fix the name.
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Everything working except Mario Kart, Tetris demos and the menu with GBAMP. Finally a localized Meteos demo! Now I can read the 7 words or so in German ^^

btw: lol tepples ^^
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tetris works for me
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Quote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Cant we edit the download manager to remove the RSA check. It would then load on a flashme'd DS and we could send compressed demos to it(If firefly updates WMB to send the demos compressed)
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Maverick wrote:

Quote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Cant we edit the download manager to remove the RSA check. It would then load on a flashme'd DS and we could send compressed demos to it(If firefly updates WMB to send the demos compressed)

that would be cool, i mean, we DO have the files in our hands...
but of course, dont trust me, im a nooby.
can some smart guy answer his (ours actually) question?
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thundrestrike wrote:

Maverick wrote:

Quote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Cant we edit the download manager to remove the RSA check. It would then load on a flashme'd DS and we could send compressed demos to it(If firefly updates WMB to send the demos compressed)

that would be cool, i mean, we DO have the files in our hands...
but of course, dont trust me, im a nooby.
can some smart guy answer his (ours actually) question?

im half way smart :P,
and since we Don't have the source No...

we have the .nds not the source files...
sure we can extract the demos but we can't get the source code...
the demos are not combined with demomenu...
which is why i was able to retrive the demos from the .nds...

but the steps it takes to check the demo and send it...
ARE in the demomenu...

sorry :P

{of course i could be corrected... but not only does it make sense, its very logical :P}
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swimgod wrote:

thundrestrike wrote:

Maverick wrote:

Quote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Cant we edit the download manager to remove the RSA check. It would then load on a flashme'd DS and we could send compressed demos to it(If firefly updates WMB to send the demos compressed)

that would be cool, i mean, we DO have the files in our hands...
but of course, dont trust me, im a nooby.
can some smart guy answer his (ours actually) question?

im half way smart :P,
and since we Don't have the source No...

we have the .nds not the source files...
sure we can extract the demos but we can't get the source code...
the demos are not combined with demomenu...
which is why i was able to retrive the demos from the .nds...

but the steps it takes to check the demo and send it...
ARE in the demomenu...

sorry :P

{of course i could be corrected... but not only does it make sense, its very logical :P}

maybe a REALLY smart guy can hex-edit it... but once again, i don't know if you can or not, cause.. im a nooby.
Can somone confirm this to be done?
Can someone actualy do it?

P.S. I like quoting
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The RSA check was removed from the DS' firmware with FlashMe, so I don't see why not.

EDIT: Actually, that would break the signature, so the loader wouldn't be able to be sent to unflashed DS systems anyway.

Maverick wrote:

Cant we edit the download manager

Then the download manager itself would fail the DS's own RSA check.
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tepples wrote:

Maverick wrote:

Cant we edit the download manager

Then the download manager itself would fail the DS's own RSA check.

but i thought that flashme cancels the DS's RSA check
well... thats what that other person said

EDIT:
oh... we're trying to send stuff to NON-flashed DS's...
so if theres a way to edit the loader without changing the RSA check?

EDIT2:
if my post makes no sense at all, remember, im a nooby and probly dont know what im talking about :P
if it makes sense, then im making progress at least :O
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thundrestrike wrote:

oh... we're trying to send stuff to NON-flashed DS's...
so if theres a way to edit the loader without changing the RSA check?

Not in your lifetime, unless there's a buffer overflow in the RSA check.
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tepples wrote:

thundrestrike wrote:

oh... we're trying to send stuff to NON-flashed DS's...
so if theres a way to edit the loader without changing the RSA check?

Not in your lifetime, unless there's a buffer overflow in the RSA check.

mm'kay, you lost me there, just let me know if you ever find a "buffer overflow"
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thundrestrike wrote:

tepples wrote:

thundrestrike wrote:

oh... we're trying to send stuff to NON-flashed DS's...
so if theres a way to edit the loader without changing the RSA check?

Not in your lifetime, unless there's a buffer overflow in the RSA check.

mm'kay, you lost me there, just let me know if you ever find a "buffer overflow"

let me simplify tepples words :P,
buffer overflow,
basicly means (in this case)
if the ds can't create a rsa signiture because the filesize is to BIG,
for it to handle...,

if this happens,
it May cause it to forget about the rsa signiture and just run the code...
which would be a VERY good thing :D
(IE OverflowME)

(of course it could always just not run the code..., but i don't think nintendo would make it do that :P...)

(P.S., tepples you should add that to your posible homebrew running list :D)

-Woot i came out with a cool name :D-
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so, swimgod, what your saying, is if we made the loader extremly big filesize it wont do a RSA check? :O?
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thundrestrike wrote:

so, swimgod, what your saying, is if we made the loader extremly big filesize it wont do a RSA check? :O?

i wouldn't bet on it...
but it could be a posibility :P.

hey now that i think of it :P,
what if tried making a commerical game save file bigger then it can be?...

i know somewhere someone said this is normaly not gonna cause an overflow...
but what if we replace the save chip?...
what im saying is make a overflowme game lol...
build a game...,
with a save chip bigger then the game will allow
would it go back to shell and allow unsigned code execution?...

if this is really stupid someone say so and ill delete it from the post :P
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Tried LoadMe to attempt to get the server to run off of my flash card, but it freezes up at the "Press A to start" screen (this one). With NDSPatcher, I get two black screens.

Both patches were applied to the raw dump.

