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DS Misc > Opera web browser questions

#84191 - thundrestrike - Sun May 21, 2006 1:54 am

Ok, I got a few questions here!

1. Will this breakthrough device have shockwave, or other media support so you can watch video clips, watch flash movies, or play shockwave games? (like habbohotel, www.habbohotel.com)

2. Will this be region free? Can you use a japenese cartridge and look at english webpages?

3. Will they make one cartridge that contains all the languages built in, or will they release one for every language?

4. What happens if you lose the GBA card that is supposedly extra RAM? Will it still work? Is it optional to use it anyways?

5. How much will it cost?

6. When is it coming out in America?

7. You're gettin' one, right?? :D
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#84193 - swimgod - Sun May 21, 2006 2:02 am

thundrestrike wrote:
Ok, I got a few questions here!

1. Will this breakthrough device have shockwave, or other media support so you can watch video clips, watch flash movies, or play shockwave games? (like habbohotel, www.habbohotel.com)

2. Will this be region free? Can you use a japenese cartridge and look at english webpages?

3. Will they make one cartridge that contains all the languages built in, or will they release one for every language?

4. What happens if you lose the GBA card that is supposedly extra RAM? Will it still work? Is it optional to use it anyways?

5. How much will it cost?

6. When is it coming out in America?

7. You're gettin' one, right?? :D


1.no(so far...), my friend's cousin got to use it at e3 and it Did Not have flash support (yet?)

4.your screwed...

5.same cousin said $19.99 :D

6.Unknown...

7.YES!!


thats all i could find the anwsers for sorry :P
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#84210 - TJ - Sun May 21, 2006 7:22 am

Why would you not be able to look at English pages with a Japanese browser? Do the Japanese have their own internet now?

The browser takes Japanese as well as English handwritting for input, so beyond the menus being in Japanese, you would not have much trouble using it.

#84233 - Critical_Impact - Sun May 21, 2006 1:35 pm

If it needs to access the gba cart couldnt we put some sort of unsigned code or a buffer overflow on the ds using it? Just a thought...
Flash is really dependent on if the ds can handle it

#84251 - Linkiboy - Sun May 21, 2006 4:46 pm

1. No

2. Hopefully

3. Hopefully

4. It's optional

5. The confirmed Japanese price translates into 34$

6. Q4

7. Yes

#84257 - derula - Sun May 21, 2006 5:45 pm

@Question number two: it is surprising how many people know so few about the internet... the browser could do a tld-feltering, okay, but aren't there .com websites? It could search through every site for hira/kata/kanji, but would that make any sense? and don't Japanese people also visit English websites sometimes? Well... and the Internet doesn't have region codes like dvds (how?).
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#84286 - tepples - Sun May 21, 2006 8:19 pm

derula wrote:
@Question number two: it is surprising how many people know so few about the internet... the browser could do a tld-feltering, okay, but aren't there .com websites?

It's not about visiting web sites that are in Japan. It's about visiting web sites while you are in Japan.

Quote:
Well... and the Internet doesn't have region codes like dvds (how?).

Yes it does, based on the network topography. Nintendowifi.net can more than likely geolocate your DS's IP address.
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#84319 - Darkflame - Sun May 21, 2006 10:11 pm

Critical_Impact wrote:
If it needs to access the gba cart couldnt we put some sort of unsigned code or a buffer overflow on the ds using it? Just a thought...
Flash is really dependent on if the ds can handle it


DS can handel it for sure (demonstrated by an unoptimised homebrew that did flash4 in an ok speed).

But porting flash is a big project, especialy for actionscript and such.

Remember, Opera isnt even makeing the DS browser from scratch.
Their porting opera mini.
Which is likely why it needs a massive 10MB extra ram.

#84337 - Baggles - Mon May 22, 2006 12:09 am

just a thought... what if someone used [/yarr]

#84346 - zzo38computer - Mon May 22, 2006 1:04 am

Baggles wrote:
just a thought... what if someone used [/yarr]


How do you use yarr?
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#84357 - HyperHacker - Mon May 22, 2006 2:19 am

Flash might also have copyright issues or some crap. Plus, nobody wants to read the ridiculously huge disclaimer that comes with the Flash plugin, and Nintendo probably knows this.

As for Japanese, it's not a question of whether it'll allow you to visit Japanese pages (trying to do that would be pretty stupid) rather than whether it'll be able to display the text. I imagine the answers to #2 and #3 will be the same.

#84363 - tepples - Mon May 22, 2006 3:18 am

zzo38computer wrote:
Baggles wrote:
what if someone used [/yarr]

How do you use yarr?

