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DSOrganize 3.2 is out. Go to http://www.dragonminded.com/?loc=ndsdev/DSOrganize for information.
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Last edited by DragonMinded on Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:00 am; edited 17 times in total

Wow, great release! As to your blog post, we didn't forget you!

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Oh yeah, creating a blog system for developers, a homebrew database, and a wiki is forbidden right!? Then go talk to PIRATemp, NDS Zone, and a million other DS and other dev sites around the world. And I didn't steal your nitro hax story as Chishm posted that here and that is where I got it from as noted in the source on the news post. If you look at every news story on www.moddz.com you'll find that we are one of the only sites that quotes every source for every news story!

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Last edited by FifthE1ement on Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:00 pm; edited 1 time in total

Let's not turn this into a flamefest.

Dragonminded, good idea to post updates here. I am in fact one of the lazy people that only read this board, so I wouldn't happen to see what's going on, on individual developers blogs. Great new policy change to keep us (me) informed :)

Great! It's always nice to get a new update of DSOrganise, you could make it easier to record sounds, though.

Thanks for the new version, I'm off running to test the new text improvements!
Color support seems cool, will give it a spin, thanks for allowing us to increasingly customize the look and feel of DSO.
Would it be possible in the future to have a screenshot feature to show and share color profiles?
As always a big thumbs up for a new release, you always put a big smile in my face whenever I see a new version out :D.

Still causes FAT problems regardless of 16/32 or cluster size for me. It's minor, just invalid entries that get deleted (like for deleted or temp files from renaming) I get around that using the very handy MCTool so I don't have to be at a PC. Now if only I could launch it from DSO.

Nice work as always. Found a bug though; after rearranging my Home screen in the configuration menu, the Calendar icon is replaced with the Calculator icon (but still opens the Calendar). It only did this after rearranging them, but it remains after powering off. I'm using the default icon set and a GBAMP.

NSF support is nice, not quite as accurate as Moonshell's though. It's very loud too. Any chance we'll see the ability to have the volume less than 100%? I have to keep Moonshell's at 50% and turn the hardware volume control almost all the way down with my headphones to be comfortable, they're very loud... x_x

SPC support works beautifully. Does it just loop forever though? The progress bar isn't doing anything. It sounds pretty nasty with F-Zero's Mute City, I think the left and right channels are out of sync. This was after playing an NSF and another SPC, if that helps. Super Mario Kart's Vanilla Lake is also way off, and Super Mario RPG's 'Shroom Kindgom has a bit of an echo to it that I don't recognize.

Actually now I'm hearing the same desync problem with NSF (Star Soldier), and the dpad doesn't always respond while playing one. MP3 is still working fine though. The Super Mario Bros NSF sounds almost exactly like the real thing, maybe it's Moonshell that's inaccurate... I'd have to dig out some NES games and compare, no time to do that now.
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oh, this rocks as always.

I gota get some spare time to start writeing some plugins
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I'd love to see a FTP server plugin (Bjorn! :D) and some way to reload available plugins. This would make developing plugins easier! :)

I also get unsynced sound for left/right SPC playing

i don't know why but everytime i try and use the dldi for mmd i get 156GB of memory in my dock and i can't delete them

and it won't work on MMD still

Small question, when I try to edit the hex code for the colours, I can't seem to get them right, the only way I have to check them is by using photoshop, but it gives me a 6digit code, while DSO uses 4digit, I assume tha its for 15or16bit color depth, but what program can I use to make the color and have the 4digit hex code? Thnx in advance :)
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A calculator capable of converting between binary and hex. I'm not sure whether it's 15- or 16-bit, but the format would be xrrrrrgg gggbbbbb in binary; convert that to hex and away you go. x should be 1 on the DS, it may not matter in DSO, but I'd do it to be safe.

Razeruk, you'll have to format the card. DSO used to do this with my GBAMP, but stopped a few versions ago. It could also be the DLDI having a bug in it.
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Values are indeed in 555 color. The high (alpha) bit doesn't need to be set, as DSOrganize sets it automatically to ensure no problems with screen display. If you are using photoshop or other programs, chopping off the lower three bits gets you the right color for DSOrganize.
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HyperHacker wrote:

A calculator capable of converting between binary and hex. I'm not sure whether it's 15- or 16-bit, but the format would be xrrrrrgg gggbbbbb in binary; convert that to hex and away you go. x should be 1 on the DS, it may not matter in DSO, but I'd do it to be safe.

Razeruk, you'll have to format the card. DSO used to do this with my GBAMP, but stopped a few versions ago. It could also be the DLDI having a bug in it.

i did format, and lucky for me i backed up the stuff in there

anyway should i tryout 2.6 cause i don't know what's wrong with the dldi because it works with nitro hax

DragonMinded wrote:

Changed volume control to allow less than 100%.

Yayz

Heh, I noticed you can go right down to 0%. Amusing in a way. :-p

What SPC library are you using? I see too the buttons are a bit unresponsive while playing them.
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Now that it has SPC playback, DSOrganize could potentially replace Moonshell for me. Though I'm one of the unfortunate few running homebrew on a MMD, so I can't even get it to run without resetting the clock to 0:00 (or renaming to bootme.nds, but that's a bit less convenient). If only homebrew booting in DSOrganize worked with the MMD, then I could just have it run at boot and use the browser to run anything else. Regardless, this is some nice homebrew, even if I do need to use an annoying workaround to get it to start. Excellent work here.

Tets wrote:

Though I'm one of the unfortunate few running homebrew on a MMD, so I can't even get it to run without resetting the clock to 0:00 (or renaming to bootme.nds, but that's a bit less convenient).

It looks like someone needs to port GBAMP DevLauncher to the MAX Media Dock.
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I'm intending to try a special exec_stub.bin for MMD soon, like I did with success for M3Simply and R4. The problem is I need people in my IRC room to test for me as I don't have a MMD.

EDIT: I've posted a video of an upcoming feature to DSOrganize. Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAcfI_-kduM
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GREAT dragonminded !!!! =DDD?

You did a big surprise, and I hope we'll can see this update soon !!
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Looking good. I'd be happy to help test if there's a shortage of MMD owners.

DragonMinded wrote:

I'm intending to try a special exec_stub.bin for MMD soon, like I did with success for M3Simply and R4. The problem is I need people in my IRC room to test for me as I don't have a MMD.

EDIT: I've posted a video of an upcoming feature to DSOrganize. Check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAcfI_-kduM

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Just wow.
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Nice job DragonMinded, that looks to be one of the best additions to DSOrganize that could possibly be made. Keep it up!

Go go Dragonminded! Does it make it the 5th homebrew browser? The more the better!

Will you add support for non Ascii characters in DSO?
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Wooooooot. I knew I'd see this eventually with the HTML viewer and mention of "a convenient function to grab a file over HTTP" for plugins. Awesome in any case, can't wait to try it.
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felix123 wrote:

Go go Dragonminded! Does it make it the 5th homebrew browser? The more the better!?

Yes, but I suspect unlike most of those 5, this will actualy be released ;)
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Some how i like more DSOrganize than Moonshell but DSO don't have custom character from my language (in polish language we use some special characters like "s" or "o" with coma above) and it's impossible to read ebook on DSO because they not show (just blank spaces). Here (http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spos%C3%B3b_kodowania_polskich_znak%C3%B3w) are character encodings in asci, utf-8 and so forth for this characters. I hope this help to bring this characters to DSO in future. Anyway good work DragonMinded.

I've decided to put an alpha out for you guys to play around with, at least to hold you over until I implement more features.

Read at my blog: http://dragonminded.blogspot.com/
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w00t! Who would have thought after all these months of "Okiwi vs. Gnirfleo" that DSOrganize would come in and release the first actually functional demo?

Shame we can't click on links, or at least see the URLs of them to type them in ourselves, but for an alpha release it's certainly more than enough. Congratulations on the accomplishment, and good luck with future enhancements.

