#80246 - adrian783 - Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:44 pm
same deal, saw it on chinese forums,
how is this possible...at all?
i'll post related information later
#80247 - MaHe - Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:48 pm
First post it. Because it's NOT possible.
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#80248 - adrian783 - Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:57 pm
http://home.pchome.com.tw/tv/muauto/IMG_0009.AVI
thats one example, weird thing is that i cant see his bottom screen changing brightness, but i think its just the crappy viewing angle.
also notice that the brightness cannot be turned off if flashed in a normal DS, while it has levels of brightness. it is said while the one in the video have adjustable lighting, not all version of DS can realize this function. i have only seen 2 or 3 cases of success. others include no effect and/or the ability to turn off the light is comepletely disabled. but when flashed back to v6, the off/on function works again.
fake is unlikely, this guy has this video on his yahoo taiwan's auction marketplace. and he has a garuntee =/
#80256 - josath - Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:21 pm
newest moonshell has code to change the brightness of a ds lite, doesn't it?
try running that code on a regular ds and see what happens.
#80274 - shaz - Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:17 pm
Now thats just what I wanted. I can't see the video just yet.
I'll flast my other DS and tell you what happens.
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#80275 - lambi1982 - Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:40 pm
Video looks fake to me, sound + brightness change are not in sync first and second time.
I don't mean with the video , I mean during the first pass and the second pass timing is different both times ( or he modded a Lite to his old DS case
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#80276 - PhoenixSoft - Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:50 pm
FlashMe makes the brightness fade in on a normal DS, I don't see what's so unbelievable about this.
#80279 - El Hobito - Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:00 am
| PhoenixSoft wrote: |
| FlashMe makes the brightness fade in on a normal DS, I don't see what's so unbelievable about this. |
i think you'll find it fades the background in not the light
#80281 - tepples - Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:17 am
Actually, FlashMe does fade in the light using pulse-width modulation (rapid on-off switching), but that works only for fades, not for constant setting.
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#80283 - adrian783 - Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:20 am
doesnt seem to work on most DS, as i have said. the oldest ones are almost garutee to not work
#80291 - quadomatic - Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:01 am
im confused. What DS above in the video is doing that? Can my originally V3 DS flashed to FlashMe V7 do that?
#80301 - adrian783 - Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:47 am
chances are slim, almost no one's has worked yet. ionno how the guy did it
#80302 - adrian783 - Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:49 am
chances are slim, almost no one's has worked yet. ionno how the guy did it
#80304 - lambi1982 - Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:52 am
DS Lite + DS case = Old DS that has brightness adjustment ;)
i personally would like to see a video that has the power light. so we can see if it is on. Funny how he cut that part out. DS lite power light in different spot, just think its funny.
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#80306 - knight0fdragon - Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:33 am
the video above is a ds lite not a ds?? so im confused at where the old ds is doing this
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#80307 - PhoenixSoft - Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:42 am
#80312 - knight0fdragon - Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:27 am
ah i see, well v7 does not work on my v1 that way, wasnt expecting it to anyway
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#80313 - HyperHacker - Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:28 am
Yeah, the sound is out of sync. Probably just a video playing on the DS. :-p
#80323 - omaremad - Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:22 pm
well variable brightness is found in viewtiful joe ds
-bright
-medium
-off
so it is possible, i hope its not through rapidflashing as commercially that may cause epilepsy lawsuits
#80325 - shaz - Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:30 pm
I've just flashed my DS with FlashMe Lite V7.
Sadly it didnt work.
I could'nt even turn off the back light.
The funny thing is, it turned the brightness button into a volume control button lol
If I pressed it once, it would decrease the volume and save it. Pressing it would also make a click sound.
After you did that twice or 3 times (can't remember), the sound will be muted. Pressing it again will put the volume to normal.
[Edit]
Forgot to mention that the screen was twitching slightly too. So I flashed back to FlashMe V7
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#80327 - shaz - Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:10 pm
I've just flashed it again on my very old DS and it doesnt even boot.