It's forum.gbadev.org's new filter: if you talk like a pirate, it makes you talk like a pirate instead.
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#84382 - Darkflame - Mon May 22, 2006 8:28 am

HyperHacker wrote:
Flash might also have copyright issues or some crap. Plus, nobody wants to read the ridiculously huge disclaimer that comes with the Flash plugin, and Nintendo probably knows this.


You mean like the huge disclaimer thats on every non-cracked DS?
Or the one that bogs down most gamecube games too?

Nintendo isnt concerned about putting annoying disclaimers up, even if they dont have too.
(Why should the DS be treated any different from a PC or Palmtop? Or the PSP for that mater)

#84393 - HyperHacker - Mon May 22, 2006 10:31 am

No, I mean like the FREAKING HUGE disclaimer that comes with Flash, it's like at least 20 pages. >_> The ones at the beginning of the games and the DS startup are annoying, but hardly huge.
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#84419 - HtheB - Mon May 22, 2006 1:48 pm

HyperHacker wrote:
No, I mean like the FREAKING HUGE disclaimer that comes with Flash, it's like at least 20 pages. >_> The ones at the beginning of the games and the DS startup are annoying, but hardly huge.
yeah but they can put that for once.. just like installing..
i mean.. if the user accepts those things.. he can click on accept.. otherwise he dont have a flash plugin..


this is an option :P

#84425 - M3d10n - Mon May 22, 2006 2:00 pm

HyperHacker wrote:
No, I mean like the FREAKING HUGE disclaimer that comes with Flash, it's like at least 20 pages. >_> The ones at the beginning of the games and the DS startup are annoying, but hardly huge.


AFAIK you only need to read that when installing the plug-in. If Opera DS happens to support Flash, it's likely to be built-in and not auto-installed when you first try to load Flash content, and thus such disclaimers would probably be in the manual or something.

But I doubt it'll feature Flash. It's very CPU intensive, and it's easy to stumble upon a flash movie which uses loads of RAM. At most, they could implement Flash Lite, which is used in some cell phones. I know little about that one, but I don't think it can reproduce standard flash content, only lite-targeted stuff.

#84503 - Baggles - Mon May 22, 2006 11:16 pm

zzo38computer wrote:
Baggles wrote:
just a thought... what if someone used [/yarr]


How do you use yarr?


someone (tepples) edited my post.

I meant legal backup, not pirated. I tend to carry my backups in my supercard for travelling.

Would i be able to backup my opera web browser? I dont care about the added gba cart (extra ram) thing if its optional

#84506 - m2pt5 - Tue May 23, 2006 12:08 am

Baggles wrote:
Would i be able to backup my opera web browser? I dont care about the added gba cart (extra ram) thing if its optional

It's very unlikely that it's optional. However, it's very likely that someone may eventually come up with a way to make a "backup" of the DS Browser use the Supercard's RAM (or the equivalent in the M3) as its memory expansion.
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#84512 - tepples - Tue May 23, 2006 12:54 am

Baggles wrote:
I meant legal backup, not pirated. I tend to carry my backups in my supercard for travelling.

That's still a PIRACY-DOT-COM topic, not a gbadev.org topic.

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We do not care if you own the games and just want to keep them on a single cart. It's not what this forum is about.

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#84726 - Baggles - Wed May 24, 2006 12:24 pm

oh, i thought PIRACY-DOT-COM is all about piracy... sorry.
well i learned what i wanted though, and ill just use the real one, its only an extra thing to carry

back on topic!

#85221 - akaidiot - Sat May 27, 2006 10:44 pm

Natrium42 has started to port Flash to DS. Called DSFlash. If the browser doesn't support it nativly. Porhaps when the homebrew version comes it will..?

#85226 - Linkiboy - Sun May 28, 2006 1:18 am

akaidiot wrote:
Natrium42 has started to port Flash to DS. Called DSFlash. If the browser doesn't support it nativly. Porhaps when the homebrew version comes it will..?
It pretty old... February 10th... I wonder if he is working on it?

#85232 - Darkflame - Sun May 28, 2006 3:17 am

What will make it (slightly) easier, is to have a browser (maybe based on the Nokia S60 sourcecode) that can download flash from a url to FAT,and then have Natrium42's (or someone elses) program run it.

That way it can concentrateing on being a pure flash program.
And the browser can be a browser.
Keeping them seperate would help ram issues, ect.
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#85859 - kjetilfred - Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:20 pm

TJ wrote:
Why would you not be able to look at English pages with a Japanese browser? Do the Japanese have their own internet now?

The browser takes Japanese as well as English handwritting for input, so beyond the menus being in Japanese, you would not have much trouble using it.


Opera is a Norwegian browser.