EDIT: wait, your blog said links were clickable... *immediately runs back to test* wow, can't believe I missed that. That makes it even more awesome.

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dantheman wrote:

w00t! Who would have thought after all these months of "Okiwi vs. Gnirfleo" that DSOrganize would come in and release the first actually functional demo?

Shame we can't click on links, or at least see the URLs of them to type them in ourselves, but for an alpha release it's certainly more than enough. Congratulations on the accomplishment, and good luck with future enhancements.

Say what? You can click on links fine.

I mean, mostly fine. For some reason clicking on a link to DS Misc on this site lead me to a topic in DS Flash Equipment, but that might have been a touch screen issue. Some feedback when you click on a link (like a dotted line around the link you just clicked) would be nice, so you can tell if clicking it worked.

Yeah, I realized that about 10 seconds ago, sorry about the confusion. I edited my post to reflect that.

Woah Dragon! This is so awesome. Congratulations on this milestone. One question though:

Will this browser be able to use wifi available at cafes and diners?

I'm having lots of fun toying around with this app. Thank you VERY much!

compacho wrote:

Will this browser be able to use wifi available at cafes and diners?

Does "wifi available at cafes and diners" require the use of HTTPS or JavaScript or both? Iff not, then yes.
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I keep on getting "The server sent an incomplete reply back." Refreshing doesn't help.
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I got that a few times. Exiting the browser and reentering gave me a black keyboard, so I just rebooted and it started working correctly again.

All webpages are written to the memory card. Would this reduce the lifespan of the card?
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All webpages are written to the memory card. Would this reduce the lifespan of the card?

The threat of NAND flash wear is overblown. The microcontrollers in modern CF and SD memory cards perform hardware wear leveling. When a sector begins to show wear (detected, perhaps, using ECC statistics) after 100,000 to a million writes, it is remapped to another spare sector. There are enough spare sectors to last until flash memory density has improved by an order of magnitude. This is why my next project, which is finally not another Tetris clone, will autosave what the player does to a log file every couple minutes.
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Awesome, now I can see what's up with that AP at work that's no longer letting me connect to the Internet. It froze loading badgerx3.com though. I know it's not going to support Flash anytime soon, but I always load that first on a new browser. It's tradition. :-p

Immediately I see 2 minor bugs:
-Why does the B icon say "Toggle Hidden"? Wouldn't "Toggle Keyboard" make more sense?
-Going to www.qdb.us and clicking Random, the URL bar says "http://www.qdb.us//random" - there should only be one slash before random.

QDB isn't much fun though with the inability to click the radio buttons. Ah well, there's Bash too. :-)
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Not that you can use secure pages anyway, but the http:// insertion seems too aggressive, being added even after backspacing it out to accommodate a https://.

Otherwise, working great on my M3miniSD.

Wow, Im checking this out :)

Dosnt DM get a medel or something for this first?!
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Just in case anyone else didn't realize this: DSO works on GBAMP without being DLDI-patched, but takes a while to start up. If you use the GBAMP patch, it starts up almost instantly.
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Well actually, DSLinux had the first two... first browser with background music and background IRC chat, too :P

Anyway, nice work DragonMinded! One bit of criticism: Clicking links could really do with some kind of feedback. Right now I can't tell whether I have clicked one or not so it feels a bit clunky.
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Hey it's pretty cool. But when I click links, it almost always ends up at the servers 404 Error page. there's two http:// at the beginning... you should fix it.

And I never know if I clicked a link or if it didn't process.

First "easy to use" browser then.
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Anyway, I had a go with it and it works fantastic :)
Supprisingly fast.
I too get the " http://" address when clicking on links occasionaly.
I think it might be because im clicking too often though.

Maybe, when in fullscreen, some indictator of loading/status might be an idea?

Either way, this rocks :)
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There is a loading bar at the very bottom for when you click links in dual screen mode. I usually click a link and then wait a few seconds while looking at that. If it starts filling up, I'll wait, otherwise I'll click again.

Err... when I am trying to type something into Google, it won't work!

thats because forms arent supported yet.

Found 3 bugs trying to browse GBADev:
1) Bad ampersand handling. Clicking the "Nintendo DS" category link takes me to "...?c=8&sid=...".
2) Bad link handling. Possibly due to image links. When I click a link, the previous one is activated; e.g. I need to click the 1st moderator's name to enter a forum. In Wikipedia it's worse, some links don't work at all and some are off by a few (clicking one activates a completely different one).
3) It froze loading the DS Development forum.
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Guys, Alpha 3 is out on my blog now ( http://dragonminded.blogspot.com/ ). I haven't had a chance to address most of the bugs posted here, but I think I may have solved the major corruption issue with gba_nds_fat. Also, I added quick search (eg. "g DSOrganize" will search google for DSOrganize) to hold you guys over until I can add proper forms. Enjoy!
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Do you plan on a port to libfat for the 3.0 series?
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Nice work DragonMinded,

Can you make the loading bar in the corner a bit more noticable? I often click a link then end up clicking it again just before it shows the page. Are there any plans to support images?
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Wikipedia works really well with text only. I added this line to searchprefs.txt in /DSOrganize for easier Wikipedia access.

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Found a bug, but this is with the first alpha 2.7, so maybe you already fixed it. If I try to open /MOONSHL/SKIN/FBARCUR.BMP or FBARPLAY.BMP, it freezes; the animation keeps going, but it won't respond to anything, even the lid. This could be because they're 32-bit. I'll check with the latest alpha and see if it still happens.

[edit] Still happens with alpha 3.
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Pardon the double post, but I found another bug and had a simple idea for the browser.

I went to the DSO home page to look up the file format for shortcuts, and when I clicked FAQ, it redirected to "/?loc=ndsdev/DSOrganize FAQ", not escaping the space. This caused the server to complain about invalid characters in the query string or some such (even though it works fine in Firefox). After that, I Googled "dsorganize" to try to find a link to the FAQ page there. When I clicked "More results from www.dragonminded.com" it actually took me to "www.dragonminded.com/search?hl=" and so on. After that I closed and re-opened the browser and it was simply at "blank" instead of "about:blank".

I noticed it doesn't always connect (a problem with most wifi homebrew in my experience), especially if you close and re-open the browser. I found a simple solution: Do a connection test in an NWFC game. When it says "Connection successful", power off and start whatever homebrew you're trying to use, and it should work. Seems the wifi lib may not be initializing or de-initializing everything correctly.

I tried to download the DSDoom shareware WAD, but it just stopped at 20%. It wasn't frozen (I was able to cancel), it just didn't download any more.

Finally, I noticed the searchpref.txt file. With some minor changes, this could be used as a form of favourites list:
1) Allow the first string to be more than a single letter, ending at a space.
2) Allow empty input (e.g. go to Google even if I just enter "g").
Then for example you could define "dsdev" as "forum.gbadev.org" and simply type "dsdev" in the address bar to get there. You could also change how the input is added: instead of tacking it on to the end, maybe replace any dollar signs in the URL with it.
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Hay, this works amazingly well :)

I actualy used it for something practical today and it worked flawlessly.
I was playing a game on the DS, wanted to check out some infomation, and managed too get to the relivent GameFAQ page and get the info then plunge straight into the game :)

All from the comfort of my bed :p
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tepples wrote:

Do you plan on a port to libfat for the 3.0 series?

Huh? I patched DSOrganize with DLDI...

But it's not using libfat.
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But it's not using libfat.

See page 1 of this topic, at the bottom of the changes for 2.61.

I patched it for SCSD and it has improved the start up speed (by a lot).
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It's DLDI, but not libfat.
I also patched it for SCSD to speed up startup time. :)
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meh ;P!
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Why would you need libfat if you have DLDI?