I can confirm that "Mario Kart" won't work with GBAMP(with latest chism-hack) on flashme'd DSes.
All other demo's do work though.
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I probably won't write a recompressor. The demos were broadcast out in the open, so it is kind of okay to have them (like video recorders & TV). However, the ROM was dumped illegally, so we have no right to use it. I know what I said before, but that was before I thought about it (got caught up in the excitement).
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zubiac wrote:

I can confirm that "Mario Kart" won't work with GBAMP(with latest chism-hack) on flashme'd DSes.
All other demo's do work though.
strange

I was able to get Mario Kart to run on my flash card. It's fun playing as Mario against a wave of Shyguys :D

Chishm, you're awesome. Your work will always be appreciated. Same for you, VectorBoy, and everyone else who assisted in getting these demos.

zubiac wrote:

I can confirm that "Mario Kart" won't work with GBAMP(with latest chism-hack) on flashme'd DSes.
All other demo's do work though.
strange

Strange, it works very well for me. What loader are you using?
(and no, Tetris DS doesn't work here :( )
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Well, i have a GBAMP (2.04 hack I think) and Tetris makes the speakers pop (turning them off) and black screens and Mario Kart just gives two white screens.

MaHe wrote:

zubiac wrote:

I can confirm that "Mario Kart" won't work with GBAMP(with latest chism-hack) on flashme'd DSes.
All other demo's do work though.
strange

Strange, it works very well for me. What loader are you using?
(and no, Tetris DS doesn't work here :( )

tried it with mighty max booter and moonshell...no luck.
I use sandisc 256MB.Maybe it's too slow(which I don't think)
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It seems Mariokart demo contain debug informations from Nintendo code ! :D

Maverick wrote:

Quote:

chishm i got an idea, what if you made the opposite of this: a nds COMPRESSER! then it makes a file out of a homebrew application, that you put into the ds demo directory, then you pack it back up, and send homebrew!

Won't happen. This loader checks that the demos are signed with Nintendo's Private key, something we don't have.

Cant we edit the download manager to remove the RSA check. It would then load on a flashme'd DS and we could send compressed demos to it(If firefly updates WMB to send the demos compressed)

swimgod: we dont need the source, you only need to edit the execution jumps to skip the RSA check

also i didnt mean to send to a non flsahed DS, as i said in my post
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MaHe wrote:

zubiac wrote:

I can confirm that "Mario Kart" won't work with GBAMP(with latest chism-hack) on flashme'd DSes.
All other demo's do work though.
strange

Strange, it works very well for me. What loader are you using?
(and no, Tetris DS doesn't work here :( )

hmmm, Tetris works for me, but Mario Kart DS doesn't...I'm using FlashMe V7 and 2.11 of chism's hack

Not sure what version I am using but only

Golf (excelent),
Metrois,
Pokemon Trioz,
and Brain Training works.

I'll update and try again ;)

JaJa wrote:

Well, i have a GBAMP (2.04 hack I think) and Tetris makes the speakers pop (turning them off) and black screens and Mario Kart just gives two white screens.

Same thing for me, I'm with NDS MP v2.11
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Every demo works fine through WMB though.. :)

i never used WMB before...

can someone give me a link?

and if i can connect to wi-fi witth my router, its probably supported with WMB, right?
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chishm wrote:

I probably won't write a recompressor. The demos were broadcast out in the open, so it is kind of okay to have them (like video recorders & TV). However, the ROM was dumped illegally, so we have no right to use it. I know what I said before, but that was before I thought about it (got caught up in the excitement).

aww,
damn.

chishm, i wonder if the server is hackable,
if it is then i would solve a lot of problems :P...
..............
i guess if your sure you don't wanna run the app on gbamp,
then ill leave you alone about it...
But we could all use that :P
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thundrestrike wrote:

i never used WMB before...

can someone give me a link?

and if i can connect to wi-fi witth my router, its probably supported with WMB, right?

Nope, you have to use a wifi card (no router!) with a ralink chip. WMB uses a special protocol, nintendo wifi (games like mario cart) tcp/ip. you can't teach your router that nintendo protocol needed for WMB.

ok,
im gonna make it easy for everyone to play with the demos with out having to send it through any apps :P,
here is the zip i made with the title of the games instead of the game codes :)

http://swimgod.com/bounty/download_station_vol1.zip-{9.7mb}

have fun :P,
(i know that someone else did the same thing,
but i did this because this is on my server not a free server online...
and i put the game title not code as i said before :P)
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Hm, random idea here... Isn't there like potentially 64 bytes unused in the browser's header (if we were to remove the logo and description, if you can even do that without affecting the signature)? That's probably enough for a Wifime-like hack that would just patch a byte or two and then jump to the real entry point, and one patched byte (or 2 or 4, it all takes the same amount of code) would probably be enough to kill the RSA check. It still wouldn't work on FW4+, but it's something.

Swimgod, replacing the save chip won't do any good, but it's always possible that some game won't check the size of some data being read from its save file, which could cause a buffer overflow. BTW, Wikipedia probably has info describing just what a buffer overflow is (it's not just a convenient "oh that file's really big I'm not going to bother checking its signature" bug). I'd link to it but the site seems to be down. O_o

Hi, there is a small problem with the decoder and some demos (wmb method): with tetris push, true swing and brain age, the decoder does not add (find?) icons and names. Wouldn't it be better to capture those demos by the "old way"? I mean, with two ds and a comp to capture packets transmitted (very expensive method though)? perhaps it would be more identical to the original?

[edit] And what about using the download station in association with wmb? That would be a "download station at home" with the possibility of downloading several demos at the same time, this could be useful for someone organizing "DS parties" with friends who are too excited for waiting in line :)

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