Firstly it will show a white screen for 1 1/2 second and then turn off. But flashme was working correctly.
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#80328 - swimgod - Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:20 pm
ok so can someone make a list of which old nintendo ds's have so far not worked with the brightness changer...
im gonna try to see if it works on my old ds (org. v4, blue)
if any that should work :P
i hope...
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#80329 - Ilomoga - Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:38 pm
| omaremad wrote: |
well variable brightness is found in viewtiful joe ds
-bright
-medium
-off
so it is possible, i hope its not through rapidflashing as commercially that may cause epilepsy lawsuits |
Isn't this variable "brightness" in VJ the color which is displayed on the screen (if you choose medium it is darker than in bright). At least I didn't see any difference when I switched between bright and medium and looking from the side (when you only see the white light and nothing the displays shows)
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#80330 - shaz - Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:40 pm
Im getting a batch of Nintendo DS's, I'll try it on everyone of them.
(Around 5 Nintendo DS's)
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#80361 - adrian783 - Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:57 pm
#80363 - HtheB - Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:00 pm
so... will there be a some sorth of flashme so that everybody can make use of it? :D
#80368 - moofree - Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:22 pm
How about... liteme :)
| HtheB wrote: |
| so... will there be a some sorth of flashme so that everybody can make use of it? :D |
#80390 - shaz - Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:49 pm
| moofree wrote: |
How about... liteme :)
| HtheB wrote: | | so... will there be a some sorth of flashme so that everybody can make use of it? :D |
|
Im lovin that name
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#80396 - HtheB - Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:13 pm
yeah.. LiteMe (sounds like "Light"Me too :P)
#80411 - fartz - Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:04 am
Seeing how flashme V7 is programed to reconize what ds your using it probley will never work with flashme V7. Try using flashme_lite beta on the origanle ds its avaible on Fourms for download. That version of flashme isent programed to reconize what ds your using im pretty sure. I bet if you flash the origanle ds with Flashme_lite beta it will owrk with all 4 brightness leaveals.
try this :flash the regular ds with Flashme_lite and post the results about the brightness setting working or not
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#80412 - shaz - Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:09 am
| fartz wrote: |
Seeing how flashme V7 is programed to reconize what ds your using it probley will never work with flashme V7. Try using flashme_lite beta on the origanle ds its avaible on Fourms for download. That version of flashme isent programed to reconize what ds your using im pretty sure. I bet if you flash the origanle ds with Flashme_lite beta it will owrk with all 4 brightness leaveals.
try this :flash the regular ds with Flashme_lite and post the results about the brightness setting working or not |
I have already tryed the beta. Detailed results are posted by me on this thread.
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#80447 - fartz - Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:23 am
kk
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#80453 - shaz - Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:15 am
I've just recieved another Nintendo DS. 5 more Nintendo DS's are coming so all together i'll have 8 Nintendo DS's in different colours, old and new :)
Im just checking if it needs a PassMe2 because sadly I only have 4 Normal PassMe's...
I have a ralink card with wifime support but I heard flashing flashme onto the ds won't work. Is there any other possible way I could boot the flashme program into ds mode without using PassMe2??
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#80463 - tepples - Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:16 pm
Apart from PassMe2, the only other known way to boot homebrew code on a new firmware DS is ppflash.
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#80471 - falcon!!! - Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:21 pm
my ds is V1. I installed Firmware 7 for DSLite and nothing happens. I mean, it is now version 7. No different brighteness level.