Because gba_nds_fat still has lingering bugs with file creation and deletion that result in data loss.
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ok, is it possible to add downloading functionality through a plugin?
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Sure is, if you look at the plugin template readme.txt you can probably see how, also the header files included in the plugin template are a big help.

i tried to use the plugin creator, and it well told me that the make command does not exist and now i have absolutely no clue how to use it. btw, what kind of plugins can be used, and what really can be done?
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Iteo wrote:

i tried to use the plugin creator, and it well told me that the make command does not exist and now i have absolutely no clue how to use it.

What is the content of your PATH environment variable? Go to a command prompt, type
set path
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C:\Documents and Settings\Sold>set path
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PATHEXT=.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH
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Have you installed MSYS? If you have installed MSYS, you should have a folder with several executables: sh.exe, make.exe, cp.exe. If you have installed MSYS through devkitPro Updater, these files will be in the folder "C:\devkitpro\msys\1.0\bin". Wherever you installed MSYS, this folder needs to go into your PATH.

You can make a batch file that changes your PATH only for one command prompt session, or you can edit your PATH for all programs inside My Computer > context menu > Properties > Advanced > Environment Variables.
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SO to what extent can the plugins be used? like what can be done? is it possible to add like .avi compatablilty, or would that not work because it needs something to play it?
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ok i tried that, and it still gives me the message. i must have done something wrong

edit:

How do i make the plugin from another plugin? do i need to edit the makefile in VC++?

edit 2:
C:\Documents and Settings\Sold\Desktop\Downloads\Default(2)>make
Makefile:5: *** "Please set DEVKITARM in your environment. export DEVKITARM=<pat
h to>devkitARM. Stop.

C:\Documents and Settings\Sold\Desktop\Downloads\Default(2)>pause
Press any key to continue . . .

is what it really tells me when i type build. DO i need to install devkitarm?
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Iteo wrote:

SO to what extent can the plugins be used? like what can be done?

If you want something to run in real-time on a DS, it has to be capable of running in real-time on a DS.

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is it possible to add like .avi compatablilty, or would that not work because it needs something to play it?

Like .mov and .mka, .avi is just a container format; it can hold any video codec and any audio codec. Which codecs do you want, and how many seconds are you willing to wait for each frame to be decoded? The codecs used with the .dpg container have the advantages that they are mostly patent-free (MPEG-1 video and MP2 audio are old, and Vorbis audio is designed around all known patents) and they are comparatively low-complexity compared to "modern" codecs.
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well besides movies and music, i wondered if it would be possible to do like an snes etc plugin.
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Dont think there would be enough resources left.
Maybe Nes.
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I'm playing about with the plugin system at the moment, excuse my noobness, but how do I retrieve the real time clock?
I was trying to display the seconds, for instance, with;

Code:

sprintf(Scd, "%d", IPC->time.rtc.seconds);
libfb_dispString(SCREEN1, 5, 65, Scd);

But it just comes out as zero.
Compiles fine with no errors.
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Potential for new update? I think so....The hbdb is being changed.

edit: what is the easter egg?
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We gota find it, thats what :p
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So I think my 1GB Compact Flash was corrupted when I was messing around with one of the alpha versions of DSO v2.71. Don't remember which alpha version. I'm not sure if it is the cause of the corruption, but my card reader won't even recognize that there's a CF card in it. There's no way of fixing it, is there?
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Put it in a camera, etc. that reads compact flash and format it there. Unless this is a really old badly used card, a format on a different device should fix it. You really need to use the latest version of dso as it doesnt do that as much. Good Luck.

Btw the reason it was corrupted was because it is still an alpha with the browser and the cache if i am right causes the card to corrupt.
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Yeah, my filesystem keeps becoming corrupted in the same way, and when Windows' error checking finds missing files, many of them are cache files. So I highly suspect it's DSO's browser causing this.
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Does the browser use a cache on the disk or something?

Alpha 3 of DSOrganize includes this:

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- Fix for corruption bug on creating new files or directories.

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I haven't had filesystem corruption on my GBAMP since I started testing with Alpha 3. Sure, there is still the bug that accidentally creates lfn entries when the file is only 8.3 still, and there is the bug that occasionally corrupts a file itself if you write to it, but I haven't gotten one bad fat entry or needed to format once since updating to Alpha 3. I think some of the corruption stems from bad card drivers like m3sd suffered from back in the day.
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Seriously guys, how hard is it to simply TRY something yourself?

I'm using alpha 3 and GBAMP. I notice the corruption occurrs in the same way every time:

-/TXT/ideas.txt, when modified by any program (but only after using the DS for a while, which probably means only after using DSO's browser), will not actually be modified; a new file /TXT/ideas~01.txt will be created with the new contents. Moonshell can't open either of them saying the extension '. ' is not supported.
-If I rename any file in /linux in DSO, usually it and a few others in that directory disappear. If not, editing the file will cause this.

Once this starts happening I do a disk check in Windows and it finds 4 to 16 files, most of which are browser cache files, the missing Linux files, or filled entirely with 0xE5.

[edit] I noticed something else. While using the browser occasionally I get "incomplete download" errors, but if I use it for ~10 minutes at a time, I get this every time I load a page or even use the Back button to go back to a page that loaded successfully. The filesystem drivers go into a failstate. If I exit the browser and open the file browser, every file is listed as zero bytes. Shortcuts on the home screen don't work (as if the file isn't a valid shortcut), the todo list and reminder don't display on the top screen, etc. The files are still intact though, and if I reboot my NDS they show up alright. Presumably the "incomplete download" errors occurr because it's reporting that the downloaded page is zero bytes when it should be more.

This is using the GBAMP CF patch BTW. It works without (haven't seen any corruption) but takes a long time to boot up.
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HyperHacker wrote:

Once this starts happening I do a disk check in Windows and it finds 4 to 16 files, most of which are browser cache files, the missing Linux files, or filled entirely with 0xE5.

I noticed this as well. Scandisk finds both cache files (HTML code) and files filled with ? (0xE5). Fortunately, I have not experienced any other file corruption since upgrading from 2.61 to 2.7a3. I have used DSO for renaming, deleting, and copy/pasting save files only.

HyperHacker wrote:

I noticed something else. While using the browser occasionally I get "incomplete download" errors, but if I use it for ~10 minutes at a time, I get this every time I load a page or even use the Back button to go back to a page that loaded successfully. The filesystem drivers go into a failstate. If I exit the browser and open the file browser, every file is listed as zero bytes.

Same here. Additionally, when the browser goes into the "incomplete" state, if I hit Home, then start the web browser again, I get a black keyboard.

2.7 final out
- Added link color changing when you click or if it's visited.
- Added very simple utf-8 support for some sites (no extended codepages).
- Added anchors.
- Made links more sensitive to clicking.
- Added forms support.
- Fixed & problem in some URLs.
- Fixed non breaking spaces ( ,  ) showing up as '?'.
- Fixed bullets and dashes on wikipedia for all fonts.
- Fixed html rendering for sites with bad tables.
http://www.dragonminded.com/ndsdev/DSOrganize_2_7.zip
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felix123 wrote:

2.7 final out
- Added link color changing when you click or if it's visited.
- Added very simple utf-8 support for some sites (no extended codepages).
- Added anchors.
- Made links more sensitive to clicking.
- Added forms support.
- Fixed & problem in some URLs.
- Fixed non breaking spaces (?,  ) showing up as '?'.
- Fixed bullets and dashes on wikipedia for all fonts.
- Fixed html rendering for sites with bad tables.
http://www.dragonminded.com/ndsdev/DSOrganize_2_7.zip

That's only the browser fixes from alpha 3 to final. I posted already about 2.7 and the release log has the full fixes.
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Awesome! I'm posting this from my ds right now! I love how the forms work, much better than the Wii opera browser :p
So far it works great, although it froze the first time I clicked the page 6 link for this thread... And it would be nice if clicking on a form while it already has focus would bring up the keyboard.
Great work, and this is definately the best browser yet!
(my Ns keep typing as Bs, is this my ds or is it DSO?)

K, this is awesome. I only see one minor issue so far: When you touch a text field and the keyboard is hidden, it should pop back up. It can be confusing otherwise. "OK, I clicked the box and nothing's happening..." Then when you enter something, and hit Enter, it submits the form instead of just hiding the keyboard; you have to hide it again and poke the next box (e.g. for login pages). Heh, it even masks the password, nice.

I can't seem to log in to acmlm.no-ip.org/board; it only takes me back to an incomplete log in page (ending at "Register | Login"). This place was never known for having valid/decent code, so I'm not surprised. Being able to view source would help debug in these cases.

PHPBBs look much better now, probably because of adding line breaks after <tr> elements. It still has some issues (links' alt text is the same as their text, so the text is duplicated) but those are PHPBB's fault. :-p
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If the keyboard doesn't work properly, poke harder. :)
Mine doesn't work properly for the top row if you don't poke hard enough.

Edit: the easter egg is way cool.
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felix123 wrote:

If the keyboard doesn't work properly, poke harder. :)

The DS doesn't know how hard you 'poke'. It happens when I'm typing fast and I click the left half of the N key, it pushes B.

Dood77 wrote:

felix123 wrote:

If the keyboard doesn't work properly, poke harder. :)

The DS doesn't know how hard you 'poke'. It happens when I'm typing fast and I click the left half of the N key, it pushes B.

The DS screen does generate coordinate values that aren't entirely accurate, especially at that split second where the stylus is barely touching the surface. Most touch code isn't perfect at dealing with these noisy values. Poke harder.

Liquidnumb wrote:

Dood77 wrote:

felix123 wrote:

If the keyboard doesn't work properly, poke harder. :)

The DS doesn't know how hard you 'poke'. It happens when I'm typing fast and I click the left half of the N key, it pushes B.

The DS screen does generate coordinate values that aren't entirely accurate, especially at that split second where the stylus is barely touching the surface. Most touch code isn't perfect at dealing with these noisy values. Poke harder.

So I'm guessing nintendo had a way to deal with this, as most commercial games don't have this issue?

Dood77 wrote:

The DS doesn't know how hard you 'poke'.

Yes it does. The touch resistance is inversely proportional to the touch area, which varies with touch pressure.

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So I'm guessing nintendo had a way to deal with this, as most commercial games don't have this issue?

Yes. Nintendo has the exact spec for the timing that the touch screen expects. I seem to remember some effort in reverse engineering some DS Download Station demo's touch code in the R18-R19 days. And based on the changes to the ARM7 code of the combined template between DKA r18 and DKA r20, it looks like the timing might be done with vcount, which provides a roughly 63.5 microsecond timing granuarity.

When was the touch code in DSO's ARM7 binary last updated?
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This is awesome. Posting from DSO 2.7 now. I did manage to crash the browser once after using it for a long time (it froze while trying to load a link - wouldn't respond to any input and had to reboot). Haven't been able to reproduce it.

This browser rocks now. I totally don't need images to enjoy it. though it could use a 'tab' key to cycle between form fields and maybe links (X and Y?)

Keep up the good work Dragon!

I still get the repetition of a short segment when playing a lot of .ogg files in a row.
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tepples wrote:

Dood77 wrote:

The DS doesn't know how hard you 'poke'.

Yes it does. The touch resistance is inversely proportional to the touch area, which varies with touch pressure.

Hm, I didn't know that the DS knew the touch area either. Why isn't this used in games? Because its not too precise? I guess if you touched two places at once it would think you are pressing *really* hard?

Dood77 wrote:

tepples wrote:

The touch resistance is inversely proportional to the touch area, which varies with touch pressure.

Hm, I didn't know that the DS knew the touch area either. Why isn't this used in games? Because its not too precise?

I can guess three reasons:

The translation from pressure to area depends on what kind of pen you are using: DS stylus, DS thumb strap, DS Lite stylus, finger, etc.
The translation from area to resistance depends on which lot the touch screen came from. Such data is not recorded in the DS firmware, unlike the translation from raw touch values to screen-space values.
Pressure sensitive games may encourage (especially younger) players to press too hard on the touch screen, which could cause premature failure and extra warranty replacement costs for Nintendo.

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I guess if you touched two places at once it would think you are pressing *really* hard?

That or you're using a fingernail, which deforms more than a stylus does and thus covers a larger area.
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This new version is great :)

I have posted on a few forums, browsed the web smoothly and quickly and it all goes fine.
Music seems a bit better too. :)
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File corruption is not completely fixed. I created a text file, edited it, and it disappeared.
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Has anyone else had trouble with ShoutCast streams in 2.7 final?

- With 2.7b3 and its resource bin, it plays how it should, and the bitrate can be up to 160kbps before I'll start running into buffering problems

- No matter -what- the bitrate, with 2.7 final here, the same exact stream plays a -little- too quickly, and the buffer drops to 0% rapidly (in like 10 seconds) and then has to reconnect

(...this is a stream being served by my computer like 2ft away btw. :/)

With what stream type? I use AAC streams all the time and they have no issue for me.
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MP3 streams :/

...with the AAC+ plugin that comes bundled with WinAmp (latest/5.34 here), it buffers and reconnects as soon as it reaches 100%, unless you're talking about a 3rd party plugin

SPC playback causes problems: playing back some of my spc files freeze DSOrganize 2.7, they played excellent in 2.6 (a bug of the echo fix?)
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I got a file system corruption while using the web browser in 2.7-final last night. From reading earlier comments, I think this is a different sort of corruption than people were experiencing with the alpha versions. Basically what I got was this:

[Images not permitted - Click here to view it]

It looks like an HTML file was written to the ToC or something like that. Even the cart's volume label showed the same thing. Luckily, running Scandisk more or less solved the problem, I hust had to figure out what the proper names for files and folders in the root were supposed to be after Scandisk identified them and gave them placeholder names, and that was easy for the most part since files inside the folders were named correctly. I removed everything from the cart, formatted it and then put stuff back, though, just to be safe.

I had actually just logged on to these forums and was about to post in this topic when the problem happened (the HTML file that was written to the ToC seems to be the index page for the GBAdev forums if you look at some of the file names in that pic), but the forum didn't come up, instead I got a message saying that the download was not complete and that refreshing would probably fix it. I had gotten that message a couple times before, possibly because I was on a public wireless network shared with a couple dozen other users. Hitting 'A' seems to have the effect of refreshing, or at least it did the previous times, but this time, I just kept getting the same message 6 or 7 times, so I assumed that I had been disconnected or something like that. I exited back out to the DSOrganize menu and re-launched the web browser, but the keyboard in the web browser didn't come up properly, there was just a big black box where it was supposed to be, though everything else on the screen looked correct. Touching the stylus inside that black box would actually type letters into the URL bar, though I didn't actually try going to any webpages this way since it would have been pretty hard to type any addresses correctly. Instead, I exited back out to the DSOrganize menu without doing anything at all in the browser (it did seem to associate with the wireless network, though). DSOrganize then froze at its manin menu and I had to reset my system. When I reset it, I noticed the file system corruption. Like I said running Scandisk on the drive solved the corruption perfectly.

I'm using a G6 Lite with the v0.19 DLDI driver. The G6 DLDI driver is reverse engineered since the G6 people naever gave out full source. Iv'e had problems with the G6 DLDI in the past, though, things have been perfect since v0.19, but it's still possible that this problem is at least partially the fault of the DLDI driver, I don't know.

Anyway, what I was coming here to say in this topic when all this happened is that the DSOrganize browser is really very good. Better than I would have expected so quickly. One option that would be nice to have would be some way to view individual images. Not rendering all the images on the page since I know that will be difficult, but if we could somehow click on an image placeholder in the browser and have that image come up in DSOrganize's regular image viewer, it would be nice. Of course, that would only be worth doing if full image support within the browser is going to be a long time coming.