#80478 - fartz - Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:08 pm
It onley works with flashme V5 thats y and y is this kid have 8 ds systems 0_o. The ds lite firmware will just need to be edited to run on all ds's so just be patient. also i can already confirm this is not fake in any way you can checkout screen shots here of people that have already done it with there V5
http://mimorada.homeip.net/temporal/NDS_V5_BRIGHT_0.jpg
http://mimorada.homeip.net/temporal/NDS_V5_BRIGHT_1.jpg
http://mimorada.homeip.net/temporal/NDS_V5_BRIGHT_2.jpg
http://mimorada.homeip.net/temporal/NDS_V5_BRIGHT_3.jpg there is 1 small draw back that most likley cant be fixed first off the ds battary wont last as long and the ds can onley get as bright as leavle 3 brigtness of a ds lite sadly but thats still awsome ^_^
note There are more screen shots then this so dont go saying these pictures are edited and also dont forget on a spanish fourm maney people have already confirmed that this works but onley with V5 for now but i have no doubt in my mind that it wont work with all ds's in the near future.
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#80499 - MechaBouncer - Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:05 pm
Does this mean that the V5 DS uses the same or similar screens as the DS Lite? Well, I guess they can't be exactly the same according to this topic:
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=8862&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Maybe it's like how the screens were updated on the GBA SP?
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#80532 - fartz - Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:22 am
Aculey all V5 firmware regular ds's work with dslite firmware and enables the ds to use all the brightness setting of ds lite so that contradicts what you just said. When i say people im talking at least 30 people on the spanish fourms say they hve sucefully done this and have posted picture maney pictures aculey of regular ds's using the brightness setting and the pictures are from all from all difrent people not just one person. I serously doubt this is fake fake. more proof: There is a new video of the brightness settings being used on the regular ds as well check it out here http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=00Q4uyACsLE&search=flashme it kinda suck tho he dousent go to the max brightness setting but its just a demonstration its also possible it was on brightness seting 2 when he started so i dunno
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#80540 - olimar - Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:45 am
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#80547 - falcon!!! - Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:50 am
does DS V5 mean that they have v5 Bios?
If they dump their BIOS, can we run that v7 firmware update and change the brightness level, like those spanish people?
#80574 - HtheB - Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:36 pm
interesting video btw :)
#80763 - melw - Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:21 am
| olimar wrote: |
| I'm still suspicious. Pictures don't prove anything, and the only place this has been reported is that one spanish web board. |
Here's one more confirmation. I just flashed a brand new pink DS (Nintendogs bundle) - FlashMe recognized the old DS model as DS Lite, telling so on the first line of: FLASHME INSTALLER (DS LITE) - the original firmware is version 5. After the firmware upgrade there's 4 different brightness levels in the main menu screen. The settings between 2-3 seem to be closest to the original DS whereas brightness at 4 is clearly better than the original DS had.
One thing I didn't realize to try is how the brightness controls work before flashing the thing. Out of habit I just flashed the DS first and then started testing things. :)
#80786 - Extreme Coder - Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:42 pm
What would make V5 versions of the DS any different than other DSes(v1-v4), other than they have a newer firmware?
Maybe we could just dump the original v5 version of the DS and flash it, then we flash v7 of flashme lite?:)
#80789 - caitsith2 - Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:55 pm
Uhm no. The method used to check if the DS is a DS lite, is through a bit that is different in PM (Power Management) register 4. If Bit 6 of PM 4 is 1, then the DS is considered to be a DS lite, otherwise its a normal DS. In the case of a DS lite, you can change the brightness by writing bits 0 and 1.
#80791 - olimar - Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:04 pm
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#80872 - shaz - Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:38 pm
I got my ds's, but all of them are yellow except one which is green!!!
Dahmit!
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#80874 - ssjowowo - Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:02 pm
I have successfully managed to flash my white v5 ds with flashme and it works flawlessly!! I'm really impressed by the clarity of the screen now. you can check it out at the video below
http://rapidshare.de/files/18936284/IMAG0003.AVI.html
#80875 - wintermute - Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:32 pm
Any chance you could host that somewhere sensible? Those of us with ISPs that use transparent proxies can't download from there.
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#80910 - tepples - Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:37 am
For videos intended to be viewed by the public, isn't it better to put the files on a video specific site such as youtube?