Also, is there any way to keep a music track from pausing when you close the DS?

...word is bondage...

Why not change the behaviour for loading the colors.ini to load it only when choosing an icon set, this way the appearance customization is completely integrated.
It could also work with another option for loading the color.ini, but it would only add unneeded complexity.
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I am getting a pretty fatal error with DS Organize BROWSER (not the web browser).

I was playing music on my M3 Lite Pro with DS Organize 2.7 BETA and I tried to change the song order from "Single File" to "Sequence". My music froze up (started to studder) and I got back to the browser menu but then it froze. Tried it again and said it was missing "RESOURCES" folder... I put it (the MicroSD card) into my computer and I went to the DS Organize directory... it was empty! Nothing left in it... no files or anything.

I had to delete DSOrganize (folder) and replace it.

This crashed happened to me once too, but I thought it was because I was trying to change the play order in an empty m3u playlist... :P
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I'm using a DS-X and all my apps and music get deleted everytime I try to play a 320kbps mp3 file in DSorganise....

Ran into my first filesystem problem with 2.7...was just editing a .cfg text file, hit Save, noticed the filename was gone when I browsed back into the dir...along with the DSOrganize dir.

No wacky characters/invalid filenames like 2.6 would sometimes do...the file+dir just vanished. A chkdsk recovered the clusters and I verified that the files it semi-rescued were the .cfg and the DSO dir :)

Sticking with using 2.7a3 for file operations and shoutcast stuff for now :/

[EDIT: Okay, tried 2.7 FINAL that was updated on May 7th...now the ShoutCast streaming doesn't play at all...it connects, the buffer fills, it says 'Streaming', and reconnects a couple seconds later :/ Anyone want to play around with using http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/ssshout.htm as a server and seeing if they can get 2.7 Final working? It works fine with Alpha 3 without any changes in configuration/etc]

Sweater Fish Deluxe wrote:

Also, is there any way to keep a music track from pausing when you close the DS?

When you close the DS, the music goes out the headphones jack, saving alot of power. I think there should be a version that you can change that.

Reported errors so far to DragonMinded:
-DSOrganize folder deleted when:
-change the song order from "Single File" to "Sequence"
-playing 320kbps song
-change the play order in an empty m3u playlist
-editing a .cfg text file, hit Save
-No shoutcast streaming

I just want to stress that any filesystem corruption/problems I've seen have been random, and not caused by something that I can replicate consistently...that's what makes it that much more annoying :) So it's not that 'editing a text file' is a problem it's just that it happened one time while doing that. :P

I suspect all, or at least most of the filesystem bugs are symptoms of the same problem:
-change the song order from "Single File" to "Sequence" - doesn't it remember your selection? This would require writing to a config file.
-playing 320kbps song - this is an interesting one, could be decompressing to disk?
-change the play order in an empty m3u playlist - again, remembering selection. May not necessarily happen only to empty playlists, or consistently.
-editing a .cfg text file, hit Save - obvious

DSO still uses GBA_NDS_FAT for whatever reason right? That had quite a few bugs.
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DSO originally used GBA_NDS_FAT for directory listing right? Doesn't libfat support this yet? DSO is probably the worst program I've used when it comes to filesystem errors... Unfortunate, because its a great program.
(and I'm still confused about how we DLDI patch it but it uses GBA_NDS_FAT... anyone care to explain?)
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HyperHacker/Dood77, see: http://www.dragonminded.com/?loc=ndsdev/LibFATDragon ...

Is there any way to disable the dldi auto patching, it's wreaking havoc on the older homebrew I use, and the homebrew that doesn't require fat access.

Could you post more details about this? Autopatching shouldn't do anything to roms that don't have a dldi section.
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Sure, if i launch REIN or flashme on my gbamp cf, they usually say: autopatching dldi or something along those lines, then it goes to the cow dancing with 'Trying' on the top.

Could you possibly rapidshare or email me the exact files you are using?
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http://home.comcast.net/~olimar/flashme/
I tried most of the files there, they dont seem to boot, they just go the the trying screen.

On R4, it mostly works, except I lost a text file that I had been working on yesterday, only to have it show up in FOUND.000 after a chkdsk. I guess DragonMinded's customized gba_nds_fat is still not perfect.
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It still has bugs. I squashed the major one that was killing cards all over, but I have yet to fix the minor ones like that. Right now I'm concentrating on trying to find what kills the arm7 side of the sound streaming implementation I've written.
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blades wrote:

Sure, if i launch REIN or flashme on my gbamp cf, they usually say: autopatching dldi or something along those lines, then it goes to the cow dancing with 'Trying' on the top.

I just tried flashme on my gbamp cf with all three boot methods and it loaded just fine each time.
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I tried DSOrganize on my DS Lite with DSLink and FlashMe 7, but the upper third of the touchscreen is constantly flickering, icons and text are completely disapearing for short times. Any other Applicaition I tested worked fine.
I tried v2.7 with any DLDI Patch for DSLink I could find, and also a 2.3 version for DSLink I found. The failure happens everytime.
Is there any solution?

Not that I know of, I've never seen that behavior before.
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I've made two pictures of the different states, but they are changing fast, several times per second.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1078/ds1kp5.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3698/ds2rm1.jpg

I have no idea why that's happening. Perhaps it's the dslink's loader?
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touchdown wrote:

I've made two pictures of the different states, but they are changing fast, several times per second.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1078/ds1kp5.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3698/ds2rm1.jpg

I have it everytime i boot DSO after a Moonshell's soft reset (reset.mse).

The same thing happens with nearly all homebrew whenever I do a software reset.

I wish I could figure out why... (looks on GBATek)
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tepples wrote:

...except I lost a text file that I had been working on yesterday, only to have it show up in FOUND.000 after a chkdsk. I guess DragonMinded's customized gba_nds_fat is still not perfect.

I had had this trouble several times, but unfortunately with hundreds of files at the same time.

It is not only a problem of DSO and DragonMinded it also happened with DSFTP - means with Chishm's libfat.

:-(

No, with Chishm's older gba_nds_fat, which DragonMinded forked to add more device support.

Chishm has developed two different file system implementations for the GBA and DS: gba_nds_fat and libfat. The former was standard around the time DSOrganize was developed. Chishm abandoned it in favor of libfat, not fixing bugs in the legacy code, but libfat needed enhancements to devkitARM itself that took longer than anyone expected, so people continued to use gba_nds_fat until devkitARM R20 came out, and DSOrganize hasn't been refactored to use the new code.
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tepples wrote:

No, ...

Yes, because DSFTP runs with Chishm's libfat. Or?

I've been told that file system corruption happens less often with libfat than with gba_nds_fat. It still happens in corner cases, such as when eepinator tries to back up a 512 KiB Pok?mon save to a completely full card, but libfat is closer to correct.
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It's annoying how programming things like this isn't really an exact science, correct? I have no idea where to start programming a FAT driver, so I guess it seems incredibly difficult to be able to track a corruption bug, especially since theres not really any way to see from the corrupted file why or in what way it was corrupted...

...hm, I don't know that what I was trying to say really came through here but whatever...

I guess maybe what I'm getting at is are these corruption bugs fixable? Or do we not have the slightest idea why or where they happen?
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Dood77 wrote:

It's annoying how programming things like this isn't really an exact science, correct? I have no idea where to start programming a FAT driver, so I guess it seems incredibly difficult to be able to track a corruption bug, especially since theres not really any way to see from the corrupted file why or in what way it was corrupted...

If you can make the shortest DS program that calls libfat and properly closes all files that it opens, such that you can consistently reproduce the following sequence of events, then chishm wants to know about it:

Run chkdsk /f H: in Windows, and get a clean response.
Eject the memory card.
Run the program on the DS.
Run chkdsk /f H: in Windows, and get a dirty response.

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tepples wrote:

Dood77 wrote:

It's annoying how programming things like this isn't really an exact science, correct? I have no idea where to start programming a FAT driver, so I guess it seems incredibly difficult to be able to track a corruption bug, especially since theres not really any way to see from the corrupted file why or in what way it was corrupted...

If you can make the shortest DS program that calls libfat and properly closes all files that it opens, such that you can consistently reproduce the following sequence of events, then chishm wants to know about it:

Run chkdsk /f H: in Windows, and get a clean response.
Eject the memory card.
Run the program on the DS.
Run chkdsk /f H: in Windows, and get a dirty response.

I have a test NDS file that uses this exact method. This is how I tracked the major corruption bug that has been fixed. The reason I've been slow to find the rest is that they don't ruin whole cards like that one did. Since fixing that, I haven't had to reformat once, and not one time has a directory been corrupted. Sure, once in a while, a file gets created wrong and you lose that particular download/text file, but that's way more bearable than if the entire directory craps out.
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Every time I delete a file in DSOrganize, I get a directory error that chkdsk fixes (something about "removed invalid long file name entry" in the directory where the file was deleted).
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I get the same when deleting a file from the R4 interface with the X button.

This is because in gba_nds_fat, when you delete a file, it doesn't delete the LFN entry as well. I was meaning to edit that in, but haven't got around to it yet.
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tepples wrote:

Every time I delete a file in DSOrganize, I get a directory error...

Yes, the most times my file system was corrupted after I deleted a file with either DSFTP (gba_nds_fat) or DSOrganize (gba_nds_fat).

For example:
After deleting an 'interrupted' file DSFTP wrote the new file correct, but some other files with strange 'Japanese' names appears in that folder, too. Chkdsk shows these are kind of renamed files from all over the disk...

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Edit: DSFTP uses 'gba_nds_fat', too.

Last edited by wandafritsch on Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:10 am; edited 1 time in total

Is there any difference in using FAT16 vs FAT32? I've noticed far fewer corruption issues - only found 1 - since using DSO 2.7 Beta weeks ago (still haven't upgraded to final) so I'm pretty happy with that. I'm using 1 GB formatted as FAT16.

But then I usually use the GUI scandisk vs chkdsk, so maybe I'm just not seeing a detailed enough error report to notice the long filename thing.
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wandafritsch wrote:

tepples wrote:

Every time I delete a file in DSOrganize, I get a directory error...

Yes, the most times my file system was corrupted after I deleted a file with either DSFTP (libfat) or DSOrganize (gba_nds_fat).

DSFTP v2.4 also uses gba_nds_fat. libfat deletes directory entries correctly.
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Okay, so never delete a file/folder with DSOrganize or DSFTP !!!

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Is renaming save?

What about this: file_to_delete.xxx -> ?ile_to_delete.xxx

Might it be a save way to (indirectly) delete a file ???

:-)

This is a bit harsh. I delete things on my card all the time, and nothing bad ever happens.
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DragonMinded wrote:

This is a bit harsh.

Sorry, DragonMinded!

But I decided to use on board tools and wifi transfer only. With this decission I fixed the SD card - hoping never need to pull it out again.

So, one card corruption is a real desaster for me...

:-)

I have never had a problem with DSO2.7's file deletion or DSFTP.
(GBAMP+4GBcompactflash)

I did have a problem with corruption on an early CF card, but that was due to faulty reader. (something that didnt occur to me, but I advice people to be warned; Dont automaticaly trust card readers, sometimes they can seem to work but corrupt data)
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Yeah, a lot of the problems I was having with an older version of DSO were actually caused by faulty cards. However, I still tend to get entire directories, or at least a few other files, disappearing when I rename or (moreso) delete a file every now and then.
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MasterMan wrote:

touchdown wrote:

I've made two pictures of the different states, but they are changing fast, several times per second.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1078/ds1kp5.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3698/ds2rm1.jpg

I have it everytime i boot DSO after a Moonshell's soft reset (reset.mse).

I think I've done this soft reset sometimes. Do I need to make some kind of hard reset to cancel this status? Turning off and on the DS does not work, I still have this problem.

Hello DM.

I'm trying to compile the DSOrganize (I succesfull compiled libfb, libdt), and I'm currently compiling the libfatdragon.

Where can I finde the definition of ARM9_OWNS_ROM | ARM9_OWNS_CARD?

I have a compiled error.

Is the same definition as here?

#define ARM7_MAIN_RAM_PRIORITY BIT(15)
#define ARM7_OWNS_CARD BIT(11)
#define ARM7_OWNS_ROM BIT(7)
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I've just downloaded the 2.7 DSO, and it works great using the moon scsd dldi. Even the browser and IRC worked straight off, which was awesome. Nice one!
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You will need a previous version of DevkitARM to compile DSO. I can't remember which version DragonMinded uses, but I'm sure he'll enlighten us.
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You don't need a previous version of devkitARM to build DSO but you'll have a fair bit of work to do. Personally I can't recommend the "use an old version" approach at all - bugs were fixed, code was improved and certain features are only available with later toolchains.

libfatdragon is merely a slight reworking of Chishm's nds_gba_fat. This has been superceded by libfat which is now supplied along with devkitARM.

DSO would benefit greatly from being built with a recent toolchain & libraries.
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wintermute wrote:

DSO would benefit greatly from being built with a recent toolchain & libraries.

But has DragonMinded the time to rewrite/update the code for using "normal" libfat and full DLDI support (and other optimizations)?

We only can hope or self rewrite/rebuild the code and include the requested fixes/optimizations.
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afaik DM had a build which worked with R20 - I'm not sure why he's not using it.
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wintermute wrote:

afaik DM had a build which worked with R20 - I'm not sure why he's not using it.

Because he said it broke a lot of things.

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I couldn't possibly comment further :P
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The R20 build of DSO basically showed the menu and let you use the calculator. Everything else was broken. EVERYTHING.
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chishm wrote:

wandafritsch wrote:

tepples wrote:

Every time I delete a file in DSOrganize, I get a directory error...

Yes, the most times my file system was corrupted after I deleted a file with either DSFTP or DSOrganize (gba_nds_fat).

DSFTP v2.4 also uses gba_nds_fat. libfat deletes directory entries correctly.

Have a look at the fancy names, the interesting sizes
and the unbelivable dates created by GBA_NDS_FAT:

http://img.i7m.de/show/L41P0-J8K4J-8DDZX_DSO_Trash.JPG

:-(

wandafritsch wrote:

chishm wrote:

wandafritsch wrote:

tepples wrote:

Every time I delete a file in DSOrganize, I get a directory error...

Yes, the most times my file system was corrupted after I deleted a file with either DSFTP or DSOrganize (gba_nds_fat).

DSFTP v2.4 also uses gba_nds_fat. libfat deletes directory entries correctly.

Have a look at the fancy names, the interesting sizes
and the unbelivable dates created by GBA_NDS_FAT:

http://img.i7m.de/show/L41P0-J8K4J-8DDZX_DSO_Trash.JPG

:-(

Does an already fixed bug have to be posted twice? See http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=133024&highlight=#133024
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DragonMinded wrote:

Does an already fixed bug have to be posted twice? See http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=133024&highlight=#133024

Yes, see http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=133024&highlight=#133024 - and the reply for it.

Good morning DM,

wandafritsch wrote:

DragonMinded wrote:

The bug which causes that was fixed in 2.71 alpha 3. I haven't had a single file corrupt since then, and I am constantly downloading to my card while testing the browser.

Downloading what way?
(It's not the card reader causing the error.)

The 'funny' (Grrrr) things shown in this picture are the result of deleting a file!

:-(

It is an easy and short question....
What about a short informative answer?

Downloading in the web browser. Copying a file from pc on a card reader is NOT called downloading.
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DragonMinded wrote:

Downloading in the web browser.