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#80911 - fischju - Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:40 am
| olimar wrote: |
I'll keep saying this until it sinks in. It's a HARDWARE issue, not software. There's nothing magical about the V5 firmware that imbues light-changing properties onto the DS it's installed on. It just happens that (some? all?) DSes with V5 firmware also have the Lite's new power management chip.
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Or maybe putting more power to the LEDs makes them brighter. DUH!
I have a V4 ds, is there anyway i can do this right now?
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#80915 - fischju - Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:59 am
what if i flash my ds with the v5 ds firmware (can i do that?) and then use the lastest flashme
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#80964 - fischju - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:14 am
#80966 - derula - Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:09 pm
| fischju wrote: |
| show me a picture of the new pm chip. I say software is more feasible |
Well in that case I am going to write a new firmware for my father's old record player which will make it a CD player. Or for my room lamp to make it a coffee machine.
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#80987 - Roc - Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:56 pm
I don't know if this'll be of interest to anyone, but I just upgraded my v3 DS (which had FlashMe v6) to FlashMe v7 and have no extra backlight options. Just on or off.
#80989 - ?hr - Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:14 pm
| Roc wrote: |
| I don't know if this'll be of interest to anyone, but I just upgraded my v3 DS (which had FlashMe v6) to FlashMe v7 and have no extra backlight options. Just on or off. |
same here, but i had orig. v2...
if u had read the topic then you should have noticed that only a ds with FW 5+ works(other hardware)
#80990 - adrian783 - Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:26 pm
why would ninty switch hardware on old ds? is it cheaper or something?
#80991 - MaHe - Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:35 pm
| adrian783 wrote: |
| why would ninty switch hardware on old ds? is it cheaper or something? |
Maybe the power management chips weren't working 100% properly, so they just packed them in the old DS's and installed old fw ... :)
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#80996 - MechaBouncer - Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:20 pm
True. Companies do that all the time (Intel, AMD, ATi, nVidia, etc.). They take the chips that can't perform properly at the top and remarket them lower where they do operate properly.
It's also possible that Nintendo just changed components so that they could use similar parts between the two in order to save costs. That's done a lot in business. (Although if you ask me, Nintendo should have done something like they did with the GBA Micro for the power/link connector as to use the same AC adapter for the DS Lite as the Micro and possibly function as a link port for GBA games.) It also happens when a newer, superior chip can be acquired for the same price or less and be integrated without making other changes. Look at all the revs of Sony and other gaming hardware over the years.
It's also possible that they might have wanted to upgrade the DS like they did the GBA SP, but decided not to because of the extra drain on the battery. Or they decided not to in order to avoid stealing thunder away from the DS Lite's launch. With them still being sold side-by-side, they may still do this later.
Those are my guesses.
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#81067 - Doofiz - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:44 pm
I have a blue DS with V5 and flashme v7
I get no brightness changes...anyone know what is wrong?
Anyone know where to get the flashme_lite beta so that I can try that? Thanks
#81071 - thundrestrike - Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:56 pm
I just started reading this thread and I need two questions answered please.
1. Has anyone at this board succesfully used the brightness change with their regular DS?
2. Will this ever work with V1 ds's?
Thanks, these are my only questions. :)
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#81072 - CubeGuy - Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:14 am
| thundrestrike wrote: |
| Has anyone at this board succesfully used the brightness change with their regular DS? |
| thundrestrike wrote: |
| Will this ever work with V1 ds's? |
| olimar wrote: |
| I'll keep saying this until it sinks in. It's a HARDWARE issue, not software. There's nothing magical about the V5 firmware that imbues light-changing properties onto the DS it's installed on. It just happens that (some? all?) DSes with V5 firmware also have the Lite's new power management chip. |
| thundrestrike wrote: |
| I just started reading this thread |
Finish reading.