But I was talking about DSFTP which uses old buggy gba_nds_fat.
Because only a minor of directly usable files will be found in the WWW.

Second thing was the removing of files or folders.
Is it now save with DSO, too?

?-)

DragonMinded wrote:

Downloading in the web browser.

Here I was, after I had clicked to the last page of the thread like I do often, thinking you were referring to downloading http links in DSO's web browser... Oh well, hopefully another day.
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It could mean that, or it could refer to the fact that the browser saves HTML pages to the card before rendering them. I don't see any real reason actual file downloading in the traditional sense can't be done as it's basically already implemented. It's a pain, but it works: you have to browse to the file you want, which will display a blank page, then figure out which file in /cache it is and change its extension (and ideally move it out of /cache). :-p

wandafritsch wrote:

DragonMinded wrote:

Downloading in the web browser.

But I was talking about DSFTP which uses old buggy gba_nds_fat.
Because only a minor of directly usable files will be found in the WWW.

Second thing was the removing of files or folders.
Is it now save with DSO, too?

?-)

Hm, maybe DSO needs an FTP client. ;-)
I've had less and less filesystem corruption incidents with each new version but they still do happen occasionally, mainly if I delete a file or (moreso) directory. I haven't seen just editing a file cause trouble anymore, but every now and then I'll find some weirdness with one or two of my files, and chkdisk will fix a few things and come up with one or two of DSO's browser cache files in /FOUND.000. I'm not sure whether to blame DSO (since it's always a browser cache file that gets found) or TxtWriter (since it's usually a file I frequently edit with it that gets messed up - its name gets changed, and an old copy under the old name remains), but I'm leaning toward the latter since it's old, unfinished, and uses GBA_NDS_FAT.
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HyperHacker wrote:

Hm, maybe DSO needs an FTP client.

FTP client.... a pretty good idea!

HyperHacker wrote:

I've had less and less filesystem corruption incidents with each new version but they still do happen occasionally, mainly if I delete a file or (moreso) directory.

So this DS-based ScanDisk might be interesting for you, too.
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=12315

:-)

It certainly is to me. :D

And just a quick question: Is there a quick way to add support for other file types to be opened with the text editor in DSO? I've been playing with changing keysets for DScent a lot and they're stored in plain text files with the ".csk" extension. I've been renaming them to another extension type that is recognized so that I can edit them, but was wondering if there is a quick way to do it without resorting to writing a whole plugin for it?
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wandafritsch wrote:

HyperHacker wrote:

Hm, maybe DSO needs an FTP client.

FTP client.... a pretty good idea!

Someone should make a DSE for it.

But really, we have a pretty decent standalone client.
Downloading would be advantages from the webbrowser for some stuff, but a full ftp might be overkill when we already have one.
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DSOrganize 2.8 GBAX is out, check the listing here
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Tch, they listed it as DSOrganiser!

There's still a minor bug in the configuration menu. Since both touching and moving to (using L/R) a text field activates it, you don't get a chance to read the description.

Startup sound is awesome. Directory listing can still take a while when you have a lot of files (~283); some sort of animation or something would help stop people thinking it's frozen.

Looks like either it or 7zip (probably the latter <_<) made a "dsorganize" directory in the root of the card, even though I put that in /data.

Looks like you've improved form elements in the web browser. :-) Not to mention favourites and that shortcut keyboard thing.

Excellent as always.

...but it froze when I poked DragonMinded.com in the favourites. O_o

[edit] File launching seems to have broken. It waited quite a while at "Initializing FAT", then printed this and froze (been waiting for ~5 minutes now):

Quote:

Initializing FAT.
Interface: DLDI
Please wait, booting your file.

Normal file.
1: 200 2400000
2: 2000000 66FB0
3: 67200 37F8000
4: 37F8000 11A54
ARM9
LD9FAT
-> 66FB0
ARM7
LD7FAT
-> 11A54
CI

This was launching Moonshell through a shortcut, which was already patched for GBAMP (which of course is what I was using), with the default boot loader set to Mighty Max. It's always worked before. I noticed it saying something like "Attempting to patch DLDI" quickly before clearing the screen too.
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HyperHacker wrote:

Tch, they listed it as DSOrganiser!

I mentioned it to GuyFawkes, who blamed it both on himself and the British way of spelling things. It's been fixed now.

It appears that since I first saw the entry, DM's page has been updated, so I'll be sure to try it out myself.

I've been unable to find a clear set of instructions for creating DSO shortcuts.

Might someone be able to assist me?

Darkflame wrote:

But really, we have a pretty decent standalone client.
...a full ftp might be overkill when we already have one.

You would be right, if there really is one.
But if you talk about pretty humble DSFTP, we surely needs 'a full ftp'.

Try to load some mp3-files at a time - DSFTP stucks after 3, 4 maybe 5 files and you have to restart the whole thing (and if you are lucky your file structure wasn't messed up).

Try to start a big dpg-file loaded via DSFTP - 10 % it will start, 90 % it will state something like 'extension unknown' (and if you are lucky your file structure wasn't messed up).

Try to delete a file or a folder via DSFTP, if you are lucky your file structure wasn't messed up.

Try to...

So that is not what I will call 'a pretty decent standalone client'!

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'messed up' means not only you have to run scandisk...
To make the SD card working properly again you have
to reformat it (expecting some data loss every time).

'messed up' means http://img.i7m.de/show/L41P0-J8K4J-8DDZX_DSO_Trash.JPG

:-(

HyperHacker wrote:

There's still a minor bug in the configuration menu. Since both touching and moving to (using L/R) a text field activates it, you don't get a chance to read the description.

Again, this is not a bug. There are NO DESCRIPTIONS for text entry fields. There's not even code in place to load them.
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wandafritsch, have you read the post at http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?p=133296&highlight=#133296 about the FTP client/server with libfat support to prevent that corruption? It took me a while to figure out how to configure it correctly, but I eventually got it working. Transfer speeds are slower than with DSFTP but it works.

dantheman wrote:

wandafritsch, have you read the post...

No, I didn't.
Many thanks for the hint! I will surely try it.

dantheman wrote:

It took me a while to figure out how to configure it correctly...

So could you please tell us what to do to get it working? Thx!

------------------
Edit:
Founded http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13629

;-)

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You just have to setup the wireless config properly. I think my issue was that I tried to use a non-standard port at first, and going back to 21 made things simpler to use as it removed one possible issue from the equation.

dantheman wrote:

You just have to setup the wireless config properly.

I did it in the meantime...
http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13629

But many thanks anyway!

:-))

wandafritsch wrote:

Darkflame wrote:

But really, we have a pretty decent standalone client.
...a full ftp might be overkill when we already have one.

You would be right, if there really is one.
But if you talk about pretty humble DSFTP, we surely needs 'a full ftp'.

Try to load some mp3-files at a time - DSFTP stucks after 3, 4 maybe 5 files and you have to restart the whole thing (and if you are lucky your file structure wasn't messed up).

Try to start a big dpg-file loaded via DSFTP - 10 % it will start, 90 % it will state something like 'extension unknown' (and if you are lucky your file structure wasn't messed up).

Try to delete a file or a folder via DSFTP, if you are lucky your file structure wasn't messed up.

Try to...

So that is not what I will call 'a pretty decent standalone client'!

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'messed up' means not only you have to run scandisk...
To make the SD card working properly again you have
to reformat it (expecting some data loss every time).

'messed up' means http://img.i7m.de/show/L41P0-J8K4J-8DDZX_DSO_Trash.JPG

:-(

Thats pretty bad.
I can only say,however, it had worked perfectly on my GBAMP every time.
(includeing deleteing stuff).

Its very slow, but apart from that I dont seem to have a problem.

I admit I never tried copying lots of stuff at once though....surely as long as the pc-side app queued the events though it wouldnt make a difference?
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I found another bug in gba_nds_fat last night (two bugs fixed since the GBAX release). The previous one was a bug where it created an lfn entry for short entries that didn't need one. The current bug was one where it returned the wrong lfn name for some file lists. This last one is significant as it fixes the issuse with two files being named exactly the same sometimes, and directories freezing when the data is not corrupt on some cards. Also, it fixes issues where suddenly you are out of memory on certain apps.
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webbrowser doesn't work on r4ds it freezes!
can you please fix that!!!!

Not trying to answer for DragonMinded or anything, but "it doesn't work" is not at all helpful in trying to debug something. If you provide more information on when exactly it freezes, and whether any buttons have any effect, it would be easier to help fix the problem.

Does this mean that there will be a new version out once the GBAX competition is complete? Or will there be something like a v2.81 release in the near future? Just curious. Thanks!
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oli321, delete your CACHE folder, restart DSO. It works fine on R4DS.
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I was really hoping that the next version of DSOrganize would allow for browsing of two devices simultaneously (well, not precisely *simultaneously*, but you know what I mean) if you have both a slot-1 and a slot-2 cart. So that's disappointing, but of course it's always nice to see a new version of a much used homebrew.

DragonMinded, to you have plans to incorporate dual device browsing or are you waiting until Chishm introduces it into libfat (which I am also hoping will be happening soon)?

...word is bondage...

Dual device browsing has been in libfat since it had directory browsing, as long as one device is supported by the internal drivers. It's gba_nds_fat (of which DSO uses a customized version) that would need to be changed.
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Yeah, I meant once a dual DLDI system is implemented in libfat.

I assumed the version of gba_nds_fat in DSOrganize is modifed by code from libfat as well as DragonMinded's own modifications, which is why I thought it might have something to do with Chishm releasing a new verison of libfat.

Anyway, I have another suggestion for DSOrganize. It would be great if the Scribble Pad could be integrated with the Calendar so that each day had its own scribble picture that you could view easily as you browse the calendar or edit directly from the calendar section. Trying to write notes using the virtual keyboard is nasty.

...word is bondage...

Is there any chance for a upload form field at the web browser?

@oli321: the web browser works fine on my r4ds
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Is there any way to get this running on Games'n'Music card i tryed the new load.bin and the nds_loader but cant get that to work lol.

patched with the v2 DLDI drivers.

Bug report regarding Internet streaming. I listen to the ORMGAS radio stream found at http://www.ormgas.com (80 kb/s one works fine) and have used it in DSO in the past. With 1.7, it would lose the buffer and have to refill it at the start of every new song, which wasn't that bad really. However, in 1.8, whenever a new song starts, it resets to what looks like a stream selection menu, which a single blue bar at the top of the touch screen, and no music plays at that point. I have to press B to exit and re-enter the stream to listen to the next song.

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Rocky5 wrote:

Is there any way to get this running on Games'n'Music card i tryed the new load.bin and the nds_loader but cant get that to work lol.

patched with the v2 DLDI drivers.

Get the newest load.bin. Patch DSO with the v1 GnM DLDI. Put it on the root of your card and name it bootme.nds.
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Chishm thanks for the new load.bin (right, you?). DSO is now my defualt homebrew... mostly cause it has to be if I want to use it at all (MMD), but at least I can play pretty much every homebrew!

I patched DSO with version 1 of the DLDI (Games n' Music), and put the load.bin in the proper spot. This does NOT fix the bootme problem. It does allow me to boot other homebrew (very well, in fact, just slowly) from within DSOrganize.

Is the bootme fix in a new version waiting for release after GBAX?
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For some reason, when playing music on DSOrganize (.mp3's, 128kbps) on my Games n' Music card, sometimes the music will cut out, skip repeatedly for a while, and then DSOrganize will lock up. This has happened quite a few times, it doesn't do this in MoonShell with the same files on the same device. I haven't had it crash anywhere else, but it does it often in music playback.
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I've been having difficulty with DSO crashing while playing audio as well. Only with mp3 and ogg encoded audio though, my mods play without any problems.

I bet it's some sort of buffer underrun or something. The Games n' Music is incredibly slow at reading from the card (as opposed to my GBAMP CF, which is very fast), and the new mp3 engine in DSO may try to read faster than the GnM's stream...then again this is all a guess. I saw a similar incident with MoonShell at my friend's house. His old Games n' Music broke (he got it replaced though) where the microSD wouldn't stay in, it was held down with tape, and while playing a video, the tape came loose and the card popped out. The video did something similar, it skipped and crashed.

Mods and any other tracker formats are relatively small, and are probably copied entirely to memory, and therefore don't cause any problems, while streaming formats (ogg, mp3, wav, etc) seem to cause problems.

The weird part is mp3's work great in MoonShell with my GnM...but ogg's sometimes crash, but that's cause the only ogg encoder I found encoded at ridiculously high bitrates.
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gbadev.org forum archive

DS homebrew announcements > DSOrganize 3.2 (Updated January 27, 2008)

#122137 - DragonMinded - Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:21 am

#122138 - FifthE1ement - Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:32 am

#122142 - Mrshlee - Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:05 am

#122150 - FifthE1ement - Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:35 am

#122151 - Optihut - Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:46 am

#122156 - TheAvenger - Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:59 pm

#122172 - alfatreze - Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:52 pm

#122176 - TheYak - Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:45 pm

#122201 - HyperHacker - Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:59 pm

#122209 - Darkflame - Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:29 pm

#122252 - tyraen - Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:12 am

#122255 - h0t1ce - Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:29 am

#122329 - Razeruk - Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:44 pm

#122351 - alfatreze - Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:16 pm

#122398 - HyperHacker - Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:30 am

#122427 - DragonMinded - Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:56 am

#122506 - Razeruk - Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:02 pm

#122562 - HyperHacker - Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:38 am

#122574 - Tets - Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:33 am

#122600 - tepples - Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:17 pm

#122611 - DragonMinded - Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:26 pm

#122631 - darkgilson - Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:48 pm

#122632 - pas - Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:53 pm

#122637 - Tets - Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:03 pm

#122638 - Darkflame - Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:05 pm

#122654 - dantheman - Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:57 pm

#122676 - felix123 - Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:05 am

#122682 - HyperHacker - Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:31 am

#122691 - SyntaxGS - Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:01 am

#122808 - Darkflame - Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:26 am

#122862 - kejtu - Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:32 am

#122866 - DragonMinded - Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:17 am

#122870 - dantheman - Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:21 am

#122871 - mntorankusu - Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:28 am

#122872 - dantheman - Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:30 am

#122875 - compacho - Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:04 am

#122877 - tepples - Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:12 am

#122878 - felix123 - Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:57 am

#122879 - dantheman - Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:20 am

#122880 - felix123 - Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:28 am

#122884 - tepples - Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:41 am

#122887 - HyperHacker - Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:23 am

#122896 - TheYak - Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:07 am

#123039 - Darkflame - Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:14 pm

#123063 - HyperHacker - Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:31 pm

#123080 - Mr. Picklesworth - Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:47 pm

#123140 - ndsdev - Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:17 pm

#123150 - Darkflame - Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:42 pm

#123153 - dantheman - Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:15 pm

#123157 - six-five-two - Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:30 pm

#123164 - awh85 - Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:34 pm

#123183 - HyperHacker - Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:58 pm

#123427 - DragonMinded - Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:10 am

#123428 - tepples - Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:35 am

#123449 - GoopyMonkey - Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:54 am

#123788 - felix123 - Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:50 am

#123903 - HyperHacker - Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:42 am

#124325 - HyperHacker - Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:43 am

#124466 - Darkflame - Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:51 am

#124469 - Dood77 - Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:04 am

#124490 - felix123 - Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:32 am

#124492 - Lick - Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:22 am

#124505 - felix123 - Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:30 pm

#124507 - Lick - Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:05 pm

#124538 - Dood77 - Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:19 pm

#124546 - tepples - Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:23 pm

#124574 - Iteo - Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:22 am

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