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#81074 - MaHe - Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:15 am
I just started replying to your post and I need a question answered please.
- Will you ever READ the whole topic?
THAT WON'T WORK ON V1 DS SERIES BECAUSE IT HAS NO POWER MANAGEMENT CHIP. Damn, are you blind or plain stupid?
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#81075 - thundrestrike - Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:23 am
| MaHe wrote: |
| Damn, are you blind or plain stupid? |
i am plain stupid as I was skimming through not reading carefully
sorry guys but thanks for the answer! :)
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#81101 - darkfader - Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:43 am
Anyone tried putting in a new PM chip into an older DS? :)
Old: Mitsumi 3152A
New: Mitsumi 3205A
#81139 - adrian783 - Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:48 am
where's that chip located?
#81188 - sevast - Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:31 pm
so is the backlight different between the DS heavy and the dslite? Is it going to shorten the life of the DS heavy's backlight if you do this hack? I know that giving an LED more power than it's rated for can shorten it's life.
#81233 - HyperHacker - Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:56 pm
Hm, I thought DS and Lite used different batteries? Anyone who's done it, how many mA is the battery?
#81305 - shaz - Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:42 am
| darkfader wrote: |
Anyone tried putting in a new PM chip into an older DS? :)
Old: Mitsumi 3152A
New: Mitsumi 3205A |
How much?
Where from?
and Apply Where?
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#82235 - dedtech - Thu May 04, 2006 6:33 pm
| shaz wrote: |
| darkfader wrote: | Anyone tried putting in a new PM chip into an older DS? :)
|
How much?
Where from?
and Apply Where? |
I agree! that would be an interesting project for the hardware mod community. I do have a question though, has anyone found a detailed breakdown of the DS with schematics thats free? I found one on portelligent thats supposed to be very detailed with a complete breakdown of all parts in a list form and a schematic of the board, voltage reading, ect. However, they want $2500 and, well, thats just a bit to much for a hobby mod/developer like me. Im not a pro or anything but, I have had a few years of electronics and digital circuits back in highschool. That was a long time ago but, I can RTFM and eventually it comes back to me.
I will post the portelligent link to the order link so you cn see what is offered if anyone is interested but, I didnt want it to look like I am spaming for them.
#83067 - HtheB - Fri May 12, 2006 6:04 pm
OK I did flashme V7.. my background light is now lower than normal..
how can I change the backlight now?
Please help me :D
(yes it is a FW5 DS ;) )
EDIT: Oke I get it :D
but uhmm.. is there som sort of button configuration? so that you can do this without touching the screen?? :)
#83069 - Devil_Spawn - Fri May 12, 2006 6:28 pm
ok but.. anybody got viewtifull joe ds... you can choose a full and a medium brightness setting on that...
#83071 - HtheB - Fri May 12, 2006 6:33 pm
| Devil_Spawn wrote: |
| ok but.. anybody got viewtifull joe ds... you can choose a full and a medium brightness setting on that... |
| Ilomoga wrote: |
| omaremad wrote: | well variable brightness is found in viewtiful joe ds
-bright
-medium
-off
so it is possible, i hope its not through rapidflashing as commercially that may cause epilepsy lawsuits |
Isn't this variable "brightness" in VJ the color which is displayed on the screen (if you choose medium it is darker than in bright). At least I didn't see any difference when I switched between bright and medium and looking from the side (when you only see the white light and nothing the displays shows) |
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=9303&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=22
#83123 - HyperHacker - Sat May 13, 2006 3:29 am
Yeah, the DS has a screen brightness control which affects the brightness of the colours displayed, not the backlight. I can confirm that even my V1 DS can do it. (It IS a documented feature after all.)
#83127 - tepples - Sat May 13, 2006 3:56 am
Heck, even the GBA can do the same effect with the blending mode register. (A lot of GBA games blend with 75% image and 25% white to get lighter colors on the GBA's idiosyncratically dark screen.)
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